XPS 15 9570 Owners Thread

How to use WUB

As well use O&O Shutup10 and WPD.

Download any patches later as standalone and install in offline with Network disabled.

 

You can also use a Microsoft program called Windows Update Show/Hide to block updates until you are ready to install them. It is available on the Microsoft website. A link to the download is contained in this article.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...t-a-windows-update-from-reinstalling-in-windo

 

Her is another tool that should work...
StopUpdates10 — New tool to stop Windows Updates +++ (Only disadvantage... It has to run in the background).

I don't trust Micro$oft own tools intended to stopp their madness.

See....

Microsoft’s propensity to forget its own settings
On three separate occasions in the past couple of years — in November 2017, January 2018, and March 2018 — Microsoft forcibly upgraded Windows 10 Pro machines that have Advanced Options set to defer upgrades. Microsoft has, in effect, ignored its own settings. You can think of these incidents as accidents, or the result of overworked or overly zealous individuals. I, for one, am not so magnanimous.

These aren’t fly-by-night reports, or wails of pain from users who forgot to turn something on or off. All three have been documented by Microsoft as being Microsoft mistakes, in nooks and crannies of its various posts.

Oddly, it seems that the metered connection trick kept working in the face of all of those “oopsies.” You may well want to set your internet connection to metered, even if you use Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise or Education. Belt and suspenders and all that.

Microsoft’s official back door: The last, and most nefarious of the three “oops” events involves a, uh, feature called Update Assistant and its executioner program, updateassistant.exe. The poorly documented Update Assistant has been around for a long time, but its intrusive nature came to light when it started (erroneously, according to Microsoft) ignoring the Windows Update settings that were supposed to block installation of the next version of Windows 10.

Update Assistant has evolved. You may have seen KB 4023057, the “Update to Windows 10 Versions 1507, 1511, 1607, 1703, 1709 and 1803 for update reliability,” which has been released and re-re-re-released dozens of times (see Rick Corbett’s description). This “Remediation Shell” (formerly “WaaSMedic”) patch is intended to (in the words of abbodi86):

Fix and reset Windows Update-related parts to their “supported” configuration, i.e. restore registry settings, services status, schedule tasks, clear disk space, and launch UpdateAssistant.exe if installed. Mainly it’s meant to pave the way to receive the latest updates, whether quality updates, or feature update to latest Windows 10 version… it evolved from just fixing the Registry to restoring tasks and fixing the drivers DB, and compatibility for UAC management.. the main purpose or function did not change: re-allow blocked or disabled Windows Update.
Microsoft’s so gung-ho on blasting away your Windows Update blocks that it’s set up a regimen worthy of the finest malware. Of course, from Microsoft’s point of view they’re simply correcting any bugs that may have been introduced in the upgrade process. Defeating those who actively block the upgrade is just a bit of fortuitous collateral damage.

 

Dell postet another bios 1.13 https://www.dell.com/support/home/u...0&oscode=wt64a&productcode=xps-15-9570-laptop

with changes: " Enhanced the thermal stability of the system"

This smells like the EOL coffin nail Dell wants to put on the 9570. throttling it to its death. I wont test it this time. Anyone?

It is disgusting they dont say anything in the changelogs, if they say "enhance" together with "thermals" they mean "throttle" 100%.

 

Maybe posts in Reddit. Probably many guinea pigs who will test it for you Please post results if you get what you want.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/d358op/dell_xps_15_9570_bios_113/

Seems no one wants to

 

While Microsoft may not be my favorite company, I trust Microsoft more than I trust downloading and installing an app/software from someone that I know nothing about.

 

I'm wondering... anyone tried to activate XMP for RAM on 9570 to get higher speed's (over 2666MHz?) as I did on my 9560 (successful 3000MHz)?
XPS 15 9560 owners thread.

 

@Yesusik how did you do that? did they add a switch in the Bios?

 

Ok I jumped into the cold water and flashed 1.13. So far, I did not notice any negative changes (fingers crossed). Fans kinda seem identical to me so far (have to test longer over time), didnt see any CPU turbo changes (got same Cinebench results as with bios 1.12).

