For example 6700HQ / 6700K undervolts were/are due to BIOS overvoltage out of the box, fixed in Prema Bios - probably even in Sagar / Clevo BIOS by now.
I was giving examples from the Asus/MSI Haswell / Broadwell CPU's, and experience going back decades with many Intel CPU's.
Early on the Haswell CPU's would undervolt much better, newer CPU runs would vary the undervolt available. Individual variances happen too.
-150mV undervolt on an Asus laptop CPU is unusual, but maybe for this CPU and BIOS it's not so far out of the ordinary.
@Chewingum is only getting a little less, perhaps he is stressing the CPU differently than you, maybe you will find long term use will require dropping your undervolt for stability.
CPU idle is the last test long term. I have had good 100% load undervolts that I had to drop back a bit to run ok at idle.
Sometimes it takes days and the right combination of ambient temps and back ground processes to trigger the BSOD. Then I drop back -5mV and test for stability again.
It helps to nail down one OC at a time, do the CPU first leaving the GPU at stock, and then do the same for the GPU leaving the CPU at stock. After you have good numbers for both, try setting the GPU at OC settings and vary the CPU settings for stability.
Some times the power available isn't enough to OC both CPU and GPU to the maximum at the same time.
With the GPU OC, try getting the highest GPU Core speed with the VRAM memory at stock, and then maximum VRAM OC with the Core speed at stock, then with the Core at max stable OC, try the VRAM and drop max OC on VRAM to keep Max Core OC. Again, not enough power at times to Max OC on both GPU Core and VRAM.
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Besides, he is living in Alaska, probably has his laptop resting on a block of ice while sitting in an IglooTime Lord likes this. -
Lol @ your Alaska comment! No one needs to undervolt there! lolhmscott likes this. -
Also i was checking the max fan speed. CPU max fan speed seems to be 3900rpm (it normally works at 2005rpm), I used SpeedFan to check it. Isn't that too slow? I saw that the MSI GE62 has the i7 6700HQ with a max fan speed of 5900rpm.
I was also trying to check the GPU max fan speed but no software can detect it. Again, weird.
This is my first Asus laptop, do you know if they release BIOS updates?
My BIOS version is currently 203. I checked the "download drivers" area at the Asus site and they only have the 202 version. How can it be?
About the GPU i tried to overclock it a bit with MSI Afterburner.
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I'll add I've had 3x Dell I7559 laptops with the i5 6300hQ and every single one did -155mV minimum. Most stable down to -170mV. Around -200-mV I'd get crashing under load.
Had a Acer Nitro with the i7 6700hq and same story. Did -155mV no problem all day long.
Have had my MSI GE62 with the i5 6300HQ for a week now and yep you guessed it. Undervolted -160mV all week and not a single crash.
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Different vendor BIOS's, different CPU models, and variance within a line can happen.
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If anyone in the UK is interested in buying the GL502 I am selling mine. Imported from the U.S for 2000 usd with global warranty. I got it only to do a review, wanna move on the next one.
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Hello,
Im planning to buy the GL502 VY at best buy , i read the hole thread but have some doubts,
does someone knows which kind of display comes with the model gl502 VY (980m/8gb) sold at best buy?
and which (256 gb ) ssd, sandisk? definetly not the samsung 950 nvm right?
and for what i understood the GL502 VY can expand its ram to 32 gb while the GL502 VT only to 24 gb.. is that correct?
The last question is , if i buy the ssd samsung 950 , set it as primary and pass windows there, will i lose the warranty?
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I was starting wondering myself if i should wait for the new laptops with the GTX 1050/60m (which should be cheaper than the 70/80) or just keep the gtx970m and hope it will last for long enough (let's say 6 years or more). I don't mind to play everything at ultra settings 1080p 60fps, i can also stick on 30fps or even 900p if a (future) game has some really high minimum requirements. But this 3gb of vram is starting to scare me a lot.
