*Official ASUS W90Vp Owners' Lounge*

Thanks Quad, Im about to get ready for work here in a moment.

Cant wait to see what I can get for max stable OC, every mhz matters in some of the stuff I plan to do.

 

I just ordered mine today.

After a long painful process of trying to be satisfied ordering an XPS, I canceled that order. Hope the quad core and dual 4870's live up to the hype I've been hearing.

 

I bought a Barebones Whitebook Xfire to keep my components warm till I get a clearer picture on the M98/D900F and how they stack up against the W90Vp/NP5797 as #'s start to trickle and waiting on the release of the D900F/M98 before I pony up $3k+ (aka big boy purchase).

 

I've noticed, especially with the X1's on the market, they tend to stay up for sale longer and longer. It isn't like it is a limited run and that it won't be there again in a few days.

Eventually, Newegg might even drop it down to its actual MSRP of $1999.00.

 

same here...just waiting on the numbers to hit as well. i then can make up my mind... if it's gonna be a w90 or m980nu or just keep what i got.

 

I've noticed, especially with the X1's on the market, they tend to stay up for sale longer and longer. It isn't like it is a limited run and that it won't be there again in a few days.

Eventually, Newegg might even drop it down to its actual MSRP of $1999.00.

Stay strong Pony Boy.....the D900F and M98NU will be upon us shortly along with hopefully some 4870 GDDR5's (yeah right).

 

honestly i hope they do come out with these gddr5 cards. so we can see what they really do in a mobile environment

 

We think alike my friend.

 

if i could push this fsb to 1600 mhz on this...i wouldn't even bother looking at a new lappy for a while. that's a big plus with the w90. 1664 fsb

 

i think i can break 1333 on mines(cpu) but i dont remebered what program i used to see that.

never mind this program is buggy. my clock speed isnt at 4ghz. i wish it was.

 

how did you work that one?

 

i don't know with my multiplier at 12. i think it's math is alittle off. i tried to go go to 13(3.5ghz) but i bluescreen during start up. i am now at 12.5(3.33ghz) lets see how far i get.

in rmclock the .5 multipliers arent visable which i am mad at because i could of undervolted it. i have to look for a new program.

 

crystalcpuid...give this a try. it has .5
http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html

 

thanks trying now. i just ran 3dmark but i forget to install ccc. how smart was that.

 

My desktop won't boot much over 1900 MHz FSB, crazy to think it does even in that ballpark though.

 

Im up to 2.7ghz on the Q9000

Just about 15000 on 3dmark06 and 15 seconds on WPrime.

I should go do some crysis runs to see if those numbers go up.

 

hahaha. we all make mistakes..

to say the least! very impressive indeed!

what are the numbers showing for 2.0/3.0?

 

Noice. I need that setFSB you are using.
Quad, are you still offering those?

 

Well Crysis DX10 stayed exactly the same, something is wrong with my game or install. I noticed why my bench scores are low. The first half off the DX10 bench for the first loop only is a slide show, magically it picks up to double speed half way through and stays faster for all the next loops.

DX9 went up! all maxed out 40fps average!

From W90 Benchmarks

Going to do a 3dmark06 again and note the scores.

3dmark06 total score 14800

individual scores:
2.0 5610
3.0 7359
cpu 3965

3dmark06 is and has been more of a cpu benchmark for the last year and a half for high end systems, 1280x1024 is so low of a resolution. My dual 4850's on my desktop are still held back on a 3.6ghz quad core, and for somebody to get 20k on this machine they needed 4ghz.

So really 3dmark06 should be more of for fun than any serious benchmark this day and age. the higher two vantage settings should hold some merit 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 its a shame they do not have a 1920x1080....

 

check you ccc settings against the game settings. make sure they are set to let application decide. this is only if you haven't done so already.

individual scores:
2.0 5610
3.0 7359
cpu 3965

14,800 not to bad for a 2.0 ghz quad.

3dmark06 is and has been more of a cpu benchmark for the last year and a half for high end systems, 1280x1024 is so low of a resolution. My dual 4850's on my desktop are still held back on a 3.6ghz quad core, and for somebody to get 20k on this machine they needed 4ghz.

So really 3dmark06 should be more of for fun than any serious benchmark this day and age. the higher two vantage settings should hold some merit 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 its a shame they do not have a 1920x1080.... <!-- / message --> <!-- sig -->

that's why we bench this at high resolution as well. benching 1280x1024 is a speed contest, nothing more. i only do the low stuff because that's where everyone seems to want to stay at.
and they do have 1920x1080....if you paid for it and your inf file has it listed as a resolution

 

Congrats on your overclocks Vicious

And Gothicaliegh i thought i sent you version d of the Setfsb ?.

 

I have a retail vantage, not installed yet thing is I can run 1920x1080 but with no score to compare it too its uselesss.

About overclocking. SetFSB and TurboGear do not mix.

