XPS 15 9570 Owners Thread

I owe you a bench as well. I will likely have time to do a 10min run tonight.

EDIT: Ran the test and got a crash, which is odd because I've been running my -150mv stable for a few days now. Will have to look into this further.

 

so probably the iunlocks method of transfering airflow to the ambient sensors would work great again.

 

Yep. But it takes some serious tinkering to make the additional "fin surface" above the VRMs (it is not just cooling the sensors, it is in fact cooling the VRMs).
Most folks just padded the VRMs to the backplate, for less fuss (not sure how well the recent idea of the thin pad "bridge" from the VRMs to the heatpipes not touching the backplate works).
Mind undervolting with MSI Afterburner wasn't practiced at the time so a less elaborate mod may work with it. But there was no i9 and 1050Ti and things may be worse with them.

 

Are you guys using Throttle Stop or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility, to undervolt your 9570's?

I'm new to undervolting but going to give it a try as it seems to be enough for the i7 and I don't fancy repasting a brand new laptop with these sausage fingers!

 

I think I am gonna go with padding to the backplate. I am not really convinced by the "bridge" method until somebody shows evidence.
iunlocks is for sure the best but it's quite elaborate.

Anyway, before doing anything I will do the "fan test" to be really sure that this PL throttling is indeed induced by VRM temps.

 

Did yours come in yet? I'm chomping at the bit, but Fedex is taking their time. I'm going to do a fresh install when I get it and then run some benches and get some temps.

 

@custom90gt It should arrive later today. I will just check for the main QC problems people are complaining about and then focus on understanding the thermals.

For my use case, the only important thing is that I manage to have CPU running at full potential under CPU-only stress. The GPU, I don't really care. I am a programmer. Anyway, I will try to make everything work regardless.

Probably repasting and undervolting immediately. Then making sure that the PL throttling is caused by accumulated heat in the VRM area. I will blast a fan over it, if it does not throttle, I'll start thinking about paddings and stuff...

 

The one thing I realized is that after applying grizzly paste, my temperatures didn't improve much, if any. Perhaps in solid load, I knocked off a degree or 2, but under heavy load it seems to be exactly the same. I am not sure if I put too little paste (I am used to pasting desktop CPUs) or it's a product of the system being able to push itself harder. I really have no way of testing and now I am debating whether or not I should re-pasted because I put too little. I went with the line technique, but I am wondering if spreading is better for the laptop cpu.

It could be that at -150mv, you get depreciating returns from anything beyond that.

 

It could be a lot of things. What I typically notice is similar temps but decreased fan speeds and increased clocks with a repaste. If you didn't take logs before and after, it would be hard to tell.

 

The only way to know if your repaste has a problem is to open up the system and look; make sure the die is covered evenly and the coating is thin. Compare to pictures of laptops on the internet. User @GoNz0 recommended trying to repaste-test-visually inspect-clean-repaste a few times that way you know "for sure" what the quality of your work is.

Also, when testing thermals, your cores should run within a few degrees of each other.

Low mounting pressure repastes of laptops are a bit dicey. There are not too many stats showing before-after repaste results for the 9570. The system is very similar to the 9560 so you could look at those stats and see before-after results.
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Finally, your laptop could have come out of the factory with a good paste job so your repaste won't improve much there. The nearly identical 9550 and 9560 had universally poor factory paste jobs as well documented here.

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Not my experience with higher-performance laptops and the XPS, which always can use more cooling to improve performance and/or reduce fan noise. . .

EDIT - Less paste is always better as you are trying to minimize the space between the die and heatsink; the paste is just to fill in microscopic defects. Thermal paste is a poor conductor of heat but it is much better than air​

 

I will disagree with you there. Lots of tests have shown that a ton of paste is far better than too little paste.

 

Hahahaha. I meant to say that the min amount of paste possible with complete coverage is the best solution.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I think I will re-paste sometime soon and take a look at how the line method turned out. Basing off of some threads here and elsewhere, spreading directly on the processor (unlike those with heatspreaders) may be more full proof. I'll make sure to run some tests before though to see if I get any net benefit.

 

@Eason I think you will agree with this guy


it seems like you REALLY share a lot of similar ideas.

 

Curious, has anyone tried using a Cooling pad for the XPS15? With a 8950HK I guess no amount of repashing and thermal pads can really substitute a real cooling pad with perhaps a large spinning fan. Normally, that is something you would use for a gaming laptop but I think it could be useful here, also with added benefits like ergonomics etc.

I guess the trick is finding that that does not look like something made for a 12 year old asian teenager

Any suggestions?

 

Hey, been a while. Work took me out of commission. I found that the stress test from RealBench did cause throttling near the end, but I personally think synthetic benchmarks aren't good measures of real world use cases.

As for the bridge, I'd recommend you guys give it a test to see for yourselves. You probably have the time and will to test with the case method, without, and other ideas. I would be interested to see results others can get. I believe someone on Reddit was discussing ways to improve it with me. Something about making the pad less of a three prong shape and more of a block.

