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    Official "swapping the XPS 17 L701x screen" thread

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by RedlanceEQ, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. modmon

    modmon Notebook Enthusiast

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    I bought one of the V5 panels from that ebay seller above on Wednesday evening, received this morning. Great comms from them with full fedex tracking, well packed and in perfect condition with no dead pixels.

    Taken about 1/2 hr to fit, the improvement is really worth it.
     
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    Hi Medawky, seems we are a small club upgrading 1749 multi-touch to auo full hd screen :)

    As for your questions, yes you lose a tiny amount of visual quality. The multi touch layer is basically a thin clear plastic layer on top of your screen. Maybe if I had a way to raise the screen 3mm I would possibly ditch the multi touch, expecially if I upgraded again to the Matte V5 screen.

    About the brightness issue, since you are using ATI to control brightness on your new screen do you notice your battery depletes faster? I understand the AUO V4 uses more power but even with a 9 cell battery it seemed to deplete faster than I thought it would.

    To get around the brightness control issue I highly recommend resetting your ATI brightness controls, then downloading this software 'desktop lighter' Desktop Lighter - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Downloads as this provides keyboard shortcuts to adjust brightness ctrl + <> and it seems to reduce battery depletion.
     
  3. Medawky

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    Hey again, thx for the info. Yeah if i could raise the panel up that would be ideal. Id rather not comprimise the visuals with a touch layer, even though it feels cool and it brings out few wows from the ppl who see me using it hehe.

    To be honest i did not use the laptop on battery long enough to see any difference. But even if the battery did drop faster, i would probably keep my current settings anyways.
     
  4. Medawky

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    Jaze, do u notice any minor grain/noise in your images? Its hard to describe, but its sorta similar to film grain type of effect, but much much finer and very hard to see, but once u know about, its easier to spot. Could this be some sort of signal noise induced somehow?
     
  5. jaze22

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    If you can take a picture of it or something I can double check because you say it is hard to see. Without multitouch layer from memory display was faultless. Only thing that is a bit weird is upon bootup (black screen) there are what I would describe a pattern of gfx card artefacts. These vanish as soon as windows starts booting.

    I have a V5 screen on order now and may even order a regular lcd case to get rid of the 3mm gap.
     
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    What software is that on the first post that compares the profiles?
     
  7. j2001m

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    got my new v4 panel from AU OPTRONICS B173HW01 V.4 17.3 DELL
    in 1 day without any problems (cost £10)
    they also sent real direct emails to me asking if things was ok
    very good service and for only £113, no problems there (even boxed in a very good way)


    (small note i have a 702 xps)
     
  8. Medawky

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    Jaze, i also get the artifacts right at the start. As for taking a photo, i can guarantee that the picture wont be able to capture the very very fine noise/grain im talking about. You just gotta look real close, on some games it seems to be easier to spot than others.

    Its very similar to... i dunno if u ever experienced it but ill tell u anyways. Its very very similar to if u go up very close to a plasma TV screen and observe each pixel while the screen is still (ie a solid picture) and u will see that the pixels seem somewhat 'active', flashing on and off very fast, rather than dead still like u would expect from LCD. Thats sort of what im getting, but as i said its very very hard to notice and i have an extremely picky eye so the average person who likes a good screen may not see it.

    Gratz j2001m, have u installed it yet?
     
  9. RedlanceEQ

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    So they sent the exact panel and not a "as good as" one? That is good to know as it makes another supplier for that very good screen.
     
  10. jaze22

    jaze22 Notebook Guru

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    Just upgraded from AUO B173HW01 V4 to a V5.

    It is nice not having any glare :D
     
  11. RedlanceEQ

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    Question, is it the same as this one? AU OPTRONICS B173HW01 V.5 17.3

    Because it looks good but I saw it said Gloss and not matte. :(
     
  12. jaze22

    jaze22 Notebook Guru

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    That is the same model number. But I remember that site used to send out compatible screens.

    I bought mine here: NEW B173HW01 V5 17.3'' LCD LAPTOP SCREEN EXACT | eBay UK

    Having a matte/anti glare screen is so much easier on the eyes. I would say the difference is like switching from the 900p to the V4. The V5 is just that bit better again because there are no reflections. And I don't think the red's pop out the screen so much on the V5. But it is early days.
     
