Grab copper and a drill, now!

Just out of curiosity, this data might be worth knowing for some people.The power consumption of the G51VX-RX05.

Overclocked(no overvolting): GPU@ 605/1512/1030 CPU@2598Mhz
Crysis Warhead Benchmark: 95~100W Max was 102W
OCCT Power Supply Test: 135~145 Max was 146W

Stock
Crysis Warhead Benchmark: 85~87W Max was 89W
OCCT Power Supply Test: 123~124W(pretty constant) Max was 125W

That is what the power supply is consuming, there are not much losses on it,so the laptop probably consumes something like 5~10% less.
In both programs I let it run for a little bit(about 5 minutes),so the temperature would get higher and the fan would kick in stronger.

 

my CPU max was 55 and GPU max was 84 when I did furmark+ ITB (equivalent to OCCT power supply test) but my power supply uh...didn't stand up to the stress. my went haywire about 15 minutes in and random processes started having errors

 

Hey thanks for this, i am on solar power so its good to know how much this will use, looking to buy one very soon

 

Just added copper to the gf's G60VX. It's not the optimal placement I wanted but I only had a limited number of blocks:





Temps at @550/950/1375 maxed out at 84C with stock paste. Not bad. Furmark settings were xtreme burn, 8x msaa, 1366x768.

 

A quick question: Do I need to drill holes on the backplate in order for copper mod to work? I want to add copper but I don't have a drill with me right now.
Also, where do I get the copper block?

 

No drilling necessary. You can find links to where to purchase them by doing a thread search.

 

Most people got them through Ebay (that's where I'm getting mine) still waiting on them getting shipped..

 

Is it possible to find these sort of materials in a local electronics or computer shop?

 

Well you can try, however, I live in Canada and every computer/electronic store that I've been to doesn't carry copper short enough to actually fit into the machine.

 

When did you order?

Will this copper fit into my G51J?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Copper-Heat-Sin...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e57210124

 

When I lived in Sacramento a few years ago, they had them at Fry's electronics.

 

I ordered them like 2 days ago. Yeah those are the ones I order, they should fit as I've seen people buy the exact same size sinks and they fit. The other one you would want to look into is copper heat sink rhs-03 model (can't give you an ebay link right now as the search button is temporarily unavailable. Just make sure that the sinks have a height of 4 - 5mm, since any higher wouldn't fit.

 

Well im not sure they will fit, there are some that have used some very similar to this , check GamerBR copper block placement, they seem very similar to what you posted, but just make sure they fit before you buy them.

I like more the square ones as its easier to place and play with them while trying to fit as much as possible, but either should be fine. This is what i bought Copper Heat Sink For DDR DDR2 DDR3 RAM Memory RHS-03.

Hers a pic of what i received (like a month after i ordered)


This is my placement of 32 blocks.


But he G51J has an advantage over the G50VT/G51VX/G60VX, the dual copper pipes from the CPU to the fan (watch ASUS G51J-A1 Video Review around 6:15), my guess is you probably can place twice as what i could place in that slot alone (impossible to know for sure without trying), given that i did place 6 extra post the CPU, the G51J also has no metal square over the cpu probably still allowing to put full double squares till the pipe ends, on my G51 i was restricted some by this chrome metal things over the cpu/nb, and the G51j doesn't have this. My guess is that you can fit 40 blocks at least (including video card), maybe more.

Btw make sure you order some Sekisui 5760 Dbl Sided Thermal Tape 3 strips 1" X 8". I was able to set 28 blocks with 1 strip, so 3 strips is more than enough for 60 blocks if you do it carefully. And get some thinner/goop remover/citrus cleaner if you don't have wanna spend a day removing the stock tape.

 

hey Abula, very nice placement of your blocks. What kind of temps are you getting after you have those placed?

Edit: For fuyuki - I also ordered the rhs-03 along with the mc-200..once I get the blocks, I'll let you know if they fit and how many would probably fit in the machine

 

I ordered 3x of the same thing... it has been 2 weeks and nothing in the mail. Guess it'll be another 2 weeks.

 

Idle remain the same for me, i even saw a 1C increase (maybe it was a hotter day so don't take my statement that serious), but i got a drop of 6C from load under the same ambient temps.

Nice to see some G51j users getting into copperblock moding, hope to see some naked pics soon as well as some temp results.

 

I think I will order 2 packs of the copper block. 2x8=16 blocks. I think 16 would be enough.

Hydeo, how many pack did you get?

 

Well its totally up to you, in terms of how many you want to place, i placed 16 on my GPU alone and another 16 on the CPU/NB. My guess is a G51J can take at least 32, and probably can take more if the double pipe allows dual placement, probably a mix with the rectangular on the double pipe could allow this.

 

Abula, what's your temperature before and after mod?

 

This are loads pre n post blocks.

 

Right now, 3 packs of the square ones and 1 pack of the rectangle ones. This is what I'm starting off with. If there's room (which I'm sure they will be due to the double pipes) I'll get more. Oh, and yes the tape that Abula mentioned is what I got also

You left your clock settings on stock?

 

Both tests were done under the same settings, clocks n voltages (one of the pics bugged with GPUZ didnt capture the right clocks).

