New Dell XPS L521X (Ivy Bridge)

This xps isn't loud nor heavy lol

 

Ispiron and XPS have same CPU, and we don't know exactly the difference between GT640m and 7730m, but looks exactly same level, but 7730m is directx 11.1 instead gt640m not.
Precision & Alienware are best for both CPU and GPU, but Precision has GPU with drivers certified for professional software, but Precision has better screens and many professional customization.
Precision e Latitude respect some military standard for resistance.
Vostro is super cheaper line

Precision is real premium line of Dell

 

actually your right it is not loud, but it is heavy. it is heavier than my sager 9150, which is saying alot.

 

Catching up on the thread but just replying to this before I lose it: Yep. You can be stuck with anywhere between 6 month old and 2 year old drivers >.>

Unless they've changed it. But I asked a rep about the Vaio S and he said they "had no information" which sounds like a dodge to me.

I think you can if you modify some files, but it's an unnecessary hassle for me, and I believe it voids the warranty.

 

Really because with the coupon code floating around I built the same thing with i7 and 1080p screen. Can easily swap out(or add) with a blu-ray player and still come out hundreds cheaper.

 

Yeah, but with a 400 dollar "coupon"

That is not the actual price of the ENVY. When Dell comes out with coupons for their XPS it will be similar. Comparing apples and oranges now.

 

Doesn't matter. It's the price the consumer pays today so it's about as actual as it gets. HP has one now and Dell doesn't so that's what you compare. You don't know that Dell will come out with one yet or what it will be.

 

Of course it matters, you are comparing apples to oranges. When the HP launched, it was the higher price. The Dell has just been launched, hence the higher price. You are questioning Dell's launch price, so lets stick to the topic, ok?

 

The 'actual price' of the Envy is whatever people have to pay right now, irrespective of the means by which that price is set (e.g. by coupon). At any given time, Dell has to compete on that price, not the price excluding promotional offers. It may very well be the case that, in the future, Dell offers discounts on the XPS. However, that is not the case now, and the most representative comparison for the present includes whatever discounts HP is offering. Put another way, if someone were intending to buy a laptop today, do you think they would use the pre-coupon price of the HP as the basis of comparison when deciding between the Dell and HP? No, of course they wouldn't, since the pre-coupon price doesn't represent what they would actually have to pay.

It is not 'apples to oranges' or otherwise a false analogy. Dell is launching against the HP Envy (and others) as they exist now, not as they existed in the past. It is little consolation that some product was more expensive in the past, as the conditions of its introduction may have been different or, if not, those conditions may have necessitated the reduction in price. In either case, then, there is reason to believe the XPS launch price may not be competitive.

 

I know their warranty terms, but if I'm not mistaken, aren't a lot (i.e. all) laptop vendors worse than Dell when it comes to warranty? That's something they do absolutely fantastically. The Vizio laptop DOES come with 90 days of microsoft technical support/warranty as well, so theoretically you can always take it into a microsoft shop I think. But I expect the Vizio to lose out on warranty, pretty much everyone does

For 1050$ though, the Vizio (Or samsung series 7) seem like fantastic buys. You get more than HP will give you (I think, could be wrong) in an (arguably) more stylish package. But more kind of depends on what you like/need, so that's up to your own interpretation. I would absolutely get a new Vostro or Inspiron SE if they only had GT graphics. (I keep saying this, Optimus owns AMD).

Take a look at Samsung series 7 or the Vizio?

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Serie...qid=1340767971&sr=8-1&keywords=np700z5c-s01us

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0088L18E0

Vizio lets you make upgrades without voiding your warranty, and in my experience they have pretty decent customer service. Not saying it's better than Dell, but I think both are more than adequate, so I feel like something else should help him answer his Q.

I think the Inspiron compares well to a lot of the laptops we're talking about. Arguably, couldn't you pit the Inspiron SE against the Envy? Or the Vizio/SamsungS7 or the Asus? You might have a bit cheaper build quality, but pretty nice specs nevertheless.

