Asus Scar II - GL704GW, i7 8750H, RTX2070, 144hz

I have a a strange noise, when it getting faster. Like it vibrate or so. Also my Temps going to high 90s and 100 Degree, sadly I cannot undervolt on -0,040 V is the Limit, lower is just freezing/crashing :X

Should I add a Power Limit?

 

Dastano I have the sam problem as you, -0,100 gives me almost immediate blue screen, -0,070 can be stable in stress tests, but games give blue screens, and I was almost sure that I can go with -0,050 and have it stable, tried in Apex Legends, Division 2, Witcher 3... but then I ran Dying Light... and blue sreen I stopped playing with undervolting, bad unit I would say....

I also applied liquid metal and both GPU and CPU, and used Kryonaut on rest of the parts... I can't say that I am happy with the results, stressing separately CPU and GPU with "stress" applications gives acceptable results, but gaming.. it is another story... Apex Legends, Division 2, 86 Celsius for both GPU and CPU, and my assumption is that is because of GPU and connected heatpipes, before Liquid metal it was 86C GPU and up to 97 on CPU. I have to outline I am running on Balanced mode in Armoury Crate in 95% cases, sometimes I am switching to Silent, but Turbo is too loud for me

I still wodner how people reach less than 80 with liquid metal on gl704gw I have been wondering.. maybe the gap between gpu die and radiator is too big, and liquid metal is not filling the space correctly?

Next time I will try to measure this somehow using some cheap thermopaste

and if you wonder, my liquid metal below

sorry it is as an link, tried to insert image, but does not work -.-

https://ibb.co/FqQCt2m

 

Well most reach 80-85 Degree without any repasting ****. So I guess I just lost. I opened mine and damn there are tons of dirty finger Prints in, also I have this clackering sound. So I asume mine got not propperly asambled. So I maybe try RMA it from Asus, should work I asume?

 

80-85C without repasting - no way maybe on Silent Mode
I would not believe this, each test I saw and read online showed the same results as mine (without repasting), up to >95C before temp throttling and actived turbo boost, then stabilized around 90C on balanced mode. I am talking about CPU, in terms of GPU, I did not notice any difference after applying liquid metal... it just warming a bit slower, but still it hits 86C after a while...

 

actually on turbo mode i have 80- 88 on cpu and 78-82 on gpu on metro exodus (rtx ultra and ultra settings). Some other games are even cooler (dirt 2 75 gpu and 80 cpu) but honestly i play most of the time in silent mode with cpu locked a 3ghz (2070 is pretty oversized for 1080p 60 fps gaming and even with the silent mode underclock is powerfull enough) and i have temps beetween 70 and 80 degrees, depends by game. For example monster energy supercross 2 play 1080p maxed out in silent mode ad 74 degrees with those tricks. In dirt 2.0 with the same trick i used to have 69 to 74 degrees both cpu and gpu

I have stock paste+ -0.70mv undervolt on cpu and -0.40mv on Igpu, stock rtx 2070.

It's totally useless let the cpu boost up to 3.9ghz, because games are made for lower end cpu's, only gpu push the game up to the real framerate. Cpu power come in only when you have to reach 144fps gameplay, but if the tharget is 60' fps 2.6-3ghz is perfect and pc runs quiet and cool.

I suggest silent mode for games not very demanding or well optimized on settings (ultra is often useless), and balanced+ 3ghz lock for heavy games such as metro exodus. I player metro exo in turbo+3ghz at 72 to 76 degrees, both cpu and gpu, is a miracle for a stock pasted laptop.

Probably my unit is lucky in terms of pasting, but i think that with kyonaut or noctua nth2 i can be even lower in temps, but obviuosly is not my priority, i will do when warranty ends.

The only question is wich increase of temps i will have upgrading ram to dual channel...

 

How did you lock your cpu on 3GHz? or you just set limit for 60 FPS?
You temps will definitely go up after adding memory, I felt this (in a good (fps up) and bad way (temps) ), eg in Apex I was reaching max 120 FPS on single channel, and now it is sometime over 200 FPS , before dual channel I have not seen 90C on CPU....
and as mentioned earlier.... for GPU, it looks like temps are locked for me stock paste, kryonaut, liquid metal... always 86 on balanced, on turbo it is like yours, 82-83... the only problem is I did not check cooler RPM before and after repasting... maybe I see no difference in temps, but the rpms are lower...

another example, on balanced mode, with 60 fps lock in division 2 I had less than 80C

 

both ways, i set 3ghz on throtthlestop on multipliers but i think that i will go down to 2.6 in summer because i already tested and there's no fps drops, o if there is is very minimal), and then i lock games to 60 fps on settings or with riva tuner statistics if game has no option to lock framerate.

I will buy the 2 slot of ram in a month probably, then we know if even at 3ghz temperatures goes up or stays pretty low...

