New Dell XPS L521X (Ivy Bridge)

Nope there is not

 

Again? Guys, please use Google! As of today, it seems not.

 

I believe the hints were going towards no, but we won't know for sure until release. The Inspiron 17 are probably the best *known* bet, or maybe Alienware.

 

My current Dell laptop must have caught on that I've been looking for a replacement, because I think my hard drive is failing. I ordered a new 7200 rpm drive from Newegg, which I may be able to move to a new system. That is, of course, if Dell ever decides to release a new system. Asus is taking forever to release their new zenbook as well. The UX32VD is mighty tempting. I was also about to buy an ipad and then the MS Surface was announced. I hate technology sometimes--always something better (or potentially better) just around the corner.

 

Maybe next week is the lucky week!

 

Haha my thoughts exactly. There is so much competition in the consumer computing market right now (which is awesome for us) but it makes choosing something so difficult.

I started thinking about a new laptop for my mom almost two years ago; then I read about upcoming "ultrabooks" so I waited. When the first ultrabooks were released, they were too expensive so I waited. Now prices are more reasonable, but Windows 8 is about to come out so I'm thinking of waiting. If I wait until the Fall when Win8 is released, then 3 months later the Win8 Pro Surface tablet will be out. And by then CES 2013 will have a whole roster of new awesome devices to wait for.

It's a never ending cycle of indecision lol.

 

Exactly! Now that my new hard drive is here and waiting to be installed, I've been thinking maaaybe my current laptop will last until Haswell and the new Win 8 pc's next year, lol. I can just lurk in the L521X owner's thread and live vicariously through all of the people who are smart enough to realize that when you need/want something, you buy it. ; ) I am pretty excited about this new Dell though. This thread has been a great source of info.

 

sorry form my perspective, windows 8 is a joke and will never be as good windows 7. there is just not enough features and they have taken too many features out to be more like apple's os system. I like to control my OS not be hindered by it.

 

UX32VD is available on amazon today, ships in 8-9 days, also on excaliberpc

I think one potential issue with the prime books is that supposedly they are still using the same trackpad as last year.

 

Guys I will buy a new laptop soon and I was already thinking of buying the new Vaio S15 but now Dell is going to release new Dell XPS 15 with Ivy bridge and honestly I am lost whether to wait and see the new Dell XPS 15 or to go for Vaio S15

I have never tried or owned a Dell laptop before and that Dell looks interesting especially with its specs and weight.

Now for someone that needs a great display for work the Sony Vaio S15 got Full HD IPS display while Dell XPS 15 from the specs in that Chinese website will have only Full HD , some friends tell me I should not leave the IPS display but on the other hand we got Red/orange issue in Sony Vaio S15

So I am asking is there a huge difference between the full HD and full HD IPS ??

 

That's what MS history says.

Win 98 > Good
Win ME > Fail
Win 2000 > GOOD
Win NT > Fail
Win XP > Good
Win Vista > Fail
Win 7 > Good
Win 8 > Fail
Win 9 > Good
Win 10 > Fail



Just my two cents

 

IPS = In Plane Switching. An IPS display has a wider range of angles at which you can look at the display and keep seeing images properly, but this has nothing to do with image quality. From my point of view, a bad color reproduction affects display performance much more, because you can always inclinate the display or the laptop at the optimum angle, but you can't change how your display shows colors. I've been waiting without a PC for 3 weeks so far, I think you should be patient and wait a week, just to have all the options on the table, and then you'll be able to chose the one which better fits your needs, maybe with the help of some fresh reviews

P.S.: Judge on your own about the display, don't fall in the "IPS fever": current XPS 15 (L502X) Full HD R+GBLED display is already AMAZING, and we happened to know from a beta tester that the new Full HD display mounted on XPS 15 (L521X) will be much better..I think you won't be disappointed for your patience

 

Although there's a few mistake in the order and names, you have it almost right!

And there's a reson for that! There are two teams at microsoft working on windows... The one that innovates, create new features, make it really cool stuff (your "Fail").

And the other one that make it more stable, and benefits from backward compatibility because it's almost the same architechture underneath than the previous version (same drivers works, etc...)