Also i was looking at the new Lenovo IdeaPad Y900 which has a better gtx980m with 4gb ddr5, better cooling system and better speakers, but it has yet to be released and it will costs 1.900€ (in Europe). Fact is that the Asus gl502vt should also costs 1649€ but i found it at a good price, 1.380€, which let me think that i can do the same when the Lenovo comes out (find it at 1.400 - 1.500€).
I was trying also to build a desktop pc and see if it could be better for both performance and cost. This is the config:
1) Intel i7 6700 - 313,02€
2) Msi B85-G43 GAMING ATX 1150 Motherboard - 98,52€
3) MSI GTX 960 GAMING 4G NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4GB - 204,58€
4) Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2133C13R Vengeance LPX 16 GB, 2x8 GB DDR4, 2133 MHz, CL13 XMP 2.0 - 72,68€
5) Asus VX239H Monitor 23'', FHD (1920x1080), IPS, Frameless, Flicker Free, Low Blue Light - 156,07€
6) Cooler Master rc-942-kkn1 Case HAF X - USB3.0 SATA Dock - Gaming - 185,54€
7) Seagate Desktop ST2000DM001, 6 Gbit/s, 2 TB, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache, SATA III - 64,98€ (it's the cheaper one)
8) Samsung 750 EVO SSD, 250GB - 69,99€
That's all, for just 1.165€. I have also to add an optical drive but perhaps i forgot something else. Now i know the gtx 960 is not the top quality gpu but should be as good as the gtx 970m, if not a little bit better.
So, since i am really an insecure person, which of these choices should be more future proof?
1) The Asus gl502vt with the gtx970m 3gb ddr5
2) Waiting for a brand new laptop with gtx980m or new gpu at 1.400/.1500€ (if i can find it)
3) Build the desktop with that config and spare those 215,00€.
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I don't really need it to be a laptop since i already have another laptop, even if it's crap and has an old gt540m and just a 1376x678 resolution which is like 7 years old. Since i am going to university i would gladly prefer a new one, but i also see that this is a bad moment to purchase a laptop and also that desktop is a little bit cheaper and future proof.Last edited: Jul 18, 2016 -
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Also a bit of advice regarding your build, should you decide to get it: I'm not sure I can recommend you to buy a gtx 960 now that the new graphics card generation is here. For the same money (or a little bit more), you are able to get one of the new cards, that will massively outperform the 960. I'm mostly talking about the RX 480 and the soon-to-be-out GTX 1060. Also, consider getting the K version of the i7, as you might want to have more options with your CPU later on (overclocking, voltage control etc) and you're going to be asking yourself: why didn't I spend a bit more for the K version (speaking from my own experience, like 5 years ago).Chewingum likes this. -
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If you were to build a desktop system equal to the GL502VT, you'd pick an i5 6600k, an overclocked GTX 960 (or 1060 for a little extra power for the same money) and 16 GB RAM. If you add that up, it should be significantly cheaper than the laptop.
Also, I just noticed the case you listed retails for like 180€. That's a ridiculous amount of money to spend for a case. Have you considered other ones as well? I can recommend the Fractal Design Define R5 (110-120€).Last edited: Jul 18, 2016Chewingum likes this. -
I found out that personally the War Room setting in the Audio Wizard is far better than the others. When i was watching a movie on Multimedia Setting i could barely listen the actors voice or any background sound. Now i can. Same for games.
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New ROG Ranger backpack from Asus.
I had the Asus ROG Nomad backpack, and it was great.
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This is my first gaming laptop and I am loving it so far. I got rid of the asus windows image and installed a fresh copy of windows by using windows media creation tool. Temps and everything seem good but there is thing that I noticed. Whenever the laptop runs on battery, there is a huge fps drop in games. I already have everything set to high performance in nvidia panel and to performance under power settings. In this normal for gaming laptops? I benchmarked rise of tomb raider with and without the ac adapter and noticed that when its plugged in i get around 57fps on high-ultra settings and 22fps on battery. Is this normal or something is wrong with the laptop?
