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with hardmod or softmod?

 

softmod via bios.

I could probably do a hard mod but the cooling of even the w90 is not going to be up for the task with a overclock worth doing.

 

hey vicious,i am try to flash my slave card into a master. but no matter what i do it doesnt work.

 

Vicious, or any other owner, do you have any 17" notebooks laying around? It'd be nice to see a picture of them together, for size comparisons.

 

not sure what program your using but all you have to do is click the check box for forced flash and it will flash anything to anything, for better or worse.

Im using the newest version of winflash.

 

Don, there's no need to.

Vicious; nice to see someone has balls. Thank you. You mentioned changing timings on the VRAM, but you referred to it as the gpu clocks? I may be confused, but there is a difference. The timings are just like RAM timings, CAS latency etc. What's that have to do in regards to the Clock speeds of 2d/3d and hi/lo? You want the cards to be able to drop clocks or they'll burn out. I'm sure ya know that. Anyhow, the ID string being changed isn't going to make a difference when it comes to drivers. I assure you, as it's a bigger problem than that when it comes to updating the drivers. It code 43s you on the secondary exactly like the 4k series does on some desktop mobo/gpu combinations. 8.12 had a hotfix for the x58 mobo for the exact same reason. It's a hardware comparability issue, which goes deeper than ID strings. I'm just trying to save you some time there. But, I do like the idea of bumping the stock Hi 3d clocks for some wicked performance. I noticed the vcore is 1.1v max at default.. But you can bump to 1.2 - that should let you send the clocks thru the fkin roof! Anyhow, glad we now have some folks here who actually are capable of pushing the rig and gaining the full potential this system has to offer. You and Quad both keep up the good work

 

I covered all the VBIOS info several weeks ago, and everyone's acting like it's new info.

 

Oh, and just to clarify to john.. It is a master and slave.. Quad and I verified the other day. Aside from BIOS size, and checksum being different, one BIOS is tagged "S" and the other "M" when viewed thru the editor.

Vicious: I'm pretty sure the Asus mobo BIOS has kernel infoin regards to the GPU cards/ID strings which it is compatible with. If not recognized and matched then vista won't recognize the card properly either, which is likely why it only installs as Standard VGA. (educated speculation of course) Also, you mentioned some screen flickering when loading into certain games. That's normal. The cards are just syncing, sometimes the screen may flash rapidly, appear to tear, maximize and minimize rapidly, or flicker.. It can last from 2-5 seconds while switching into fullscreen mode. It shouldn't continue after loading and syncing tho.

 

So you're using the RBE + Winflash method? I've been trying to get the latest Winflash to work on my system. It just stalls as a background process everytime I run it.

Do you see any performance gains when you up the clocks? I remember quadzilla not noticing anything, and then ther are the MSI guys who got upto 1100+ with memory clocks.

Also, some cards just won't flash at all. It'll just give an error right after you hit the flash button with the force flash option. This was the case with one of the 3870s I had.

 

What are you expecting then ???? MAKE IT RUN @ 1.2VOLTS !!!

Anyone could upload the vbios? thx

 

voltages are locked/hardcoded for ATi cards.

 

in the bios screenshot it says "selectable" ....

 

That was exactly my point. That option wasn't available on the 3870s. It caught my attention quick-like.

 

thanks E. because i couldn't remember for sure.

DramaFoYoMama : not acting like it's new info, but at the same time...we we're more on the part where THEY got the setfsb working and stable.

and with the vbios stuff...it has to be hashed over and over and over again till some one makes that final break through or just gives up. the more peope looking at the same thing, the better chance there is to finding an answer...
and of course, no one is taking anything away from what you contributed! and just in case i forgot...thanks for all you have done!

 

John, I was just busting everyone's chops! I'm bored at work and am neffing to get people to come in and post. I wasn't looking for any thanks.

 

yeah.....i know.

just letting you know it's still appreciated.

off topic
i was just looking at your machine...still for sale i see.... any serious takers?