I think Dell made a good move with the XPS personally. Think about it: In the 900-1300$ space, they already had the Inspiron SE, whose specs matched up pretty nicely against all the other laptops that I've/we've mentioned. And doesn't it have some aluminum construction? I don't think it's all plastic. And with the XPS, they give the option for a more premium buy, with immaculate (presumably) build quality and decent specs. If you are worried about being price effective, you can consider the Inspiron SE versus HP and all of them, if you need a premium product, the XPS is the way to go.

Bill, if you see this, any idea if this is kind of what Dell was thinking? The Inspiron SE came out around the time that all the refreshes were out, so maybe that's what they intended for, in which case maybe the marketing should have been more heavy on it

I think Dell made a good move with the XPS when I think about it. If you want a cost effective product, get the Inspiron. Sure, you might get more with the dv series from HP (barely), but dv build quality is mediocre at best. They clearly aren't going for apple style marketing imo, because although the XPS is expensive, they haven't left the middle market. If you think about it, they "expanded" their product line. Inspiron = cheap, Inspiron SE = old XPS niche, XPS = new XPS premium niche.

 

Umm..even with no coupons, the Envy is about $300 cheaper with the i7 and 1080p screen. Plus it has IPS and slightly faster cpu.

Inspirons are pretty cheaply built. That would be a no - it compares to the HP dv6t series

I really wish Sony had some better GPU offerings in their S series. They are pretty sharp looking.

 

Why can't people just buy what they like without someone deriding them as "fanboy" or the uber-hyperbolic "putting shame...on anyone who buys this"?
I'm not trying to flame you or get into a debate, but jeez, dude. Give it a rest. I respect your opinions. I read them when you post them, but I think there's no need to denigrate other customers for their preferences. Knock Dell all you want. Knock me all you want. We want to hear your criticism, and frankly we pay more attention to negative comments than positive ones. But please, for the sake of decorum, don't insult or talk down to someone over their brand preference. We don't mock yours, whatever it may be.

Online. I thought that was the context of your comment that I quoted, no? I could be wrong...often am.

Don't believe I ever said that, but if I did, I was mistaken or just plain wrong. The base is mag alloy with a silicone coating.

Just sent the question over. Will post back when I get an answer.

Sorry. I tried to bom those sku's down to figure out what they were, but evidently there's a different internal tool for AUS than the one I have for the US.

Accidental damage for a year is standard in the US, but you're in the UK? I forget.

I haven't checked my Dell forums PM in about 3 years. However, I will ask my great, good friend Lorna to pop in and see what she can do.

I could be wrong, but I don't know of anyone that has a slot loading 7mm BD writer, but points taken. Thanks for the feedback. I'll pass it along.

Don't forget if you want a Dell with nice component specs priced lower than XPS, there's the Inspiron R S/E, which I consider more of a direct competitor with at least some of the systems mentioned here as XPS competitors.

I lol'd. I think the counter to this argument was the $400 coupon from HP. We won't be offering a $400 coupon on launch day +1. Just to throw that out there. The laws of supply and demand tell us we should see pricing drop over time until we hit market equilibrium. Right about that time, we'll all be in a new speculation thread talking about the next XPS, I suspect.

 

yo do realize that when the new envy first came out there was a 33% off coupon which i used to get 600$ off to get price at around 1.35k for the laptop in my sig? there are always coupons going around for the envys

 

So because Dell launched 2nd they should sell at a vastly reduced profit? Seriously, you have NO idea of how business works. Just because HP choose to discount does not mean Dell on LAUNCH have to match. Do Apple reduce their laptops on launch because they are the most expensive in their market, no! Do you have to buy the laptop, NO!

I wish all the people with HP or other laptops would bugger off out of this thread. I am sick and tired of reading pages and pages of cost and whinging and moaning. You have no intention of buying, nor do many others like you so therefore stop posting. Oh and don't give me any crap about you can post if you want to, you are trying to derail what used to be an informative thread which is against forum rules.

