Grab copper and a drill, now!

Well im not reaching Forge temps, yet, so im guessing the drilling does help the cooling specially with cooler below it, but might also be the cooler, he runs a NC2000 and i run a Cryo LX, he also run copper shims (this im guessint its gona do a good bit on the gpu at least as mine is like his with not a even seat), but will see, im gona take it slowly, and do 1 mod at the time, so next one is hole/grill, probably in two weeks ill get some results out.

Btw played WOW, ultimately what this mods are aimed is into playing more safe or even to give room to pull back the clock to nvidia settings, so here the results playing wow for 4 hours.

Pre blocks ambient 20C


Post blocks ambient 22C

 

Unless I explicitly state so, I do not run my temperature tests with active cooling. It's either Xpad or inactive Zalman.

I also probably have cooler ambient temperatures compared to where you live. 18-25, thereabouts.

 

howzat dissing? u assume ghetto = bad?

this is what i get for trying to get a dam question answered..."omg he fail he should quit sell his laptop buy a mac and be a simpleton" or, "tell his parents to stop giving him internetz so he posts dumb question on forums, and let him play with his josticks on consoles"

nice temps btw abula...dun know how gfx intense wow is on the GPU, i have a strong dispassion against wow lol

 

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I'm telling the truth. You have one of the highest temperatures for the G51.

 

...SS...

and yes i do have high temps, i just ran furmark 90C stabilization @ stock clocks, maxed @ 98C b4 fans kicked into ultrahigh down to stable. 98C stable @ 585/950/1475, same as max temp. this is @ 73F ambient, on xtreme burn mode, 1080p 16xMSAA. thats y i want to do the hole mod. i just wanna know what grille to use, i dont needa hear stories about the way ima fail, whether it be slipping with the dremel, tearing my flesh and leaking blood all over my mobo or watever retarded thing you guys would think a typical SACH7002 would do.

its not just now tho forge, its awlays, omg dont do anything sach ur gonna fail, im kinda sick of it...and SS im not even responding to u and ur witty comments that only help 25% of the time. elemental, he abuses me on day-to-day basis...i think i should quit outta NBR, grow 4 moar yrz, then come back....joining this forum is one of the best and worst things ive done on the interent so far

 

When did anyone mention you epik phailing with the dremel? You were the first to suggest it.

 

Hold on, let me get my popcorn.

 

LOL don't forget the beer

 

Damn this post had me rolling. GG. +1 rep.

 

I can't drink tonight. I have classes tomorrow and I have to drive out to Fremont and pick up my CPU.

 

oh right .... CPU .... darn you ain't getting the extreme are you ?

 

So your thoughts are the NC2000 might be a better bet for the G51 than a CryoLX?

 

Its hard to say for sure without having them side by side, but the NC2000 has a history already with the G series, Clutch's Zalman NC 2000 Review w/ Pictures (ASUS G50Vt + Undervolting), and then sunny, forge also, a lot of people have it, not nearly as many have Cryo, which i bought for g71, i still like the cryo as it folds, for my traveling its nice as it fits very well into my gaming bagpack, but i didnt had a cryo probably would gone with NC2000, since it has good reports since the G50 series.

 

Yeah its a nice review the only reservations I have going with the Zalman over the Cryo are:

1. Does the G51 powerbrick have enough extra juice to run all the usb ports with the addition of the Zalman. I already have a headset, external G15 keyboard and a mouse. The Cryo has an external power supply, which if power is an issue becomes a non issue. I just don't know how to tell how close if at all the G51 is to its ceiling when it comes to running external powered items through its USB ports.

2. With all the reviews and pics its still hard to determine how well the NC2000 cooling holes line up with the G51 "BIG HOLE" mod with the Zalman's rather large area at the top with no active cooling. It looks like only about half of that area would be under the Zalman's active cooling surface. Maybe Forge can confirm how they line up. The Cryo seems to line up better with the "BIG HOLE" as its fans are placed higher but it doesn't seem to line up better with the lower intake spaces on the G51.