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    The reseller from Laptop Screens | Laptop Screen | Replacement Laptop Screens says that this screen (v5) is only available in glossy.

    We know that the v5 is definitly a mate screen. Dont know if i should buy or not :(

     
  14. Medawky

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    u call that an upgrade ? :)

    Hehe nice.
     
  15. ThorUK

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    I too ordered the V5 from screenintaipei on eBay, arrived on Monday, fitted it yesterday = :D
    >Couldn't be bothered to wait any longer for Kuzotronic to find me one, so you can take me off the list now barlow.

    +1 for screenintaipei as a seller
    >No Customs Fees :D

    So much nicer than the Glossy 900p display that was in there before, which turned out to be an AUO too.

    While I had my laptop in ruins I also took off those nasty mesh fan grills which seems to have dropped my temps by around 5C, result! :)
     
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    Hi folks -

    Does anyone here know if Dell can replace under warranty my 1080p AG screen on the 17" L702x that arrived today with the LP173WF2 Phillips mentioned by Scott a few pages back? Apparently, it is the panel used with the 3d version.

    Alternatively, what is difference in clarity between the AU Optronics B173HW01 V.5 and version 4?

    I like the glare models because the colors tend to pop better than matte screens, but if the clarity is the same maybe I would opt for the matte.

    Thx for any input.

    (My screen has to be replaced because there are 2 rows of bad pixels across the top of screen. So much for Dell Outlet quality check!)
     
  18. jaze22

    jaze22 Notebook Guru

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    I have gone from 900P > AUO V4 > AUO V5 (anti glare/matte)

    Clarity on V5 is just as good as V4. I always felt the reds on V4 were oversaturated, on the V5 the reds are in balance with other colours.

    I will not be switching back to the V4, and may even put the V4 up for sale soon. For those who like glossy go with V4, but if you are sick of looking at your own reflections and the associated eye strain go for the V5.
     
  19. Solo1

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    thanks for reply.... so the ver. 5 AG panel has no negative effect on the vividness of the screen... ie you can't tell its AG except for reduced reflections?
     
  20. batmemo

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    When you have time can you post some pics to compare with V.4.I see that this reseller is out oof stock on v5.Must look for other.
     
  21. imlinked

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    Just ordered my v.4 from studiotech. Guess prices go up as technology ages? Based on earlier posts from this thread it costed $88 for grade A panel. Now its $90 + $5 for grade A. Of course shipping and banking/WU fees separate.

    Going to attempt upgrading my l702x 900p multitouch panel with this.

    (Update)

    I'm not sure what happened, but my purchase was not handled by Jue, but by Jeff. I don't know if there was a staff change or management change in the company, however, I strongly advise reconsidering purchasing with Studio Technology. I have attempted to purchase and believe I have lost a good deal of money.

    Here is how the purchase event flowed:

    1) I asked for the method of payment and was offered T/T (bank wire) or WU (Western Union)
    2) I chose T/T and asked for an invoice.
    3) I received invoice, filled in my information and chose delivery method. I resent the invoice to Studio Technology. I asked for Studio Technology to confirm so I can wire payment.
    4) Received confirmation, thanking me for the purchase. Studio Tech tells me they will ship once payment is received.
    5) I send payment of $143.56 for a $136 purchase (I paid transaction fee of $7.56)
    6) Studio Tech e-mails me later telling me about a separate T/T fee and recommends WU after payment is already sent.
    7) Studio Tech tells me next day that they only received $99. Their Taiwanese bank supposedly takes $37 from $136, a 27% additional fee on top of the wire transfer fee I already paid ($7.56).
    8) Studio Tech requests I send additional $37 by WU or T/T. Again, I must burden myself with either WU’s expensive fees, or T/T’s mysterious 27% additional transaction fee.
    9) All during this time Studio Tech apologizes for not including T/T fee in my original invoice.
    10) I decided I don't want to risk/pay more transaction fees and accept my losses. I request the “$99” they received refunded to my account – this time, all transaction fees paid by them.

    No reply after requesting the refund. Mind you all I was very courteous during the entire ordeal, even after they informed me to wire additional funds outside of the original invoice setforth.