 

Based on the responses of many people in this thread, price comparison is a relevant discussion.

Agreed 100%

I only see one person whining here. Dell is free to price as they choose and they did. But they have to understand where they are pricing themselves against their competitors current offerings. If I was HP I'd relaunch the 33% off coupon they were offering to try and sway the ones on the fence about current XPS pricing.

I'm a Dell owner. I was looking to buy on launch day. I have just as much right to voice my disappointment with the pricing as you do to voice your approval.

 

Xps is available on best buy website saying coming soon. Base model priced at $1,048. They won't tell me when it'll be able to be purchased.

 

Well, looks cheaper at Best Buy

Maybe I'll go this route then... The advantage to buy through Dell was customization, but now, Dell doesn't offer any...

P.S. There's now a 4th choice for the XPS15 on Dell.ca (Canada)

 

I think you are looking at the wrong one. The one with NEW! next to it starts at 1199 and the higher end model is 1579.

Amazon is best deal because no taxes(for me).

 

Thanks for backing me up guys. Of course I'm comparing prices with the coupon codes factored in. That is the reality of the present day situation. I'm not comparing the laptops in a fantasy world where you must pay MSRP. Bottom line, if Dell wants to be competitive with the Envy, give me a $500 coupon. To me, they should reward the early adopters like those of us that stalk this forum daily anxiously awaiting the product release

HP ENVY:
3rd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM Processor (2.3 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
1GB Radeon(TM) HD 7750M GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
15.6-inch diagonal Radiance Full HD Infinity LED-backlit Display (1920 x 1080)

Better proc, better GPU, better dispaly for $1,204.99. That's with a $400 off coupon. Would have been even cheaper if they still offered the 33% coupon that was available a few weeks ago.

Please don't compare Dell to Apple. Apple is a luxury computer maker who NEVER discounts their products. It's part of their strategy. It has not been part of Dell's in the past. Why would they suddenly change?

 

They do not have to understand anything! Pages and pages of the same thing does not help anybody. You are essentially telling Dell how to run their business, good luck.

So buy the Envy and stop posting the same thing over and over then!

 

@Bill: Is there a reason why there are no BluRay options in the Netherlands and Belgium? They're there in France, but every configuration in BE/NL gets a plain DVD drive ? :S (And it's even more expensive in BE/NL!)

 

If I'm not mistaken, the Inspiron SE has an aluminum lid and some special kind of plastic, the build quality should not be as bad as a normal inspiron. Bill could give some insight maybe?

Uh, can you link this? You can get a 900$ Inspiron SE with an AMD 7730M, i5-3210M, 6GB Ram, 750GB Hard drive, a 1080P display, and Dell support.

For 950$ on HP's website (I believe that is the cheapest configuration of the Envy with the coupon), you get an i5-3210M, 7750M, 1366x768 display, 6GB RAM, and a 750GB harddrive. And probably slightly better build quality, and HP support.

The IPS display will set you back another 150$. And if we go up to 1100$ for the Inspiron SE, you get a 3612QM, 8GB Ram, 1TB + 32 msata SSD as well. The only thing I really see the Envy winning in is build quality, GPU (at low price point), and a slightly slightly better GPU. At higher price point, it gets a much worse CPU and worse storage system. Of course, it is better if you leave the Inspiron's price point. But is that better GPU/build quality/display (only available at the top of the Inspiron's Price) really worth losing out on the CPU, storage, and dell support?

Edit: The 1100$ Inspiron also has a blu ray drive.

See the above ^.^

For 100$ more, you get a better display, slightly better CPU and GPU, slightly better build quality (presumedly, although we haven't seen any reviews on the Inspiron SE), I think less RAM, no msata SSD, no blu ray drive, and no Dell support

That said I still think the envy can be a good buy, just thought I'd compare them. (And i have personal issues with HP so i would never want one )

Double edit: Envy design is probably better in most people's opinions too.