 

no, but it was gonna be mentioned, just liked me making the holes with the backplate still on the laptop...next step is that according to u guys

and again, asking, which mesh grille is a good one (or which would u suggest)...i dont wanna hear more epik phail stories >.> or whatever comments are related to it.

 

Well ill post some feedback on the mesh/grill in about 2 weeks, atm i have them but missing the backpart that should come in week n half or so. From Joker we know that the 80mm mesh had to be secure with screwed, but ill still give a shot to see, my guess is that the 120mm will fit better, but i haven't even work with it yet, so its all speculation, and probably a flat mesh might have better end up product.

But this is moding, half the fun is making things work, you probably should get some mesh and see how it works out for you. I have a very limited supply of stuff i can use as i don't live in the US, so my hardware/hobby places have very few usable stuff for this, but you guys have much more stuff to use and test.

 

thanks abula, looking forward to see how strong the mesh is to protect the g51 from the inside.

 

Wate wut?

Should be A-OK. At certain times, I'm running my mouse, the Zalman, a bluetooth dongle, and an external HDD, and I've had no power issues.

If you push the G51 "down" as far as it will go--the rubber feet don't bump over the Zalman's speedbump looking thing on the bottom--you'll get some airflow to the fake vent. However, the Zalman's fans are more useful to a drilled out backpanel, since the air is being blown directly onto the GPU from that position.

 

I have a G71 and I shockingly, I haven't opened it to poke around! I assume that the inside layout of the G71 is similiar, if I wanted to do the same thing to increase cooling?

 

Well the G71 is different in the inside,



ren3g7ade here moded a G71 according to his post and sig. But i havent seen pics of its mod.

 

Basically the same. One fan/heatsink shared between all of the components.

 

Thanks for the pics guys. It is indeed different, but I'll obvously be able to add some copper heatsinks.

 

No, its way different. Only thing in common is the 1 cooler design, the pipes are semi hidden, like if the Videocard is mouted backwards, also the G51 has 2 pipes, the G71 seems to have like 3 or 4. I dont think you can put as many copperblocks as you can on the G51, unless you really good deep into disassemble. But ren3g7ade did get good results regardless, and said was posting a pic the next day, but i never saw, i was really interested into how deep he went with the blocks.

 

It doesn't matter. Most 17" laptops have 2 system fans & 2 seperate heatsink assemblies, one dedicated to the GPU and one for the CPU.

The one fan/heatsink is the common limiting factor - Asus's design is just bad.

 

Is that whitish mass on "top" of the GPU aluminum or some kind of heatspreader? If it is I can think of ways to use it for better cooling.

 

Looks like aluminum heatspreaders over the memory.

The GPU heatsink looks like it's on the reverse side.

 

While usually more is better, its not always the case here, lots of other factors come into place. The G71 does in fact run cooler than G51, check Da1writer's Asus G71GX-RX05 Full Review check deep down, and you will see some really good temps, something that a stock G51 will only dream on, this is just to show you that 1 cooling design isnt bad just by it being 1, its more the hole design of the cooler paired with good fan thresholds, etc. I think the G51 fails because of this, not because its 1 cooler design.

 

No, the G51 and G71/2 fail because of the one-fan design. Simply put. The extra room might make it run cooler than the G51, but that's not really something to brag about.

Anyway, I'm wondering if putting some heatsinks on the GPU heatpipe and then somehow attaching a copper bridge from the aluminum to the heatsinks would give some benefit.

 

Looks like a heat spreader, but as I haven't even actually looked in mine yet, I'm not 100 percent sure. I wish ren3g7ade posted that pic. I'm not feeling too adventureous and I would love to see exactly where I should place the copper.

The G71 doesn't run too hot to begin with (with the GPU OC settings in my sig, I hit 89C max after 20 mins on Furmark), which is why I haven't had much motivation. I ordered enough copper from ebay to be able to fit in there somewhere. If it cools things down 4-5 degrees C, it's worth it to me

 

Those temps are not great... at all. Now that I have finally got my Powermizer to work, GPU idles at 45C and CPU idles around 27C (3.3ghz). The only time I get up to 88C is doing 20 minutes of Furmark.