I got 2.7ghz stable with no overclocking in turbogear. If i overclocked first in turbogear I would just freeze up when using setfsb.

however going from normal to 15% overclock in turbogear raises the cpu voltage from 1.163v to 1.238v.

In CPU land thats pretty substantial probably enough to get me to 3ghz my goal, and I just discovered that I can overclock with setfsb first and then turn on overclock mode but one or both of the programs refuses to open when I start doing this so I cant change it now. So I get one shot to get it right.

There is a very realistic possibility I never hit the cpu limit at 2.7ghz but rather the ram limit. Since we are pumping the fsb its also overclocking the ram.

 

really. so if i put my multiplier to 12(3.2ghz) and use setfsb to overclock i can get even higher because my ram is 1333? running 3dmark now at standard.

 

No 3ghz for me almost postive its the ram.

Divider is 4:5 if only I could change it to 1:1 as I crap out instantly at a certian FSB and I am positve its not the cpu since the cpu is not under load and full stable just a few mhz back.

So my best right now is this 2.85ghz wprime of 14seconds

From W90 Benchmarks

I consider 2.7ghz to be really stable, the real test will be a 2 hour long x264 video encode.

 

From 2.0 to even 2.7 is pretty remarkable and more so on a quad .

 

very nice!

now use memset to adjust the memory timings to compensate

 

Linky?

though I would much rather change the divider using 1:1 would also give a small boost in intense tests like wprime.

AMD has a tool that can do that stuff on windows but I think its due to the mem controller being controlled by the cpu.


Speaking of 3ghz, Soviet in the for sale section has is OEM Q9100 for $330 its a steal. Thing is I know most of us if we are going to upgrade want to go directly to the QX9300 myself included but since as how I am out of funds that price tag is tempting. With an extra 1 on the cpu multi making it 8.5 I should hit 3ghz pretty easy. My suicide 380fsb would put that cpu at 3.2ghz.

But this 2ghz q9000 is doing me just fine, I think I will wait for a dirt cheap qx9300 to show up or just keep this cpu until the next series of better quads is out, with luck maybe they will work in this motherboard.

 

get memset here: http://www.tweakers.fr/memset.html

you can adjust your timings..likely need to loosen em a touch.

 

im grasping at straws here...but if you just change the timings either slightly faster or slower and see what happens.... in this case...i wouldn't know which way would be better, but it may help balance the system out..speculation of course

what up E!

 

Here is more tidbits for you guys, here is your video bios clocks:

From W90 Benchmarks

One of my speculations is correct the low 3d and high 3d has different ram timings and they should be the same to prevent screen flicker. I have one small issue I usually see only in game menues when the cards would be prone to swap from high and low 3d back and forth, so I may be editing my bios soon to see if I can fix it.

Also this is a big step in maybe using new drivers, I can pretty much tell the cards they are desktop cards and the drivers should install.

last but not least looks like we may be able to up the voltage and this could lead to higher overclocks. Infact thing I may just go break something now

If you dont see me for the rest of the night you know why lol.

 

now this is what nbr is all about! getting down to some serious numbers!

 

Well the bios rip and bios flash both worked, I changed the clocks to something lower rather than higher for testing, made the low 3d and high 3d ram speed 600mhz.

Upon reboot I was @ 600mhz one one card vs the default 200.

That means it works. However opening firefox put me into a white strob light screen of death mode

Maybe one of the speeds was wrong or maybe because we have two cards I need to flash them both.

Luckly I was able to flash back and im ok. I need to find my dos flash utilities and write down the steps to blind flash both cards incase I mess up bad enough to not be able to flash back in windows. Most people say never flash in windows but I have never had a problem with it.

Should be easy to break the overdrive overclock limits too, but with care as there was a "bug" in some newer ATI drivers where you just get a black screen of death if you go past those limits. They say it was a bug but I almost know for sure ATI did it on purpose as it worked fine in older drivers.

 

i would only tamper with the main clocks first. the main clocks are easier to get away with moving...get to messing with that 2d and 3d stuff and things tend to have issues....not saying it cant be done because it can, but you will have to go through quite a few black screens to figure it out im sure...

 

I totally forget what program and how I flashed in dos mode lol, its been awhile.

I remember doing this in the past I had like a 27 step blind flash i wrote down on a piece of paper.

Wait 5 seconds Hold X _ X
press up 15 times
press enter

lol...

I just asked BAGGZlash the creater of the bios editor for a bit of insight, if anybody knows if its as simple as renaming the cards ID to a desktop version for a driver install he would be the one, he also maybe can tell me whats up with the clocks being different for high/low 3d.

anyways I am gone for a bit I have work I need to do, should be back in a couple of hours if anybody is still up (or waking up)

 

aight. you know if you post it we will read it... take care.

 

I flashed again both cards this time to match the ram speed for low & high 3dclock and it did not fix my problem. So I think I have a duff video card or something.

