Asus CONFIRMED 8600m GT's in G1S are affected by nvidia fiasco

has anyone had any success changing the pre-rendered frames under the Nvidia control panel? It's seems to complete solve my gpu issues which I thought were heat related.

 

Yeah I mentioned that one earlier though like no one gave attention to it, my CPU load temperature dropped down 3-4C when using Pre-render frames = 1.

 

If the Windows looks like it's booting, then it's either the LCD or the GPU. To test, plug an external monitor and reboot. If you see an image, the problem is the internal LCD, otherwise, it's the GPU.

In the US, people report turnarounds shorter than that, on the order of a few days.

 

Hey is this the setting? Btw reps for you again if i can, Been helping G1S owners for a long time with good input.

 

Spoke to live support online and this is how it went for those that are curious:

Asus> Good Morning

Me> Morning

Asus> How may I assist you?
Me> My laptop died yesterday, seems to be a video problem

Me> of course with all the articles online about defective nvidia gpus (which i think this is the case), i'm wondering how the replacement works

Asus> you would need to send that computer in

Asus> we will replace the mainboard.

Me> Does it get replaced with the same 8600gt part?

Me> I've had this laptop for 8 months and i use it for school and work (and i start school on monday) and of course i would like to make sure that the chances of it failing are a little less

Asus> yes

Me> So i just have to hope that when it fails again its within warranty?

Asus> eventhough it's the same part, revisions on the chip has yielded better cooling capabilities compared to the original 8600

Me> ok

Me> So its actually a new revision of chip and not a bios flash or anything?

Asus> it is

Me> Ok good, I was hoping for an improvement like that. Thanks

Me> With better cooling capabilities, it is still prone to the same failure problem if it were to get that hot though is what your saying?

Asus> it runs cooler so it's not prone to the overheating issue of the first generation

Me> Ok thanks for your help, off to call in to arrange rma

Asus> you're welcome, please call us anytime we are open 24 hours

Now its time to call in and hope it gets fixed in a timely manner.

 

Yeah, that's it.

 

Got it back... Rev A2 chip on it

 

kick ***. how are the temps now? To get accurate readings, its best to set your OLED to display temps so you can look at them while you play a game.

 

How are you checking? GPU-Z says that my GPU is a Rev A2 as well but I purchased my G1S 12+ months ago...

 

I recently sent in my G1s for RMA due to a dead motherboard. In return I got the newer but worse 9500gs but I still have the same T7500C2D. The cover for the cpu doesn't fit perfectly now and the service person at the repair centre said it is due to the different heatpipe design for the G1sn motherboard.

 

I think I might make some people jealous in here but.. I was having the same issue as all of you, G1S would always skip and be unplayable in games once it hit a certain temperature (and it would always hit this temperature in a short time).

Anyway, I had it in for repair about 4 times, twice motherboard replaced. Never did a thing.

So, this time I was a bit more forceful, and loah and behold I get a brand new laptop.. I'm now the owner of a ASUS M50VM-B2, the specs are in my signature. The GPU in it is a tad weaker then the 8600M GT GDDR3, but the rest of the specs make it faster..

The best part? This thing has the best heat management system of any laptop I've ever used. The GPU is hot at 60-65C max, and there's only one exhaust on the left side of the laptop. It's absolutely incredible. It's far, far superior machine versus the G1S.

If any of you get this problem that persists, I suggest going my route. You may not be as successful as me, but don't settle for a defective machine.

 

You sent in a G1S and got back a G1Sn?

 

they escalated my case to management (or so they say) but i've heard nothing back from them yet, been about a week... i flat out refuse an 8600m replacement. you dont fix a problem with another problem.

how is the.. "A2" revision?

 

Sort of, I now have a G1s with a G1sn motherboard.

 

hahahaha, I said a few pages back that I hope they would swap out my 8600m for a 9500m if my machine died and sgtmatt1 laughed at me for it. Seems I wasn't so off about that >;-)

 

Hey do you mind posting an GPU-z pic of your 9500M GS?
Because I'm thinking about sending mine back since I've complained to my dealer, and I want to see what you mean by "worst" compared to the 8600M GT Thanks in advance!

 

The 9500m is not worse than the 8600m. Out of the box, they both perform the same. In fact, when overclocked, the 9500m is typically 25% faster than the 8600m. It can go much higher because it runs cool enough to overclock so much more.

 

Nice..mind posting up a ss of it in GPU-z?
I just wanna make sure of the specs before sending it in

 

Here is the GPU-Z for the 9500m gs.