 

iArtur, I posted some info on my liquid metal application a few weeks back. I also noticed relatively little difference in GPU temps.

Initially, with poor GPU-heatsink contact (as a result of 1mm thick pads) I did see the GPU spike to 91c very quickly - I believe this is the throttle value for the GPU. After fixing this issue, I see typically around the 80c mark in games, and using AIDA64 with combined CPU&GPU stressing.

This is a result of the shared heatsink with the CPU. With stock paste, the GPU managed fine, but the CPU throttled back, resulting in less Watts going to the heatsink. With both GPU & CPU on liquid metal, the GPU has similar temperatures, but the CPU is now sending more watts into the heatsink.

In Apex, balanced mode = 87 max CPU, 84 max GPU; typically around 80ish CPU 80ish GPU
In Apex, turbo mode = 83 max CPU, 80 max GPU; typically around 70-77c on both.

I find balanced mode's reduced fan speed causes around 5c higher thermals vs turbo. I play with a headset, so usually just leave this as turbo. That said, no throttling is present in balanced, and I do occasionally use that without any issue.

One thing I have found to have a BIG influence on temps is also the speedsshift EPP setting in throttlestop. This influences how aggressively the CPU multiplier ramps up. With this set to 0/1, the CPU and GPU (as a result of shared heatsink) see increased temps, as the CPU pretty much locks to 3.9GHz. With this set to 128, temps are decreased as the CPU will clock down often in games like Apex, which is primarily GPU bound; this results in better thermals. I have found setting this to around 64 is a nice middle ground for CPU performance and thermals; but do not have quantitative results to back this up. Try it yourself and let me know how it goes.

Also check windows advanced power management settings for Minimum Processor State. Armory always selects the high performance plan in balanced or turbo mode, and windows default for this is a minimum of 100% in plugged-in mode. I am pretty sure throttlestop over-rides this, but worth knocking it down to 5% for peace of mind.

 

thanks Spudstone for your contribution into the topic.

I changed nothing in ThrottleStop, just ran it and as I see I have EPP check turn off, but the number shows 128 on the right.
In terms of windows mode, yes I know it, I have 100%/100% for minimum and maximum, did you change it?
Balanced mode, in Apex Legends, CPU is between 3100 MHz and 3400 MHz in my case, and CPU consumes 35W.

Did you undervolt both GPU and CPU?


Update:

I did small tests with Aida 64, Turbo profile in Armoury

Stressing only CPU, memory, etc:

CPU Power: 70 W
CPU Clock 3,7-3,8 GHz,
Temp: 78 C
GPU stays cool

Stressing only GPU (stock clocks):
GPU Clock: ~1700 MHz
GPU Temp: 83 C
CPU Temp: ~85 C !!!!!!

Hate these connected heatpipes....

 

@ALL
Please can you check this issue? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0h-rtx2070-144hz.827321/page-10#post-10893755
Should be present also on GL704GW with AU Optronics AUO409D (B173HAN04.0)

 

Ehy, i created a very simple afterbuner profile for rtx 2070 if you are interested... i've used to do this thing in my old 703vm, here not so much because temps are pretty good. But i want to experiments the margin of tuning and... basically we can lock 2070 to 1440mhz @700mv (actually in my case even 1480-1500, but i want to have a small margin) with a flat curve on profile frequencies.

Doing this basically let the card loose about 5 to 10 fps on games but temperatures are ICE cold, 60° degrees on f1 2018 (60fps) with this profile and cpu locked to 2.6ghz, something astonishing for a lap.

Heaven benchmark goes from 98fps of stock 2070 to 93-94, so not so much.

If guy's you want to test it too, here i uploaded the screenshot of curve profile, and test scan (90% secure, as stock).

 

Another curious thing... on asus website, on drivers page, there's a new keyboard lightning firmware (19/04 uploaded)... i already do it but i can't find any changes...

 

Are there any cooling difference between 15" and 17" models?

 

There are some differences in the cooling setup but none that change the end result drastically, as per @pdagal's review at 12:36:

 

actually there are many differencies not reported in the review of lisa... gl704gw have a totally different amount of throttling curve, in my test it does not throttle NEVER, instead the gl504 throttle much often to 3.4-3,5 ghz to retain good temps

 

Both models thermal throttled for us in AAA games at Ultra 1080p, as shown in some of the screen shots of HWINFO64.

 

Anyway...nice review Lisa!!! Actually seem's that can be pretty variability in terms of temperatures beetween those 704-504, because we had 2 704gw, on my unit throttling is pretty non-existent, on my friend there's a bit of throttling. However sketchily seems that 504gw have a more restricted throttling curve respect to 704, probably because of different pipes design and thermal capacity of it.