But I noticed a mostly good change (if correct): It seems they finally fixed the total shutdown of the dGPU at 74°C. Not sure if this is the only change, but it seems they backported the "fix" of the 7590 to the 9570 with this bios. I let a single core Cinebench running (to heat up CPU) together with a Superpostion GPU benchmark ( https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition).

Of course not. He "hacked" the bios file with mostly that editor tool. Would be interested in it too, though I wont buy new RAM anyway, and kinda dont want to risk bricking the laptop.

 

@maffle thanks for your testing.

I thought that bios hacking was an option too. However, isn't bios encrypted nowadays?
Anyway, if there is a guide somewhere please share.

 

@maffle @abujafar
Exactly, I "hacked" BIOS
Later I will describe this "step-by-step"... or maybe even I will create short video - I will try to do it this week!
I don't know if that can brick notebook... before I started "hacking", I tested RAM at 2400MHz to be sure that it's working fine. After that I activated XMP profile 1 - maybe I was just lucky but it started to work at 3000MHz "out of the box" = no issue so far!
But nobody was interested in 9560 thread, so that why I asked you guys, owners of 9570, is anyone tried this already =]

 

Oh wow, I didn't even see it in the 9560 thread originally. I'd be interested in trying it for mine!

 

Dell may have fixed Modern Standby for the XPS 15 9570, of sorts notebookcheck.net | Sept 25, 2019

Dell seems to have fixed Modern Standby for the XPS 15 9750, albeit by removing one feature that some people may find useful.

While we cannot yet share our long-term experiences with MSPIP, in the short term it appears that Dell has fixed the Modern Standby issues that have plagued the XPS 15 9570 since its release. However, the device still does not support S3 sleep, a sleep mode that Dell removed through a BIOS update last year. Moreover, Dell has seemingly fixed Modern Standby by removing a feature that it had previously enabled in Windows 10 Settings. So yes, MSPIP has improved Modern Standby for the XPS 15 9570, but it may not be an ideal resolution to the device’s sleep issues that have afflicted many XPS 15 9570 laptops. Especially, as there currently seems to be no way to re-enable Connected Modern Standby should you wish to use it.

 

Sorry guys, I was more busy in past days, then I expected... I planned to write or record video of my own guideline but now I know that I will also not find time for this in next few days/weeks, so I just "pointing" below tutorial which I used for "hacking" my XPS 9560 BIOS:

I went through whole "STEP 1".
For "STEP 2", I started from searching in IFR text file word "XMP" and by that I found this interesting part:

Code:

0x3CB51             Setting: DIMM profile, Variable: 0x7C7 {05 91 A6 13 A7 13 9A 27 01 00 C7 07 14 10 00 03 00}
0x3CB62                 Option: Default DIMM profile, Value: 0x0 {09 07 A8 13 30 00 00}
0x3CB69                 Option: Custom profile, Value: 0x1 {09 07 AB 13 00 00 01}
0x3CB70                 Suppress If: {0A 82}
0x3CB72                     Variable 0xDE9 equals 0x1 {12 86 E9 0D 01 00}
0x3CB78                         Variable 0xDE9 equals 0x3 {12 06 E9 0D 03 00}
0x3CB7E                         Or {16 02}
0x3CB80                         Not {17 02}
0x3CB82                     End {29 02}
0x3CB84                     Option: XMP profile 1, Value: 0x2 {09 07 A9 13 00 00 02}
0x3CB8B                 End If {29 02}
0x3CB8D                 Suppress If: {0A 82}
0x3CB8F                     Variable 0xDE9 equals 0x2 {12 86 E9 0D 02 00}
0x3CB95                         Variable 0xDE9 equals 0x3 {12 06 E9 0D 03 00}
0x3CB9B                         Or {16 02}
0x3CB9D                         Not {17 02}
0x3CB9F                     End {29 02}
0x3CBA1                     Option: XMP profile 2, Value: 0x3 {09 07 AA 13 00 00 03}
0x3CBA8                 End If {29 02}
0x3CBAA             End of Options {29 02}

In result, I followed rest of steps and in the end, I used below command in EFI shell:

Code:

setup_var 0x7C7 0x2

After reboot, my RAM started to work at 3000MHz "just like that" But as I mentioned earlier, I did some testing with default 2400MHz to make sure that choosed memory sticks are compatible & stable!

