Pascal ROG Strix GL502/GL702 Thread

Hi guys!

I am about to click the order button on a GL702VM 7700HQ 1060 laptop. A bit worried about what I read about GPU throttling though, is is solved with the new bios? Can you recommend the laptop?

Br J

 

There's a discussion on page 41 of this thread: by COOLBIRD and others (quote):

I've experimented with the GL502VM/FX502VM series for a while now and found that the best gaming experience can be achieved simply by disabling turbo-boost alltogether.
What I first believed to be a heat-throttling issue turned out to be a power-limiting issue instead, which means the heat we suffered was never the actual cause of throttling at all.

What really happens on the GL502VM/FX502VM series is that the device turbo-boosts "too much" on the CPU, effectively driving the power consumption above the 28-seconds PL1 average power consumption limit, which in turn causes the hardware to throttle itself back to its minimal power consumption state <= 800mhz, which in turn causes horrible lagspikes in games.
I've tried everything, from custom voltage curves for the GPU, CPU undervolts, PL1 parameter modification using XTU, etc. but have found that under permanent stress (on both the GPU and CPU), the highest average you can achieve on this notebook at somewhat-stable rates without exceeding the PL1 power limit is around 3ghz.

The amount of configuration required for this however does not warrant the gain, as you can achieve stable permanent 2.8ghz on your CPU by simply modifying the windows registry and enabling a hidden setting in the windows power settings to effectively disable turbo boost altogether.
Given that the device can't sustain stable 3.8ghz turbo boost beyond 28seconds runtime anyway, I think its the wiser choice, as it eliminates all lagspikes and makes this device a bliss to game on.

 

Thanks. But on page 44 it is said that the bios update fixed the issues. Is that not the case? It does not feel very good to buy a laptop and then have to limit its performance to make it run ok.

 

The reference on page 44 is for the 305 BIOS for the GL702 asus laptop (with GTX1070), the GL702 laptop has more overheating issues because of the more powerful1070 nvidia card.

I have the GL502VM with 1060gtx card, with BIOS 302 (latest)
I am very happy with this laptop (so far), I don't think there is any other laptop with Nvidia gtx1060 gaming performance at this price point (not in Europe anyway), and with a low 2.2 kg weight.
Regarding the BIOS version, it seems to me that 203 version gave better performance in games, but not as good and fast in general non-gaming usage as the newer 302.

BIOS 302: I am now dropping below 50fps on some of the more demanding games such as Ghost Recon Wildlands..
Other games (Rise of the tomb raider, Bioshock) play fine at a steady 60fps.

 

So its only for the 1070 version? Because there is also a GL702 with the 1060. This is the one I am thinking about buying. Is it loud?

https://www.komplett.se/product/908099/gaming/gaming-pc/barbar/asus-rog-gl702vm-173-fhd-matt-120hz#

 

Oh yes right,did not realise that they sold the gl702 with the gtx1060.... 17 inch with 120 hz refresh rate, nice....only sold in Sweden and Norway it seems...
But almost 1600 euros though, so about 400 euros more than the gl502...but higher refresh rate and bigger screen of course...but the GL502 has 12 Gb of Ram (and smaller 128gb ssd)...I also like the lighter weight of the GL502 (2.2 kg vs 2.7 kg)
Should not be too noisy with the gtx1060 card, mind you when gaming I tend to use earphones, gaming laptops in general all have fan noise when gaming..

 

Ordered one! Really hope it is good. I have had no luck with my laptop buy sofar. Had everything from bad backlight bleed, scratched chassis, faulty fans and broken keyboards.

 

I have the GL702VM with 1060. The Bios 305 update came to this device, not the 1070 variant. It fixed all my complaints regarding fps drops. However, if you want to lower your temperatures more, you can use some tweaks.

My GL702VM with the newest bios update and some undervolting (plus turbo disabled when gaming) runs below 80 degrees when gaming.

