*Official ASUS W90Vp Owners' Lounge*

On that windows 7 drivers stuff. I got 9.5 to work with both cards and crossfire enable. Both cards are master, but gpuid and vantage dont see crossfire. So it not working, but we are close. I flashed my 2nd card to slave and the installed Asus driver that came with vista x64 and bam everything worked. Crossfire is working 100%, i think. You have older drivers but it works. I then installed 9.5 no drivers, just ccc and the seems to work too. Older drivers but 9.5 ccc.

 

so you installed vista driver of asus with vista compatibility on win7?

 

I used the have disk method to install it. Then i ran the setup. The drivers for vista x64 seem to be ok. I didnt get much time to test it out, but its a start.

 

have you updated the bios version? if mean the whole w90 one?

 

The cards are using the stock master/slave bios image. No tweak or over clocked bios images. Just the ones it came with. It was on Master/Master, but those were the stock images. Is there something newer i missed?

I just went to Asus site and saw the new motherboard bios. I guess i missed that one. Been busy, my 2 year old been sick.

 

so you just selected the master for driver update and the slave one updated too?

 

I updated the slave first and i believe it updated both.

 

the new bios seems to fix some issues with games.try it.

 

Is the info for what games works with crossfire in CCC or in the drivers themselves?

 

Ok so overdrive for me doesn't increase voltage when you up the clock speed however it does drop the voltage when you downclock the cpu to power saving mode. So i guess we could try to get a programmer/coder to take a look at it and see if we cant up the voltage via turbogear until we find a bios solution.

Another thing i was thinking, is there anyway to trick the bios via cpuid codes into thinking that this chip is the dualcore version which requires more voltage? Or just modifying whatever value it is that the cpu uses to tell the bios how much voltage it wants?

 

This is just an observational thought here, but has anyone considered the pricing cut-off of 2,000 euros? The current exchange rate on the euro to dollar would put 2,000 euros = to just under $2,800 US dollars. This is well bellow the selling prices of the A1/X2 models, regardless of weather the X1 remains or is retired. Just something to think about...

 

Yeah actaully that did come to mind however from the amount of "this product is discontinued chatter" appearing from all different sites and sources it makes me think otherwise. You know they could've canceled this one and wont ever be making a laptop more expensive then the w90. Have to remember that most stuff is more expensive hardware wise in europe due to VAT and whatnot as well, who knows what the w90 reatils for overthere.

Example: 2400 usd is only 2700 or so CAD (dollar goes in my favour AFTER i buy my laptop, go figure) however it would cost me 3400 canadian to get it up here. Well maybe a little less now that the dollars shifted, I'd still expect to pay 3200 up here.

 

Article on nvidia soldering from last year which I believe still applies:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39506/135/


My hp notebook died on me awhile back. It was 6 months out of warranty at 1.5 years. I had paid almost $1600 for it.

HP was aware of nvidia defects so put up a token gesture of extended support "for all models affected". The extended support links drill down through my model number and serial number but end in only a handful of P/N numbers per model line which don't include mine. I called them on the phone several times and was adamant but they stonewalled me every time.

The gpu is integrated into the mobo I believe. Its a dv9339us with a nvidia go7600 gpu. There are other problems with HP's (including my model) like the hinges cracking, and there was just a recall on their exploding batteries too. Mine died just after the display started showing screen artifacts, then it showed fine colored lines oscillating diagonally on the lcd like some old fashioned crt tube defect almost. After that, the display only shows backlight and no post/beeps or anything when I turn it on. I'm considering disassembling the whole thing someday and putting the motherboard on a griddle to reflow the solder, as outlined in this article:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1421792

Since my hp is a paperweight I dont have much to lose....

After that $1600 for 1.5 years hp+nvidia experience I am shy of dropping over $1k on a gaming/multimedia notebook again, and I am definitely trying to avoid nvidia mobile gpus. The stories of asus support and the 2 yrs included warranty gave me some confidence with considering the W90vp model however and I have been following along this thread but waiting "for the smoke to clear". Hopefully once the smoke clears the W90vp won't be gone.

I do have a question about extended warranties though. What happens if you get ext warranty, to say 3 years, but the product line is discontinued and you can't get it repaired/replaced after the 2nd year due to lack of new units or parts ? Many resellers sell extended warranties.

 

I just called redbarn computers and they say that this small shipment is the last batch that will reach the U.S. - They are discontinuing the W90 according to the salesman I talked to. Don't believe me? Call them for yourself

 

@elvn

You can buy the extra year directly through Asus . If they dont have the parts to fix your machine they would have to replace it for something of comparable value .