PS
By adding this faster RAM & activating XMP for it, I achieved arround 10% boost in benchmarks for CPU tests what also gave me few FPS in GPU tests (also ~10%)

PPS
Give me a feedback folks if someone will succeed same result for your 9570! I'm very curious!!

 

This is very interesting. Now, Can this thing be done to the 9570+ or is the BIOS encrypted now?

If this method still works, perhaps this same approach can be applied to resurrect S3 Sleep and fix the temperature thresholds.

 

I'm definitely going to give this a go with my 9560. What BIOS version did you use?

And that's a good idea, @abujafar, maybe this is the fix for the throttling they introduced? I can't imagine Dell choosing to encrypt the BIOS for the 9570 any more than they did the BIOS for the 9560/50.

 

1.12.1

Btw, I didn't used "hacking" for any other options... I don't have issues with throttling as I put thermal pads on mosfet's and I undervolted CPU

I'm waiting to come 34'' UWQHD monitor to finally have fun with my RTX 2070 as e-GPU After that I will consider to changing RAM to most powerful 4000Mhz (Corsair Vengeance)... but I've doubts is this will work as these are 1.35V... I need to read more about that (first research tells me that shouldn't be a problem)

 

Weird, I just tried doing this with my 9560 using 1.12.1 (been too scared to update the BIOS for some time). It didn't work, ended up with a soft-brick that I had to reset CMOS for. EFI put out something about not finding what it expected and writing anyway. It said it wrote "0x02 to 0x7c7." For my RAM, that would be the 3200 setting, I believe. I'll have to try again at some point. Also, be aware that those Corsair modules have awful timings. If they're the ones I'm thinking of, benchmarks have them beat out by slower modules with better timings and latency.

As for using an eGPU, hit me up with questions on it. I'm running one and managed to get 4 lanes working somehow on the 9560.

To keep from derailing this thread, Dell did a "sneaky" BIOS edit for the 9570 that lowered the temperature threshold for throttling. It's the main reason I got rid of mine (that and the DPC latency). If a simple BIOS tweak like this could be used to restore the old limit, a lot of 9570 owners will be significantly happier.

 

Hmm... it looks like you did a typo - value for EFI command should be "0x2", not "0x02" Or you wrote wrong only here in post?

And yes, I have seen that for example 3800MHZ sticks have much better timings then these 4000MHz... I wasn't looking benchmarks/reviews of them yet but the thing is with pricing - on Amazon this 4000's are priced 205€ (for 4x 8GB) and 3800's are 460€ You can find cheaper RipJaws 3800 for 370€ but still this price is almost twice of these 4000's... and I will put only two 8 gig's so by selling "half" of pack, total cost would be ~100€

About throttling, that's interesting what you wrote... in "dumped" BIOS text file I can see some settings like "Cpu Thermal Configuration" and "Pch Thermal Throttling Control" - maybe someone would check this


PS
How to verify TB lens?

 

Nope, no typos. After it said it was finding unexpected data, it changed the 0x2 to 0x02. That's when I started sweating, haha.

That pricing is nuts, and why I chose to go with 3200 instead. Picked up a 32GB Ripjaws for about $125 (that's 115€-ish I think?).

The PCH one might be useful for eGPU usage actually, since the PCH can greatly affect the link speed.

To verify lanes, download GPU-z. Then go to advanced and it should show how many there.

 

OK... so I was just lucky that it started to work for me?
And did you verifed your IFR text file... you have "Memory Overclocking Menu" with "DIMM profile" setting on that same position as mine?
Maybe try in EFI command just "setup_var 0x7C7" without "0x2" at the end - if I'm correct, this should return your courrent setting.

