New Dell XPS L521X (Ivy Bridge)

Maybe is price for all chassis in fact with gorilla glass, display could be glued to glass and glass glued to the rest of chassis....
No chance to change display to yourself like previous generation.

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XPS L502X

LCD,15.6FHD,B+RG,LED,TLF,AUO.
Unit price: $ 365.69(+ VAT and delivery costs)

 

let me get this straight...

Dell is not going to offer ANY hardware customization on the XPS 14 and 15?? If I wanted to buy a cookie-cutter best buy laptop... I wouldn't be ordering the computer online, because doing so is absolutely pointless.

I have been so ready to pull the trigger and dump a lot of money into a new XPS... but this complete lack of options is a deal breaker. If i'm going to spend $1300+... i want to pick which CPU, RAM, GPU, and screen my notebook has. Cookie-cutter laptops always have at least one feature that I despise... which is why I always buy custom.

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Noticed that too? There's always one, and only one wrong feature in a cookie-cutter. And usually, the only way to get everything you want is to go way overboard in size, weight, and price... Only to get a lot of thing you didn't want. Very expensive, which in itself is a deal breaker to me.

It's the same reason I always build my towers myself... But when in comes to laptop, I have to rely on Dell for customization... If only we could get back to the old days of the Inspiron 9400... That was a cusotmizable laptop... Could change GPU, CPU, RAM, and put XPS hardware in it!

 

i think that's to keep cost down @ 0.95" thick GPU is soldered on as well as the CPU because they have listed different mother boards with CPU & GPU options means is soldered on where lucky the ram isn't soldered to the board as well. the only things customisable will be HHD / SSD capacity, amount of ram and weather its DVD or Blue-ray i suspect

 

Of course... At 0.95", you have no choice but to solder...

I accept that, it's compromise for size... As long as they offer enough combination, or in other words, offer many different motherboards though

 

many motherboard if over kill an will drive up price but im guess 8 MB will be enough 4 i5's /4 i7's boards with graphics dont make a difference to me cuz non of them got the 650m and the Lenovo y580 has minor keyboard flex and performance isn't up there so far @ least without the SSD so dell idk what im buying

 

Hey Bill, since there is literally nothing but price left to the imagination, could you convince your bosses to let us see the manual.

 

Oopsy. Another slip. The XPS 14 must hit Tuesday. See the fine print from the financing offer:

 

that will never happen, i do not even have the manual.

 

Great spot!

 

Any screen talk,downlinx?

 

Now my question is how long until some of these end up in Outlet. I usually buy most of my stuff from there. I think the XPS13 took a few weeks, maybe a month, before stock went there. I start classes again mid-August, so hopefully I can snag one by then.

@Bill: Anyway to have an Outlet machine with just a blank install? No reason for an OS if I'm just going to throw Linux on there anyway. The extra couple $ saved from the Win7 install would be nice, too.

 

It'll be at least a month if not longer.

No chance of a blank installation on refurbished systems...

 

Drat! Well, at least with no customization it will be easier to grab a highend model. Before I'd have to look through each build to see what screen, webcam, backlight, hdd, ram, etc was included. Now it seems like only the hdd/ram will vary.

 

Or you can try to contact dell and request a refund How To Return Windows 7 And Keep Your New PC - Business Insider

 

Seems like such a hassle and a definite YMMV. Why not just keep windows 7 and dual boot linux?
OEMs get the keys in license bulk and the refund probably won't be much

 

Well, it's a principle: I already have a Windows 7 professional license, why should I pay another one for nothing? I don't even care about Home Edition...Hopefully sooner or later someone in the market will finally understand this simple, elementary principle of fair marketing. I (and I think 99% of the customers) want to spend my money for hardware, not for useless software

 

Yeah I understand that you want it like that. I wish they could just make it easier to customize too. I don't want to start off with home premium, they should give me an option to have professional preinstalled. I don't have keys lying around. But the article is definitely a YMMV. Just tells you to call CS...pretty much no brainer?

 

99% of the customers don't have a spare windows key laying around somewhere, your argument makes no sense, Windows 7 HP is not 'useless' to the vast majority of consumers who would buy this laptop, why would they even bother with a non-windows version? It costs under $15/computer last I checked to add Windows 7 to it, I see no reason why they wouldn't add Windows into the price as the vast majority of consumers want Windows, and don't have a random spare key laying around.