    If refunded, I have lost $44.56 during this entire debacle. If refunded and I bear the fee burden, than I'll probably lose more. If not refunded at all, I'll probably lose my entire ~$150.

    This became a complete transaction nightmare.

    What I learned? Use Paypal... atleast you can fight it. I sent a bank wire across international borders and look what happened. :( I'm completely at Studio Technology's mercy. If they do just send my panel, then I'd update my experience with them.
     
  22. imlinked

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    Regarding the above post, Jeff (my customer rep), e-mailed me back after speaking with his manager. Apparently, the company said no. Transaction fee for the refund will come out of my own pocket.

    Jeff however, said he will ship my product out using his own expenses. Nice guy, I highly recommend doing your business with this rep as he is honest and trustworthy.

    Will update you guys again once the product ships and is in my hands.
     
  23. Scott_RC-TEK

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    FYI for future reference:
    On behalf of my company, a legit US based corporation, I have an account in Hong Kong at the same HSBC bank StudioTech has their account. I set this up while doing business and living in HK a few years ago so it would be easier to pay vendors. Therefore, if some of you need assistance getting the correct amount of $$ to them, let me know. All you would need to do is get the funds to my company business account here in the States and then I will handle it from there. The T/T fee is the only real expense so I suggest a few guys sharing the cost. Regardless, you are protected better this way.

    I do this help out fellow NBR members who desire to do what Dell should have done in the first place with their XPS displays.

    Scott-
     
  24. imlinked

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    Just received my tracking number. Thanks to Jeff at Studio Technology, he was able to fulfill my order.

    If anyone wants a reliable source for buying AOU screens, I'd like to recommend buying from them.

    Just make sure you pay through Western Union! Their bank takes a ridiculous amount of fee for incoming transactions. Usually, from what I understand, business accounts waive incoming fees (just outgoing from the customers end needs to be paid). Guess it doesnt work that way for some banks.

    ATM their screen prices for 17.3" AOU v.4 is $90 + $5 for A+ screen (they check for dead pixels). Shipping EMS is +$41 or Fedex shipping (was like ~$65). Add on Western Union fees ~$30, and your looking at $166~$190.

    BTW jaze22, you mentioned multi-touch + v.4 screen reduces clarity/brightness. Is it that much noticeable? Could you elaborate?
     
  25. jaze22

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    The multi touch is a thin layer of clear plastic which goes in front of the normal display. Clarity is slightly reduced by it, but most people would not even realise. It's not until you test the display with and without the multitouch layer you get to appreciate the difference.

    Btw glad you got your new display sorted out with Studio Tech.
     
  26. jaze22

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    A couple of pics of the V5 display.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  27. bomoogo

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    what about the B173HW02?!

    btw
    does anybody know a supplier fpr b173hw01 v5 (matte)
     
  28. RedlanceEQ

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    Nice screens!

    However, I think this is one of the old XPS versions, is it not?
     
  29. imlinked

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    Ty for the reply. If i plan not on using the multitouch im assuming i would need to purchase a new bezel if i dont want a 3mm gap...

    Will you be purchasing a new bezel? If so please share your sources ^^

    Also unrelated to screens, where would be a good place to purchase us backlit keyboards for the L702X? Ty, much appreciate your help!
     
  30. imlinked

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    Just recieved my AUO v.4 EMS took 2 days lol. Passed customs with flying colors and panel is exactly as described.

    Thanks Jeff at Studio Technology.

    [email protected] order through this guy excellent customer service!
     
  31. jaze22

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    Pics above show me using the V5 without multitouch layer so there is about a 3mm gap between screen and bezel. To be honest the bezel looks ok with the gap so I am not going to spend ~£50 on a new lcd case and bezel.

    @RadianceEQ - it's a Dell 1749.
     
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    wrote to the shop, but they dont know when this screen will be available again


    seems so that auo stopped production of b173hw01 completly. Thats why we can hardly find resellers.
    They only produce the b173hw02 which is a glare panel and not as good as the old v4. A matte version is not planned.
     
  34. imlinked

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    I got mine from Studio Tech last week. They have a couple left in stock.
     
  35. bomoogo

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    i got mine too from O'TOP Technology Corp. for 150$ including shipment to Germany!

    ordered on monday, received on thursday.

