the new asus g51

i guess its supposed to be either june 26th or mid july

 

Tizzao was referring to the fact that you don't seem to be a "Smartfriend". Tizzao expected you to know that undervolting would potentially increase battery life and decrease temperature of the CPU. Being part of the Geek Squad, you seemed awfully uninformed of something like undervolting.

Did i get it right Tizzao?

at any rate datoman, heres a link to undervolting and a full overview of the benefits/features and how to do it.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=235824

 

well i had the refurb g50vt i just bought and rma'd due to bad vid card refunded.... so..... friday i can pick up a g51 w00t w00t i aint skeered of no temps (as long as theres a warranty)

 

haha nice... so the vid card overheated or what?

 

Has anyone picked up a G71GX-RX05 yet or are we waiting for June 26th to come around? I would really like to see a review of this machine and see if it has any quirks, how the display looks, what the build quality is like, and how it performs. Also, I noticed from the photos that it looks like there is room for an OLED display but I didn't see anything being displayed there, does this have one or no?

 

It does not have one nor is there a connector on the motherboard for it, same with the G51 the motherboard was redesigned sans the connector for it.

 

That's a shame in a way. Even though I'd hardly look at it, I think having the battery life and CPU level would be nice to have when in full screen apps. Also, without an OLED there, it looks void and a little bit strange.

Edit: Does the G71GX-RX05 have built-in bluetooth?

 

I already read the review from that page.. i was just referencing to it, and i mean to be honest undervolting is pretty specific of a concept.. and i haven't encountered it at Geek Squad.. I'm not trying to say im "smart" or a know it all.. I was simply stating that i do work at best buy. I was just throwing some stuff out there... I find it quite rude to make such an immature remark about Geek Squad.. I know for a fact no one knows everything and it's pretty stupid for someone to think you should know everything there is to know just because of where you work at.

 

the BB version im pretty sure that it doesnt have one but i guess that the xotic one has

 

Bummer, I don't really use Bluetooth much except to write apps that take advantage of the Wii hardware, so I guess I can deal with having to use a dongle...

 

Has the G60 shown up at any Best Buy yet, or is it in the system?

If yes to either, would one of the Best Buy guys be so kind as to post specs and prices?

Thanks!

 

You learn something everyday. I learn something everyday being a comp salesman at BB myself. Maybe you've been hired under different terms because when i was referring to "SmartFriend", i was referring to the term that BB coined to be a person who knows their department well enough to be able to provide customers with information regarding what they need to know when the situation where a customer needs to be informed arises. I'm not calling you an idiot or anything. Why are you disclaiming yourself from being smart?

All that aside if you think that i came on too strongly with my remark, i apologize. I'm not hear to win no arguments or show superiority here, i'm just another forum member.

 

I dont believe we have any current reason to think best buy is getting a G60 definitely nothing to say for or against it other then the ones with G51 and G71's dont have it...

Best Buy does not carry every series they release.

 

Nope, looks like all versions of the G71 will not have OLED

 

kinda sorta... as soon as i got it it was giving me "display driver has stopped responding and recovered" which is the error noone has a fix for. It was hitting close to 85c during gaming.

speculation:
so what are the chances the g60 is the same chassis as the g51 but with a 16in high(er) res screen? or will the chassis be bigger?

 

Wait, hang on a sec... As far as i know ASUS has oficially published that the G51 will have the ~20% OC feature, but from reading this thread I've understood that they will not have the diret console? (Or am i wrong). How do they expect to OC the CPU, presuming that most ordinary, users will not know 3rd party software- SetFSB etc..?

U mean an internal one in the case? Coz I thought of this idea, there are many small fans on ebay btw, I thought of placing a small one on top of the GPU, + making smal holes in the chasis etc. But this is only theory, I have no clue how would be in real life.

 

Thanks. There was a post on hardforum saying that the G60 might be showing up at BB.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1034256227

 

I've been looking at photos of the G71GX-A1 that is offered by GentechPC and XoticPC, and I'm wondering where are the USB and firewire ports?

 

On the right and left side just like the G70, covered by the doors.

 

Guys, totally stupid question. I'm guessing that the G71 is a higher model than the G51?
EDIT. Nevermind. The prices gave it away.