I'm not sure how you can even begin to assume that there's enough of a market for the laptop w/o windows for it to make even the slightest business sense.

 

The majority wins. I wonder if one can extend your logic to include the fact that one already have certain components lying around and the manufacturers must cater to the "needs" of bare machines. Companies can respect your principle, but that does not mean that they will organize their operations to entertain it.

On the other hand, certain users build their desktop computers with the hardware and software parts that they specifically want.

 

What was the source? People who got refunded got more than 15$ back...

I would also like to avoid the Windows Tax if possible, since I still have 4 licences left for Windows 7, 4 vista and 2 xp.

It makes no sense to me, to pay for something I already have!

 

In case anyone is wondering what the benefit of MSATA slot is, I believe it is not for storage, but system responsiveness. It should take advantage of Intel Rapid Start and also Smart response, resulting in almost SSD like performance for frequently used files and practically instant boot from sleep especially when combined with Windows 8.

Good whitepaper here on the new technology likely to be included. This system is gonna rock!

Dell Whitepaper: Intel Responsiveness Technologies Setup Guide - Direct2Dell - Direct2Dell - Dell Community

 

@ Dell-Bill_B

I was hoping you'd be able to answer my questions here, but perhaps you can't/missed it/etc: http://forum.notebookreview.com/del...ell-xps-l521x-ivy-bridge-289.html#post8634999

Anyway, I was wondering if you could give us some insight on what the kind of feedback you get from customers on display quality in your high end (XPS) consumer laptops. I like the NBR community, but I feel like you can find yourself thinking that everyone wants a 1080p, IPS or PLS, 95% gamut screen. What does a typical XPS customer look for in a screen? Does the typical customer just look at the numbers (i.e. res, nits)?

 

Well...I just don't know one single person who doesn't get the PC and format it in the first 2 days to install a different version of Windows, or at least to get rid of all the stuff they pre-install (like mcafee/roxio demos, or garbage like that)..I'm not saying that Home Edition is useless and Professional isn't. I'm saying that many many people already have a license of some kind, because they bought it or because they have it for free through school programs or work, and many other people simply use Linux, and they don't give a **** about Windows at all So why should we pay extra money for an OS that we already have? It's not the same thing than laptop's components: nobody take components from an older PC to put them in a new one, just because they change and improve every 6 months

 

So they format it, and reinstall the version of Windows that came with the laptop... if it didn't come with the laptop they'd have nothing to reformat and reinstall.... not very many people have a license of some kind, why are you assuming such things? 'many' people do not use linux, Windows has well over 80% marketshare..

 

Your logic is understood and even shared by many people, so much so that this is not the first time it was raised. One is bound to come across sentiments like yours (and the for/against arguments that ensue) in virtually every computer-related forum.

But, is it worthwhile to raise it again here, in the "New Dell XPS L521X" thread? Or are we bored with waiting for real announcements?

 

Obviously they don't reinstall the same version

I know it's not related with L521X itself, but we've discussed of so many things in this thread..I just hope that Dell sooner or later will decide to put OS and softwares as optional, because for software it's not a matter of costs of production..They can do it at no cost

 

I just agree there should be an option to do such a thing. Since I am in engineering at me university I get free Windows 7 professional and other software. It is much nicer to install a clean version of Windows without all of the bloatware (Vizio) and maybe save a little cash in the process.

 

The financing offers on the current XPS 15 expire on the US site on 06/27/12. So I am thinking, the new one hits on that date, or one day before or after.

 

And who posted it on dell's webiste?..... Our dear Bill

I didn't even boot my last PC once before formatting it

And wouldn't it make a shorter process for Dell to skip software install on some machines? I mean, wouldn't it save them some money too, it they added this to their process?

The only reason I can think of, for not providing this "hidden feature" (I agree with the stupid customer reason, but should be possible via phone at least), is Microsoft Lobying...

Just look at secure boot... Microsoft again trying to enforce their slowly decreasing monopoly won't help them in the long run...

I'm not bashing Microsoft products (I love many of them), only their business way of doing things. It's an old business model that isn't viable these days!

 

No they would lose money, bloatware is where their largest margins are.

 

ahhh... Makes absolute sense!

Forgot the old rule, that making money by alienating a few of your clients, and counting on the ignorance of the majority is a good way to make business...

