*Official ASUS W90Vp Owners' Lounge*

It would be great if these were available at a retail chain except you would lose the automatic 2 year warranty , 1 year accidental and free overnight shipping for warranty work , in the end it would not be worth giving up all that IMHO. If you want to buy one from a place who has some sort of return policy just grab one from Xotic PC there site shows the end of the month which is not far away.

 

Isn't Alienware owned by Dell?

 

(Again from 99% of the US population)
-Naah, alienware is a very expensive brand, can't be Dell.

I bought two m1730s recently. Asus is too risky at this point. Altough I have spare 4gb sodimms and q9100 cpus, I am waiting for something that is cheaper to purchase and more profitable to sell.

 

Hmm I wonder why Asus doesn't support their product when sold through BB. I've been buying HP/Compaq from BB for years going through their warrenty and not using BB's.

As for buying the one from Xotic PC I would want to wait to see how the A1 are benchmarking before I make that choice. I don't have any use for the Bluray player and the extra hdd storage is not a concern either as I really only play 1 game at a time and format every few months anyways. I also have plenty of other drive space in external HDDS and my other 4 networked computers. The only other difference that I am aware of and I don't know that for me the quad is worth the extra money.

 

Your getting a bluray player and an extra harddrive as well, so its not just the quadcore and if you paid by cash/check whatever there discount pay is it equates to $100 bucks more if that, because they have free shipping .

 

Yeah I thought about it after I edited my post. So I edited it. The cost isn't much of a difference. But I would like to see how the A1 is benchmarking before I make that choice. As stated in the edit I don't need or really care for a BluRay player or the extra hdd space. My current rig has a 250 gig hdd and even after not formatting for a year I still have over 150 gigs available. I just don't need that much space. Especially considering with my other networked comps and external hdd's I have close to 3 terrabytes of storage avaliable in a pinch

 

them store warranties are pretty good actually. if you buy the 2 year and up ones. that cover all that stuff. bring it in and they can't fix it, they usually give you another one off the shelf. but come with the standard one year warranty and you may have problems after 90 days.. especially if it says 1 year limited warranty.

i hear ya alitunay.

dammn, i jinxed my self...i see a stuck pixel now...hummm it comes and goes.

 

mine seems to be red, but i cant see it right now. and yes im seriously looking hard!..lol

striker, you seen the new drivers right??

 

Is there any method to "unstick" a pixel? It'd be worth a try if there is.

 

Hello.

1) There seems to be a port labeled "ANT" on the cover hinge. What is that?

2) What is the chipset/model say in the devices for the Wireless card?

3) What is the chipset model/name of the Camera on the Hood?

4) What is the chipset model of the sound card?

Per chance have you installed Linux, a superior operating system yet?



-Hackus

PS: I usually DOWNGRADE my OS and boot into XP for Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance...a SUPERIOR game of intellectual and diabolical conquest. What is your frame rates please.

 

Yeah I usually buy them for everything but notebooks. For notebooks I use the hp warrenty for a year then buy the extended warrenty from hp or end up upgrading

 

Yeah you can try to message it gently with the tip of your finger and a cloth, also google for pixel fix programs that flash colors very fast on the screen.

I always do a monitor test as one of my first benchmarks to see how the gradients are, response time, and of course dead/stuck pixels.

 

Welcome fellow Linux user! I didn't have the chance to install linux on the w90 before it was RMA'ed. As soon as I get it back, and make sure it's properly stable, I'm going to install a second hard drive for linux. I prefer to have linux as my personal operating system (email, web surfing, instant messaging, etc.) and keep windows clean for games and CAD. I'll let you know how it runs and if there are any serious hardware conflicts once I get it back. BTW, I use Ubuntu.

 

ANT is for antenna if you have a TV tuner installed.

 

I believe though the whole screen is covered in glass, so massaging wont be an option in this case though, other wise it would have been a good suggestion.