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Also what do you mean with "getting rid of the asus windows image?" Do you mean the first Republic of Gamers logo when loading? 'Cause i am also trying to figure out how to replace it with the original Windows 10 logo but still didn't find a way.
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I tried to play without the AC and i can confirm that the GPU throttles from 2500mhz to 1600mhz. I played The Witcher 3 on very high/ultra and got from 12 to 25fps. I changed the settings in "Low/medium" and got from 22 to 30fps. Tried also Fallout 4 on ultra and it runs from 7 to 17fps while inside buildings it is stable at 30fps. Tried an older game like Mortal Kombat X and it runs stable at 30fps but the memory clock got capped to 800mhz this time (i don't know why). In like 30 minutes of gaming my battery went down to 40% (but everything was set on high performance and max brightness).
I have found a good explanation here:
http://superuser.com/questions/8553...-power-even-with-the-power-plan-set-to-high-p
Seems like battery doesn't have enough power to supply, that's why no one plays without AC anyway. You can also try to force the clock through nVidia Inspector but i wouldn't do that just to avoid burning something.
Also on notebook check review it says: Running on battery power will throttle both CPU and GPU power.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VT-DS74-Notebook-Review.167302.0.html
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Check the GeForce Experience app. Go to Preferences and then BatteryBoost. Disable it or set it on 60fps and see if something changes.Last edited: Jul 23, 2016breakwaterr and hmscott like this. -
About your battery question, it's perfectly normal that you get less performance while not plugged in to the AC. Even if you set everything to max performance in battery saver options in control panel, you're still going to get about 60% GPU power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe every gaming laptop does this. At least every one I've owned so far. Should be nothing to worry about.Time Lord, breakwaterr and hmscott like this. -
Hello guys,
I'm from France and at the moment, there's a store that offers two versions of the GL502 (ours is call G502 VT or VY) for the same price and I'm not sure which one to get:
http://www.fnac.com/PC-Portable-Asu...14/w-4?Origin=affilinet484633&affmt=2&affmn=1 which has 16Gb of RAM, a 512GB SSD but a GTX 970M with 3GB of dedicated RAM.
OR
http://www.fnac.com/PC-Portable-Asus-ROG-G502VY-FY064T-15-6/a9518015/w-4 which has 8GB of RAM, A 128GB SDD + a 72000T/M 1TB HD and a GTM 980X with 4GB of DDR5 dedicated RAM.
I like the idea of having a bigger SSD to run my games, OS and softwares, although I'm happy to have an HD for storage, knowing I have a 3TB WD external drive already. I exclusively play WoW, Hearthstones and Overwatch.
I need a little help here understanding what's best and if I can upgrade storage or RAM whichever laptop I choose.
Thanks,
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EDIT : I see the http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-G501VW-FY081T-Notebook-Review.163403.0.html is sold in France for 1560€ and has a Thunderbolt 3 port which facilitate a future upgrade using a an External Graphic Card.
Do you guys think it could be a better option?
I do like the design of the build better, and for the games I play, the GTX 960M seems sufficient. This laptop seems to be more future proof considering the Type C USB 3 port that's compatible with Thunderbolt 3 hardware.Last edited: Jul 23, 2016 -
+ GTX980m will last you longer enough and can also handle 4K (on external monitors)
+ GTX980m is 30-35% better than the GTX970m.
+ 1499€ is a good price for the hardware. You won't find anything better with that GPU at the moment.
+ You can upgrade the SSD, don't worry about the 128gb.
+ You can upgrade the RAM (up to 32gb). Those 8gb are probably soldered but there's another free slot. Plus RAM is cheap.
It should have G-Sync but you should check it to be sure. Also it doesn't say if the monitor is IPS.