Hmm... I don't see nothing about lens in Advance tab... but on main tab there is a "Bus Interface" where it stnad for "PCIe x16 3.0 @ x4 3.0" - this mean that same?

 

It may have been a brain fart moment on my end, and I just didn't set up everything correctly. Haven't messed with it in a long time. My IFR had it all exactly the same. I'll definitely check that first on my next swing. Just need to have the free time to take the laptop apart again just in case, since Dell put the CMOS battery in the most inconvenient spot...

That should be the same? I can't remember that exactly though. Another way to check is with HWInfo, go to the summary info, open the bus section, then PCI bus. It should say how many lanes there.

 

I checked yesterday HWiNFO and it confirmed same x4 lanes used by TB (what is okay I think, yes?)... but also I noticed that Speed Shift is not activated - I was sure that I changed this together with activating XMP but clearly I forgot So I boot EFI Shell and I changed this SST to enabled. After that I run 3DMark and my result was significantly lower then the last time! I run benchmark again and now I watched on current CPU clock and core temps... I was in shock! Throttling was back!!! "Is it only because of Speed Shift?" - I thought and I run EFI Shell again to disable it. YES, without SST I don't have any throttling and my notebook is faster! LOL

 

Speedshift gives you good control of laptop CPU. But you need to manually adjust the EPP (0 max performance and 255 max energy savings). The dropdowns in Windows Power Options do nothing on my XPS laptops but maybe they work on yours. You can confirm EPP setting via:

powercfg -qh >C:\report.txt

ThrottleStop is an easy and free tool to adjust EPP on the fly.

More info at

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-xps-speed-shift.796891/

 

Hey guys, I would like to pay an USB-C charger for my XPS. (The other port is physically damaged)
What are the fastest option for the XPS ? I have heard that it can't charge as quick as MBPro. Can we exploit a charger that has over 60W in usb-C with this XPS ?
Which charger should I buy ?
Is this one USB-C 60W enough or do I need more power ? https://www.amazon.fr/AUKEY-Chargeu...eywords=anker+60w+usb-c&qid=1571251829&sr=8-3

thanks a lot!

 

Try the Dell 130W USB-C. This is over USB PD standard (max 100W).
60W means heavy throttling for the XPS 15.

 

Hi guys! My 3-4 year old trusty XPS13 has served me very well, but I need a new, stronger workhorse - and I am almost ready to pull the trigger on a Dell XPS 7590 15 with OLED screen, but I have not been able to find solid information on the actual battery life - and it might be the deciding factor.

I already know FHD equals better battery life, but I need more information to make the trade-off. Also - it seems that if I do want 32GB RAM and i9, I don't have a choice anyway.

What kind of actual, real-world battery life are you seeing on your Dell XPS 15 with OLED - and what kind of work do you do on it (demanding, not demanding)?


I will be doing software development with Visual Studio (and resharper - the cpu-killer), running a database server, an infinite number of open chrome windows etc etc - and it is absolutely killing my XPS13, mostly due to having just 8GB RAM.


This is the spec I am considering:

XPS 15 7590
15.6" 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) OLED Infinity Edge Anti-Reflective Non-Touch 100% DCI-P3 400-Nits display
9th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-9980HK (16MB Cache, up to 5.0 GHz, 8 cores)
32GB DDR4-2666MHz, 2x16G
1TB M.2 PCIe NV Me SSD
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5

 

Go with the FHD if battery life matters. The UHD is nice but IMHO FHD is good enough on 15", while there is much more use for 4K in an external 30"
The i9 might have a slight advantage in benchmarks and short burst workloads. But I think it doesn't really make sense for any serious workloads, because cooling in the XPS 15 (and most similar thin laptops) is simply inadequate. Just take an i7, or look for an i9 laptop with half a kg more heatpipes and fins.
If there is no 32GB FHD model, you can still add RAM, even 64GB https://old.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/antbu2/xps15_9560_upgraded_to_64gb_ram/ (not sure if this makes battery life worse).

