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    Grab copper and a drill, now!

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by SoundOf1HandClapping, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. SoundOf1HandClapping

    SoundOf1HandClapping Was once a Forge

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    I remember that post.

    In any case, we'll see.
     
  2. Soviet Sunrise

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    Okay, it's your money to spend.
     
  3. SoundOf1HandClapping

    SoundOf1HandClapping Was once a Forge

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    $3.50 with free shipping isn't too bad, I guess. The cure time is probably going to annoy me, though.
     
  4. Lanaya

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    until your GPU blackens with all those 100C+ temperatures and you decide to buy a Clevo.
     
  5. Hydeo

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    What the? your GPU messed up? I thought you had good temps on yours
     
  6. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    He's talking about Sach and his... not so good temperatures.
     
  7. Abula

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    btw how did it go with the g51j?
     
  8. Hydeo

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    Oddly enough, the sinks are still sitting in front of me...why? because the sinks arrived earlier than the tape =/

    Edit: Either way, if I don't get the tape by Thrusday I wont be able to do the mod (didn't expect the tape to not arrive yet) as I'm going to HK on Thrusday. Won't be back until after new years. If tape arrived before sinks I could just buy the sinks from HK =/
     
  9. CitizenPanda

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    I have an awesome G60Vx... my CPU overclocks like crazy and the memory is even better. The GPU is golden as well with excellent Overclocks (for an Asus). It also has a 3 year Square Trade warranty.

    But I will be selling it soon as I have a Desktop I'm building:

    i7 920 @ 4.2ghz
    5870 Crossfire
    3 Monitors in Eyefinity
    The rest you probably won't be interested in (Dominator GTs, H50, X58 Micro etc... all in a SFF mini tower Sugo SG03).
     
  10. NBRUser0159099

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    ehhh i'll risk it, if this thing last me thru high skool i'll be a happy man :)

    then its time for portable laptop + gaming desktop. enuf with laptops, i dont need to game wherever i go lol.
     
  11. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The berquist thermal pads I received from forge have dropped my GPU temperatures on idle by 2-3c from 44-45c to 42-43c, so I am very happy with those results =] haven't had a chance to test on full bore in furmark tho
     
  15. dancom96

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    The ones that you put on the memory thingies? Most of mine are partially ripped and have AS5 accidently smeared on them. :(
     
  16. Soviet Sunrise

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    Do you know what are some good thermal pads that can be found on ebay?
     
  18. Soviet Sunrise

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    These are the pads I have been using for months on my M570TU.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/BerGquist-Therm...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b7990813
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4861258&postcount=356

    The gap clearance between your heatsink and memory may differ compared to mine so you may want to gauge your current thermal pads first and pick up the appropriate thickness. The seller also sells the pads in different thicknesses.

    With that said, I will be parting from Bergquist pads and will be switching over to T-Global thermal pads very soon as I cannot obtain the proper gauge pad for my W870CU memory. They require 2mm pads and I only have 1.5mm and 2.5mm pads. T-Global pads should be superior in performance anyway and they offer pads in 2mm gauge while Bergquist does not, atleast not that I can easily obtain.
     
  19. dancom96

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    I don't have a gauge and have don't know the thickness of it either. Would picking 2.5mm when I need 1.5mm make much difference? (or vice versa)

    I'm assuming you just cut it with normal scissors?
     
  20. Soviet Sunrise

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    Just use a ruler if you don't have a set of calipers. You can even use pocket change as a guide. A nickel is 2mm, and penny is ~1.4mm. You may want to ask Forge or EIement for the proper sizing, but I'm pretty sure 1.5mm pads will do the trick. Ideally, you don't want to get a pad too thick because silicone based thermal pads are difficult to flatten, especially against the very thin and fragile "wings" on the GPU heatsink that hold down the pad against the memory.

    Using scissors is the lazy way. Scissors will squeeze the ends of the thermal pad, which is what we don't want. Use a hobby razor blade or a box cutter to cut the pads. The 1.5mm pads already come pre-scored in the perfect size for the memory chips so I don't think you need to cut them.
     
  21. Lanaya

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    I'm fairly sure the pads Forge sent me (and that I'm using) are 1.5mm. But yes, I needed to cut them. I haven't lifted my GPU yet to see if it is still making good contact with the heatsink, because I'm out of TIM after reseating that QX9300 5 times+ putting my own back in 3 times.
     
  22. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    1mm, yo.

    10chars
     
  23. Soviet Sunrise

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    The copper has arrived.
     
  25. sama98b

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    offtopic:
    This topis is about different ways to use copper and drills then ...
    [​IMG]
     
  26. dancom96

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    So would it be better to get these or these?
     