    If you also want one just contact Sally: sally at otoptek.com

    the auo b173hw01 v5 was produced in 2009. They really stopped the manufaction of this great screen, so be fast!
     
  36. puremind

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    V4 Gamut is 90% of NTSC
    V5 Gamut is 72% of NTSC

    Personally i prefer the higher contrast (1000:1) CMO N173HGE-L21 rev C01, which also had 290cd/m² brightness!
    http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/N173HGE-L21/

    It is the glare screen for the new Asus G74 and has received rave reviews. The 3D screen in the Asus G74 is the same as the Dell XPS 3d's (LGD02C5). It is brighter but contrast is around 700:1 so useless

    The AUO screens V4 and V5 have good color gamut but contrat around 600:1. Not good enough for me.

    PS: You can always tone down color saturation with a calibrated profile, but you can't improve contrast through calibration. Between two screens that have good gamut, I would always choose the one with the better contrast. You shouldn't let oversaturated reds distract you from purchasing a screen if everything else is good or better.
     
  37. Scott_RC-TEK

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    V.4 is the same 90% as the V.5. The only difference is the AG layer.

    Also, the correct manufacturer spec for the L21 screen is 500:1, not the dealer claimed 1000:1. The brightness is also lower than the AUO panel.

    Scott-

    From: http://www.chimei-innolux.com/opencms/cmo/products/notebook/products_notebook_N173HGE_L11_L21.html?__locale=en
    Model Name N173HGE-L11/L21
    Panel Size 17.3" FHD
    Technology TN
    Resolution 1920 x 1080
    Aspect Ratio 16:09
    Pixel Pitch(mm) 0.1989
    Active Area(mm) 381.88 x 214.81
    Outline(mm) 398.1 x 232.8 x 5.7
    PPI 128
    Luminance(nits) 300
    View Angle (U/D/R/L) 70/70/60/60
    Contrast Ratio 500:1
    Support Color 262K
    Power Consumption (w) 9.3
    Response Time(ms) 8
    Weight (g) 600
    Electrical Interface LVDS
    Backlight LED
    Mass Production Jan. 2011
     
  38. puremind

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    No, i double checked with the German website exactly because of the link you posted. I made them check the model number and hardware ID and it is correct for revision C01. Anyways, I have confirmation from other users that the display is fantastic. I will receive that model tomorrow and will do the measurements myself.
     
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    OK, please test it and report your findings as I am curious now. I still prefer to rely on the factory specs, but having lived in Germany, I also find them VERY reliable. If it truly is just as good if not better than the AUO, then I may have to get one to test myself. ;)

    Scott-
     
  41. puremind

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    Ich use an EyeOne Pro and Chroma5 for testing, so you can rely on me.

    The manufacturer doesn't mention Gamut, but sources say colors look very saturated. We'll see.

    In Europe, there is actually a third display on the Asus G74, which is Glare LED Backlit. This may actually be the AUO. Would need to test that as well.
     
  42. Scott_RC-TEK

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    Vielen Dank, freundlicher Herr.

    MfG,
    Scott
     
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    Are any of these screens you listed compatible with the L702x?
     
  44. puremind

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    Well Both the 702x and Asus G74 have the same 3D screen, so it seems both have simialar circuitry and any G74 would be compatible with the 702x as well.
     
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    dont forget about viewing angles! also consider matte displays.
    maybe the contrast of the mentioned auo´s is not as good as the cmo, but the viewing angles are better, available in matte, great color.
    So the auo is the better balanced version i think
     
  46. RedlanceEQ

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    On the two screens from your link, is the matte with the same contrast than the glare? If so, could be very interesting.
     
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    Alright, I ordered mine yesterday and got it today. I did the measurements:

    The contrast is excellent, measured at 1061:1 with 100% brightness just above 280cd/m²:

    [​IMG]

    Gamut is really good on this screen, covering extremly close to 100% of NTSC:
    [​IMG]

    Note that these are the measures before calibration. I will see if I can improve gamma and grey balance a bit without loosing too much contrast, as color temperature is a bit too cold.

    [​IMG]
     

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    laptopscreen.com sells compatible screens.
    The N173HGE-L21 is only available in glossy finish! (see manufactors data sheet)
     
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