On my tests throttling begin at about 92° degrees, but for example my 704 with -70mv of undervolt barely reach 90 degrees, maybe cause of single channel ram. When i will upgrade to dual channel i will do more tests, but with some trick temps in games are just desktop like (rtx 2070 at 1440mhz @770mv with flat curve on afterbuner and cpu at 2.6-2.8ghz locked with throttlestope and -70mv), 60-65° degrees at 60fps gaming. Useless to unluck maximum power and let laptop to run hot when we can run with the right amount of power at 20° degrees cooler. But this can be valid for EVERY laptop, and i think that a video about it should be a good way to learn people about.

 

Dual channel raises both performance and temps. That's likely the difference.

 

Have you compared the wifi with other notebooks?
My internet is 100MB. And I'm 10 meters from the router. But when I do speed tests with the asus it never reaches 40MB, and when I testo my old notebook (acer helios 300) easily hits 91MB. I tested them in the same position.

 

You are connected to 5 or 2.4ghz?

I have fiber 200mb, my modem is to the opposite of the house (much more than 20 meters) and i have full output from wireless...so you have a problem with configuration or your specific unit have a faulty wifi card (i doubt)

 

In 2.4 GHz
What Brand and model your router?

 

LOL maximum speed of 2.4ghz is 38mbit per second, so the value that you have is legit ahahhaha. As i think you connect the laptop to the wrong wireless, you have to use 5ghz that can be as high as your connection do (as i think you use in your other laptop)

 

As for VGA. You are using the last one provided by the site asus 417.88 (April 30). Or the last of the nvidia site?

 

nvidia site, 430

 

new bios out for 704gw, v305

 

Where is the new bios v305 for 704gw?

 

you can find it on device manager updating "firmware" driver (aka windows update update it for you)

 

BIOS 305, something has changed for sure on fan curves:

-for all profile modes= fans ramp up more slowly with no drastic increases. Example, if you set turbo mode fans does not ramp up suddently as before, they stay calm and then increase fast to a higher level (before they ramp up pretty instantaneously to a higher level).

-manual mode= now this mode really works, you set 100% and fans go to 100% (6800rpm for cpu, 6000 gpu), you set 0% and pc go FANLESS (incredible), but i not reccomand this because temps will go really high even for browsing (such as 80° degress just browsing the web). This is a really great thing.

In other aspects scores are the same, and i don't find any major changes.

 

understaunt i think its official bios from asus

 

I'm getting the following HWiNFO64 performance limit reasons on my new laptop when plugged in: IA: Electrical Design POint/Other, IA: Turbo Attenuation, GT: Max VR Voltage ICC Max PL4, GT: Fuses Limit and RING: Max VR Volage, ICCMAX, PL4. Is this normal? My clock speed is still just under 4gh for the CPU

 

maximum turbo clock of i7 8750h is 3.9ghz on 6 cores, so you are just perfect. Useless look at those things, probably is just a limit used by asus to run pc at the right temps or a right coded implement of dynamic framework...

 

Thank you. Would you mind looking up those sensors are HWinfo for you unit just to be sure?

The last two questions I have are:

1. under load, I'm sometimes getting a 9-10 degree c temp difference between the hottest and coolest cores. I heard this could be a thermal paste or die defect...is this something I should return the laptop for?

2. Also, my cinebench 15 single core score is 169, whereas the laptop was getting 174 in some of the reviews. Multicore I'm seeing 1219 when someone reported 1279 Is this difference significant?

Thanks! (I have the 15 inch model)

 

all of this is perfectly normal, there's just nothing to check, your laptop is fine

 

n/m, it's officialy out

 

Wooo, today there's a slightly bigger update for armoury crate that changed some voices and sections... someone know what do the new "game effect" on aura lightning section? on my unit this does nothing

 

Has anyone ever done undervolt? If so, what is the configuration? (throttleStop)

 

WOOOOO, another bios is out, v306, i've already updated by device manager on firmware section.

Don't know the changelog...

 

Yes I have after seeing the awful thermals everyone else is also seeing but not wanting to repaste as not sure how it would effect warranty status here in the UK. I left all the ThrottleStop values at default except for a Performance profile at -51.8 Offset Voltage in FIVR control on the CPU and CPU cache, and -49.8 on the iGPU.

These values gave me zero errors with multiple TS Bench runs at 1024M. It's a very shallow undervault from what I have read of other owners experiences who can get their cards lower with no errors.

Not convinced it's making a huge difference in terms of thermals as under the TS Bench tests the CPU still hits PROCHOT threshold. Though the temp values look ok in monitoring being in the high 40s for idling, high 50s for browsing, and 70s for a less intense game like League of Legends.

 

So just want to check have hit the basic out-of-the-box optimisation steps for a casual gamer happy with the default GeForce Experience settings for games and anything at or above 60 FPS with healthy thermals?

