the new asus g51

so is the new 260m only faster than the 9800m by the % of clock speed it has over it? They are on the same platform no?

 

To answer that question, sonny likely needs to install some good mobile drivers, but his cpu has so far been the bottle neck. With an overclock of 2.25 and stock drivers (179.53) on the 260 he hit 9555 on 3d Mark 06.

 

thats not great, my g50 gets about that.

 

I'm a little confused whats going on... basically the GTX 260m is NOT the GTX 260m, and is worse because Asus changed it?

 

Your G50, even with a processor upgrade, won't go much higher either, where as his will. With the cpu being stepped down, I don't expect the RX05 to significantly out pace, depending on the model, a G50.

 

I don't understand the question except to say that the GTX 260 mobile is a GTX 260 mobile. and Asus has not changed anything about the GPU.

Edit: The CPU was changed to a P7350 2.0 GHz chip. Perhaps that is why your confused?

 

So, is this going to be a better buy than the G50VT X5?

 

Does anyone know what voltage battery the 71 comes with and what's the battery life?

 

Why don't you just go to nVidia's site and download the latest driver there?

IMO, though, after the first few sets for Vista a year back, I never saw a 3DMark '06 increase again. It's usually for newer games, but benchmarks are usually dealt with very early in the driver development cycle,

Bollocks! No P9xxx? I just want that 6MB of cache....

And the newest driver (linked above) has OpenGL 3.0 support, for that person who was wondering.

~Ibrahim~

 

well the processor will be slightly worse but the video card will be better.

 

Hmm, which one supreme commander will run on better? I feel like Shallow Hal.

 

Much, much better buy. The GTX 260M will stomp all over the 9800M GS. The 112 shaders is a huge improvement over 64.

 

Someone mentioned about something lowering the clock and how the 9800m GTS to the GS? What did they mean by that?

 

That is in regard to the G50VT series. Asus originally planned to put 9800m GTS GPUs in that line, but due to heating issues, they basically underclocked all of the GTS chips to create the GS line and stuck those chips in. As far as I can tell, that doesn't seem to have happened to the G51

 

The 9800M GS (530/1325/800) is a lower clocked 9800M GTS (600/1500/800).

Asus has lowered the clocks of the GTX 260M from 550/1350/800 to 500/1250/800.

My M860ETU has the full clocks, but I guess the G51's cooling solution couldn't handle the extra heat. The fact that he's hit 90° just running 3dMark is kinda scary. I don't expect it to be able to handle an overclock, at all.

I'm currently at 620/1550/925 and max out at 85° running games.

 

Considering you can't currently buy a G50vt X5, its doesn't really matter.

At the moment, it appears you could say the G51 RX5 is, in terms of performance, at least as good as the G50 (depending on the model), and with some tweaking possibly better.

The G51's advantages are that it has a substantially higher performance ceiling and clock for clock, is clearly superior. The problem is Asus, in order to keep costs down, chose a slower CPU for the G51 RX5 than what was in the G50 X5.

By upgrading the G51's CPU, you'll receive much better performance returns than you would in the G50. In the case of the G51 RX5, the CPU is the bottleneck and not the GPU, which when dealing with laptops is far more preferable. CPU's are easy and relatively inexpensive to upgrade. GPU's (aka graphics cards) are nearly impossible to upgrade and, even when possible, far more expensive.

 

Oh ok that's good then. I was worried about the heating issues in a 15" laptop. But then again someone said it was a 17" chassis anyways.

 

You can buy G50VT X5s off of Ebay from a few sellers, but I do get your point about how easy it is to upgrade the CPUs. By the way, are the G51 RX5s the ones people are getting from Best Buy? I did find this article:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.notebookjournal.de%2Fnews%2Fdrei-neue-gamer-notebooks-von-asus--1406&sl=de&tl=en&hl=EN&ie=UTF-8

Just curious how accurate this is.