 

Its a 17 inch

 

ok guys prime example of why people with other brand nice gaming laptops get awesome temps on a gtx 260m and 280m.. compare the pics of these heatsinks from other notebook makers with asus g51, g50, and so forth, of course those guys with the nice heatsinks will get a way lower temp compared to the asus g50 and g51 having a cheap designed heatsink for a powerful notebook gpu..
heres the link to the forum members stuff out of his laptop!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=384819
and
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4851519&postcount=355

check out that heatsink for his old gpu and newly upgraded gpu.. HOLY COW if a real laptop company designed that for a 260m GTX and a 280M GTX then asus might want to rethink the one for the ASUS G51 with 90-100c temps from playing certain games for 10 minutes!!!!! I did email asus and this is all the more an example to show them!!

 

They have no need for you to show them any of that. Nothing there they dont know about.

However your showing us the GPU heatsink for a 17 inch laptop, surely the 260M in the G71 runs cooler than it does in the G51, as the G71 has a seperate heatsink (i believe been ahile since i looked). That Clevo/Sager also has a seperate fan for its GPU a full size fan. Outside of using all copper there is much there either and a suggestion i already made. Now if your willing to lose your second hard drive bay and pay the expense that would be incurred when they had to redesign 100% of the chassis go ahead, but you will be pay G71 prices.

Note the 17 inch chassis and seperate heatpipes and seperate fans - http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7355/img1308s.jpg not gonna happen in the G5x series. Oh and the menacing solid plate, isnt any better then the cut up one, its advantages are from the dual pipes and copper fins, not the unused surface area, the G5x actually allows air to flow around the components instead of blocking the air.

Ours is not cheaply designed minus the extra copper. The G51 was based off the G50 chassis so of course there is limited space, not to mention limited space in a 15.6 inch chassis. A single fan the way its setup is the only normal option here. The GPU is cooled by the hot air from the CPU which does make me wonder about them changing the order of the pipes. You cant just link to (pictures I have seen several times) a card for a larger chassis and say ooh put something like that in.

Good example you might like... sorta
The M865TU is replacing the M860TU which is in the 15 inch class, only have pics of the M860TU but the 865 will have the 260M.



Note the single fan still but nicer pipe, also note how it only has one hdd and the fan cutout goes all the way to the keyboard to make room for it. Note the pipe order is the same as the G5x and the pipes are single.

 

The M860TU's fan is actually fastened directly to the motherboard. Even the service and user manuals show it as being fastened to the back panel, but it's an incorrect depiction of the facts.

 

STRANGE, still doesnt affect the cooling design but strange. Just figured id find a 15 inch with a related card, and that one happened to fit well with its copper fins, but a single pipe and fan like the G5x

 

since both use one fan, and pipe designs are similar, one can only conclude that the thermal paste is not applied properly or of low standard. that's what i interpret from all this.

 

No not really, while paste is a suggestion under warranty is the thing. Its a hotter gpu it runs hotter, naturally.

The GPU is hotter and with the heatsink design basically the same design as with the cooler card you WILL get hotter temperatures at load. There are only so many things they can do, one they did already downclock and probably undervolt the card from nvidias recommended specifications.

You have to look at solutions that will fit in the existing chassis and my point is skyhawks example isnt something within that. Copper fins, i cant really think of anything else at this point trying really hard too lol. I really wonder if routing the pipes to the opposite positions would help the gpu or not, it would rise cpu temps but not that its a concern.

 

its just strange since a m860tu with the same pipe structure and no under clocking experiences lower temps at full load. asus needs to rethink their strategy with this one.

 

if someone is going to put thermal compound on their GPU please dont use their finger's

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=391962

 

adding to what brunoroc said, i recommend IC Diamond 7 (worked wonders on my msi gt627) or some arctic silver compound.

 

That is so my line and my newb lol

 

How probable is it that the quad version of the G51 will have a different heatsink design? I want to purchase this version and upgrade to a Q9100 but if the quad version has a better heatsink...

 

you nubs just dont know how to use the finger method lol j/k

seriously though i posted how in that thread

 

i hope they do, because the cpu temps of the 25 watt p processor looks as though it could reach the 70's with overclocking. imagine a 45 watt quad in this thing. my legs would be baking

 

All the heat is going to the same place so if a GPU at 90 isnt cooking your leg you dont need to worry about the cpu hitting it either lol. Thats what the black plastic on the door over the fan is btw, theres no vent under it but what it does do is help keep the heat off you if its in your lap.

I dont exactly find playing FPS's in my lap fun, racing games maybe. Comfortable on the cooler.

My P series with the paste broken got up to 65C, 60 before. The current cpu never really even hits 70. But if i use an artificial test like intel burn test it gets high 70's and higher. Cant run a quad so no tests for you lol.

