Official Waiting for N82JV Thread

lol...ofc it can!
how to compare notebooks with different resolution when not using an external screen?

 

oh yeah, makes sense, i shall shut up now

 

I was specifically referring to the Envy 15 WITH its $300 coupon.

At full price, I think the Envy 15 is too expensive personally.

 

I'm just concerned with cooling the Envy.. it looks nice and seems to have decent build quality. Plus the high res screen is a nice touch. $1099 for i5, 5830.. good deal overall. (Keyboard seems odd though.. seems like it'd take some getting used to)

I'd just expect that Asus would keeps its N61 and N82 cooler.. and to be honest I don't know if I need the 5830.. the 335m or 330m would suffice for sure.

Thanks for you help bankergolfer.. so you'd honestly recommend I spring on the Envy instead of waiting for the n82? The price seems great, plus 5-7 day shipping.. I'd have it when I get back from Utah!

Edit: NVM the cooling seems fine. I'm just waiting on the response from the Envy Owners lounge.

 

You're welcome. The Asus N82 is also another laptop that I'd recommend if you prefer longer battery life for GPU power.

Which you should get depends on your usage patterns. If you're a student, you'll probably want the longer battery life to get you around classes. If you like a powerful GPU and a high resolution screen (15.6 inches with 1920x1080) in a great form factor (1 inch thick) and light (5.17 lbs), get the Envy. Note that the Envy's battery life is 3 hrs and that it doesn't come with an internal optical drive.

The Envy 15 2nd Generation and the N82 both run cool to the touch. However, you need to get the i5 CPU spec. The i7 in the Envy 15 runs warm, but not blistering hot.

 

This says more about the I7-620M vs low powered I5's than anything else. Looks like the 620M is the way to go. I would guess that the HD 5650 would significantly outperform the GT335M with a comparable CPU. When it is powered by the SU7300 (w/o overclocking), the GT335M has a hard time outperforming the GT330M in the Sony with an I7-620M. It tells me that in the real world, the energy use penalty you pay for having an I7-620M may be worth it.

My brother is getting the N82 with an I5-540M and I am getting the Acer 3820T with the I7-620M. BC2 benchmarks from those two should be interesting.

Bronsky

 

Any idea when he's getting it?

(And what country are you in?)

 

BFBC2 is one of those few games out there that is more CPU intensive than GPU intensive. It doesn't surprise me that a laptop with a better CPU plays BFBC2 with faster framerates.

For most other games though being GPU intensive, getting a laptop with a better GPU is the better way to go.

 

Looking forward to comparsion of the mentioned CPUs. Wonder if the i7 620M's performance "supperiority" worth it's "power hunger"...if I may.

 

It would depend on your level of use. Obviously it would do good to programs that are CPU intensive or games that use a lot of AI. I don't think the 5650 would vastly outperform the 335 given the latter's core count and memory clocks save for the ATI's more advanced shader model and DirectX 11. Yeah, a faster processor may help, but it depends on what actually you're running to see some gains. The i5 seems to suit the N82 just fine, but if you can have the best CPU why not.

 

That's exactly what I was getting at - no matter what, I'd be settling.
Currently, I'm aiming for the ASUS N82Jv, for three main reasons (in order) : Proper international warranty, switchable graphics w/ 335M, and price.

As for the CPU discussion, the i7-620M is only ~15% faster than the i5-520M. Power consumption aside, personally I'd only go for the i7 if the price is at most $50 or so more than the i5-520M, and I doubt it will be. Similarly, the difference between the i5-520M and the i5-430M (~5% on two cores, ~15% on one, and AES-NI) is also only worth $50 or so to me.

 

I'm currently debating between this and the Acer 4820TG. I can wait until June the latest for a new laptop, so they'll both probably be out in Canada then. Just want to know your opinions about which one I should get?

Asus N82JV - USB 3.0; Optimus
Acer 4820TG - 8 hour battery; DX11 and 5650.

The ATI 5650 also allows me to connect to TV and stream the HD sound through the HDMI, apparently - another + for me. But I've also read somewhere that ASUS has better reliability. Anything else I should consider? Both seem pretty solid choices for me right now... But I'm leaning towards the 4820TG for the battery life.

 

My 9500M GS can also output audio + video over HDMI.
That aside, the warranty and build quality on Asus machines are too good to pass up for me.

 

lol 8 hours battery... you won't get 8 hours with 4820TG! Probably with deactivated Wlan and switched off display.

The 3820TG with Core i5 and HD 5470 (smaller screen = lower power consumption)


The GT 335M can also connect to TV and stream HD sound through HDMI.

DX11 is no big advantage , until you can see any good DX11 effects the HD5650 is limiting here

 

I received my Envy 15 last week and after a week of trying as hard as I could to love it, I'm probably going to be returning it because of the keyboard and touchpad. The touchpad is nice and large, but because it is so large my left and rests so that the pinky sits right over the caps lock instead of the "A". Also because the same placement and the extra row on the left of dedicated app buttons, I keep launching the calculator instead of hitting the ctrl button for copy/pasting. There are plenty on the Envy 15 owner thread that love the keyboard, but also a few who do not. I'm getting used to it now, but it still feels unnatural.