 

which screenshot?

edit: nevermind I saw.

Those are the available stages and you can't change them. I tried this when flashing the 3870s. For instance, I tried changing the 1.2 preset value to 1.23 and it changed it back to 1.2.

 

Post #3876

 

what about when you forced flashed it...it still didn't change?

 

nope, stayed the same.

 

hummm, not sure how to run with that one striker.

oem from a reseller it would be 1 year..maybe but at the same time im thinking most of their cpus are retail. (mobile cpus don't come with heat sinks or fans in a retail box.)
retail box being 3 years typically
es = azzed out (14 to 30 days)
qs = partially azzed out (14 to 90 days warranty from seller)

add info:
just a thought... has anyone installed the os first, then installed sp1 then tryed to install the vga driver last? this may yield different results..(speculation)

 

Would changing Ram to low latency one change anything in performance?

 

Obviously no warranty on ES samples (shocker, lol).

The rare, few times, I've actually sent OEMs for swapping (one time I sent one in because the pins were bent upon arrival, and I figured, "Ah, worse that will happen is they will send it back...), they actually swapped them.

The only difference I could tell, with an OEM CPU, was you send it back to the seller, they send it to Intel, Intel swaps it, sends it to Seller, Seller sends it back to you.

I found out the direct route worked just as well with an OEM chip that simply would not boot a year ago T7xxx. I've only seen a few CPUs die in the last 10yrs, and they were OEM and Intel replaced them.

I just followed the retail channel warranty, escalated it, and all was well.

I wouldn't even dream of sending in an ES, lol.....obviously you know that's a done deal.

Just remember, not trying is the same as being told no.

 

man, i knew i wasn't crazy!!

of course on the es..lol.. i was just saying you'll be lucky to get 14 days from the seller. they only like to give 7 days at best. lol

 

may I ask you please: Why are you selling it? Is it not powerful enough for you? Or something you don't like about? Thank you. [email protected] I'm just about to buy the one with blue ray, so I appreciate any info. thanks

 

Not all cards, I raised the vcore on my desktop 4850's by bios mod and it increased there overclock limit but a pretty substantial amount (and heat) problem here is that my quad core even at 2.7ghz is not really enough to take advantage of clocking them that high and the notebook while good at cooling these cards I am not sure if it will handle the added voltage.

Thats the best way to confirm easily it works though, do a max temp torture test now with it stock and then reflash with the higher voltage I will see alteast a 3c gain in temps if it works.

 

Did you enter a custom value or did you pick one of the pre-selected values?

 

Wont matter, there is only a max that the hardware can get/deliver you could put 500v in there and it would still get only the max amount, and there is only set values that pick up also like 1.9v may still pull say 1.5v while the 2v setting would pull the 2v amount.

In the case of these cards according to the built in bios they can pull 1.2v a .1v increase over the 1.1v of the high 3d clock.

 

That's what I meant. They have pre-selected options. It won't allow you to set a custom value (i.e setting it to 1.24 when there is an option for 1.2).

 

.1v is enough to push your clocks well over 600, that's a huge increase in GPU world.

I wonder if these cards have the VT1165 like their desktop reference counterparts, if so, you can softmod it to change the hardcoded voltage register.

 

So.. Anyone posting some benches with Setfsb? And how's the flashed GPUs holding up?

 

Well I redid crysis & 3dmark06 with my cpu " 2.7ghz I got 14800 on 3dmark06 but my games are showing almost exactly the same results with the gpu overclocked. So I think in benchmark world the cpu is not fast enough and a 4870x2 is more than enough to destroy these games, dont get this confused with actual gaming world though where 60fps is the magic number. Were are looking at over 200fps in some games.

If I did not post it already my best run so far is 2.85ghz for Wprime getting me 14 seconds:

From W90 Benchmarks

I'll toss my Vantage disk in my bag to run tonight at work, also need to do cinebench, and maybe a few other things.

 

pretty sick Vicious.. did you run any games with the GPUs OC'd?