On the other forum some guys drilled holes under the ventilation holes and they achieved excellent results, however with that you will loose warranty. I'm planning on ordering a replacement backplate for drilling, so when a warranty repair is needed I could swap the backplates. But this is a distant plan, I'm pretty happy now with these temps.

 

So basically the GL502VM (which is smaller) has a better cooling solution?
'Cause mine undervolted never goes over 80°C when gaming, and that's with Turbo Mode enabled and nearly 30°C room temp. That's really odd if you think that the GL702VM has 3 fans and it's bigger.

 

Maybe. I don't think so. These laptops are identical. Mine goes to 80 after almost an afternoon of playing, when the whole chassis has been hot for 4-5 hours. Mine stays in the low 70's in the first hour of gameplay as I observed.

My roomate has a GL502VM and he has similar temps as me. We did some comparisons and they seemed to be identical. It depends a lot on the games you play and some other factors, too. Maybe the kaby lake models had some under the hood improvements.

 

That's exactly what I am saying. Temps are similar (same here, low 70's on first hour, then upper 70's all the time, but with turbo mode enabled) despite the fact that GL702 has 3 fans while GL502VM only 2. About kaby lake, I read that it runs a little bit hotter than the i7 6700HQ.

 

Hey there! I was interested in purchasing the ASUS ROG Strix 502vm (through microsoft as it seems ASUS customer support literally couldn't even tell me about their product last time... (was transferred back and forth 7x for the same question) The issue is Microsoft is sold out all over for the dual drive 265gb SSD/ 1TB HDD but still has the 1TB HDD at the same price.

Is it worth purchasing or should I wait for a newer model? And if there is a new model... when does it come out?nnMy alienware pooped out on me hardcore and I need a laptop for gaming and general school work for the next year for under $1400

I'm basically looking for a computer like this ASUS one but to purchase from Microsoft.

Current price is $1100 for the non-dual drive 1TB HDD

Thanks!

 

The GL502VM already has a successor, the GL502VMK (the difference is the processor 6700hq -> 7700hq + modifiable fan curve). It's worth purchasing over the old model, in my opinion, as it has the same price.

 

Trying to decide between the gl702vm and gl702vs. The vs is a little fatter and heavier but packs a 1070 while the vm has a 1060. Are there any other significant differences besides those? Are the speakers identical, or does the extra thickness of the vs allow for better drivers? Better keyboard? Are the 75hz panels on both identical? I've read some glowing reviews of the 120hz panel but don't know if it is significantly better than the 75hz or not. I'm talking color accuracy, viewing angles, contrast, etc. I can't find any info on the 75hz panels. The 60hz panel on the older gl702vm had only average contrast and other metrics so am afraid the 75hz would be more of the same.

I actually don't care too much about the actual gaming performance as both are more than enough. I am most concerned about the multimedia aspect, mainly the speakers and display. If there is an actual measurable difference I am willing to get the more expensive 120hz gl702vs but if there is none I'd rather save my money and get the lighter.

 

damn. i managed to overheat shutdown my gl502vm with adobe premiere pro video encoding.

cuda was running along with the cpu, and the laptop shutdown. That's all it took.

i always thought there was no realworld app that could kill a laptop, but Adobe premiere is all you need.

 

No wonder the 502 heats up easily. 2 shared heat pipes was a stupid decision. Hopefully they redesigned this on the 503.


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Could be inaccurate as the page wasn't ready yet, but not seeing much difference.

GL503
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL503/ (scroll down to KEEP COOL AND CARRY ON)


Vs

GL502
https://rog.asus.com/articles/g-series-gaming-laptops/upgrade-guide-rog-strix-gl502/

 

Now I have heard they redesigned the screen hinges so the display does not interfere with the exhaust.

I'm really hoping the 503 runs cool because I'd like to have another option next to the MSI Raider which looks like it's maintaining good Temps.

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Honestly, I dont think that the hinges block much heat, as the temps dont really change when I adjust the lid into a smaller degree (or even close it).

 

Hmm yeah I hope so. Eyeballing the 503 myself, really liking what I'm seeing so far.