- Make sure BIOS is flashed to latest version.
- Updated to latest drivers.
- Disabled McAfee in favour of Windows Defender.
- Not done clean build but uninstalled everything preinstalled except Armoury Crate, Game Visual (no uninstall entry), MyAsus, Realtek Audio Console, NVidia CP & GeForce Experience.
- Make sure Turbo is set in Armoury Crate for the Default Profile on AC.
- Undervaulted CPU as deep as I could with no errors in ThrottleStop bench test 1024M.
- Have GPU Tweak II set to manual with the GPU Clock at 1440 with a Temp Target of 77 degrees.
- Panel Overdrive On in Armoury Crate (how does this effect thermals?)
- Prob not necessary but have run an optimiser tool like Razor Cortex, System Mechanic, Ashampoo, etc to set Windows settings for game performance.

 

What's the best way to update? I flashed to 305 by downloading to a USB stick and installing manually in the BIOS. Should I try updating firmware in the Windows Device Manager this time? Will Windows Update automatically install it at some point for me?

 

Can you tell me if it's the same bios for the GL504GW (15 '')?

 

should be the same... try to search for update on windows device manager on firmare section, if there's avaible he weill download automatically and next he ask to you to reboot the laptop and will flash the bios

 

Is anyone undervaulting/overclocking the GPU, especially if you have yet to do a repaste? I've done the CPU undervault with TS but can only do a very shallow undervault of the CPU and CPU cache at - 51.8 before TS Bench gives me an error.

It's improved thermals hugely and seeing better FPS. Going to try undervaulting/overclocking the GPU now. Seen on the ROG forums people there generally clocking the card to 1900 at .900 v for max performance with best thermals on the stock paste. What are peoples experiences here?

 

i just do 2 test with gpu oc... 1 test a simple oc with slider in afterbuner, perfectly stable with 200+ mhz on the core (even memory can be oced but it's useless for now). 2 test i made with curve, in a undervolting way, 1440mhz a 700mv, for cooling purpose on summer, with this profile this baby lose about 4 to 8 fps but tempes are much much lower. Anyway i think that gpu can be stable at about 850mv at 1850mhz, not more.

This baby is a powerfull beast...

 

Yup that lines up with my testing. I spent the night running different undervault/overclock configurations through Fire Strike. The most aggressive curve being slightly over that hitting just over 1870mhz at 868 mv with the fan profile set to Turbo and my CPU undervault running, got up to 17269 score on Fire Strike but am not convinced it was stable. Didn't BSOD but the Fire Strike demo kept randomly stopping itself occasionally saying the user had cancelled which I hadn't.

Have now left it at the default GPU Tweak II curve before 912 mv and 1900 mhz after which tested ok in Fire Strike repeatedly and in about an hour of regular play testing. Thermals didn't average above 67 / 70 on the CPU / GPU in any of the tested configurations. Going to try running that CPU undervault & GPU undervault curve today with a Balanced fan profile to take some load off the fans for long term every day use and see what difference it makes FPS and thermals wise.

 

Yeah this worked on my GL704GW. Much nicer method than downloading it manually and applying directly via the BIOS from a USB stick. The Asus support site only has up to version 305 anyway so the only way to get 306 is to update via the Windows device manager firmware update afaik.

 

Ok so this is the best Fire Strike Score have been able to get. Throttlestop undervault on the CPU and CPU Cache at -51.8 mv. GPU Tweak II used to undervault/overclock the GPU with flat line following 1900 Mhz @ .912 V and the curve smoothed out on the points before those, had a BSOD when .868 V was at roughly 1850 so had to lower it to 1810 and smooth out the preceeding points accordingly. OSD in the Demo shows Average FPS 45, Av CPU Temp 65 C, and Av GPU Temp 68 C. Fan Boost set to Turbo. Stock paste. Cooling Pad and raised off desk.

 

[QUOTE = "gieffe22, post: 10915270, membro: 401437"] deve ser o mesmo ... tente procurar por atualização no gerenciador de dispositivos do windows na seção firmare, se houver avail disponível, ele irá fazer o download automaticamente e em seguida ele pedirá para você reiniciar o laptop e vai piscar as biografias [/ QUOTE]
Obrigado, atualizado para a versão 302

 

I have the GL704GV model. Also suffering from the light bleed at the bottom left. It's fine long as you don't focus on it. There's nothing you can really do. If you use a dark background, you'll always see it. But if you use a background that has multi color or patterns, it won't be noticeable. Or if you use a white background (not recommended for light bleeds). White could increase the light bleed and make things worse.

Otherwise, this laptop is amazing! Just annoyed by the fact that I have to keep using Fn + << or >> to browse through my music playlist. Wish I could do without.

 

Hello..
anyone who knows why i dont have the Firmware section in device manager? i have reinstalled windows so maybe i missed something?