 

As much as I may be annoyed at Asus, I'm not going as far as real_minime. The core of my computer (MoBo + GPU) is Asus branded and I couldn't be happier with those 2 parts.

I'm about to give these Catalyst 9.3's a spin and see how my Crysis benches improve. I was on 9.2's which were better than the 9.1's but both neither worked as smoothly as the 8.12 beta W7 drivers I'm on now. Since the 9.3's officially support 7, hopefully these are like buttah.

 

Your Vantage test appears to be only running 1 card. Actually same for your 3DMark06 runs also.

 

@striker
GPU core clock and memory clock displayed as 18MHz and 9MHz??

 

That's normal, mine shows it also.

Striker: I'm not sure why it's only running on one card. Run ATI CCC and see if it's enabled in there.

 

I had this problem one time on my desktop, it was a drivers issue. I had to reinstall the drivers or install different ones to fix it.

GPU-Z it shows both cards separately you should see a drop down box to tab over too the second card. Even in crossfire it does this.

Some games even with xfire on will show little gain, Crysis is the main game that comes to mind. I to this day still have not gained more than 5% boost from a single card on Crysis with crossfire, it simply works better with Nvidia SLI and its a Nvidia endorsed game.

 

For what it's worth, here is my solo 4870 1GB:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=896406

 

im sorry, i was talking about the new 9.3 driver.

jlbrightbill:
same here. i love my asus board. still have yet to take it to it's limits.

 

They just called me about my DOA RMA It got fully approved but they are out of stock. They expect to have more in on Tuesday and then they will ship it out to the Canada office by Thursday or Friday.

 

I've gotten 475 FSB on mine without touching the NB voltage or anything other than CPU voltage, so I can definitely say P5Q Pro's are good OC boards.

On topic: Striker, while only 1 GPU is running, now would be a good time to run a suite of game benchmarks to compare to Faisalhero's MSI GT725.

 

there is a nice benchmark program posted somewhere around here similar to the artifact tester. I'll run it when I get mine but it will 100% max out both cards if they are in crossfire and its a good way to test temps & stability. Monitor it with gpu-z.

I'll look it up later if I have time. Im on my little eee and not used to it lol.

 

jlbrightbill
formula maximus is my board.

single card test would be lovely

great program to test single or dual card in about 1 minute
http://downloads.guru3d.com/FurMark-v1.4.0-download-1965.html

 

furmark never loaded both cards for me on my desktop only 1 of them.

 

this version vicious?

 

no link?

I know where to find the new version , not sure if it changes anything. there were better tests out there anyways and furmark has an uncanny reputation for killing cards

 

Hey -=$tR|k3r=-, when you got your "replacement" unit, did it come in the same box as the first one? ie: the fancy black box with the W90 pics etc.

 

that link posted up above or this one.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/FurMark-v1.4.0-download-1965.html

that's because it will push your card to it's limits quick. no bs'n around there. so if you try to over clock to high, you will know it.

and the program runs based off of your system setup. although i think it has isses under certain versions of windows. like win7 for instance. i don't think i could run it.

what's this other program your talking about?

 

I dunno lol cause I d/led it to the g50v and i just sent it out. I have it in my backup files in my desktop probably but i am at work.

its like furmark or artifact tester it loads the cards to 100% but its supposed to be improved upon artifact tester to support crossfire/sli. AT is better than furmark because it tells you if it reads errors , you dont just have to see them. many times there are small errors in rendering that are not visible so a 2 hour run of AT with no errors means your good to go, and you can leave it on overnight or walk away without having to watch it.

artifact tester is part of ati tool - http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

 

Update on my rma: J.J called me today at around 4PST and told me that he has flashed my bios and running it now with no problems to be seen and benchmarking it n doing EXTENSIVE TESTING but aint gunna replace mine, i m happy with it as long as it works GREAT..hoping to receive it in around three to five days with their overnight shipping (They have not shipped it out yet, they are still testing and someone elses along with mine thats what he said. probably one of your guys' w90.)