 

The tech stats there make it seem weaker, but due to its better architecture, after an overclock its actually much sicker.

 

Thanks dude, have you tried OCing? And how does it feel compared to the 8600 other then the temp?

 

I've tried overclocking it already, and I can reach core speed of 600 and memory speed of 500. On 3Dmark06 I got about 4.4k. In normal usage, it feels a bit slower than the 8600 maybe because of its ddr2 memory, but in general its still a pretty good card.

 

...by setting the pre render to 1 frame from 3 my video card actually went above 90, not gonna do that again.

 

hmmm with my 8600 Gt ddr3 i can go on 3Dmark06 to 5200 , I have a friend with a 9600 GT in stock he has 4400 ... , with the same cpu result has I .

 

The 9600M GS (1GB DDR2) in my M50VM-B2 (replacement given to me by ASUS for the G1S), is weaker then the 8600M GT DDR3 found on the G1S, so the 9500M GS is definitely weaker as well.

I think as others have pointed out, the main difference is the memory, DDR2 vs DDR3. With GPU's that makes a huge difference, I remember reading comparisons when the G1S came out of it versus the 8600M GT's with DDR2 and it just obliterated them.

I get about 3.7k base in 3dMark06 at 1280x1024, which is slightly slower then the G1S, however the card in gaming real-time is actually much faster. Why? Because it produces a fraction of the heat the GPU in the G1S did (primarily because the G1S had a horrible thermal management design) and that results in far smoother framerates, no skipping due to heat, etc.

So, for the G1S, getting a model with the 9500M GS would be a great idea. It may not score as high as the 8600M GT in 3dMark06, but trust me when you actually start playing games you'll notice a big difference.

 

arr..but it has the same specs :S

I, really dont mind the heat since I usually play with a controller and in a pretty cool room, but do you think the 9500 can OC to the specs my 8600 can reach?

I can OC the 8600 to 580/1160/820 and have it run for atleast 45min w/o frying it :S I think the peak temp was 120C or around that..

 

I haven't tested the overclocking capacity, but from what I've heard it's pretty good, can go far.

My card maxes out at 65C right now, at full load. In a cool room it's around 60C. What it would be on the G1S with the 9500M GS I don't know though.

 

Could you give us some more details about how you got your replacement?

What steps did you take, how long did you have your G1S prior to replacement, etc

Thanks.

 

this thread probably explains why my first graphics card melted...

i never knew it was so widespread.

 

At last, RMA !!!!!! why didnt you demand for a g50?????
anyway how do we get a replacement notebook?
do we have to kill our machines?
should we play crysis warhead until our video dies on us?

 

Wow, I just read through this and had not heard about this problem until today. I've noticed from the beginning that my G1s will get very hot when playing a game and right now it is idling at 77*C according to Nvidia monitor (normal?).
How hot is too hot for the G1S, and if I have damaged the system in any way due to excessive heat, will it be obvious?

 

alright man last question, do you regret them upgrading it? Cause I'm kinda caught in between..I want the performance..but dislike the heat :S

that's what mine was ideling at before I cleaned the vents, I'm sure the G1s can handel up to atleast 120C, thats the farthest I've gotten xD

 

after drilling some holes in the CPU plate and removing black tape, my GPU idles at 59c

It used to idle at 67c

Even in Crysis Warhead, it never gets above 90c. However, in The Witcher Enhanced, it gets to 97c.

 

Are you the guy that put a vent in the back cover? That was one of the crazier mods that I didnt even think about attempting..lmao

 

That mod was originally posted here by ViciousXUSMC.

 

I don't really mind getting the 9500m, I was worried that I have gotten a slower card in the first few days, but afterwards I found out performance differences are slim. So in general, I'm quite happy with it.

 

oh, my bad

lol nice xD
I guess I wouldn't regret it, what games do you usually play?

 

I'm debating as well if i should RMA my G1S for the newer GPU. My GPU has been acting wierd lately.

 

Ok, sorry for the wait.
I checked that rev A2 in gpu-z, didn't get much of a chance to check temperatures because here continues the saga of the boned G1S-B2.
I used the laptop at school all day, got home, plugged it in, copied some files over the network and went out for the evening.

When I came home, the laptop was off. I pressed the power button, nothing (not a click, no lights, NOTHING). After trying various combinations of a/c, battery numerous times it finally turned on and booted into windows. It complained of a BSOD and I checked the event log and something was up with ACPI. I exported the log to a network drive and not 30 seconds after i did that, the laptop turned off again. Once again after many power combinations, i got it to power on, it got to where i could choose safe mode or start normally. The screen turned off (backlight) and nothing else happened (other lights remained on). I had to unplug it to power it off (yes I held the button for 10+ seconds).

