The NEW Asus G74SX & G53SX - NOW Available for Pre-Order at GenTech!

Again we are talking about the A1 complete/full retail version and not the XN1/XN2/XR1/XT1 and BestBuy models. The G73JH-A1, G73JW-A1, G73SW-A1 were all between $1,650-1,850 and never went below $1,600. What you are talking about are the watered down versions from bestbuy,newegg,tigerdirect,amazon etc...

What you need to compare the G73Sw-XN2 is to the G74SX-Newegg/tigerdirect/amazon/bestbuy etc.. that will be shortly followed after the release of A1/3d versions.

Do you understand it clearly now? You are comparing a watered down version to a full featured retail A1. Once you compare the G74SX-nonA1 to G73SW-XN1 then there will be not much a price difference.

But let's use your logic of the XN2 (newegg) watered down version to A1

-500gb compared to Dual 750gb hdd = 1.5TB
-Dvd drive compared to Blue Ray
-No Bag
-No Mouse
-8gb Ram compared to 12gb Ram (free upgrade to 14gb from gentech,xoticpc)
-Only 1yr labor/parts warranty compared to 2yrs labor/parts warranty

And the most horrible con of buying from newegg, Once you buy from newegg and you decided the model is not what you like or you want something else, you are stuck because there is no coming back (only exchange for exact same model). Compared to resellers like gentech/xoticpc you can still get a full refund if you want something else.

So please do your research Mr.Brit before misleading potential buyers

Thank You

 

I think one should compare G74SX-A1 with G73SW-A1 because there are lots of things that differ when going for the lower end of the same model for eg
here one of the bigger things compromised(in G73SW-XN2 at newegg) is the warranty: they have just one year damage warranty instead of the standard two year warranty+1 yr damage warranty.

While seeing prices we should also compare the specs for eg:
g73sw-xn2 offers 500gb whereas g74sx offers 1.5tb!(more than double)
g73sw-xn2 offers 1.5gb vram, gtx460m whereas g74sx offers 3gb vram gtx560m
g73sw-xn2 offers 8gb ram, whereas g74sx offers 12gb ram
g73sw-xn2 offers dvd drive, whereas g74sx offers blu ray
Also the standard 2yr warranty+1 yr accidental warranty is included in g74sx + you get a gaming mouse and a bag(this is why the price increases)

So one needs to think about all this(depending upon user requirements) along with the reduced prices offered though I agree that some of the specs of g74sx(non 3D version) are way too inflated than necessary..

G73SW-A1 current prices are somewhere around $1650 and asus is giving rebate of $100 on it if you purchase before jun 30th, so it comes down to around $1550. So even now the difference is big (around $200 but not $400 or $500).

I personally think considering that you are owning a 3D laptop , you should wait for G74SX 3D and go for that if you really want to upgrade your current G73SW-3D to the next level because that's where all the "3GB VRAM" can be utilized the most!
I personally feel that G74SX can be a worth to buy over g73SW(that you own) only with its 3D version.
Rest is your choice

 

ninja'd

I meant that hypothetically, if I had to choose between G73SW-A1 and G74SX-A1.
But of course I'm perfectly happy with my SW 3D. And the extra VRAM would not help one bit in 3D. Thanks for your concern.

 

Where should we start. Ok. The SW-A1 is a rip off because you can upgrade to it from the XN2 for less than the following to reach the G74 spec.

500GB HDD 7200RPM $25
4GB RAM $20
1.5GB extra VRAM which will never be used + higher clocks. $0
A Blu-Ray Drive $55 upgrade cost
Asus warranty let me think.... $0 I would rather let my gran fix my laptop
Bag + Mouse made in a chinese sweat shop. Ill be generous $50

So for $150 you could have pretty much the same laptop and overclocking is free.

If that GPU gets anywhere near 2GB of Vram I will eat my own hat.

 

Why wouldn't 3gb help in 3d? I read that 3d requires almost double the memory of the normal, considering that gaming utilizes around 1gb of vram...
I just want to discuss and learn as I know you give good technical explanations..

 

Rarely does a game utilise 1GB of VRAM you would need something running at 1200p at Ultra with every setting in the book switched on.

For instance this post here shows:

The Witcher 2 inside the inn in Chapter 1: 1152MB
1920x1200p
ULTRA
All Settings on + Ubersampling (which will easily add a massive chunk of Vram)

This is on a desktop SLI setup as well so 3GB is massive overkill and meant for max settings at resolutions like 2560x1600 or multiscreen.