 

We qualify and develop component aggregations (configs) here in Austin. It's up to the regions to choose the configs they want to offer, based on knowing their own market. Sometimes they misjudge. Most times they don't have the offering that a minority in their regions want but cover the majority. Sometimes they find out down the road that they were wrong. Sometimes they correct that wrong.

Case in point (and I'm not using my official corporate login to say anyone was wrong): There's no SSD-only config in the US. This was raised on this thread yesterday. This morning I chatted with the US merchandising lead who made the call. He's looking into it and awaiting social media reporting from my "sister team." Once he has the report, I'm betting he will have something to think about.

 

Dell, there seems to be a problem with the UK site. I wanted to buy online, but I am unable to. Any ideas what is going on?

 

Quick question for Bill.

Have you heard anything about why all the configs have been pulled from near on all sites apart from the US?

 

Dell - 14" XPS Laptop - 4GB Memory - 500GB Hard Drive + 32GB Solid State Drive - Aluminum Silver - XPS14-1364

 

@kDrum I agree with your sentiment, but in this exact comparison (Envy vs Inspiron R S/E), even I won't make that case. Envy is a nice product. Support and engineering issues aside as I think it's pretty evident we win hands down there, TODAY, if you're buying strictly on price for component, there's no doubt Envy is the way to go. However, if you happen to be brand loyal to Dell or expect/value a higher level of service and company engagement in forums and the like (being a social media professional, this matters more to me than it probably does to most reading this comment), you'd probably prefer the Dell.
Me? I'd look at the supply and demand curve graph I shamelessly pulled from WiKi and try to be one of those purchasers closer to where the D line meets the S line.

 

First, my post was germane to the topic of several posts in this thread (including those which I responded to). It is certainly of relevant interest to most consumers how other models compare (including on price). That such commentary is germane is evidenced by the fact that several people, who were otherwise (and previously) unengaged in an ongoing dialogue chose to comment on this very topic.

Second, I know perfectly well how business works. Dell can launch at whatever price they want, but most consumers are largely indifferent to the mere fact that something has launched as an excuse for supra-normal pricing relative to competitors. A mass of posts within this thread make that point abundantly clear. What many manufacturers do is run promotions at or very near launch so as to maintain the cachet of a high MSRP (as an indicium of quality) whilst competing with the actual market into which the product launched. Dell may very well do this, but for now the XPS' prices appear to exceed those of many competitors, and this may diminish their competitiveness in the consumer notebook market. For me, personally, I consider the quality of Dell's support (and the engagement of great people such as Bill) as a major value-added in a Dell purchase, so I factor that in when considering a purchase. However, in this case, the downsides on the XPS 14 have left me feeling ambivalent

Third, if you don't like critical commentary, or negative consumer sentiment over a product failing to meet someone's expectations or desires, you should probably avoid consumer product forums as a general matter. Such posts make up a considerable (if not majority) share of those which appear on forums of this sort.

 

I would love to have an option for a 256/512GB SSD instead of the 750 HDD or the 1TB 5400rpm. Would be nice to combine that with (hopefully) 1x8GB installed so I could easily add another 8GB without having to disassemble the whole notebook to get to the other DIMM.

 

So as not to scare the customers, I assume

 

Hehe alright didn't mean to sound like I was knocking Envy to any of the Envy fans here, I was just curious. And since I've never owned either product, I was merely speculating

 

at the moment the inspiron lines up with the dv series and the envys and xps clash

 

I'd like to know, too! The three Fast-Ship configurations that were up yesterday are no longer available (however, if you go to the Small/Medium Business section, the XPS15 *is* still available via the site - most odd).

 

@Bill: I was wondering if you've heard any word about the screen. I'd really like to get contrast and color gamut so I can make a final decision soon.

 

Hi neilj

Please see the email I sent to you. I look forward to your reply.