 

I'd recommend you to buy more. The link you posted in exactly the same one I got(but there are ones in ebay that is a bit cheaper I think). Having an G51J you can put even more than I did, I managed to place 26 on my G51VX.

 

Abula, you should be getting better temps. I put far less copper on my gf's g60vx and I maxed at 84C using overclocked settings and stock paste.

Edit: Looks like you ran it in benchmark mode. Try these settings and post a pic:

Stability testing with 8xAA, xtreme burn and 1366x768.

 

yeah, I should get more copper blocks

Did you use your notebook cooler when you were testing the temperature?

 

Regarding overclocking the CPU, it seems that what is limiting it on the g51vx-rx05(P7350) is the memory, because by overclocking it to 2.6Ghz I was getting errors even with 1.25V at the vcore.Now overclocking it to 2.55Ghz it already passed 7 hours of Prime95 testing at 1.2V and now I'm testing it at 1.15V for 1 hour, and no errors yet(less than that it's unstable), let's see if it will pass.
Also, I stopped using HWMonitor, I was getting different temperatures with Everest,SpeedFan and HWMonitor, and the temperature I was getting with it was pretty high(up to 79°C at stock voltage and overclocking). Now I downloaded CoreTemp and RealTemp,and both agree with the temperature reported by SpeedFan, which is exactly 10°C below of what HWMonitor was reporting.

 

Most use atm is HWmonitor, as its support seems much better than Speedfan n Realtemp have had with laptops. It could be the other way around... that speedfan n realtemp dont know how to read/interpret the temps on laptops, i trust much more HWmonitor than the other 2 at least on laptops. On the GPU you could compare it to GPUz and even Evga precision, which i havent seen much difference at all regarding temps. With CPU, i think HW is more accurate, but thats just my opinion.

BTW Joker runing tests as i type on my desktop, ill post pics in a bit.

 

I ordered an asus g51j(somewhat regretting it now) from gentech 4 weeks ago and its finally shipping it to me on Tuesday, and i also want to try putting copper blocks on my laptop since I well probably be overclocking it. Since this is my first time is there any guides on the site on how to put them in? Which kind of copper should i be buying, and could i get them from hardware stores?

 

Also CoreTemp. From what I understand,the way the temperature is measured on Intel CPUs is different, they calculate it by the Tj(maximum temperature supported by the CPU) and the distance to it. CoreTemp is correctly reporting the Tj temperature for P7350, which is 90°C (found it on Intel website).
Also besides being 3 programs against 1, I'm inclined more to think HWMonitor is wrong because the temperature it's reporting is just too high to be right.

 

Well if you regret it probably should talk to them maybe they can just stop the order, still seems like a great laptop for the money, unless you have the money for a sager/aw.

I guess it depends into what they have available, the problem with the G5X is it will not take blocks that are too tall, most are fine with the 5mm ones, and i havent found them on the market in the US, so i bought it from HK, takes like a month to reach though.

The G51j is relatively new, barely some have started into taking interest in copper blocks, there is not someone that has done anything yet to know even what impact it might have on it. Check some post above and see what you think would work best for you.

 

Well remember we are in different places so you might have lower ambient temps, humidity etc, also you used almost the same amount of copper as me on the gpu, the extras i have are on the cpu/nb. But i might get burn for the following, but i felt i had better temps with the stock paste, while i change it at least 6 times, some weren't doing full contact, i still never saw the same temps, probably close but not the same. I do blame some to me putting way to much, but the GPU doesn't do full contact otherwise and my temps go even higher. So im almost sure im doing some shims, i got the mats, just been lazy and wanting to do the bottom panel before i get into re-opeing everything. But i guess you still have some MX3, so you could test if you get better or worst temps.

Here are the pics,

Stability test, Extreme Burning, 1366x768, AAx0


Stability test, Extreme Burning, 1366x768, AAx8


After i took the second pic, i let it ran for 30mins the behavior was the same, it goes up to 85C then the fan pulls it down to 77C and back up to 85C never stablizing into a temp like the none AA.

Will see upon the fake vent mod, if the temps go below 80, then i might stop there, else im probably gona undervolt to keep it like that, but still have hopes into the mesh mod.

 

I'm not going to be changing the paste on the G60. My gf doesn't want me anywhere near that yellow sticker. Besides, the way the temps are on that G60, there's really no need. Have you tested the settings I gave you with an overclock applied like how I had it? 550/1375/950 (true 260m clocks). BTW the best way i found to apply mx3 was to just spread it while it's cold out of the tube and apply pressure on it using your finger (with plastic covering it). It spreads out really well and forms an even layer across the entire GPU. My G51 temps were at 81C without any copper, just the hole mod + arctic mx3.

 

Hey Abula, are those temps with just the copper blocks by themselves? or you got any other cooling running (laptop cooler, drilling out the fake grill etc)

 

Not OC or Undervolting until i do the fake vent mod. i wanna see first all the changes into lowering temp n then ill see if i undervolt keeping asus clocks or go up to nvidia clocks, all gona depend into how the moding go. But atm i only play wow n cod mw2 both play fine at the native res with asus clocks, so im not sure yet what im doing.