 

Thanks for answering that question Quad. I also posted that since I saw people mentioning switching to nvidia sli clevos. I wouldn't.

 

Yeah and knowing Asus has produced way to many eepcs and has no other dual gfx card notebook we'd probably each end up with 4 or 5 of those little buggers

 

Haha well you could tape them all together for something unique and one of a kind .

This is the only bad thing though , if they dont infact produce another machine with a 18.4 inch screen and dual cards ( which im sure they will but i think there looking at the economy right now as a reason not to) then what would they end up replacing it with . If you bought a 18.4 then you should get the same in return and not have to settle for anything less. They may produce enough spare parts though considering they havent shipped like a million of these things that will tide them over for the next 3 years .

Oh and the new G71x is "Supposed" to have a 2x260GTX SLI option but in the 17inch form factor so they are clearly making some more dual card machines.

 

If they are going to pull a vanishing act on this model the newegg stock is starting to look better.

 

For $2199 its a bargain for sure and if your on the fence about getting one then dont hesitate and grab it asap i would think.

 

Ken also states he will be receiving a SMALL shipment of W90Vp's TOMORROW!

 

Wonder if that small shipment is the last shipment ? did he mention that to you ?.

 

yeah, define small...lol

 

More then 6 and less then 100 .

 

I could look it up but if anyone happens to know, how much is the 3yr / 4yr ext warranties directly from asus? Thanks in advance.

 

Several ASUS warranty links are posted on page# 1 of this thread.

 

The small shipments mostly are to cover RMA DOA replacements. The largest of tomorrow's shipment is going to ASUS HQ.

Another shipment is still expected on the 2nd of June.

Vicious will have his new W90Vp SOON!

 

I am curious if these new machines will have anything different inside them , maybe all this time in R&D will have payed off even though there supposedly canning the whole line . ugg its all so confusing .

 

Doubtful.

If they are in fact killing off this model, to accrue another expense in R&D for the new components and to stock those components for potential repairs would be a waste... especially if they knew that they were sh!tcanning the line from the jump.


I still just cant see them ending what could be a lucrative flagship. They cant even keep up with the demand... to drop the line completely is suicide for profit and reputation IMO. If you think about it, they might be losing money right now with the RMA situation, but after all of that time spent to fix the issue and get it right, what sense does it make to drop everything after that? Now you have a powerful system at an effective price, THAT WORKS! I just cant see them saying " OK... Spend as much time and money getting this right so we can ship out this last batch and then drop everything after we know it works properly."

 

Thats why im wondering if they put any new parts in it to finally remedy the RMA situation , they surely cant keep shipping these things back and forth for RMA's rather then have fixed the problem IE possible new parts.

Orion i just noticed your running an Intel chip in yours made for a mac ? lol guess i wasnt paying attention .

 

Wow I missed a lot being gone for a day....

So I successfully installed 601 using Winflash. CPU-Z shows 1.275V and 2537.9mhz. Turbogear still only offers to overclock 3% and 5%, when I pick 5% (as usual), I see 2653.5mhz and still 1.275V.

Vantage looks ok (P10278, GPU 10212, CPU 10484).

So far no problems. WoW has run fine for an hour or so.

 

Hmm 1.275 ? have you ever used SETFSB before ?. if you have that much voltage going to it then you should be able to crank it up abit higher then 3.0ghz stable. Mugenski reported his voltage remained the same with CPU-Z.

 

Well like I said earlier if this is EOL'd Ken Lee of GenTech and Jason of XOTICPC owe some explanations here. I honestly feel pretty mislead by them and ASUS, and will probably never do business with either of them again after this. Basically if there EOL'd I can never expect driver updates or BIOS updates...way to do business guys.

 

I understand exactly how you feel but at the same time if they have no clue then how can you lay any blame on them ? that part has me confused . If they didnt know like the rest of us then were all standing around together scratching our heads saying the same thing. Its definitely not some type of conspiracy lol thats for sure .

 

Agreed. And yeah, I dont really need the quad, as i dont do anything that requires more than the c2d. Just want higher FPS in games, so i opted for the higher clocked C2D. This thing was a steal @$225 shipped and imagine the overclock I get with this proc...

 

Im still wondering why they give so much voltage to the C2D and not the C2Q? Should be the other way around. Check mine... you all would love this voltage for the quad.

 

So I used setfsb to get myself to 3000.1mhz, still at 1.275V this time ended up with a vantage score of (P10750, GPU 10500, CPU 11576). I may try some more daring cpu clock speeds later.