 

I had said around 1gb and not over 1 gb..and of course I was talking about maximum settings...Anyways, I got your point..no issues

 

Thank you

3D doesn't require any more memory because all it does is shift the view camera a little to the left/right every second frame, and that's it. It's basically the same thing as strafing left and right very fast.

It does require double the processing power though to have the same FPS as in 2D, as you need to have 50fps per eye (100fps total) to have the same smoothness as 50fps in 2D.

 

you are welcome...

ohh...and I thought we also needed double the memory as required in 2D..so in that case, will 3D give the same performance with 1.5gb and 3gb vram considering the same processor speed?

 

Yep.

 

Wow, nerd fight.

 

Only a nerd would come onto a forum to post that comment.

 

hmm....ok..

 

G73SW-A1 Asus G73SW-A1 17.3 inch Notebook, Intel Core i7-2630QM 2.0 GHz Processor, 8GB RAM, 1TB Hard Drive, Windows 7 Home Premium, USB 3.0, Black

G73SW-A1 for $1499 for those interested... so the cost difference lowers a wee bit

 

Yeah, but that's after rebate...not that it's not a good deal.

But the point is a lot of posters have acted like the price has gone up, when the MSRP is exactly the same so far as I know. Obviously prices came down a bit from that, and then a lot, after the G74 became pretty much official, but it's not like Asus raised prices.

It appears to be improved here and there, and for the same price, so...that's good

 

After reading this thread I'm not sure which one to get now...G73SW or the newer G74SX.
When I configure them at PNB, the G74SX comes in $86 more than the G73SW. So spending an additional $86 gets...
1. 4GB more ram> 8GB to 12GB
2. 500GB more storage> 1TB to 1.5TB
3. GTX 560m> slightly faster than 460m
4. Redesigned Keyboard> with better spacing of arrow keys and overall look.

The first 3 are transparent to me (always good to have more) but its the keyboard that sways me over to the G74. It just seems better to type on compared to the cramped G73 keyboard.

WWNBR do in this case? Spend the $86 or save it and get the G73? When is the launch date of the G74SX? I've seen from yesterday to July 15?

 

G74SX-A1 is available in stores and are ready to be shipped. I just checked out sites like pnb, gentechpc..
And as pnb is offering 3gb vram, I think its worth to spend those extra $86 for the comparisons you have made above..yeah, the keyboard really looks better and more comfortable..

 

For $86 there's no contest. The G74 might have better cooling, but for sure has all 4 DIMM slots accessible, versus only 3 on the G73...that for me right there is worth $86. The GTX 560 if I'm remembering right looks to be, what was it, 10% faster? That's worth it too.

I won't be using the hard drives, and presumably will have to replace the stick of RAM, so that part doesn't affect me one way or the other.

 

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36db under lode sounds really good!

 

The Notebookcheck test in English is here. 120 Watt under medium load seems decent. If only Asus made the move to switchable graphics; they might have rekindled a similar level of excitement surrounding the original Asus G73JH.

 

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i'll wait for 570 at least

 

The pricing on 580's insane.

 

I wonder how long it'll be till we see a G74 with those new GPUs?

 

Wake up ASUS!
Even Msi will use GTX 570 c'mon

 

Link pls. 10 char

 

Here ya go: AnandTech - Optimus Top to Bottom: NVIDIA Releases the GeForce GTX 570M and 580M

 

Thanks, pretty nice stuff... i might start selling for MSI

 

You'll never see it, because Asus would not need to buy enough of them to get the price breaks they do for the 560M, unless they did away with the 560M completely. As the tech manager told me "the 560M is good enough" for their target audience.

They can't load up a machine with max gpu specs and still sell it at the current price points.

If you want a faster GPU, get another brand. You'll find the other mass vendors following the same formula.

 

Asus don`t really care about the upper gaming segment metalangel. They just tag along the other OEMs and consentrate on selling gaming laptops for the mass

 

Ok I get it, but MSI aim for the same market share as asus ROG, so it's not difficult to see then sell the GTX 570 by the same price asus sell the GTX 560.
And if asus doesn't do something about it, yes i will get another brand, like many others.
I moved from my old G51 to the G73, and I really satisfied with both. But I'm fanboy of my wallet, if you know what i mean. =)

 

The MSI models have their own issues. If you can find a 570M model with the same price and offer the same level of quality and cooling, then by all means buy it.