Copper blocks + MX3 on a cooler, no holes or moded bottom yet, still my boss didn't go to LA, probably in first week of December. But Forge manages to get 79C OC gpu without a cooler but with blocks + mx3 + copper shims + grill mesh + drilled bottom.

 

For you and any other gamers out there, this may be of interest.....

The end of Desktop Replacement Notebooks

 

Looks like a modified shuttle that can take crossfire. Nothing really earth shattering, just an extreme version of what a shuttle could be. Here's mine:




I'd still rather have a gaming laptop because I like to use them while laying around in bed or in the living room.

 

The thing with any size desktop is that it still has the setup tear down factor involved. You can take your portable tower to a LAN but you would still need to take along the monitor, various cables, UI devices, etc, and set it all up. With a 17 inch performance notebook, all you would need to do is plug it in, open the display lid and go. This is perhaps the main reason why most users and gamers are choosing a notebook over a desktop nowadays as notebooks have quickly closed the performance gap with their desktop counterparts in the past few years. Yes it's not as flexible in regards to upgrading. Yes it's not as forgiving on the wallet. But having the sole ability to centralize everything into one machine that you can take anywhere with you is worth the price for the growing majority out there.

 

I thought you were going to sleep?

 

I couldn't sleep. My mind is still flustered after today.

 

Crossfire is just icing, the main benefit is being able to fit a topline of the line GPU at all. No Shuttle can even fit 1x 5870, let alone a 5970 (actually, I don't think Shuttle's PSU would supply enough juice to do this either).

There is also using and overclocking a CPU with supported ATX PSUs... Water-cooling option as well.

Once this bad boy hits, I'm going for a 4ghz stable Quad i7 and a single 5970 to complement my G60.

 

Yep, I don't think this will be a replacement for people who move their laptops around (for Lanparties or otherwise); Rather, are for those who don't move their laptops ever, or those who already own an SFF (for a variety of reasons).

 

I agree. But I do like the idea that this new SFF case can accommodate components in the higher tiers. One may not be able to cram the best of the best into it, but it does make quite a powerful mini rig for those who cannot get a conventional tower, or just want an exceptionally decent power box.

 

It'll do 5970 Crossfire, so graphically - it is capable the absolute best.

CPU wise, it will be constrained by cooling and/or Motherboard stability and OCing support. Storage wise, it probably won't go over 3.5TB (that's 2 3.5" filled and 2 2.5" filled).

 

Yes, my emphasis was on the CPU. But you are correct that it can support the 5970 Xfire. What I am more skeptical about is how the new case will resonate with the desktop community. It's not everyday that you get to see a SFF that is capable of pocketing a lot of power for LAN's.

 

Huge interest on HardForums:


http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=102

Nearly 500 replies in less than 2 months. I am STOKED

By the way, is your Avatar from School Rumble? I know you used to use Haruhi Suzumiya...

 

I agree that this SFF is pretty awesome for what it offers. It's what a gaming version of shuttle should be. But I'm just no longer interested in desktops anymore. I think the biggest reason is because gaming advancements have slowed down to the level of the console refresh cycle so there's really no need for the massive power of a desktop GPU. If it was like the old days, then yeah I'd probably have a thin and light notebook right now and be focused on playing games on my desktop but because software advancement has come to a grinding halt thanks to consoles, it's the other way around for me. I don't see this trend reversing itself either, if anything it will continue with notebooks getting more and more powerful and desktops slimming down or being phased out.

 

Wow. Now that's attention. It looks like this little case is going to be a keeper.

My avatar is not from School Rumble. I usually change my avatar depending on how I feel, but after I sold my notebook, I have been too busy and lazy to go into my avatar folder on my HDD backup.

SHnY is probably the only post-cel anime I have watched on my own accord. Most of the garbage that I'm forced to watch is from my girlfriend's "anibox," a 1TB WD external.

 

Considering once Diablo 3 comes out, I won't be playing anything else for about 5 years straight (my Lord was Diablo 2 the best thing ever back in the days), and Diablo 3 will run fine on probably a GeForce Go 6800 or worse, you're probably right.... the power is just not terribly necessary.

Still, I'm playing Dragon Age right now on my G60 and I definitely feel like more power for this would be good. It plays 30+ FPS with max settings and 2xAA 1920x1200, but tearing forces me to use Vsync... which brings everything down below 30. I could turn off AA and bring the resolution down, but that would mean I have to buy a lower resolution 24". Even my 40" HDTV has 1920x1080, so that probably wouldn't frames either.

 

Well fortunately the mobility 5800 series will solve that problem shortly (Jan/Feb time frame). Like Soviet said, notebook tech isn't too far off from desktops these days. Sure an SLI/X-fire desktop solution blows away anything on a notebook or even a single 5800 card but as soon as the 5800 mobility is introduced, that will change. It won't reach desktop levels but the power it will provide should be more than enough to satisfy 99% of gamers out there. Hell a 260M GTX is enough to satisfy most for years to come.

 

The 5800 Mobility will be a good step up, but will only come close to the current generation of Desktop (probably around the performance of a GTX 280) cards.