 

Well i was trying to point to you the furmark runs, not idle. He runing at Nvidia stock clocks (550/950/1375) at higher res than you, and still getting 79C, thats what i meant not idle. Thats what... 9C lower than your, without any mods and OC.

 

I don't see anywhere where he ran at or higher than 1920x1200, Xtreme Burn mode, overclocked to 550/950/1375 and running 3.3ghz. Those were my 89C 20 minute max temps.

 

I can tell you that using the Asus CPU overclocking utility to get the CPU to 2.88ghz, and running the gpu overclocked to 575/950/1440 I hit 89C max temp after a 20 min run on Furmark with my G71. I would add that the max was probably somewhere between 88 and 89, since it was mostly on 88 but hit 89 periodically a few times.

EDIT: that was at 1440x900, 4x MSAA, Xtreme Burn

I do use a Zalman though, so I would suspect that the temps would be a few degrees higher without it.

 

I just ordered 3 sets of the 8x Copper blocks from the Ebay store (Budget Gadgets)... may be overkill, but I wonder if it's possible to get idle GPU in the high 30s...

 

I didnt see any temp difference in idle, most comonly i saw 1C up. But loads went down by 6C. I doubt you will see anything lower than 40s on it even undervolted.

 

Sounds about right I guess... the extra copper should increase the heat holding capacity enough that the fan running full blast is able to get rid of the heat a bit faster than the GPU can overload the heatpipe.

 

This is common for cooling systems that are mostly just heatpipes and radiators with barely any cold plate surface area. You will be seeing slower changes in temperatures because the blocks double as a heat retainer when mounted on heatpipes. If the CPU and GPU had a larger cold plate to work with, then you will see better numbers for the amount of mass and surface area that you are adding to the notebook as the heat would be dissipated best when the copper blocks near their maximum thermal load, which is generally around 2-3W TDP per block in a low to no CFM environment for the larger Thermaltake blocks and probably <=1W TDP I'm guessing for the Chinese blocks. The copper blocks won't reach their max load very well when mounted on heatpipes so the effectiveness would be only minimal.

During idle, you should technically be getting the same temps or slightly lower temps. But 1*C isn't unusual. It probably means that there is another factor that was changed when you were in the process of fitting the copper blocks onto your notebook. If the change was 2*C or higher, then I would be concerned about it.

 

Coming Thanksgiving, the cooling overhaul will take a leaps towards new heights. Progress will unfortunately be kept under KGB wraps, but the new design is sure to yield improvements over the current revision.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5498494&postcount=78

 

Is the planned mod warranty friendly or does it push the notebook to it's limit? I just received my 16 copper blocks, I think I'll use them on Wednesday when the Clevo arrives for the i7 heatpipe.

 

Just like with my M570TU, this revision of the cooling overhaul will be warranty friendly as well. But it will still push the notebook to it's limit.

 

Warranty friendly for Clevos, I would guess. They don't have those Asus stickers.

What exactly is the Clevo warranty anyway?

 

Don't ask, don't tell. That's the warranty.

 

Well I'm restoring the G51 back to it's factory state, removing the modded panel (much to Forge's delight) and then packing it for shipment tomorrow morning! Sniff! I almost feel sad about seeing it go..ok not really.

 

and my delight! =P I get Forge's panel after the switch

 

Some potential good news for G51 owners that may have broken that yellow "warranty void if broken" seal. I PM'd the Asus customer care guy about it and expressed dissatisfaction with the possibility of losing warranty over a flimsy sticker. I brought up how mine broke simply because I was using compressed air to clean the notebook and that I felt Asus should still provide warranty service for my (now sold) G51. Here's what he wrote back:

So it seems warranty will still be valid unless they determine your tampering was the cause of the hardware failure. Hopefully that's good news to some that thought they were completely out of luck with regards to warranty service. Wish I knew this before, I could have sold my G51 for more money.

 

oh that is epic. tyvm for that info Joker, + rep. or not:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to 5150Joker again.

 

A lot of users are going to be either overjoyed or pissed from this surprising bit of news, haha.

 

Me and Element won't be, but that's our dirty, dirty little secret.