No other user has reported the issue. No big deal, thats one of the main reasons I got mine from Gentech as Ken always takes care of RMA for me if I need one.

I should take a video of it so you guys can see it, it almost always only happens in a game menu screen part or all of the screen just "bounces" to the left almost like the monitor went out of sync for a second. I thought it was part of the menu effects at first because games like deadspace already have a pretty trippy menu screen but warcraft 3 for sure told the story nice and clear.

I cant wait to hear back from BAGZZlash about if its save to rename the card bios to another card model to trick the drivers into installing.

I think as long as you uninstall the current drivers first it should be ok.


The great think of knowing I am going to RMA is I can feel a bit more free to test things and not worry about making something blow up.

 

Cant change the CAS# the most important one its locked at 5 so this tool is not going to help much.

If I could have changed it to 7 isntead of 5 there was a good chance I could have gotten much higher.

 

Can't wait to see where this takes you Vicious!!!!!

 

Well since I am so <s>Impatient</s> Adventurous I took the leap of faith. I flashed the cards as desktop 4870's.

Upon reboot I had picture, so I had hope. GPUz told me I had a "generic ATI display adapter" I figured thats fine since I did not have drivers installed yet.

I ran the 9.14 display adapter isntaller and it gave me no option to install the display driver.

I tried to manually do it via the device manager and windows kept telling me I have the most up to date driver already.

So the bad news is it did not work, but the good news is I am still on the W90.

 

Any news at this point good new +rep for the bravery

 

did you edit the inf file to match all the bios stings first, before trying to install the 9.14 driver?
then flash both cards as master and not slave. praying on the "maybe fact" that the mother board will tell the cards which one is which.
and while your at it...boot your computer a few times trying a series of key combos to see if the motherboard has a crysis recover option. no one has seem to confirm or deny this as of yet.

 

windows only saw one card after the flash, luckily the bios flash program still saw both.

the reason I flashed the cards though was so that you would not need to edit the .inf at all.

im not so sure about flashing both as master, considering there are explicit instructions to never do that

 

there explicit instructions to not flash any cards at all...technically..

1:well, one of your cards is already a master to start with.
2:no one knows for sure if it's a slave/master bios - if they do, i stand corrected. because this is speculation on my part.
3:no one knows for sure if it's a slave/master motherboard - if they do, i stand corrected. because this is speculation on my part.
4:flashing clocks would not do it, but flashing the string id might, but then you would have to input some other code to do it. a standard flash would come back as an error saying something like the device id's don't match. something like a fail safe against flashing the wrong id's.(nvidia has this, not sure about ati)
5: the inf should match the card id exactly.
6: and it should have two entries...this part is kind of tricky im thinking.... because im not sure if it should say secondary display or be identical as the primary. and since im not looking at an ati dual card video bios...im not sure....

example:
"ATI Radeon X1950 GT" = ati2mtag_R580, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7288
"ATI Radeon X1950 GT Secondary" = ati2mtag_R580, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_72A8

also: do both cards have the exact same numbers all round....

 

It is a slave/master bios they have different checksums

 

what do you mean by different checksums?

 

Meaning the bios is not the same for both. on my desktop both my 4850's have the same bios & checksum. On the w90 they are different and if you try to flash one to the other it will fail unless you force flash it, and you should never do that.

If a checksum does not match it basically means that bios did not come from that card (type)

What it is starting to look like is this really is a 4870X2 not 4870's in crossfire, just that for the sake of how it fits into a notebook they are not on the same pcb.
The bios says its like this, as this is how 4870X2 bios files look, its also more tricky to work with.

 

yeah, none of that stuff would have stopped me....only thing out of all that that would have would be...if i wasn't able to blind flash the cards back to factory.

easy way to find out.
take out one card and boot your system with the same card in each slot.
then try the other card. if it's a slave card, it shouldn't boot at all. (speculation of course)

 

Well I have something evily cool for everybody. Quad worked with the creator of Setfsb and gave us a way to overclock the cpu past the stick turbo gear limits.

So I will follow up and give you the opposite.

I give you the method to overclock the GPU past ATI Overdrive limits!

From W90 Benchmarks

I raised it to a new limit of 800/1100 from 600/900

I'll test it for awhile and then create a .zip with the files needed and post the directions.

This will probably benifit the dual core owners more as they have more cpu overhead to work with, im already maxing out every game with the stock clocks but hey this can be the difference form #1 benchmark and #100

 

this is all very beneficial!. this is why we have been in this thread all along. waiting for someone to raise the bar on performance. we knew it was possible, just needed some one to push it..

 

Im stable for a crysis bench at 610/955 it crashed on me when I tried 650/955

the ram is usually much more important though, and I can maybe raise the vcore up also and that can work wonders, I got over 100mhz more on the 4850's when I raised the vcore.