The G501VW instead is a good laptop but the GTX 960m really sucks (you will play current games at 30fps on mixed medium-high settings). If you're going to play only those 3 games then you're fine, but you can't know what you would like to play in the future and I don't think the Thunderbolt 3 will get much supported and if it won't get supported then your laptop will be useless in the next three years or so (depending on what do you play). Also keep in mind that external gpus will cost so much that you probably will prefer to change your laptop again, since you can't change the CPU anyway and the HQ version is not overclockable.
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I do think we are getting close in both battery tech and gpu efficiency, that this might be happening in the coming years. Even as of this current time, total power provided on battery vs 3 or 5 years ago is huge difference. I'm not saying % of card being used, but actual performance.
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I noticed two problems also.
Firstly, when I try to use hdmi out to a tv or monitor, the games kind of stutter or shifts every now and then. I notice this alot while playing fifa 16. The game runs 60fps all the time but there is a shift while gaming after few seconds. this only happens on the monitor or the tv but not on the actual laptops display. Any way to fix this problem?
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Thank you so much for your advice. Unfortunately the flash sale on the G502VY I mentioned must have been an error because it is now listed as unavailable when the special sale was supposed to last for a full 7 days. It's only offered by a third party selling it for 1810€ (which is out of my budget)
I suppose I'll stick to this one http://www.fnac.com/PC-Portable-Asus-ROG-G502VT-FY083T-15-6/a9518014/w-4. The price is still decent I think.
The G502VT and the G502VY also have a full HD 300nits LED panel, but I finally found one spec sheet for the G502VY-FY064T that says it has a LED TN display. The spec sheet is the same screenwise for the G502VT-FY083T. It's quite disappointing.
I also haven't found any mention of G-Sync anywhere.
How much is the G502VT customizable? In terms of RAM and Storage? This model comes with 16GB of RAM (which sounds okay, no?) and 512GB of SSD. Do I still get a slot to add a 1TB HDD for example? (So that I don't have to transport my external drive all the time.) Also, is this computer worth it without the IPS display?
It's a bit confusing between all the different config.
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G502VY: 980M card, no ram soldered, usually comes with 16 GB (it's enough for most) and up to 32 GB total, has G-Sync but no Optimus, has IPS panel
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I tried to overclock the gtx 970m but can only go up to 135MHz on the Core Clock and 400Mhz on the Memory Clock using MSI Afterburner. It gives me 6-7 frames more while gaming and adds 1-2 degrees to the GPU temp. Did you find a way to overclock the GPU further?
What did i see is the fact that often when I boot it while plugged the battery goes down to 98%, 97%, 96% and so over until it reaches the limit (which should be 95%) and charges again to 100%.Last edited: Jul 24, 2016Time Lord likes this. -
Thanks to @fw85 and @Time Lord, I'll be going to the store tomorrow to see if I can buy the G502VT and I'll keep you guys posted when I have it at home and do the unboxing. If all goes well.
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As i said before if you have to leave the laptop for 7-8 hours you can just shut it down and boot it again since it takes just 10 seconds, if you leave for 1 hour or 2 then you can just put it on sleep mode but the battery shouldn't drain so much.
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HWIFO64 , shows every info of your machine or you can check box to open the program with sensors only for temp readingshmscott likes this. -
If you have the GL502VT you probably have the diagonal screen tearing ( a diagonal line on the screen that shows up on some conditions, like 60fps or more). It's an issue related to Optimus, so the VY version shouldn't have it. The diagonal screen tearing affects not only games but also programs (AutoCAD, Premiere etc..) and videos in the web (chrome, firefox, steam etc...).
Here's the topic on Nvidia Forum: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...sues-on-gtx-860m-870m-960m-965m-970m-980m-/1/
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I bought the laptop from bestbuy yesterday and I ordered an IPS panel, Samsung Evo 256 gig and 8 gig DDR4 RAM. I have computed the cost and it will just cost me 1350 dollars in total for a 256 gig DDR IPS panel 16 gig RAM notebook.