  27. Abula

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    Lets see the golden one results.
     
  28. Lanaya

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    will let you know after I get them cleaned. is taking ages to remove this black sticky gunk off the bottom. 7 more to go (I ordered 32)
     
  29. Soviet Sunrise

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    The latter are 1mm pads, so get those.
     
  30. dancom96

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    They seem to be in different shapes though, but thats okay I guess?
     
  31. Soviet Sunrise

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    That's why you cut them with a razor like I mentioned in my previous post. The pre-scored ones are the 1.5mm pads, which I thought Forge and EIement had. But what they really had were the 1mm pads that look like the right angle block from Tetris.
     
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    Great photo, I can almost see your product key :p

    By the way, how did you get your copper so shiny?
     
  34. Lanaya

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    thats probably the result of the hour I spent rubbing off the original black adhesive lol.
     
  35. Lanaya

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    my Furmark tests have not improved, I believe this to be because I apparently have no intermediate fan speeds? But in-game temperatures have improved. 3DMark06 resulted in a max temperature of 78C@600/1000/1550 GPU clocks. in a run of L4D @ RX05 resolution (1360x768) with 4xaa and max of every other setting but film grain, I maxed at 69c after running through a campaign on Advanced.
     
  36. Lanaya

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    Hm...my temperatures have actually increased with the copper mod. Before, I'd hit 88c and then rollercoaster, if I had my panel off I'd hit a stable 81c. Now, I hit 89c then down to 85c before climbing up about a degree every 5 minutes. This might be related to my recent paste job? but either way the copper didn't do its job properly. Am gonna repaste and hope for the best.
     
  37. Soviet Sunrise

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    I never knew that would get copper shiny.
     
  38. Lanaya

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    brilliant soviet. Next up: telling me why the hell the copper is INCREASING my temperature instead of decreasing.
     
  39. Soviet Sunrise

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    You rubbed all the gold off.
     
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    i used copper polished on my heatsink, because a finger print makes it look dirty, how to rubbed all the copper polished off??

    should i use 90% alcohol to do that??
     
  42. Soviet Sunrise

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    Yes, you can use 90% isopropyl alcohol.
     
  43. Soviet Sunrise

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    I'm going to assume that you lapped all of the blocks sufficiently, sterilized the block surface and the heatsink surface, properly applied the thermal paste, and reconducted the stress test under near identical conditions as before you applied the blocks. However, determining if your temperatures improved on stress tests will be difficult because the G51 has very wonky fan thresholds. One degree hotter compared to your test before your installed the blocks isn't substantial. Part of me is saying that it's the paste as they don't settle in until after a day or two of cycling, but I have yet to see how it fairs in the longer run. Try to look at all of the factors that have an affect on your temps (nearby ambient temp, humidity, work surface, angle, vent proximity from wall, dust, etc) and control them and try to replicate the factors from your last run before you modded.
     
  44. Abula

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    Well i posted before, that i did see idle increase about 1 or 2C when i applied blocks, but load did go down at least in furmark from 90s to 85C. Maybe check the paste or maybe the golden one dont take copper but GOLD, lol jk, i think maybe could be the paste application, maybe remove the blocks, repaste until you get your usual temps when you are sure its as good as it was place the blocks.
     
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    >.>
    10chars
     
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    lol don't mess with luck mate. golden one was a direct descendant from god's hand himself -_-
     
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    why do we need to remove the black tape that comes with the pads? is their a difference between the black tape and some other tape?
     
  48. Lanaya

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    The black tape has crap thermal conductivity compared to the sekisui thermal tape- with the black tape you might as well not put any blocks in.
     
  49. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    That sekisui tape is not that good* for thermal conductivity it has 1 W/(miu*K) wich is the same as glass... The copper for example has like 404 W/(miu*K)... I know it also depends on time to release joules of energy(W) out of the system but come on...HUGE BOTTLENECK...

    Source: Thermodynamics class :p.
     
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    I think it's the only G51 in existence that isn't a fireball. I surely is a product of the heavens.

    It's not that I chose Sekisui over the generic ones because of thermal conductivity, rather I chose Sekisui as it is a superior adhesive. Like I mentioned way back, the black tape is horrible in bonding with the mating surface, while Sekisui tape sticks like glue.

    The same goes with all thermal tape. Sekisui, 3M, Akasa, and all the generic bootlegs out there are abysmal in thermal conductivity. But like I said above, the tape is there as a non-permanent solution for mounting the copper blocks onto the existing cooling system unless one wants to use epoxy or solder the blocks on.
     
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