I had to push the asus tech support guy on the phone to convince him it was a hardware problem. ie "I don't care what OS this has on it, its not my windows that causes this. I took the harddrive out and it still didn't boot!"

So they sent me a prepaid box to ship it in and sent it out a week ago friday (9 or 10 days ago)

I called today wondering what was going on with my laptop, as now i'm approaching 1/3 of the way through the semester with no laptop to code on.
Turns out (after I called twice), that they are waiting for a new motherboard from taiwan! When I asked how long that takes, I got a response of 3-6 weeks.

Pardon my language but I'm ****ing pissed off at asus right now. They are going to get back to me with an eta for that motherboard and hopefully it'll be less, but there goes my opinion of asus. If they had fixed it right the first time i wouldn't be out of a laptop for 2 months.

 

That sucks *** dude, but every company, no matter how great at customer service they are, has hitches sometimes.

I understand perfectly why you're annoyed, but they're trying...

 

I know, I've worked in a computer store and know what its like to be on their end. Having said that, dealing with customers, if there was going to be delays, I'd let them know as soon as I knew what was going to happen. Not just "I'm going to keep your computer for an extra month and not tell you why we aren't sending it back."
If only it had been actually fixed properly the first time....

 

Well.. Considering I was getting a laptop far more powerful then the G1S-A1, I didn't really want to ***** and demand a laptop with even better specs lol.

Plus, I really can't stand the orange on the G50, not to mention the added weight/heat/less battery life. I'm very happy with the M50.

I don't think killing the machine will do anything. I never killed mine, it never died, just 5 repair attempts to fix the skipping/freezing in games. Nothing worked, motherboard replacements/etc.

 

I had my G1S for a year, bought it around June/July of 07, when it was a brand new series.

Basically after the 4 repair attempts, none of which allowed me to play games properly (it would always skip and become unplayable in any game after 10 minutes of heat building). I finally got fed up and went to a supervisor, and didn't give up until I got a resolution.

My goal was never to get a brand new model, rather to get a new version of the G1S, one with maybe a different video card. And I voiced that to the supervisor, because obviously there was a defect with the G1S-A1 line if three motherboard replacements had the same bloody problem.

I was very lucky, and fortunate. But definitely don't give up until you get a proper replacement.

Paying $1800+ CAD for a gaming laptop, and not having it work as a gaming laptop is utterly ridiculous. And you should never give up until you get a model that works. "Gaming" laptops should ALWAYS work in gaming. Otherwise you're paying a huge price premium for nothing.

 

Thanks that was pretty much what I wanted to know.

 

ouch, but thanks for the heads up, I'm thinking about RMAing my G1s, I'll confirm with my dealer that the mobos are in before sending it in :S but sorry about your G1s

 

Oh boy, get this!

Got my laptop back this morning. Yay, except...some keys don't work on the keyboard. (backslash, left control and both Fn keys - Ie FN+f5 to change brightness, and used to enable numlock, etc) I tried a different keyboard that i had before where a few keys fell off and got it replaced. Same thing. Tech on the phone says, another motherboard. They are currently working to see if i can get a brand new laptop. I sure hope they can get me a new one, because this is getting RIDICULOUS.

 

Bad luck... Sorry about this.

 

i have been following this thread for a while, just wondering if the 8600gs is also affected. when i ran gpuz, it says it's a A2 revision G86M release date may9,2007. It idles around 65degress, peaks about 85 during gaming

 

I don't remember myself... you could look up the articles in The Inquirer. I think that core was listed on the affected list, though. Still there was no real official information about all this, so you can't be sure.

 

I have been reading about this nvidia GPU problem. I personally owned a G1S, A2 revision released on 9 June 07 as reported by GPUZ (however its stated as A1 in everest). I was darn excited about this laptop so I decided to get one during my trip to taiwan in June 07. Now I really wonder if there is any problem with it.
Its a G84M, built on 80mm. Is this affected?

Fans continue to howl every now and then even when not gaming (in win xp idle).. can't seem to bring down the temperature of the GPU. Even in a cool spring where the temperatures are like 18 degrees, mine is running at 69 with a howling fan.. Gaming makes the temperature worse. Time for a RMA? Or do I have to push the GPU to fry before I can RMA?

Thanks.