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Hey Guys,
Picking-up my G502VT from the store today, I'll be reporting on the unboxing later.
Pretty much, what do I need to do to have a clean install? What software should I keep, what should I ditch and then should I do a clean windows 10 install?
I'll let you know what screen I get. I don't plan on going into the components just yet, but I want to run a proper config.
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I have a USB key with Windows 10 ISO on it, but I can't seem to get the bios to boot from it.
Can you guys help?
[edit] I seem to have managed to boot and Windows is installing now. Where should I go to tell you guys my exact specs? I really think I have an IPS display.
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Do you know if opening the bottom of the laptop invalidate the warranty? 'Cause i don't see any "Do not open" sticker down there. Also how do you clean the laptop fans usually?
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Display is crisp and has no flickering, boot time is under 10 sec, it runs quiet and cool. The keyboard and trackpad are good.
I love this laptop!
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update: I manage to install samsung evo 850 250 gig SSD and additional 8 gig of hyperX DDR4 ram.
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Hey,
I just bought GL502VT last week and had some trouble with high temperatures. When i got the laptop i updated graphics drivers and got rid of some bloatware. I tested some games (witcher 3, dying light) and noticed that the laptop was really silent and ran really hot. Running furmark and prime95 at the same time got both the CPU and GPU to thermal throttle (GPU seems to throttle at 85 °C and CPU 93 °C). While gaming temps were 85 - 93 °C and both the CPU and GPU were thermal throttling.
I tried undervolting (-140 mV) and i even changed the thermal paste of the CPU and GPU. Doing this i got the temps down to the 85 - 86 °C (gpu and CPU, while gaming). Running Furmark and prime95 still got both the GPU and CPU thermal throttling. This was done with bios version 202 and the latest nvidia drivers.
Then i updated to bios version 300 and installed the 970m drivers provided by asus (support site, downloads). This seemed to fix my problem. It seems that the cooling fans did't run at full speed at all with bios 202 and newest nvidia drivers. I'm not sure if it's the bios or the drivers but now the fans get really loud (well not that loud actually) when gpu temps are closing to 80 °C. When running furmark and prime95 temps are a lot better (CPU: ~ 85 °C, GPU: 80 °C) and there is no thermal throttling. Gaming temps are now 70 - 80 °C. I have the GPU overclocked (gpu +135 Mhz, mem +200 Mhz) and CPU undervolted -140 mV. Overclock on the GPU seems to have zero effect on temperatures. I think even without undervolting temps would now be ok. Changing the thermal paste had little to no effect. I'm not using a cooling pad.
Someone was asking what kind of temperatures are normal for this kind of pc. I would say that under full stress temperatures might get close to thermal throttling and that is completely normal (for example GPU: 79 - 82 °C, CPU: 84 - 87).
I registered on the forum to write this and i hope it helps someone. Sorry for spelling errors etc. I really like the laptop (now that i think i got the temperature problem solved) and for me the 970m is more than enough. I have noticed no issues with optimus and the battery life of this thing is great.breakwaterr, Chewingum and fw85 like this. -
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I didn't know there was a 300 bios version out there. I am still on 203. Thanks for sharing your experience @Gepxa
EDIT: Where did you find the update?
EDIT2: Found it now on Driver utilities page in the Asus website. Guess that Asus Live Update is pretty useless then.
EDIT3: Undervolting at -116 and using a cooling pad brings CPU temps between 67 and 78°C (rarely 80 and for just few seconds). GPU temps are still the same, between 70 and 80°C. No throttle at all. Imho it's a very good bios update, i was really hoping for it. I also noticed that now the CPU fan is much louder and runs at max speed (4600 rpm) while before was running at max 3900rpm.Last edited: Jul 30, 2016
Asus ROG Strix GL502VT
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