Dell XPS 15 9570 with Geforce 1060 is coming...

You have special needs, which unrelevant for most people. So lets get back to the thread, i agree with others.
So i read in notebookcheck next gen Nvidia cards 11xx with GDDR6 VRAM could arrive in June. There is no mention about mid-mobile cards yet, but it would make sense Dell is waiting for something like 1150-1150ti MaxQ. If so, we would get the 1060 performance .

 

@Donald@HIDevolution has said that the next generation of mobile cards will come in Fall. I'm highly inclined to trust him since he is a reseller sales representative.


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No blind statements here. I use both as well as Linux. I removed MacOS from my mac and installed Linux on it and it's much better. MacOS needs a redo BAD! It's antique feeling compared to windows 10. Plus the touchbar is a poor excuse to a full touch screen.

I will also leave this here...if you think the Macbook is more powerful than the xps. This video clearly shows the xps out performing the macbook pro when doing video conversions etc.

 

We would need a moderator here to delete some posts. I neither interested linux nor windows 10, both crap. And MacOS won't be available for Dell computers. Winows 7 is our ultimate option, if a modded IGP driver is coming for Coffe Lake...

 

Sorry Jknows...10 is NOT crap. Works great on my computers. Just because you are NOT INTERESTED in Linux or w10, does not mean others are not, and therefore NEED TO DELETE POSTS is silly.

 

Is it worth waiting for the 2018 refresh? There is a 350e discount atm on the XPS 15 in Belgium...

 

I think I would.

 

It depends from your needs and budget.
For example, now in Germany you can buy 9560 with 16GB RAM + 512GB SSD for 1.448,99€.
If you sure what 7700HQ is enough or if you need new laptop urgently, so it's nice deal.
But if you know what you will have benefits from new 6 core CPUs, you need to wait and be ready to pay extra cash for the same ram+ssd configuration.
For me it's worth to wait for Coffee Lake H.
Also the new models from other companies is coming.
For example MSI GS65
https://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90723149/msi-gs65-8re-079-stealth-thin.asp

Personally, I'm in no hurry, I can wait little bit for this new laptops with CFL-H and see which one is worth it to investing ~2000€ as my main workhorse for the next 3-5 years.

 

I kinda wanna spend max 1500e. I can get the same config as you for that price in Belgium right now.
However, this laptop will need to last me 4 years. I mainly use it for general surfing ect but I like to play FM and Civ

I like the XPS because the 15inch screen is in a small body (I normally only want 13inch) and has a dGPU

 

We don't have official prices for the next gen XPS 15, but according to XPS 15 2in1 prices, you will not able to buy even a basic model.
So 9560 with 16GB RAM + 512 SSD for 1500€ seems to be a nice deal for you.

 

Won't there be 2 models like now?
One "normal" model and 1 model that is 2in1?
Honestly, I find it hard to justify spending 2k+ on a laptop -_-


My friend has a 2in1 model and absolutely loves it but it doesn't interest me at all

 

Yes, both models will be available. I have a 2 in 1 at the moment too. I love it because when flying and I want to watch stuff, play games etc, I just pop it into tent mode. Great to have that option IMO. I am waiting to get the 32gb 2 in1 xps 15 to replace my Inspiron 13 2 in 1 I have now.

 

No, you've said more than enough already...

 

Exactly...being right is great is it not?

 

Man that's the coolest MSI ultrabook I've ever seen!

If it's not an April Fool's joke, it can compete with the new XPS for both performance and... design.

 

It's not a joke)
It is a trusted German online shop.

 

I splurged 1350e on the xps 512gb ssd. 330e discount + 10% off via student code.

I really wanted to wait for the new CPU but at 1350e, I can't complain too much i guess...

 

Yes, but unfortunately you are only very off topic with a pointless debate. If MacOS, Windows or Linux is best for a particular user depends on what they want and what they need, there is no "right" solution for everyone. The same goes for the XPS15 vs the MBP.

In fact, the only answer that is always incorrect is the one claiming one OS/laptop to be superior to the other in all regards.

 

I think, for this price it is a great deal for configuration with 16GB + 512SSD
For 1350€ you need to choice between heavy plasticky gaming models or more lightweight, but not so powerful ultrabooks.
XPS 15 just a sweet spot in your case.

 

Ok, the macbook got the look at me quotient that the xps don't have...there....that better?

 

https://twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/956138989068673024

not sure if this has been posted before... no 1060gtx max q

 

It was posted

Some CFL-H tests and comparison with 7700HQ
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...A-worthy-upgrade-from-Kaby-Lake.293900.0.html
Nothing shocking.
We have a better multicore performance and it is worth it only for persons who really using the multi thread optimised software.

 

Few videos with 9570 and specs sheet




As was expected:
New 6 core CPUs and up to 1050 Ti MaxQ.
Not much changed outside, but we have a new black color.
Available at 16 April.

 

So, all the new Intel Coffee Lake Laptop family is going to be available from 16 april.

 

I notice that, on the Dell website, the discounts being offered on the XPS 1560 are the lowest that they have been in about 6 months. That could be an indication that Dell has pared down its remaining inventory of the XPS 1560 to very low levels and that they don't feel the need to give deep discounts to clear out that inventory before making the XPS 1570 available. For the last week or so, XPS 1560 prices have been around $300 higher than they had been for most of the last several months.

 

Core i9 available on Dell XPS 9570? https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-D...-and-is-more-powerful-than-ever.293972.0.html

According to the last image posted, I'm worried about "Battery is built in the laptop and is not replaceable by the customer". In the 9560 the battery could be replaced removing screws: this means that in the 9570 it will be fixed with glue?