 

@ClutchX2 thanks for the info i learn everyday. but from my experience from the sager forums, a quad will significantly increase temps in the m860tu. someone put a qx9300 in their m860tu and temps went to the 80's. downclocking and undervolting brought it to the 70's. so having a quad in the g51 with its current heat sink may not be really worth it, especially if you want to overclock it.

 

Well part of my point is I can bring the temps up abnormally, but all in all they usually are 10 degrees lower then the synthetic tests. Undervolting the P7450 to .900 across the board made at load temps not even break 50. The T9600 doesnt take to the voltage if I am overclocking so i dont even bother anymore.

The Hotter CPU will heat the GPU up so eeek.

EDIT - for fun rerunning the burn test, (on the cooler though) first pass 65C, second pass 67C, add about 10C to those though

 

dude you missed the point... the whole point if you take a look at the pics and see, LOOK how thick the copper is, look at the asus g50 and g51 cooler copper, there was more room in the video card area for a real type of heatsink and copper plate like on more expensive notebooks besides using a thin sheet of copper on some components and a thin sheet over the core of gpu..

in retrospec if i can play DMC4 which got the gpu on a brand spankin new laptop from first batch and the temp was 100c on the gpu while the cpus max out around 70c something is wrong somewhere the 260m in the g51 is a 75watt video card and if and when overclocked alot more than that at full load it will make more heat than the cpu anytime..

 

Yeah, I'm not at all worried about the CPU overheating; but, if the CPU temp is raised by 10ºC, then that means that 10ºC hotter air is going to be blown on the GPU which might make the GPU temp go up 10ºC... FFFFUUUUUUUUU

Edit: 10ºC is just an example

 

didn't someone say that the copper heat sink of the g50/g51 is like that to increase airflow over the gpu? but skyhawk21 is correct, asus could have done a better job with the cooling for the gpu in the g51 instead of reusing what the had left over from the g50s.

edit

 

To be fair, the last thing you want to do with a gaming notebook is play with it on your lap. Buy an inexpensive wooden lap table, the type with a cushion on the bottom.

 

ok clutchx2, you say asus did this and or that for certain reasons.. compare both of these pics really good tell me asus couldnt put the same gpu heatsink setup in the g50/g51 like in the M860 laptop it almost looks like an identical fit.
M860


ASus G51
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Also I just notice this now in my own picture check this out, the GPU in my Asus G51 is not covered completely by the cheapo thin copper and core heatsink, if you look closely that I just noticed the sides are exposed of the gpu core because you can see the shim thats over it, so the top of heatsink over core sits on the thin copper crap then the copper crap just covers the center of the core maybe not correctly to absorb all heat explaining why the temp readings are so high at the core.... the sides of the core are exposed with nothing covering it!

 

im not saying that i game on my lap, im merely saying that i could be running some intensive stuff (after effects or something of that nature) like on a bus or in the car and it would get hot.

 

I don't know if anyone has looked at the g71 models yet.. but while at work today.. i was doing just a quick idle hw monitor test on the 1149.99 g71 unit. and at idle the gpu was getting around 65C... and when i walked on the floor and put my hand near the g51 heatsink out on the left.. versus the g71 in the back.. the g71 felt considerably hotter versus the cool feeling g51 airflow out. Just giving a heads up from what i noticed briefly at work.

 

@Skyhawk

The GPU core is actually inside that little square that your thinking is the core itself just an FYI . The real question is the heatsink making proper contact with the core at all ? id have pulled that badboy apart 20 seconds after i saw 97 degrees on the GPU after 10 minutes of gameplay .

 

even with the laptop that im using right now(really crappy) i cant put it on my lap and the temperatures are around 50 C

 

The core is 100% covered, your seeing the rest of the chip check my gpu for reference. The 260M has a silver thing around the outside but isnt a thermal interface.





Notice MSI has used copper fins, which i have repeated about 10 times, thats the first step. Note that you DO NOT want to just thicken the gpu plate. The plate on the gpu does NOT cool it the way you think it does. It conducts heat to the heat pipe, the heat pipe then conducts that to the fins which have air passed through them to draw the heat out of the laptop.

Do you think thickening the connection between the core and the pipe with more copper will help the heatpipe conduct better? Because I think not, thicker metal will take longer to conduct the heat.

Note how the OCZ/Alienware M17 dual gpu heatsink isnt super thick:
http://i39.tinypic.com/aczd4i.jpg

 

just take a look at the project freeze and then try to copper mod it

 

They had an actual design flaw on their quad setup though. Northbridge wasnt touching the heatpipe due to the quad pushing it upwards.

 

oh yeah forgot about that... but still just mod the copper mod