The NEW Asus G74SX & G53SX - NOW Available for Pre-Order at GenTech!

Also I cant see any where 2yr warranty given by asus

 

It was planned but I talked with Asus in Fremont they decide not to bring in any 15" 3D models to US.

 

I saw that one, but I really want a bluray drive. My ps3 just went out on me, and I never really used it for gaming. This way I'll kill 2 birds with one stone.

Does anybody know a more specific release date for the g74? Because I can wait, but I can't wait that long. Its an insurance issue.

 

@ken: I just wanted to know whether we have to pay any extra money as taxes if we purchase a laptop in california from gentechpc?

 

yes we do collect California sales tax.

 

is it middle of july? what are the other variants?

 

New ETA for G74SX-A1 is sometimes next week.

 

If it comes out on the 23rd, what date would it ship? Also, if I were to customize it a little bit, would it Delay the shipping? If so by how long?

I really need a laptop ideally by the 30th, but definitely by july 10th.

 

Did ASUS post an official statement somewhere? Because that video was pretty recent. It is just nice to be sure that ASUS won't change their mind again when deciding to buy a new laptop now.

Companies don't usually take the "Well I didn't think they would release BLAH BLAH right after I bought mines" when asking for a refund. Then again, even if ASUS did change their mind last minute, I guess we would be screwed anyways huh?

 

If it comes on the 23rd we can ship the same day, for custom configuration will take 3~5 days on Asus laptops.

No Asus didn't post official statement, but G53SX 3D doesn't show up on new model list like G74SX and G74SX 3D does.

The only problem with 15" 3D is the resolution, LCD manufacturers doesn't have 15.6" 120Hz in full HD, only 1366x768 and that's the main reason Asus North America decide not to bring in the 3D model for 15.6".

 

How much time will it take for the laptop to reach at my doors in california if I buy it from Gentechpc?
And is it possible to collect laptops(with/without custom config) directly from your head office situated in Covina, CA?

 

Same question, but I live in kansas.

 

I like more this one than my G73JH but dont have another 1900$ to spend lol

 

What's the difference in the performance(or significance) between the two:
if we are getting TWO 4GB rams or
FOUR 2GB rams
though both make a total of 8GB RAM considering that we have four ram slots?

 

So has anyone 100% confirmed that the G53SX-A1, will have a 128bit GPU memory bus? I find it hard to believe the updated model would be less powerful than the G53SW with the 460M. Doesn't make any scene, why would anyone want one when they could buy a power powerful 460M for cheaper?

 

Pretty neat review of the Asus G74SX 3D for genereal understanding. Looks very sturdy to me) Some benchmarks aswell as gameplay included! Runs very cool, too.

 

The G74 looks interesting!
But why 3GB vram lol!! I am almost positive it couldn't utilise more than 1GB lol if there was a game that used that much from a single card before another bottleneck becomes apparent. Funny that this marketing gimmick still works after all these years

 

3GB is usefull only for 3D imo.. cos it need as much as twice ram to display 2 image for 3D display

 

Shouldn't be any difference, save that you'd have to toss two sticks of RAM to upgrade later (assuming you have 4 slots, 2 filled).

Yeah, I think it's basically a gimmick, but oh well.

3GB specifically is because of the memory architecture...uses a 192-bit bus, that leaves pretty much 1.5GB or 3GB as the choices. Oh well, doesn't hurt anything, and I suppose there's a chance it might get used?

 

2GB maybe if you running it 3D at 1080p at ultra settings but the card wont be able to handle that anyway so its definetely a marketing scheme.

Men and size matters that old chestnut

 

ok....I was under the impression that as its 4gb in one slot, so the processor would get 4gb space at one stretch which might increase its performance...so it doesn't work this way then?

 

The only thing that would increase it's performance is if you're running in single channel mode instead of dual channel mode. Like you want to keep sticks of RAM matched in pairs (and in the matching slots) so that it's in dual channel mode, which doubles your memory bandwidth.

Other than that, the memory controller handles talking to the RAM. The CPU proper doesn't know or care how the RAM's physically divided up, if that makes sense.

 

I'm sorry but can you explain the above a little more. I did not understand it clearly.

 

That is no longer true, you can have odd amounts of RAM, as long as there is more than one stick it will run dual channel. This is called asymmetric dual channel mode and it has been supported for many generations.

 

Sorry, I'm not sure how to exactly. Basically motherboard typically have an even number of RAM slots (2 or 4) and pairs of those slots work together. You want to have identical sticks of RAM in matching slots.