As for the touchpad, I ended up hating have the buttons integrated into the smooth surface. The buttons are stiff and kind of hard to press and make the mouse jump half the time. Also, because the buttons part of the surface is touch sensitive as well, doing basic gaming can suck without a mouse. If you try and use the right hand to move the cursor and then click a button with the left hand without lifting the right finger first, the touchpad thinks your trying to perform a two-touch function like zooming and you can't actually move the cursor again until you lift both fingers. I've trying several types of games from simple flash, to fps, to rpg, and it really is a problem. So, if you ever plan to just kick back on the couch and do even basic gaming without having a mouse next to you, it's very frustrating.

Too bad such a great combo of cpu power, gpu power, display, weight, and now price (with the drop and the coupon) is killed by a keyboard and touchpad design.

As for the cooling, the i5 isn't bad. Not as cool as my last couple machines, but really not that bad as long as your don't disable the fan from being always on the bios. I tried that and got pistol hot temps from just browsing, but leaving the fan as always on (and it is very quiet) made most of the heat issues go away. I don't think I'd want to game on my lap with out a cooler, but the palms don't get overly hot unless you're really doing intensive stuff.

 

Yaaaaaaaaawn.

Damn you Asus! When do you release any of your new notebooks already?!

 

Maybe we should change the thread's name to the "Officially waiting for the ASUS N82 thread"

 

This thread was at 666 posts and I thought that was unlucky. I want an N82jv!

 

Get in line!
The wait is long.
Literally
ASUS is losing me.

 

Hm... how do I change the thread title?

 

Ask a MOD.
Nicely
They are good people and very accomidating.

 

The only other thing I'm really considering getting at this point is the UL30JT, but if it's not out before/until the N82, then the UL30VT... The UL30VT is really the only thing I've come across that meets both my battery life needs (exceeds them) and performance needs (pretty much meets them minimally).

The performance of the N82 will no doubt be a huge leap over the UL30VT/JT, but I don't know how it's battery life will be. 3-4 hours on power save mode for word documents/internet browsing doesn't cut it for me.

I've heard the UL30VT on Turbo Boost @ 1.73ghz with the 210m enabled and constantly gaming gets close to 5 hours of battery life, which is pretty impressive, even if it's only as powerful as roughly a mid range 2005-2006 desktop. From what I've seen on youtube, it runs even a number of very recent games on a mix of low and medium settings fairly well (30ish fps), which may be enough for my needs.

I'm not really sure if I should keep waiting to see the price and battery life on the N82 or just grab a UL30vt for $750.

 

Well it depends on the processor.. but honestly, I think on power-save mode it has to be able to manage at least 4 hours. Maybe with the i7 it'd be stretching it, but with i5 + Optimus I have high hopes

 

For me, I think even the i3 being over 2ghz would be sufficient... Yeah, the i5 might be nice to have for Turbo Boost if I wanted it, but I don't know that it would make a huge noticeable difference most of the time between an i3 and i5. I haven't compared the specs, but is the only difference between the i3 and i5 the clockspeed or do they have different cache levels, etc? The i7's definitely out for me since there's no IGP.

 

Here's a comparison on Intel's website of the i3-330M, i5-430M, i5-520M, and i7-620M. I'd probably be satisfied with an i3 as well, really.

 

Thanks for the chart. The only thing I see there that would make me go i5 over i3 besides "Turbo Boost" is the max frequency of the IGP 667 MHz on the i3 vs 766 MHz on the i5, and for many older games, as I've found with my 1000HE netbook, the IGP can play them fine (Battlezone '98, Heavy Gear, Mech Warrior 3, etc), but then again that was a GMA945 I believe, and the 4500MHD I would assume is quite a bit more powerful than that even at 667mhz, so that might not be something to care about.

*Edit* - Strangely, on that chart it says the i7 620M does have IGP... People on here have been saying it doesn't, or is that a quad core chip that doesn't have it?

 

The quad core i7 don't have IGP...
since there's N82Jq with i7-720QM...

 

@ min2209

Thread title changed as requested

 

Whoo! My waiting is official now!
When do I get the paperwork?

 

Thanks! Now it's officially official. The line for the N82Jv grows long...

 

Lol.
That was quick with the title change, and so the waiting begins......

 

Wooh that's fast. Thanks!

 

i had the ul30vt-x1 which is lower capacity battery than the ul30vt-a1 and i could get about 2 1/2 maybe 3 hours gaming at best which is still impressive i think.
really unless you play really old games you might be dissappointed with the gaming performance

 

The review!!!! Just use google translate because it is in german.

http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/laptop-review-asus-n82jv-nkrt-1126

 

Well, too bad they didn't mention whether it is a 8 cell or just like in the chinese review a 6 cell battery with only 44mAh...

I guess the latter one because otherwise Asus would promote it.