 

Very interested in the i9 8950HK. That can run upto 4.3GHz with all 6 cores, although there is at least a thermal switch at 50*C. . .

Also will be interested to see actual config of 1050Ti. . .

Wonder how Dell reworked thermals inside for all this

 

Since the article also says "The battery too, remains the same — you get to choose between a 56 WHr or a 97 WHr non-user replaceable battery", my guess would be that "not replaceable by the customer" simply means that replacing the battery requires removing the bottom of the computer.

 

Ha. Wishful thinking.

 

I expect that there will be a very significant price premium for the Core i9 8950HK processor over the cost of the Core i7 850H processor, at least, for quite some time. I"ll be surprised if the list price for an XPS 9750 with the Core i9 processor isn't somewhat over $3000, and discounting of an XPS 9750 with the Core i9 processor is likely to be limited for some time.

 

I wish the XPS 9570 with Core i9 won't transform itself in a portable grill

 

No it won't. It will throttle ;( Maybe not with the GPU off, but max freqs with all cores active are TDP limited anyway.

 

I'm pretty curious about its performance, anyway. Perhaps Apple will make a super MacBook Pro with i9, too

 

Well, any laptop that enables you to stay on topic has my vote for sure.

 

A fairly conservative upgrade, but I do like the port selection, retaining the massive battery, and the matte display option continuing. From the new Dell XPS 13, I was expecting more changes, but I am okay with this approach, which retains the USB A ports and card reader, while upgrading the TB3 and HDMI ports, and adding the fingerprint sensor to the power button. It did get outshined by the Gigabyte Aero 15 and the MSI GS65, which have more attention grabbing features, like 144 HZ displays, however. The i9 option seems to be a ripoff, and will probably be priced accordingly. Fine with the 1050 TI Max-Q, just hoping the cooling system will handle it and the CPU to a decent degree.

 

I expected to find more USB-C and less USB-A , too.

 

I am on topic, Just because you have your knickers in a knot does not mean anything. I am talking about how awesome the xps 15 is. Comparing it to the competition is proof of how it is BETTER.

 

Well, can't argue with the fact that you have proven a thing or two lately. Glad to hear that you like the XPS15, its a great laptop.

 

It is.

 

First benchmarks (not in the XPS though) of the 8850H shows massive gains in multicore workloads (40% or so), but only in short workloads. The 70 watt TDP is limited to 25 seconds, which is needed for the 3.9GHz turbo boost on all 6 cores. After that, it drops to 3.3GHZ on all cores, decreasing further by thermal throttling and decreasing it's lead over the 7700HQ.

Taking in regard Dell's track record with keeping the XPS lineup cool, we can assume it will throttle massively even in its initial 25 seconds workload turboboost.

 

Hehe... Well I think it might be actually able to sustain such load if the dGPU is idle... after the repaste of course And if Dell doesn't kill turbo TDP

 

Oh Jesus, Here we go again. Yeah I throttles...but it still kicks the competitions ass in speed EVEN WHEN THROTTLEING.....If you don't want a computer to throttle, build a big desktop with lots of fans etc.

 

Maybe it will need some undervolt, as usual with Intel (LOL)

 

Intel XTU allowed us to boost power limits and times significantly, although user needs to keep a close eye on temps. I wonder if Dell & Intel will let those boosts slide through on the 8850H.

This could also be done with ThrottleStop (but with Skylake & Kaby Lake required an additional registry tweak via RW-Everything, which may be different with this new generation of CPUs).

 

We know it throttles, and yes, we can probably solve a part of that throttling with undervolting and repasting. But what I see is something else. Nearly all 7700HQ's throttle when not undervolted and repasted. However, the 7700HQ has a max. extended TDP of 45 watt (or is it 56 watt?). That is *far* lower than 70 watt the 8850H needs for it's full turboboost. Which means that even if you use throttlestop to extended the powerlimit, you will almost certainly run into throttling with the 8850H.

What I want to know, is it worth in getting an 8850H over an 8750H if it is going to throttle anyway. And then we aren't even beginning to talk about the i9. You can forget overclocking with these TDPs.

 

Please elaborate on how a throttling CPU in a XPS15 can beat the same CPU not throttling in another laptop?

 

Yes, you are correct. No matter what laptop/brand/CPU we are discussing its important to separate facts from fiction. Just wanting something to be true does not make it so. Considering the actual throttling problems with the 9560, I would be surprised if the 9570 didn't have the same problems. Especially considering tests that show that actual toothpaste seem to offer better cooling than Dells thermal paste...

 

Im not going down that damn rabbit hole again. All I will say is that most EVERY laptop throttles at some point. Depending on the laptop we are talking about...please give me an example of a laptop you think does not throttle and we will continue. thanks!

For S&G's, we will take the xps 15's direct competition...the macbook pro. who also has throttling happening. Therefore, see my video I posted a couple of pages back. the XPS flat out destroys the macbook converting HD video. Sorry, please continue trying to make your point. Don't pick a gaming deivce, as it's not the xps's reason for living. Gaming deivce are heavy tanks. The xps is not made for gaming. Keep that in mind when you pick your non throttling device. Slim lightweight high powered 15" notebook.

 

Throttling isn't about being a laptop or not but how the thermals and cooling are working in combination with what CPU you have and how you are using it. Most CPU in laptops will throttle at some point

Anyone wanting a laptop where performance is the number one priority should get neither the XPS15 nor the MBP, but instead get a real workstation like the Thinkpad P-series or HP ZBook.

Which XPS is it that you have today BTW?

 

I have an Inspiron 7000 right now. I am placing my order for the 15 2 in 1 in the next couple of weeks. why?