Can't wait to find out the final details and pricing.

 

It's worth waiting over the 502/702

 

Are you going to choose ryzen btw?

 

So...my fan issues continue. Guess I need to get it to Asus to look at. :-/

 

BIOS version 305 for the GL502VMK released yesterday. Anyone tried it?

 

the new bios notes state "optimize performance"

I wonder what they could possibly optimize that didn't have to be updated in the gl502vm skylake model, because other than the cpu, they're identical.

No bios update for the gl502vm.

 

Maybe they just wanted to optimize VCores, who knows...
Fact is that core temps are the same, so I would call it a(nother) failure.

 

When you guys undervolt your CPU's, do the values actually hold or do you have to redo it everytime you restart your computer.

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Hi again!

I have the GL502VMK and today I was just checking if it has a Thunderbolt 3 port, since I have downloaded the firmware from the Asus website.
Now I have installed the software but when I start it it just shows a blank window with no Thunderbolt devices connected.
Then I checked the BIOS and there's a "Intel(R) Thunderbolt Configuration" option but it's greyed out and there's also a Security Level option (User Authorization, Secure Connect, Display Port only).
So right now I am really confused. Do I have Thunderbolt 3 or not?

If yes where can I see the version?
If no why then they released a firmware for it?

 

Hello everybody, I'm new subscriber to this topic, as of tomorrow I'll have my GL502VM from the store. I'm a little afraid about the temperatures (everything else I've read about this laptop was in positive manner), but even temp. issues can be also resolved with undervolting and even BIOS update, am I correct? If so, do You have any advices as to how to undervolt it, and how much? Of course, firstly I'll check how the stock temps. are, if they'll be around 70-75 in-game, I think I'll leave it as it is.

Also, can You help me identify, if my laptop is the newest version, below the link to the shop in PL, where I've bought it, It has the specs of the newest K version, but the producer ID still states GL502VM, or is it just You guys that call it with the K, as it has Kaby Lake CPU?

https://www.x-kom.pl/p/341165-noteb...gl502vm-i7-7700-16g-256ssd-win10-gtx1060.html

 

I personally have the GL702VM, but my roomate has the 502VM. The temps are very bad on stock. However, with some undervolting (both on cpu and gpu) you can get temps under 80°C. Just google i7-7700hq undervolt. If you want to go even further, I made a guide here, on how to disable turbo boost on the fly

For the gtx1060, you can find some uv profiles here

Btw, your model is the VMK, with the kaby lake processor.

 

If I understandd You correctly, turbo-boost doesn't allow the CPU to run on the max. allowed 3,8 Ghz, and it's stuck on the 2,8. Does it hamper the performance in games?

 

Nope, not at all.

The laptop wont run on 3,8ghz all the time, because it thermal throttles really badly. On stock it jumps between base and turbo speeds like every 15 seconds.

 

Use ThrottleStop to limit turboboost on the fly.
Don't turn turbo off completely.

 

I've got a bigass surprise for you.

I plugged in a samsung 4k TV, and found out our skylake GL502VM (and maybe the VMK, if nothing changed) has an HDMI 2.0 port.
The port does 4k 60hz chroma 444.

No need to buy stupid usb-c hdmi 2.0 dongles.

Confirmed with the chroma test and testufo.com website, and pic....

bad phone pic, but believe me, the last 2 rows of text are crystal clear.

 

My battery drains down to 95-96% while gaming. Is it normal or should I worry?

(my model is the GL502VMK)

Also, any news about thunderbolt 3?

 

95% should be normal. it shouldn't keep draining more than that though

 

So I'm on the fence about this laptop. They have it for $900 Open Box Excellent at my local Best Buy. THIS MODEL. It only has a 1TB HDD, so I'd be looking to upgrade to SSD for the OS. According to the manual from ASUS, it has an M2 slot, which I would simply add in then reinstall windows/drivers to that. How is the Thunderbolt 3 support? I googled around and saw a lot of mixed results. I migrated from Alienware, so I'm used to the AGA, but how good is eGPU support?