For example, Vista was really innovative, but it was so new that no drivers were available at launch, software were not compatibles, etc... These facts made Vista look "bad", and even though everything was good after Service Pack 1, it was too late, reputation and rumors stayed! But when Windows 7 came out, the field was ready for it (drivers were compatibles, software too), so it felt "better" and "good" compared to the reputation of Vista.

It was the same thing with Windows 2000 -> XP ... If you remember the early days of 2000, it was spoken very badly of... The difference at the time was it's audience... Since 2000 was only for "Enterprise", it didn't make as much noise as Vista, which was also consumer oriented.

Wait till windows 8 comes out... It'll make a lot of people cry! And when 9 comes out... Everyone will say it's way better!

 

I know this was posted a while ago, but that's the exact same screen as the L502x's B+RGLED screen...

 

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Yep, this is not a public chatroom. There are both rules and basic forum etiquette to observe.

I deleted a few posts. No worries, they were already read by the relevant persons.

Yes, it is annoying when people jump into a thread asking simple questions that have been answered a number of times. But in their defense, the search function on this forum is pretty poor in this iteration. And no one can be reasonably sure that their question was answered just a few pages back.

So next time someone enters a thread asking basic questions, you can answer it in a basic manner, ignore it (which has the effect of making them look for the answer), or point them in the right direction - i.e. a few pages back.

We savvy, yeah?

 

i think your right, i think it was.

 

Thanks for explaining the difference to me I think I will wait for the reviews as well to see both laptops side by side to compare them for real.

 

Is it really not IPS? I'm in love with my IPS desktop display.

 

Actually we don't really know if it's IPS or not. It seems that it won't be IPS (according to the leaked informations), but nothing official has come on this side

 

But maybe you don't love a IPS display like HP or Sony use in their laptop:

Red color comparison between 2012 Envy 15 and an Acer AL1912, HP w2408h and Samsung Galaxy S

 

that might have changed with the new ivy bridge envys so maybe also the sonys cause apparently they using a diff panel

 

How can they DARE to sell a laptop with such a display?!?

 

honestly i dunno why that pic seems so off. i looked at my friend's envy and it wasnt nearly as bad. yes u could obviously tell but reds weren just orange. they had a tinge. but yeha that pic makes it look hella bad

 

From what i read yesterday look like Sony and HP use same display (same ID on Windows: LGD0323 is a LG panel)

Here you can read some review of this display:
AnandTech - Sony VAIO SE: An IPS Laptop for Under a Grand
HP Envy 15-3040nr Laptop Review - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

These reviews are from 3 months ago.
This LG panel does not seem good even in other specs...
(51% gamut, 547 contrast)

 

It is somewhat unfortunate that IPS has become a byword for quality display; it really isn't. There are desktop displays with IPS panels that aren't particularly good, either, and there are TN displays that are markedly better than said IPS displays. The more reasonable means of evaluating display quality are objective factors such as gamut, accuracy, gamma, contrast, brightness, and so forth.

 

thats the old panel. The ivy bridge refresh have different ones

and as for the specs: according to notebook check its 831:1 contrast and 80 percent gamut

i wonder why there is that much of a difference....

 

the lenovo is a little of 6 pounds ....... and its 1.4" thick

 

Can you send some link of where you read info about new display?

Notebookcheck review says 80% sRGB space, but Anandtech says 51% of adobeRGB space, and old XPS15 has 96% of adobeRGB space

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4274/dell-xps-15-l502x-now-with-sandy-bridge/6
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-XPS-15-FHD-Notebook.41509.0.html

 

THIS.

IPS is not always equal HIGH QUALITY. IPS is a technology; factors like design and manufacturing must be taken into account. There are excellent IPS screens, and there are lousy IPS screens.

Same with TN: There are awesome TN screens (a few) and there are mediocre TN screens (a lot).

 

I guess we have to wait and see. The only comforting element, at this time, is the general claim by downlinx that the new XPS 15 screen is "better." What that really means, in concrete qualitative terms, we don't know.

 

But, for the most part even a medicore IPS display is better than a good TN display. There are exceptions like the LG used in previous HP and Sony models..but that is the exception.