 

Thanks for the advice. I did some more research on what you said - and you are right. So I will go for a 16GB FHD 512GB i7 and upgrade M.2 and RAM - and end up paying a lot less even. Thanks!

 

Anybody installed the updated "Modern Standby Performance Improvement Package Application" does it improve performance?

 

I want to run 2-3 monitors at 2560x1440 off a dock and just connect ONE cable from my XPS15 to the dock (including charging).

If I buy a Dell Business Thunderbolt Dock (TB16), can I do that? Can I even daisy-chain two 2560*1440 using displayport? What about three?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...with-180w-adapter/apd/452-bcnp/pc-accessories

Is there another dock I should look at instead?

 

I would say from that TB16 dock you could connect 2 x 1440p monitors based of the info on it - "the ability to connect up to three FHD displays, two 4K displays, or one 5K display at 60Hz". You should be able to connect a 3rd using the HDMI port on the laptop but that is not exactly what you are after (2 cables out of the laptop). Here is more info from someone else with a similar idea:

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/...ys-Laptop-Display-in-Extend-Mode/td-p/7327375

If you went with 3 x 1080p monitors (assuming you don't have the 1440p monitors already) then you could just do it via the TB16 dock.

I know there was issues with the Dell TB docks initially but hopefully those issues have been resolved by now with firmware updates on TB + Laptop. Be worth doing some reading through this thread and others.

 

Can someone tell me how i can get rhe best gaming results using this laptop. O know its not this type of laptop but ill take what i can get.

Looking for throttling advice fan curves various tweaks whatever can squeaze out the best overall performance

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This may or may not help but I use an EGPU (Aorus Gaming Box 1080) and connect it via TB3 for gaming and it performs very nicely. Play many games in 4K on TV.

Using just the laptop you are going to be somewhat limited to less GPU intensive games @ 1080p and maybe medium settings. I can't quote any numbers here as I don't use it for gaming that way. I have my DGPU disabled so it doesn't produce any heat.

I would also suggest undervolting the CPU with Throttlestop.

 

Thanx man but i already got a strong gaming pc with 1080ti. I need the laptop for portability and carrying a dock is a bad idea for my intended use so i git to make due with what i got.

Already use throttlestop with recommended settings ive found online but i dont feel like im getting better results. Isnt there something more drastic to help things

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I want to ask whats been bugging my mind fot a long time now. How does throttling affect games. I mean ok i get it cpu runs hot it clocks back to stock to get cooler so performance drops down or you undervolt it so it can keep turbo clocks without possibly heating up. But...

Games are supposed to be gpu intensive most of them. Except online gaming or single games with lots of AI enemies.

If gpu is getting all the stress how does cpu run hot and underperforms. Moreover if cpu underpermors and sends "x" amount of information to the gpu how can a different gpu run better if it gets the same information? I mean how can an egpu with a stronger card than the 1050ti max q run better when it receives same data from the throttled cpu?

P.s. i am using throttlestoo and i dont feel like its doing much. Its either that or 1050ti cant handle 1080p on high I guess

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The only things I can think of are repaste the CPU (or apply Liquid Metal if you are comfortable with that), apply thermal pads to VRAM and elevate your laptop with a stand or a laptop cooling pad to allow for better airflow. I use this stand and it works well:

https://www.amazon.com/Steklo-MacBo...ments=p_89:Steklo&rnid=2528832011&s=pc&sr=1-1

 

CPU reaches throttle limits, CPU throttles to keep cool and consequently FPS drop in games.

Games use GPU and CPU. Depending on the title some are more CPU or GPU intensive.