Thanks,
Dell-LornaM

 

OK. I have to literally run out to my car and get home quick. We have a Google+ hangout starting in 33 minutes, and the Dell firewall prevents me from joining from the office.

As far as UK site goes, I see both XPS there when I hit it. @Risco I have asked Rachid to reach out and help you with the order. He'll probably PM you. As far as missing fast ship configs, I have no idea.

@Phoenix Sorry, bro. I still owe you this answer. Join the hangout maybe? Donnie may have that information at this fingertips.

Hangout info here:
https://plus.google.com/117161668189080869053/posts/dgXKSRBhj9d

 

@bill i agree with you post i have a dell .. where i worked for summer last year deals with dell we have a dell business account through our company but and UWI (University of the West Indies) also deals with dell and offers slight discounts for systems but only from the DELL Trinidad & Tobago site

but the XPS is to expensive for the specs listed abet im sure dell did some tweaking to most components to get better performance than the specs would suggest i think its too expensive for my budget with school and all .... when i add in the 4 year premium warranty i still get sticker shock ...the new xps is nice ill give it that but im not sure i can commit to such i high cost as yet

 

Nice one thanks Bill! I can also see the laptops, just it won't let me order as it says call.

 

Haha my work firewall prevents me from joining. Hopefully one of you can ask about the screen stats and let me know please ?

 

@Bill:
I understand not having a lot of "better" options for the XPS in order not to cannibalize AW sales... the question, what about us who live in places where the AW aren't available?
As a side note, any idea on the new Precision?

I really want to retire my 4+ year old M1530

 

Could you please send a PM with your contact info and I will try to help you with this purchase.

Rachid.

 

Just joined to ask for you help Rachid so can't PM you but I also am having trouble with my order. I actually ordered one last night but the fraud protection on my card stopped the transaction going through, and when I came to reorder they weren't available so some assistance would be appreciated

 

Still can't order the damn things although the sites are there all details on the xps 15 models have been removed From the consumer pages.

If there could be some clarity on the blueray and hd options I think that would help significantly. Having the worst hd option on the most pexpensive model is just plain weird.

 

I'm not trying to offend anyone. There's a reason I keep posting, because I'm a loyal Dell customer. My last two laptops spanning almost 7 years have both been Dells. I want to stay a loyal customer. I followed this thread for however many weeks now since word first broke of a new XPS. I have commended Dell numerous times in this thread on what I consider to be a tremendous design job with the new XPS (assuming no flaws come to be known and the trackpad is at least half of what a Macbook's is). My only dissatisfaction are with the accessibility of the internals and the price. I understand there are business concerns at play, but I had to vent my frustration and it's only natural to draw comparisons to the next guy. This will be the last you'll here from me with regards to the price. Again, congrats to Dell for taking a big step in the right direction with the design of the new XPS 15.

 

Again, why buying a so high-end pc just to
post buy half componenti from 3rd party? There really should be some options, at least storage related an for the ODD

Uh, maybe you were talking about XPS 13 and I just messe up the thing... So many pages here!

Guys, I'm really tired of all this Envy stuff... I'm already here because I still think to buy XPS when price will drop down a bit, but if you're so convinced that Envy will better satisfy your needs and your pocket, then please just go for it, I'll be very happy for you.

Inviato dal mio HD2 con Tapatalk 2

 

You will need to have 5 posts in order to have the PM option

 

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I had that issue with another computer and it was not pleasent at all. I'm in no rush, so I'll probably wait a bit and end up getting the XPS15

 

On the hangout now. Q&A coming up in a bit. Get in now to ask the man hisself anything about the product.

 

yeah I already knew, I hoped you could help me without me having to send you a PM as I am quite dissapointed at the lack of information available from all 3 forms of dell support I spoke to today

 

I was chatting to a dell sales person via online chat, who stated that due to technical difficulties the new XPS15 will not be available to order in UK until tomorrow..