 

I think we already know that not to be the case and if we lack confirmation, I think its a very safe bet it doesn't apply to the U.S./N.A. market. I believe we know it not to be true of the G71, but that falls short of confirming anything about the G51/60.

Edit: Strike that last sentence. I went back into the thread and the post I thought that confirmed the bit about the G71 does NOT confirm screen resolutions. I still think its safe to say that we won't be seeing a single resolution across each model .

 

Ah I see. I hope that BB stock up enough so when I arrive in August they'll have some left.

This post seems to be the hub of most G51 info.

 

See edit, above.

 

Okay, Cheers. Really do appreciate your efforts. Guess I should hold out a few months for a G51 - although am wondering whether a non BB model will be a lot more expensive. After digging through the thread, I'm getting the impression the BB model could differ a little? Or just weaker CPUs?.

 

Traditionally, the Best Buy model X5's have been the low-end of the model lines. Most affordable, but for a reason (1 year warranty instead of Asus 2 year, slower less expensive CPU's, lower screen resolutions). Honestly, if the information is correct, the best bang for the buck may be the G71 RX05. Yes its heavier, but the G51's are based on 17inch display chassis, so the sizes should be very similar.

 

You're taking the place of the devil on my shoulder telling me to enlarge my budget Let's just hope I can ship/reserve one at BB etc. I better be off to sleep, but thankyou.

 

so the G51 is actually 17" or what? Now i'm confused lol.

I think I'm going to get the G71 and a cheap netbook for college. Seems like the best option.

Can anyone recommend a good netbook? I think I might just pick up whatever's cheapest at bestbuy along with the G71

 

Frack, see edit above s77. My bad.

The G51 has a 15" display, but is housed in a chassis that could accommodate a 17" display. The G51's frame/chassis is over sized and that is one of the knocks against it compared to other 15" laptops.

 

So do they use an oversized chasis for the 17 in. G71 as well? Or are you guys saying the G51 and G71 pretty much have the same dimensions?

Can't go over $1k so it's a moot point for me but just curious.

 

G51 is not 17".. G71 is 17 inch. G51 is 15.6" I believe. Referring to the screen.

 

Couldn't tell you as I've not seen the G71's dimensions posted anywhere. I shouldn't have said the G51 would be "very similar" in size to the G71, because I foolishly based that on the assumption that the G71 uses a standard 17" chassis... which it may not.

 

hey guys what happened to sunny? anyhow im still worried about these gpu temps. on the g51 i was on battery power, idle for 10 minutes and with each passing minute the gpu went from 40c, to 45c, to 50c, to 60c, to 65c to 70c all the way up to 87c (system fan was off whole time) and finally it kicked in a little and the gpu temp dropped back down to 70c then the system fan turned off( the cpus were idleing) and the gpu on batt power jumped back up to 81c. i dont get how this could be happening in a brand new laptop, maybe they forgot thermal paste on the gpu heatsink or sumthin becuz the cpus are doing ok temp wise accept idle temps are high.. but system fan is not always on its off for a good while when cold booted but the gpu temps shoot through the roof at idle in vista desktop until fan does kick in.. very interesting kinda worried...

and like i said with the drivers that are pre installed for video no powermizer effect no different clock speeds and levels just on high always..

what should or can i do to fix? thanks

 

Ah, but they have.

Dimensions: 16"x11.6"x1.8" (W x D x H)

~Ibrahim~

 

dimensions of asus g51 laptop... almost 15.5 inches in width side to side with screen closed and almost 10.5 inches from back of laptop to front and screen is suppose to be 15.6" inches diagnol.. and it is kinda heavy for a smaller laptop compared to a hp dv7 17inch laptop that is bulky but the weights kinda feel identical..

 

Try installing Nvidia's 186.03, then see if powermizer is functional.