I'm also open to suggestions for M2 SSDs. I'd be fine with 64gb-256gb. I would probably only need it for OS and a game or two. Thanks!

 

there are several egpu boxes that support the gl502vm.

But asus is lacking when it comes to thunderbolt firmware updates.

 

Hi there!

Two days ago I became a happy owner of a GL702VS (GTX1070 120Hz). First look all seems good, made some HDD change etc. But when I start to play some different games, it seems that in many of them, if not all, I have micro blinking (screen become black really fast, not even an half second I guess) whenever I activate Vsync or not (even try to force it in Nvidia panel) when Gsync is activated. Try 3 differents drivers (388 / 388.10 and 387.92) without change, the only thing working is to disactivate Gsync :-(

Thanks for help!

 

gsync is buggy like that.

I keep gsync turned off. It's a waste, and I'd rather have Optimus

 

Thanks links626 for your answer !
But can it be a faulty monitor / laptop ? Or should I hope to find a solution ?

 

if it only happens once, it's not faulty. It's just buggy.

According to google, tons of people have similar gsync problems.

 

Are the temperatures really that bad? I'm trying to decide between this and the Clevo P950H6, but I read that one currently has fan noise problems.

 

Hi guys. I have a question about my GL502VKS. I didn't know where to ask it, so I'll post it here.
While heavy gaming only my left fan (I assume that is my GPU fan) spins unless I set the fan speed manually to 100% in ROG gaming center. At 100% the second fan starts to spin but even at 99% the second fan at the right side of the laptop (looking from front) stays off. Does anybody here have the same laptop? I just want to make sure my machine isn't faulty.
The second fan works perfectly fine but the only problem is that it starts when fan speed is manually set to 100%. Thanks in advance!

 

the fan on your left is your cpu. That is the one you can control via ROG center.
fan on the right is gpu.

Are you sure the right fan is off? The sound is probably being drowned out by the other fan. You can probably feel air blowing.

 

Instead of using vsync, disable it, and try using the RTSS frame limiter, and set a frame limter setting of refresh - 1, like 120hz => 119 FPS, or 60hz => 59 FPS.

MSI Afterburner bundle's RTSS and using both you can also display on screen frame rate, GPU / CPU temps and utilization, and lots of other info, or disable OSD and just use the frame limiter.

 

I am sure the right side fan stays completely off unless I manually set the fan speed to 100%. Even at 99% only my CPU fan spins and the GPU fan stays off.
Maybe for this specific model (GL502VSK) this is how the fan works...I am kind of worried...I would be so glad if others tell me how their laptop fans work. Do both fans spins automatically or not? Thanks!

 

your pc is not going to burn itself up. If the temp is very cool, the fans will stop spinning until it reaches higher temp. both fans are supposed to run automatically.

But just to test, download and run hwinfo64 sensors, and open a game, and look at the gpu temp. If the fan were always off, the gpu would quickly burn itself up and throttle itself to something like 400mhz.

You would know that the gpu fan is on if your gpu clocks are over 1300mhz, and the gpu temp stays below 80-85C.

 

When playing heavy games only my CPU fan spins. Even after 2 hour of gaming... The temps go as high as 95C for CPU and 89C for GPU but still the GPU fan does nothing except I manually set fan speed to 100% before the game starts. Then both fans spin at maximum speed and temps drop to ~77C for CPU and ~70C for GPU.
I read a post which said the GPU fan only starts to spin when its temp reaches 90C. Under heavy load my CPU fan spins so fast that it keeps my GPU temp below 90C only by 1 degree and doesn't let GPU to reach 90C.
Maybe there is something wrong with its sensor or something, but I hope not...My laptop is just 1 week old

 

it's not supposed to be like that. The gpu fan will come on at much lower temps.

I'm guessing you might have installed other gpu-related apps that are interfering with the regular fan behavior.

One other thing you should check is if you have the latest bios firmware at the asus website.