Like if you have two slots in a system, you don't want one stick of 2GB and one stick of 4GB, you want two sticks of 2GB or two of 4GB or whatever.

If you have 4 slots, you need to make sure you know which two slots work together, and then for example have 2 2GB sticks in the correct matching slots, and leave the other two empty. Or fill two slots with 2GB, and two slots with 4GB, or whatever.

The point is you want it matching, so that the memory controller can use what's called "dual channel mode", where is uses two sticks of RAM together to double memory bandwidth. Break that, and it enters single channel mode.

Now that's not necessarily the end of the world, since usually stuff's not bandwidth limited anyway, but I just don't see any reason to ever be running a system in single channel mode. It's why I'm kind of annoyed when systems ship with say 6GB or whatever, with a 2 and 4GB stick of RAM.

So THAT can affect performance, but the CPU doesn't care whether it's pulling 4GB from 2 sticks or 4 sticks, if that makes sense.

(Also note that on some high end desktop systems, there's even triple channel RAM, where you have to have it in matching 3s for max performance, but aside from some super weird expensive notebooks using desktop processors, notebooks now are all dual channel.)

That's not true. At least not entirely. Supposedly Intel's memory controllers support running things in "partial dual channel mode", but even if that works at 100% efficiency (which I seriously doubt), it still means a large chunk of your RAM is operating in single channel mode.

Like if you have a 2GB and a 4GB stick, it means 1/3 of your memory is operating in single channel...at best.

And quite possibly there's some kind of performance hit even for the rest of it...plus of course it means the system is theoretically getting super variable performance from RAM, when reading/writing to random memory locations.

 

http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/320765.pdf

Page 20. Cheers.

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at by posting that.

 

It's an intel whitepaper for the i7. It's not running single channel in asymmetric dual channel mode, so I am backing up what I said earlier. Take care.

 

No, you're not. It's backing up what I just said (in less plain language).

It is NOT true dual channel mode. It's only partially dual channel.

And that's assuming it can actually actually achieve the same performance as dual channel when reading/writing from the "dual channel" portion of the RAM when in that mode, which isn't a given.

From that document:

"Dual-Channel Symmetric mode...provides maximum performance on real-world applications."

Which is my point. There's no reason to not be running dual channel on today's systems, when it's not difficult to make sure you have matching DIMMs.

 

It is true that there is a performance penalty on asymmetric dual channel mode when the upper portion of the memory space is reached. But it is still full dual channel until that boundary, and in real world use there will be little difference unless you are benchmarking or totally filling your memory. See the bit about flex memory in the whitepaper. There's no sense regurgitating all of this it's all there.

 

Yup that is what I have heard too. Unless you start fiddling around with chips with different frequency.

 

So nobody has seen an official G74 or G53sx benchmark yet and all G73 and G53x owners are saying the new models are slower..I see a trend. Funny that. Why don't people just wait till its released

I find it hard to beleive the G74 could be slower graphics wise than the G73. Why would Asus release it then? They might as well switch back to core 2 duo's lol

 

@ Hen, The G73 owners are saying that because the new and fresh G74 makes them insecure about their older model. But watch they will deny and not admit it and will make excuses about how their G73 is better because they are stuck with it and have no choice.

 

A 5870M can beat a 460M GTX which was released 9 months after it was in the original G73 and it cost $500+ more for a slightly newer model and CPU.

The 460M GTX can be overclocked slightly to reach a 560M GTX and again costs $500+ with a slightly newer model and an on par CPU.

The only major difference is the newer CPU from when the JH was released and a USB 3.0 slot with a few other minor changes.

So overall from the G73JH to the G74SX you are paying $1000+ for around 2000 more 3DMark06 points which the majority of which come from the CPU. Or you could pick up a cheap JH model and kit it with a 920XM beating the G74SX or pick up a cheap SW model and kit it with a 2920XM again beating the G74SX by a mile and a half, it just does not make sense to splash out $1900 on a different look with the same medicore power.

Either way insecurity has nothing to do with it, value for money DOES. I will stick with my JH through and through because it performs for the $700/£400 I paid for it.

 

Seriously, the huge price increase from G73SW to G74SX is unjustified. An extra 100MHz on the GPU core? LOL, I run mine on 820MHz. An extra 4GB RAM? A 2x4GB kit costs 70$, ant I can barely utilize half of my 8GB. Wider keyboard? Looks nice, but not THAT much.