 

I bought a G73 with GSOD certified seal of quality.
MSI isn't too far in "quality"

 

I`d say the GT780R is better in terms of quality compared to G74SX imo

 

The MSI notebooks are hideous and don't have the superior cooling of the G73/G74.

 

The cooling on the MSIs is fine, what i don't like is one cooler setup, technically for it to cool the same has to go louder, that said the new G74 seems loud, not like the G73. The only issue i have seen on the MSI is the keyboard, but hell G73 has its own share off keyboard/trackpad issues, i might consider a 8170 if the price isnt that big with the 570, i just wished they had illuminated keyboards =(. The only regret i have today about my G73 is i cant find a good roller bag for it, it just too big for whats available in the market.

 

I think the MSI has a few key features like the steelseries keyboard, the dynaudio speakers, and also a matte screen and a extra port and good gpu.

However the overall build quality of the unit does not seem to me as great and also its not nearly as nice looking at the G73 or G74 and looks do matter.

I remember my Asus G50 and it was a great laptop at the time and had no problems but I was just never quite happy with it due to that horrible neon orange color and plastic honey comb palm rest.

The G73 is my first laptop that truly pleased me 100% all around with performance, looks, and price.

The G74 seems a logical step forward but not not a leap forward. I also still prefer the G73 looks to the G74 but I would accept the G74 I think.

 

Does MSI offer 3D screens?
If it came down to choosing a G73SW, G74SX or MSI GT780R, all with 3D screens, I'd go for the MSI becasue of the much more powerful GPU, even though I don't fancy its design.

 

How is the Gpu in the MSI more powerful? Both the Msi Gt780r and the Asus g74sx come with an identical nVidia GeForce GTX 560M, the only difference being the double vram on the Asus. Am I missing something?

 

g74 and gt780 , both have the same GPU with the exception of extra GPU memory in G74 , although another turning point would me msi offering GTX 570 Upgrade while Asus did not made any public announcement yet regarding GPU upgrades for G74

 

The GT780R have much better cooling. And that is with only 1 fan
GT780R makes more noise when gaming though but G74 is more noisier when doing light stuff. G74SX on top.

 

While the exterior temps of the G74 are higher at load, the ambient was also higher. They will still be higher, but the difference in the same conditions will be less than 8 degrees at load. Other than that, given that all exterior temps are acceptable, what are the temps of the components. That's something i'm more interested in.

Asus probably made some sacrifice in regards to temps to keep the noise down a bit.

Also, the higher exterior temps might be due to difference in design. If the mobo on the G74 is anything like that on the G73, the PCH dumps it's heat under the keyboard which does a difference. Do you know if it's the same for the MSI or if the PCH shares the CPU/GPU heatsink? The PCH doesn't generate that much heat, but someone changed the thermal pad for the PCH on his G73 and noticed a difference in the keyboard temp due to this.

 

I have got an important question so please reply
I am planning to buy asus g53sx 3d because of the naked eye 3d but from a site i learned that it will have 2gb vram(more than enough) and 128 bit bus (??) while g74sx will have 3gb vram with 192 bit bus. I dont think asus would do such a thing like that because it would be a huge downgrade from g53sw. so my question is will g53sx 3d have gtx 560m with 192 bit bus or 128 bit bus?????
Thanks in advance. (and sorry for my terrible english)

 

I don't understand some of the decisions of the production managers either

 

If they had done that, I wouldn't buy one. I don't want floptimus. I don't want reduced performance, compatibility, etc.

That it doesn't have floptimus is a SELLING point for the G74. If you want it, Dell will give it to you... (probably along with crackling audio, which makes as much sense).

Yeah...but with floptimus, which is insane. As though it already wasn't nuts using it with any mid or high end GPU :-/

 

G74SX has a OC button, right? for the GPU or CPU?

 

Nope. No TwinTurbo for Sandybridge... not like it needs it

 

So only the G53/73 JH/JW/SW has?

and what about the ROG icon here?

 

I planned on getting the g53sx as well but I came to the same conclusion with it being 128 bit. I found more on how it "might" have 128 as opposed to it having the 192 bit bus. I have yet to find any "official" word on what it's really going to have so I said screw it and placed an order for the g74sx instead.

 

The SW doesn't have a turbo button either, all it does now is change the color of the screen for movies,games,graphic, etc. Ditto for the button on the G74, so it's pretty useless.