 

will they be providing support in near future? (any idea)

 

thanks and same wishes for your second RMA.

 

Well Asus first said that they are woking on new drivers and now the bios flashing is working are they still going to release new set of drivers if not sure put this question forward

 

if your using modded drivers thats probably the problem, id install the stock drivers from scratch.

 

Every notebook is like that, including Nvidia based ones. Thats the entire reason sites like laptopvideo2go exsists, they take the desktop drivers and mod them so they can be installed on the mobile cards.

Reasons behind this are that several manufactures have some small differences in the cards be it clock speeds or enabled features or special bios files so that a general driver can not be guaranteed to work correctly.

Many notebooks have the video bios embeded in the system bios, not actually on the card itself so only the manufacture has full control and knowledge of appropriate drivers.

Not to worry there is a way to mod the drivers for mobile use though just like there is for nvidia.

 

in the device manager, is the second card disabled or enabled?

 

no, i will have to see you continuing 4 or 5 posts in a row, all just containing long fullquotes and your useless line of spam like LOL, Bro, ... mixed virtualy together.

well, kidding their customers is not equal to a typo in an ad.

btw: i made my experience with aw before, had some problems, 1.5 yrs with about 6 letters of complain and talked to very unqualified technical-support-members.

even had to involve a lawyer. directed my complain then to the ceo of alienware directly not that he was bothered with my concern, but they delegate my case down the line to someone with a better understanding of "costumer-satisfaction", and we found a very nice solution for the problem.... by now, iwhen i call them, i dont have to say any customer-no or account number, as they already memorised my name

so: i dont say, that you can not get a damaged product. but in the way, how the manufacturer reacts on your complain is important to me! it gives the company a big chance, to establish a good relation to the consumer -when handled right.

and in the same time, i as a customer have the chance, to decide which company i will support and give my money. praise the free marked and capitalimn.

here with asus things are different: they rushed a improper product to the marked, just to be the first with a more or less hd 4870 and to have a good marketing-campeign a few days before CeBit. They still not saying, WHAT was wrong with the first batch!
to me this you cant compare with a simple typo...

// oh: and i would never buy anything by dell itself, i have made bad experiences before.

 

the card can be disabled in like 3 place im thinking...
bios
ccc
device manager

and from what you posted it looks like the driver has been installed for both cards, correct?

 

Guys quick question, from those whom bought it very last, like a few days ago, any problems? Can I buy this thing "finally" on friday (newegg said they will have them in stock on friday and refunded me)?
I'm like on the very last straw here.... MSI G725 looks more and more tempting.

 

Do I count as an owner if I just pre-ordered my A1 from Xotic? XD

 

Nope

That would make you a future owner.

I justs pre-ordered mine from Gentech, for those waiting in line for X1's I think Gentech & Xotic should have the A1 in like a week, maybe less of a wait and I think a better investment of funds.

 

oh n striker:
youre going to send your 2nd machine back, are ya?
so youre not trying to fix the dead pixel?
who knows how long you have this machine - and what the next replacement will come out - who knows, so maybe you want
DPT 2.30 (Dead Pixel Tester)
give a chance?

i run dpt on every nb and monitor to check for dead pixels, its one of the first things i do. never had one before, but there is also a chance, that dpt can "repair" it.

link: http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt

hf

 

Very well, then. Also, Semper Fi, and all of that good business to you, sir.

I have a question, which will seem a bit retarded after already purchasing the laptop, but I've heard mixed things about the Q9000, that it's slow, and others saying it's just fine and dandy. I know that newer games support quad core, and obviously the A1 is more of a future laptop than anything. To be honest, I just want SC II and Diablo III on max settings, but I'm looking forward to run multiple processes at once too. I get confused by this dual core, quad core battle sometimes. Question is: Did I get the right processor, or should I have waited for an X1?