 

those temps seem really high, for just 3dmark. the cooling seems horrible for the g51. the gtx 260m should get those high temp values for just running 3dmark, they should be about 65-75. it should run cooler than a 9800m gts, since its a 55nm version of a 9800 gtx. heres a screenshot of the temps with 3dmark on a sager np8662. btw the cpu temps are also lower for the sager.

 

Nice find. I checked the customization page and didn't see it listed.

 

Right. It's under Tech Specs (next to Features and Gallery) on the heading "Size & Weight".

Minus the extra hard drive, it sounds like a sweet setup. But, MSI's 4850/P9550/Blu-Ray/1080P runs for only about $1,600....

I hope Newegg has some cheaper prices!

~Ibrahim~

P.S. This is about the G71, not the G51, for anyone who is wondering...

 

Amen... xotic charging 2k seems ridiculously priced given the competition.

 

The sizes are really pretty similar. Check this:

http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/24066-Asus-G71-vs-Asus-G50

 

So the Chassis of the G51 is definitely smaller than the G71 by a bit. But with those temps might be better for me to get the G71. Will probably need some more people to test it other than skyhawk.

 

hey chinnoobonic, those are some nice temps thats what i was expecting from this laptop, something has to be wrong somewhere.. the fan does not come on when cold booting the system only come on after temps get hot havent been in the bios yet to see if any options. also can u post a gpu-z screenshot to see the clocks and power levels of your vid card also what driver you using? maybe they forgot to put on thermal stuff for this vid card plan on opening the panels today and seeing if i can fix anything or i guess A. it have to be returned or b. rma with asus maybe just the video card..

 

So far, we've only seen one units temps, have we not?>

 

I think I'm just going to have to see how big of a difference the laptops are personally to make the decision. If temps are a problem right now for the G51 I'm definitely sticking to the 71. Based on the dimensions there's around an inch difference on the width and height so it doesn't seem to be too much. The specs are also definitely better.

 

What's to say the G71 won't have these temp problems as well?

Well I'm saying temp problems but we're just going by 1 unit. Hopefully when Sunny checks by here later he can tell us what the temps are like on his unit.

 

maybe this is the issue whats the point of a fan and a big air vent on bottom of panel on g51 laptop like g50 laptop, when the big air vent is sealed on the bottom, PLEASE G50 owners tell me this is normal... UGH

check out screen shots the big vent grill that looks like a big subwoofer is for cooling yet on the backside of it ITS SEALED SHUT NO AIR?!?!

 

1 unit does not equal temp problems and sonny already stated his was running warm but not beyond reason.

Sky, is there a fan in that area? It could be that its for a sub on a higher end model, but do you think its suppose to be an intake? From that pic its not clear, but does it sit right over those copper heat sinks?

 

the clocks are at stock settings 550/800/1350 and the drivers are 186.03 for windows 7 x64 on a sager np8662.

temps after 1 hr of prototype:

 

hey chinoononic does your 260M throttle down in desktop mode? lower clocks? what driver you using and do you have ascreenshot of gpuz? also does your system fan stay on all the time? full speed?

also to those that have a g50, do you have a option in the bios called dts mode that is some dynmaic temperature cooling mode for cpu based off of cpu digital thermometer? i had it in bios it was disabled by default so i enabled it now the fan is constantly running, its in low mode at idle..

i think if powermizer is running and kicked in with new drivers im gonna try next the cpu temps would be lower and the gpu would be lower at idle...

 

it did throttle down at 1st so i disabled powermizer and it hasn't throttled down since. the driver used is the official 186.03 from nvidia.com for windows 7 64bit. no i dont have a screenshot of gpu-z but im using the stock clocks (550/800/1350). the fan stays on all the time, almost idle when not gaming or anything not too intensive. when gaming it kicks in at full blast.

 

Skyhawk, it looks like that sealed vent is an intake for the large fan next to your GPU (I'm guessing that's the cpu).

I feel like maybe you got an oddball and that should be open on all models.

 

thanks ill give those drivers a try!