I have a dual monitor setup for my desktop. I have both an IPS display and a TN display. While the color is decent on both after calibration, I just can't get used to the TN vertical viewing angles. It causes the color and brightness to change in a vertical gradient due to the narrow viewing angles. In other words, no matter how I angle the monitor or where I place my head, the top of the panel does not look the same as the bottom. Same is true for my current laptop but it is even more annoying since it is less stationary. In the most optimal position the variance isn't terrible but it is still there. If my IPS panel wasn't sitting next to it then I probably wouldn't mind as much.

All that said, it might just be a difference in people's subjective priorities. I'm sure for some the narrow vertical viewing angles aren't bothersome.

 

uhh its under the envy forums. No official review but people saying the orangegate problem has been fixed..... now about faded blues idk haha. Ill keep u updated on the panel when I get mine.

yeah the panel in the xps is good in the gamut regard but the envy/sony panel has better contrast, darker blacks, more brightness distribution and about the same brightness .

What the guy in the post above me said, compared to the majority of the panels available in laptops the hp/sony panel I would say is still superior than most, the exceptions being the ips in the zenbook primes, the ips panels in the buiness notebooks, the retina display, and the 95% gamut display

 

According to review from Anandtech:
XPS15 L502X has better gamut (almost double), better contrast, better black level respect Envy/Vaio
With all the respect for Notebookcheck, but believe Anandtech is more reliable.
It is necessary also to consider that one of the biggest problems of the IPS Panel is the response time that it is not usually reviewed and in a multimedia laptop is a critical spec.

 

yeah anandtech is prolly more reliable . Well I already knew the xps 15 panel was amazing haha but its not the one going in this revision :S lets c what happens with this one

 

I don't think windows 8 is a bad os been using it as my default its quiet good but it has ways to go b4 I would consider it good for release

The metro UI I like I can see every thing I need to on the lock screen or start screen emails Instant messages and more

But the os still feels like two operation systems in desktop mode I feel like I'm in windows 7 then bam ur in the start screen to me the whole desktop mode needed to be metro styles and the explorer elements needed to be touch optimised I still see to many small icons / elements to tap on. The desktop mode an entire windows icon set should have been also given the metro make over so it feels more cohesive.

Access to things like shutdown / log off / lock, control panel, device stage and the system properties windows should have been made easier to get to and highly visible in both desktop mode and the start screen ..... for example on the start screen if i tap or click on my windows /windows live user account tile in the top right the options should read
1change account picture
2sign out
3log off
4lock
5power ( gives options of sleep, restart, hibernate and shutdown) or can be user defined to any one of the 4 in brackets
6 control panel
7 PC settings( metro style limited control panel)

Ms had a chance to change the desktop UI for the better and innovate there are more things like the metro UI/start screen should have been an option and offer a metro style start menu for legacy ppl

 

Right. This weakness manifests as "ghosting" or lingering of previous image. The ThinkPad X220 IPS screen, at one point, was suffering from this, in addition to the "backlight leaking" problem: random points at the edges showing bright spots.

Using an XPS 15 L502X at this moment and wondering why they don't continue to use the same panel in the new design. Let's hope the change is for the better.

 

Basically what you'll find in the user menu of Gnome-Shell in Linux!

 

yes they had a chance but you can not take features that have been in the OS for over 10 years that made it easier. There will not be a proper start menu. Metro UI is total junk and made for tablet/phone use. sorry but the usual user will find this as crap.
the logoff/shutdown menu were not that hard to find. sorry but this way of windows is turn backwards.

 

I agree 100%. Why can't Metro be like windows media center. It can launch when the PC starts automatically if you enable that feature. There is no need for Metro for business users, gamers, basically anyone except casual tablet type users.

 

I'm different, I find the Metro UI to be 100x better than the start menu, the new Start Screen is so much easier to use than the old start menu if you use it 24/7 for a while, change can be hard but I've found it to be quite a bit faster. I love the toast notifications for mail too.

 

all this can be solved by staying with windows 7 like how people stayed with xp when vista was released.....

 

Wow i didn't know the gt640 was this bad... NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 review roundup: a $99 card that fails to keep Kepler's promise -- Engadget this is making me rethink my decision of getting the XPS15. I wonder why they didn't just put in gt650m?