The extra money would be better off used for a SSD or something.

Although there is one thing about the G74SX that might redeem it, but it's very uncertain and more likely than not won't: there could be a chance that it will be possible to upgrade the GPU.
(Or not.)

 

It still is beyond belief that Asus do not take advantage of the fact they reverse engineer their GPU's.

Reverse engineer an upgraded GPU at a later date and sell them as upgrades. But they wont do it they make more money by just releasing a newer model because it works people fall for it and buy it. If only the 6970M test had been successful it booted non the less we just need someone to try again and the G74 will be toasted.

 

We are talking about A1 models of g73sw and g74 ( not watered down bestbuy of jh/jw/sw and amazon/newegg xn1-xr1). The A1 g73sw cost $1,680 and g74 $1,740 so what huge price difference are you talking about lol. Are you suggesting that people buy the g73sw-A1 and save about 50 bucks over the fresher model lol.

Also your logic about the GTX 560m not being stronger than the 460m because when 460m is OC'd, it will be on par with gtx 560m. What you don't understand is that to be on par with gtx 560m, you have to oc the gtx 460m going against a stock gtx 560m to be the same performance. Now OC the Gtx 560m and it will still be better than the gtx 460m. You understand?

 

I think somewhere in this thread the 3DE and A1 model prices were conflated.

 

I think you need to shop around a bit because:

G73SW-XN2 which has only minor differences from an A1 is $1299.99.

That is a pretty big difference from a 'Fresher Model'

 

Exactly, its quite obivous reading most of these posts here

I couldn't have said it better myself. They fail to see or mention that if you overclock the 560m then of course it will be way out of reach compared to an overclocked 460m. Stock 460m Vs Stock 560m = 560m slightly higher. Overclocked 460m and overclocked 560m (Should have more headroom on the Oc) should be quite a bit faster. Just look at Gentech's 560m overclock on new drivers. What was it 2600+ in 3dmark11.

Of course if were looking at the G53sx with its 128bit 560m then 460m wins all the way.

 

This is not entirely true although it cannot be proven, remember that they are using the same architecture with higher clocks. At some point you reach a maximum overclock and if the voltage is not changed you will not be able to push the core/memory any higher than what the 460M can reach with the same voltage.

I would expect the 560M because it is clocked higher at standard to reach a higher overclock but not by the margins you are expecting, an overclocked 460M will be closer to the overclocked 560M than you think. In any case compared to the Newegg G73SW-XN2 it does not justify the extra $600/$700 dollars, if it had a 6970M/485M it most certainly would.

 

There is no price difference from Asus in the UK between the G73SW-91136Z and the G74SX-91013Z but that said apart from the new case there isn't much spec difference...

GTX 460M -> GTX 560M
Blu-Ray Reader / DVD-RW -> Blu-Ray RW

 

Please could you show links with comparison of price?

I have seen several outlets selling the G73SW around £1000 so would be very interested to pick up a G74 for the same price. Although UK prices are very high compared to the US it is cheaper to import.

 

Do you have any links for the G73SW at £1,000? Is it the G73SW-91136Z or one of the US imports?

It is very true that UK prices are much higher than elsewhere in the World.

 

Thanks to both...

Just out of curiosity, is there any way to know whether the matching rams are in matching ports considering Wolfpup's statement?
and at the same time is there any way to know how the ram memory is distributed inside ie for eg: if it's 8gb then whether it's 2x4gb or 4x2gb?

 

There's no "huge price increase". They're the exact same MSRP. It'll be $100ish more at launch, because it's new and the other's been out for a while, but that has nothing to do with Asus.

If you've got access to a system, you can use:
CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting

to find out.

If you're trying to install RAM in a system, sometimes the slots are color coded (although I don't think I've seen that in a notebook), and it SHOULD say in the manual or something. Otherwise I suppose you can just use experimentation to find out. I'm not sure that there's a standard for which two are matching?

Maybe there is though now on newer systems?

 

great!

How difficult it is to access the rams inside a G53SW?

 

Their temps never topped 57c after hours of Black Ops? Now I'm really hating myself for getting a G73SW. Never played Black Ops, but games always give me temps from 65 to 80 . . .

 

If it's only $100 more then sure, I'd go for the G74SX. I somehow got the impression that there was a $400 difference.

 

He is referring to the price as new or at release date compared to the G73SW not to the comparison between the cost now.

The G73SW-XN2 Newegg is $1299.99

The G74SX- A1 release cost is $1745.00

$445.01 difference.