Firstly you need to understand that the DGPU (Nvidia 1050Ti) inside your laptop is in close proximity to the CPU and hence when they both get busy together they crank up heat in a confined space which leads to throttling quickly. An EGPU on the other hand is an external box to the laptop so all the heat is dispersing in the room and not inside the laptop. As a result my DGPU is disabled so no heat provided from it and only my CPU generates heat. Due to this and thermal padding the PCH (Dell didn't apply any cooling to this in XPS 9570 for some odd reason) I don't get thermal throttling. Heat = performance killer if not thermally managed. My 1080 EGPU destroys my 1050ti. I can play games on my EGPU connected to my 4K TV at full res comfortably. Some settings have to be turned down but still it looks sweet in 4K. Playing 4K games on my 1050Ti is not possible.

 

Thanx this cleared things up. Im running afterburner to monitor games and teeak settings. I also wanted to do what the limits toggle in the OSD means for voltage and power and how it gets the value.

Im almost constantly hitting both voltage temp and power limits at the same time it seems.

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I am getting my XPS15 soon and have already bought an upgrade M.2 NVMe (512GB => 1TB).

What is the best way to go about cloning the internal drive onto the new larger drive? Do I buy an external USB case for the M.2 NVMe, connected to USB3 - and use some kind of software to clone (which?)? Or is there another, easier way?

 

I just noticed today, that the 9570 is again bugged of its CPUs package c states, after latest bios 1.14.0 or yesterdays Windows 10 update. I guess since bios 1.14 though. I cant confirm it because I just noticed it 20 minutes ago after a fresh Windows 10 restart.



The CPU has no c states entered and uses a permant 2W even with idle and 0.7% C0% activity. This goes away after triggering modern standby at least once and waking up the laptop again:



The wake up procedure doesnt always work and I have to do it sometimes up to 3 times, to trigger working c states again.

 

@maffle - I've had this issue since the beginning with my XPS on every BIOS, and even with a Yoga laptop with S3 sleep before that for some years.
I literally had to put the laptop to sleep every time for 10 sec after every reboot.
For me this trick always work if I let it sleep for at least some 10 sec. XPS needs longer time to go to sleep/standby, I just watch when the keyboard backlight goes off and then wait 10 sec to wake it up again.

I was always wondering what this could be if this doesn't happen to everyone - maybe it's some program or driver that does it? I've had this issue for years with the Yoga laptop as well, so it could very well be some program that messes it up.

 

@splus Thats weird... I just have this broken behavior since bios 1.14.0 or the Windows 10 updates from Tuesday of this week, because I rebooted the laptop for them. I didnt update any drivers in weeks nor did I install any tools or programs. This broken behavior just manifested during the last 2 weeks where I updated to 1.14.0. And now it is broken after every reboot or cold boot.

 

See my edit in TS thread on your post.... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1077#post-10974827

 

I know right, that was my first thought that they, again as usual, broke something, how can it be different? Also awesome to read, about the "prevent swollen batteries" change, right? Mostly crippled charging speed more as it was at launch.

 

For some reason this is happening now on linux too on bios 1.14... jesus christ how can they keep ****ing up so bad time after time... Now my laptop consumes 7-10W idle instad of the 3-4W it was consuming before the bios update.

 

Great, downgrading to BIOS 1.13 didn't fix the problem. Could it be that the vulnerability fixes for the CVEs that are listed here https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.dell.uefie4d7bdc4.firmware are somehow hardcoded to the preocessor?

No C states are being reached now: https://imgur.com/a/1hy6XP8 and my battery consumption is way worse.

 

@pilililo2 ... @Papusan I knew it. Mostly the Power Delivery firmware or the EC firmware, which wont get downgraded if you do a bios downgrade. Or a modified Intel microcode (Intel messed something up maybe too, wouldnt surprise me). Please open a bug report ticket at Dell about this, as I did too. And tell them directly, about other people having the same issue, give them the link to this post. I doubt they will be any help though as usual. Dell cares... right? Right...

 

@maffle @Papusan I will, as downgrading the BIOS has done absolutely nothing to fix it. And now my laptop consumes more than double the wattage on idle which is unacceptable.

EDIT: I have written a Reddit post over here https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/eak4hh/warning_do_not_update_to_bios_114_on_the_xps_15/ to warn other users not to update to 1.14, go give it a thumbs up so no more people are affected