Yeah Orion that's some nice voltage on your rig! I bet eventually we'll crack that nut for the W90.

 

You are assuming they did not know, I am not makeing that assumption.

 

Orion i know you could care less about 3dmarks based on your Sig but is there any chance you could run [email protected] .

 

Tried once, bluescreened on the CPU bit. I have only really run it @3.6 while copying some movies to my server and hit 16003. I can give it a couple of shots tomorrow and get back at you.

 

You're just effectively making the assumption that they did.

Unless you know either way, no one owes no one an explanation except for ASUS.

Yes, it sucks you may not receive a unit, but the price for all this hardware? I always thought
Asus was making razor thin margins as is.

 

Sounds good man thanks .

 

Yeah im still riddled how the reseller is to be blamed for any of this ? i think he is just upset and rightfully so id imagine, but yeah its all on Asus and if you want to never buy a product from them then fine , but Gentech or Xotic ? there not mind readers and i bet they actually knew about as much as we did because these decision's usually happen fast and without warning.

 

Yes, I am making that aassumption they did, especially recently. Considering a certian user on these forums kept insisting "rma..rma now" and led people to believe he was getting that info confidentially and his seeming close relationship with a reseller.....well, maby I drew the wrong conclusion..maby not.

As for not getting a unit, I already have one, my concern is no more updates of drivers, no win7 support, no bios updates......ya know standard stuff you expect when you drop 2k+ on something like a laptop.

No appologiers if I sound bitter..I am.

 

Yeah my replacement will be here soon!

What a load of drama on the board today.

What do I feel about this? Well first of all there was a genius post about 3 pages back that stated all the same facts that I would have noticed, I will just repeat most of it.

With the unit EOL nothing has really changed except you cant buy it anymore. Your warranty is still in effect and you still got the most powerful system for the money bar none.

Chances are they have some issues they could not easily or cost effectively resolve in the units and had to kill production to save what money they could. Can you blame them? If they are losing money they have to do something.

The resellers knew nothing about this, trust me on this one. Myself and many other forum members know the resellers and the situation this puts them in is worse than the one it puts you as a buyer in, they are the ones that are going to lose sales/money, no need to start a conspiracy theory now and make it worse for them.

Asus is incredibly good about warranty, there was a post a week ago a guy had his G1S die due to NIVIDA's defective GPU unit the 8600gt, so Asus sent him a brand new G50VP for $300!!! they only charged him the upgrade cost for a brand new unit with a new warranty and the GPU was defective due to Nviida, so they covered up for another companies mistake.

As far as the defective Nvidia fiasco, it effected most of the 8000 series, but it was supposed to be resolved in the 9000 series, so if you did get a unit with a GTX 260 or GTX 280 it should be in working order. The Clevo unit with the dual GTX 280 SLI for sure I think can out perform the W90 is some games but not by a large amount and the cost is not just a bit more, its insanely more, nearly double the price of the W90 when configured to similar specs. You would definitely fit the description "A fool and his money" if you gave up a W90 to "upgrade" to a M98.

There is nothing to cry over when you say EOL means no more bios updates or driver updates. For one thats not necessarily true but also because it was never the norm for new bios and drivers to come out. We always had to mod our own drives and will continue to do so.

Bios updates usually only come along to fix a problem, right now seems all problems are fixed. The QX9300 voltage being low is not a problem, if it didnt run that would be a problem, there is a difference from a machine working, and working the way you want it to having a higher than stock voltage for an insane OC is not standard its just something we want.

Win7 Support is also not something that they would be obligated to give you even if the unit was not EOL, units are sold to be compatible with the OS they include, there never was and never will be a un written promise to find a way for the hardware to work on a new OS. Lucky for you if you do want Win7 that the machine does work fine outside of the dual gpu issue, so only gaming is a problem, and we may just find a fix for it. I mean common Win 7 is not even out yet and wont be for quite some time!

 

I finally got windows 7 and new ati drivers working with crossfire. I will be posting aa guide tomorrow of how to get it working. GPUID shows crossfire enabled!

 

Awesome, I figured there was a way, just had no unit to test.

You got it figured out 100% for sure? I hope your guide is open ended allowing use of new drivers.

 

I'm looking forward to your fascinating guide

 

Just a quick update. I need to test games tonight. I want to make sure everything is ok.

 

The most accurate fool proof test is 3dmark Vantage, your score will be quite clearly cut nearly in half on just one card. Unlike a game that can take many things into factor and make one card perform similar to two.

You can run only the gpu tests if you have a registered version and skip the cpu portion to save some time.