 

1st run of Vantage
CPU overclocked 10%

 

Im probably wrong on this part as i dont know enough about ATI cards but from looking at both cards, should one not have something different in the bios number/device id or something along those lines to indicate one is a master/slave? and maybe that is the problem, like 2 master cards installed ?.

 

Well its not a cut & dry answer its a mix.

In my professional opinion the quadcore cpu is better. Strictly in terms of raw power available and being more future ready it wins.

Something I plan to do is encode videos and it always maxes out all 4 cpu cores to 100% so the 2.8ghz dual core = 5.6ghz of total processing power maxed out and the 2ghz quadcore = 8ghz total processing power. Needless to say thats a big difference and it will show.

Then when it comes to overclocking everything is x4 instead of x2 so if you manage a 200mhz overclock for 2.2ghz on the quad your now up to 8.8ghz of power while the dual core would be at 6ghz.

So thats a best case scenario for the quad.

Now in games, and older programs that only use a dual core the faster dual has the advantage. Almost any program that needs cpu power is now multithreaded for quads, games however are not.

Most older games use only 1 or 2 cores. So the faster cpu has more to work with. The important factor here is how much cpu power is needed. In the example of rendering a video it will always push the cpu to 100% but in gaming most of the time the gpu is doing most of the work and the cpu has much less to do. In any situation where the cpu is not 100% the dual & quad will perform equal You can have a 5ghz dual core and a 2ghz quad core and as long as the game is still not using all 2ghz of the quad the dual is not going to give you even 1fps more.

Take that to the next level. your cpu is now at 100% you have reached a cpu bottleneck and this can/will limit the gpu's ability to render at its full speed. You would naturally think this is a BAD thing, but looking deep into it you have to look at where the bottleneck is taking place. If your 2ghz quad is maxed out 100% and your getting 70fps in the game while you do technically have a cpu bottleneck its not hurting the game performance at all, this is most prone to happen in an old game thats easy to render, the gpu will tear through it so easy pumping out so many frames that the cpu cant keep up.

if you had a 3ghz dual core that same game may run at 110fps instead, so the dual core on a benchmark chart is going to be performing better, in reality, in the game they will be exactly the same.

So the BAD kind of bottleneck will be if your sitting at like 30fps and you see the cpu maxed out, this is in the threshold where gameplay may be choppy if it drops any lower if the 2ghz quad is at 30fps and the 3ghz dual is at 40fps, it would be much desired to have the dual core.

Thankfully seems like every game played just fine 8months ago or so when dual cores were only 2ghz, so they will play just the same with the 2ghz quad.

Also thankfully Asus always has some kind of automatic overclocking program on these performance laptops. Just a push of a button and its going to be higher than 2ghz. I do not know how high yet but It will help if you ever find yourself in that situation where your in a game/program that can only use 2 cores.

The last example I want to use is games like supreme commander & fsx. these are AI & phisics heavy games. They both support quadcore cpu's and up to like 32cores. They both cant run well on a dual core really maxing out both cores easy. A quad core is almost required to play them with any decent settings. So the thing to notice is that a quad can step back and perform the majority of dual core tasks without problems, but if you find yourself in the situation that demands the quad core and you only have a dual core your screwed.

SC2 will for sure work on quad core and being that its a RTS its going to be CPU heavy just like Supreme Commander due to all the AI.

D3 I do not really know what to expect here but you should be fine.

If all else fails you can upgrade the q9000 to a better cpu the q9100 and qx9300 are both options. The X1 model coming stock with a dualcore may not be able to upgrade to a quad. Asus may deliberately lock the bios to only accept dual core cpus. Though if thats true we can probably hack it.

p.s. dont forget that in getting the A1 you also got better hard drives, a blue ray drive, and you can deal with your reseller if you have problems, you do not want to deal with newegg about problems....

 

Vicious, if I could make a .bat file to update your reputation every two seconds, it would be the sole purpose for the rest of my day. Thanks for the explanation, I now completely understand.