EDIT: Phew... just found out it's the desktop version they reviewed, the mobile version's pretty good according to engadget's review of the acer ultra m3 that packs a gt640m http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/04/acer-aspire-timeline-ultra-m3-review/
Speaking of gaming, we spent some time playing Team Fortress 2, Skyrim and Battlefield 3 to see just how well NVIDIA's newly minted GPU performs. Suffice to say, we weren't disappointed. The GT640M routinely delivered frame rates between 55 and 60 fps as we ran around torching folks in Team Fortress 2. During walkabouts in the empire of Tamriel, meanwhile, frame rates consistently hovered around 50fps, dipping into the 40s during battles. An NVIDIA rep promised its new Kepler architecture would enable us to play graphics-intensive Battlefield 3 at over 30fps in Acer's 20mm-thin machine, and it delivered. On its high setting, frame rates hovered in the mid to low 30s, and on medium we got between 40 and 45fps. (The ultra setting slowed gameplay to twenty-something fps, so if you demand the utmost from your gaming experience, the Ultra M3 isn't for you.)

That said, most users should find the Ultra M3 provides ample horsepower to get their game on, and its capabilities truly are impressive given the machine's svelte profile. But, there's a catch. In order to take full advantage of the hardware, you'll be chained to a wall outlet -- to conserve the battery, the GPU performance is severely curtailed when the machine's not plugged in. That's a serious drag, because a big part of the Acer's appeal is its prodigious gaming prowess in a super portable profile, but this limitation takes that away. We know that such sessions would necessarily be quite short due to the battery drain they would entail, but it sure would be nice to at least have the option to switch to a more performance-oriented battery profile during, say, a 30-minute train commute.

Benchmarks roughly mirrored our in-game experience (including a reliance on the AC adapter), as the M3 smoked PCMark Vantage with a score of 11,545 and pulled off an impressive 11,128 in 3DMark06.

 

the 640m and the desktop 640 are different cards... unfortunately most of the time the mobile cards are weaker than the desktop

 

That card is not what is going in the XPS 15. This card AnandTech - Dell XPS One 27 Review: The Premium All-in-One is going in the XPS 15. Also, the XPS is more of a multimedia/pretty machine, NOT a gaming laptop (correct me if I'm wrong Bill). If you want a gaming laptop, go alienware. The fact it can game a little is a bonus. Compare it to last years XPS 15 and this one is a gaming powerhouse. That machine had anemic card choices.

 

It is easier to an extent because I have my most used apps pinned to my task bar and at the front / top of my start screen on a 1080 screen u will see even more and be able to run the desktop along side a metro app and be comfortable I like some notifications / metro features the callendar is brilliant my school, Facebook, Hotmail all merge in calendar with different colours in one view for every thing with pop up reminders you just have a hard time adapting

My point is if the UI was cohesive and consistent between the desktop and star screen even icons it would be better + if you right click on where the start button was u get a menu with control panel and system management and advanced features

But they need to bring shutdown and other option that were right there in your face back to right there and easy to get to other the. The metro inconsistency and UI quirks

Windows 8 is fast, responsive and offers some good new features that's not in ur face but will be appreciated I still think they should have given ppl a metro stykes start menu but still keep the ability to use metro apps an. Switch as well as give users info like number of email if u see windows phone 8 the small tiles give you info but are small and would fit in a start menu sized frame seriously Microsoft need to call me I'll help them

 

Anyone notice Bill didn't answer our questions today? Either he was really busy/off or... well..

 

Well simple buy a Lenovo y580. I don't game much but when I do I want the power ..... and performance so if by august dell does not put a GT 650M or GTX660M in the XPS 15 I will be getting the Y580 even if its 1.4" thick ,6+ pounds and has a poorer quality 1080p screen .... sorry dell

And if the sound from the xps is a let down y580 it is that my two systems to choose from as the reviews come out

 

Well, it is getting very close to launch as per his twitter.

 

i guess since i have been in sestem support, i would rather have more control over windows. They really did not build this around business support. I could care less about how it looks, i am more about the function and they have restricted or taken out the best power tools.

 

I don't see any recent tweets by him?