I guess I was a bit naive to think Dell would be better than the others about this and to treat all their customers with equal consideration

Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry, just feeling resigned... And it won't change the fact that there's 99.999% chance that I'm going to buy a Dell, and 80% chances it's gonna be the L521X (if they would ever release such a product ).

 

In germany most universities take part in the MSDNAA programm, so most students get at least 4 Windows 7 Professional keys for free.

And it doesn't take much effort to NOT install windows, so why don't the offer it and make the 1% (or more?) happy?

 

Someone already replied about bloatware being a profit, but I'd also like to comment on two other things.

1. The extreme vast majority of PC purchasers use whatever OS it comes with. These people will not be here on NBR to speak up.

2. Offering a no OS option or bloatware free option wont' save Dell much time at all. If they operate anything like my company, I suspect they have a system image for each hardware configuration and just image the drives. There is no installing of software. Its done once and done for each config.

 

Ka-ching!!! Sale made (or soon to be). "Principles" temporarily forgotten.

 

All I know for sure is if any system we release qualifies for a student discount from Dell (your uni may have a separate deal), it will appear as available for purchase on Dell University.

re: student discount, see above.

CM, awesome! I'm a big fan of your community's work. Loved CM7 on my Fascinate, and once I tire of the lulzfest that is HTC Sense, I'll be doing it again on my Rezound. I give it another month or so.

Name dropping alert!
Are you on Twitter? I'm Twitter buddies with DJSteve and J Morales.

Not gonna happen. Check back with me mid-week next week, and I probably won't have to answer this question.

If your question back then was what do I think about the weight spec and UB, I was always under the impression Intel stipulated 4 lbs as the max, but as it turns out, there is no weight requirement.
As far as customer feedback on screens for XPS, most don't get into the nitty gritty like we do here. As long as it's defect free, HD or HD+, not glossy and has decent viewing angles, they're happy.

 

What will I do for entertaining riddles after next week?

 

I've already spoken to dell reps, and I know for a fact they ship the 630M as a die shrunk 28nm card. As far as Sony goes, I have no idea what they ship their 640LE with.

I DO know that the Vizio computers ship with GDDR5 640M LE (from speaking with a rep) which means the performance on those should be just shy of the dell all in one XPS 27 on Anandtech, which seems like some good news to me.

 

I am glad they are using the die shrunk version. It makes sense as well since they seem to be after extreme battery life.

 

Well, it seems as though use of 630M shouldn't do much for battery life, since Optimus will disable that GPU when not in use anyway. Maybe I don't understand how Optimus works, though. Seems like product differentiation (from M14x? XPS 15?) might be more likely culprit?

 

Same here at my university, in Quebec, Canada

True, by the lack of a better choice... It's like when I go to vote during an election... I vote for the "lesser evil" of the available candidates, which is often the less experienced one, so it'll take him more time before being as corrupt as the others, and will be the one to try to work for the people who elected him the longest.

If only we could get what we really want/hope for

That's what I was thinking too... But it's still one less step... Just not "less" enough compared to pushing bloatware to your customer, and gaining a few dollars from the companies that make the included bloatware.

 

Me too, maybe with different probability, but in case I'll buy those unknown-don't-know-what-will-be-maybe-a-magician-hat , it won't prevent me to ask the refund, if the EULA permits...

 

Theres a 40nm and a 28nm 630M. I was commenting on the fact Dell is wise to use the 28nm part if that information is true.

 

It's the Kepler one, in the Vaio S.

 

Hey Bill. By mid next week, will retailers like Best Buy and Microcenter have inventory for sale for this imaginary laptop?

 

thnx but that link goes for us students pls i u could give info for student discount cupon in India

 

Even my non-techie family and friends hate HTC Sense. I find its just too cluttered and always feels like its in the way. That said, I haven't messed with the new HTC Sense 4 yet, perhaps its getting better.

I haven't followed the Rezound development but hopefully it can get some stable CM9/ICS love soon.

I'm @Dalingrin on twitter.

 

I thought the GDDR5 was only available on the Fermi versions of that card? So I guess we now know which version will be in the Vizio AnandTech - NVIDIA's GeForce 600M Series: Mobile Kepler and Fermi Die Shrinks

I haven't used CM9 lately. For some reason it always crashed my Nexus. I loved it on my touchpad though. Until I realized I'm just not a tablet person.

 

The 640m LE in the Vaios are DDR3 so they're pretty much trash laptops IMO...