3 hours with IntelHD and full stress in enegery save modus is okay. You will get around 4 hours in real-life-usage.

The chassis very sturdy.
The keyboard is not too great in their eyes.
Well this is something i can adapt to.

But again the big minus, the display is really average max. ...That's not good enough for multimedia-notebook.
Especially the contrast, not to speak of the very limited angle of the display.

Well, one have to wait whether the new Acer Timeline displays are any better.

If not, i will look for the PL30 with a matt screen even if i have to renounce the GT335M


EDIT: Confirmed that it comes out with a 6cell battery with only 44mAh! So NO strong 8 cell battery!

 

Poor keyboard, average battery life (thanks to the 6-cell battery) even with Optimus, average display (even though I was aware of its 1366x768 resolution, which is fine on a 14 inch laptop)....

I might just have to pass on the N82.

 

Really, who is the imbecile to blame for advertising this with a 8cell battery which kept me drooling for this thing?!

Well, the keyboard is average, but you can adapt.
The only big minus for me is really the display and the battery.
Other than that, the build quality is top, and the thing really runs cool, but it's a bit noisy (which can be solved with a Bios update because it is running so cool).

The Price is about 1050€ for Germany , with a i5 cpu and a slower HDD.

The new Acer products will be priced lower...i have my doubts about the quality.

 

i think im dropping out of the asusn82, having a good display is a priority for me, especially for gaming. i remember i used to play on a laptop with a mediocre panel, to think that i actually tilt the screen towards me for a better viewing angle.

anyway, ill just see how the timeline series do. if both fail i guess im getting the CW

 

We all know that 8 cell was just our imagination...
What did you expect with Core i7 and GT 335M ?

3 hours @ load
4-5 hours @ average surfing/office
6:30 hours @ idle

not bad at all

 

We expected Optimus to deliver better battery life.

Anandtech had performed a test on Optimus and determined that it only added about 20 mins to battery life. Someone on this forum pointed out that the test was flawed in some way and that Optimus could deliver even more battery life. Looks like Anandtech may have been right all along.

 

I don't know who started it. But surely it was not based on some imaginations of a user.
Some fake pictures maybe? Dunno.

Still, it is a weak 6 cell battery with 44mAh. I would have expected more. I mean even most netbooks have stronger batteries.

Well anyways compared with the Acer with about 60mAh that's a minus point.

Well, display is bad like always. So it didn't improve or got worse.

 

Google Translated link for the NotebookJournal Review posted by atticus182

The screen seems above average for mid range laptops to be honest. Perhap the viewing angle is worse than most. I was hoping the screen would be better though as I wanted it to be suitable for photoediting. I might have to look elsewhere now

 

20 minutes more? Compared to what, might I ask? I assume that you're referring to the discussion we had on page 61, but the figure there was 20% and I was assuming that that was Optimus vs 310M always on.
For battery life, obviously Optimus isn't going to improve over just using the IGP except in rare circumstances. The N82Jv's battery life is in line with the tested results for the Acer 3820 with the weaker battery, and both have been better than the Lenovo Y460.
Sure, the battery performance is "average" for switchable graphics, but that's still significantly better than laptops without it.

It's also good news that the N82Jv runs cool, which is surprising given the components and form factor.

I'm a little disappointed by the screen and keyboard, but it's nothing unexpected from a midrange laptop. We'll see how the Acer TimelineX models do, but it's unfortunate that ASUS are the only ones with a proper international warranty, which is a serious issue for me.

 

Well.. the display isn't too important for me. When I carry a notebook outside I'm expecting to do work on there anyway, and when I'm home, there's a wonderful Asus MS238H LED backlit 23" to plug in via HDMI...

 

Well for those of us who are staying with it for the warranty or whatever reason, the review says that they had the US model, and that the German model will be available in April... That seems to imply that it'll be available in the States (and, hopefully, Canada) in the next few weeks?

 

What do you mean with outside?
I hope you mean outside in the meaning of office, and not outside in the meaning of outdoors.
Still i hope you have the proper surrounding. Working with a glare display can be really tiresome for the eyes!

 

Well... outside, meaning outside of home. I don't plan on using this primarily as a work laptop anyway. At the office I'd have workstations for productivity. Although, from what I gather, you're right about the glare thing: glare type screens are not meant to be used outdoors (especially under the sun!)

 

Let's see..

Asus N82jv

I'm happy with the build quality, the performance, the heat management, the size (width n length), the battery life, and the touchpad.

I'm not with the display, and the date of arrival.

I'm slightly iffy with the keyboard.

Envy 15

I'm happy with the performance, heat management, the size (thinness), the display, and the date of arrival.

I'm not with the battery life, and the touchpad.

I'm slightly iffy with the build quality and the keyboard..

...

This did not get easier.

 

Is there any definitive due date yet? I keep hearing march-april, but now that is hear, I don't hear that any more.

 

I'm hoping that the "flaws" could be corrected once it goes into retail. Still, I'm taking the N82 above any other else.