 

that's an impressive overclock with a 1500+ mhz fsb.

When you OC'd the GPUs, were you at 1.1v or at the 1.2v stage?

 

Crysis & DMC4

Both seemed like they stayed close to the same place. Only a few fps higher. with my clocks at 610/955

 

Still 1.1v and the 2.7ghz OC on the CPU was without the voltage increase from turbo gear also. I think my cpu can do over 3ghz but my ram is holding me back from anything higher.

Im an enthusiast so would love to drop some higher rated ram in there to test but dont have the money

I should open up a donations thing

 

could be voltage, but doubtful seeing that quadzilla had the same problem with his cards (no noticeable gains in performance).

As for ram, I'd go with either OCZ or G.skill PC2-6400 Sodimms.

 

something about the ATIs..they never gave me a HUGE boost when OC'd.. unless I pushed em to the point where I was worried I'd fail the vdeo drivers. Good thing about ATI, if the video driver blows out during DX9/10, it automatically re-initiates. So.. an idea. If you have vantage, push the GPUs there and record stock vs. OC'd #s. I think you'll see more of a difference. anyhow.. I look forward to more excitement

 

On a side note.. the Cat 9.4 package is now available.. Im amazed at how MANY problems exist with Vista and Win7 under their "Known issues" section:


http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/Catalyst_94_release_notes.pdf

 

Ya no go Wrecked on the 9.4s same old Code43 crud . I guess this is not only an ATI issue but an nvidia issue as well and very wide spread just in the laptop world its very new . SLI users and Crossfire users have been plagued by this issue for quite sometime depending mostly on the motherboard your using it seems .Nvidia said they have a fix coming at the end of april for it and according to ATI it was addressed in 9.1 i believe, but not in all instances clearly. ahh well back to the drawing board as i have been spending all my free time trying to get other drivers to work and everything has taken a back seat because i know how important it is to everyone, but im afraid ive run out of ideas and dont feel or want to go back to XP just to have the latest drivers.

 

well..check this out:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1308807&postcount=21

This is full thread:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=90580

Anyhow.. 8.11 seems to be the one with the LEAST issues.. hence, Asus releasing 8.11 with the system

 

sad sad sad you would think newer = better but it usually mean more better but with more trouble

 

Here is a Single card run@ very high with 9.4 Dx10 etc




Now scroll to the bottom of this page and you can see Justins run on the 5797 with a 280mgtx and Qx9300 OC

Scroll to bottom

http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=3919




Guess ATI aint doing to badly . I cant run 1920x1200 so there will be a difference in the final score but not sure i would lose 4 fps going up to WUXGA and im not running a Quad

 

looks good

quad what can you OC upto ?

 

Well I am close but not there with the drivers. I do not get any crazy errors just a "this drive is not meant for vista" something along those lines.

 

3284 mhz and i can only get setfsb to 3300mhz before my machine craps out.

So im just using turbogear for the time being .

 

for a t 9600 thats good

my t9400 only makes it to 3200 before crapping

 

Well installed vantage and... all I get is massive artifacts lol.

The loading screen does that "bounce" thing I was talking about really bad and when the bench starts its really badly artifacted. Im at stock clocks too.


I think its a strong sign of a bad card, the strange thing is I can go play crysis without a single problem or all my other games too. So maybe the benchmark is messed up, seems like the BR drive did not like my vantage disk it had trouble reading it even though its scratch free.

I guess I should reboot or something and see if that fixes it.

 

looking good on them cpu over clocks!!

 

Vicious..wanna be a test dummy?

Flash both GPU boards to Master... then:

Download these for 9.4: http://ewrecked.darksmileysystems.com/ATI94Asus4870.zip

Also, download the 9.4 driver package, not the cat package.. JUST the drivers.. and replace the .infs with mine in the packages/driver/display/LH6A_inf folder. Then use have disk method to update the GPU drivers..

I have a feeling those cards truly are having conflicts cause of the x2 agenda.. but as 2 masters in crossfire, it may work fine.