To the idea of cooling pads. Useless unless you're pushing heat to the backplate. If you aren't pushing any, you'll get a 3ish degree C change, at best. I tested that with a $50 pad on Amazon and a cheap TekNet one that was $12. Both had the same result. I think that's probably because of the design Dell went with and how it's different from the standard thermal designs.

 

lol the world is full of strange people

 

Is there a TPM module in the 9570? Thanks

 

Yes, and this is the main reason for asking if there is a cooling pad suitable for the XPS15. Recall that @Papusan also did some testing before and was not impressed with the results.

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Yes

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Does anyone have the 1.1.4 BIOS? I'm on 1.0.5 and getting lots of crashes after temps raise (usually 2-3 minutes). The BIOS seems to have been pulled from the website but I'm still interested in trying it.

 

Hi, 9570 arrived yesterday. Tried a bit surfin and youtube dokus in the evening. Then in the morning Windows started updating to 1803. After and during the update the killer card wasn't recognized anymore. In Bios (1.05) wireless is all enabled. No entry in the device manager, nothing. I already tried to install the newest drivers from Dell and from Killer, but the card stays absent. Any Ideas?
Fresh install?

Edit: Just opened the new XPS, took the killer out and in again. Works.

 

I was just about to suggest that, or tap F12 on boot up and go itno diagnostics and see if the card was visible in there.

I've ordered the Intel 9260 from the US for mine, not a fan of the killer cards (although the new model is actually made by Intel)!

Glad you fixed it for now, perhaps you have a dodgy card.

 

Thank you!

 

My 9750 arrived a few days ago. I bought the baseline model (i5 w/o iGPU, and HDD) because I don't play games so I thought this may be better in terms of thermal management. Swapped the HDD with 970 EVO (use macrium reflect for cloning, had a few errors along the way but fixed them all eventually, the M.2 slot screw was missing so I used one of the screws holding the HDD there, probably the wrong screw to use but it's holding it well). Also swapped the killer card with Intel 9260. Updated BIOS to 1.1.4 then saw it got pulled out today, hmm...

 

How do you like it? And why not a fresh install of windows with the new drive? I would set to AHCI mode, do a fresh install, and then put on the samsung nvme drivers to take advantage of your nice new SSD.

 

Can you replicate this in your 9570?



Is this a defective keyboard or is the user being super picky?

@custom90gt

 

How do you do a fresh install with Win10? This is my first laptop in the last 8 years.

So far I like the screen very much, I did a calibration with DisplayCal (using i1D) and the contrast was around 1250:1, that's the highest I've seen on any matte IPS screen I've owned, higher than my 27'' Eizo. I noticed the native color temp was too high, I calibrated to 6400k so the screen looks a bit warmer and to reduce blue light going into my eyes. (I tried to adjust the RBG gain in the Intel HD Graphics Control Panel but could't get the custom profile to load as default, not sure if there is a way).

 

Just tried on mine, if I press the corner gently it would miss one of out every 4-5 keystrokes, but if I use normal force it would register almost every keystroke.

 

Download it either from MS or Dell (unless you added the USB revcovery media from Dell) and fire it over to a USB stick, the software will make it bootable.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

A clean install sort out a lot of issues as it removes all the bloatware.

Boot from the USB key and away you go.

 

I suppose that, if you are on the verge of throttling, a pad could prevent that.

 

I can just as easily pretend to push the keys down and have them not register, however I have 0 issues when typing on the keyboard. Hint - I'm typing on it now. This reminds me of the reddit post where the guy is saying his dell won't power off when holding the power button. It was 3 minutes of him pushing on the power button for 1-7 seconds at a time (hint the industry standard is 10 seconds to hard power off). I called him out on it and he deleted his post and video. It was quite funny.

 

Rats, I thought it was 4 seconds? To be fair to the fellow, I have a Vaio with a KB just like that, but I simply compensated by hitting the keys much harder. Left me with a lot of bad habits, but it worked. You'll still find reports of that generation of Vaio (SVS13) having a mushy or reportedly broken KB.

 

I had Vaio svs13 and keyboard was really terrible. On my dell 9550 and e5480 it is way better. This video dosent say anything to me about dell keyboard it is just looking for a reason to retrun computer.

 

Well, a XPS15 with a 8950HK is probably always on the verge of throttling...

 

lol it's over the cliff. I dunno if I can make the 8750h not throttle.

 

Does the display border on the 4k display still use that hard plastic like the previous 9550/9560 or have Dell finally changed to rubber?

 

It's a hard plastic

 

Has anyone received a 9570 with the 56whr battery opened their machine up and had a look?

I'm hoping they all come with the caddy, rubber pads and sata connector already in place, (but I have a feeling they wont).

 

Hi !
There is a lot of pilots that Dell recommend to install.
http://www.dell.com/support/home/fr/fr/frbsdt1/product-support/product/xps-15-9570-laptop/drivers

Which one should I install after a fresh windows installation on my new SSD ?
Is there anything that I have to do to maximise performance ? (excluding repaste and undervolt, which I will do latter)
Thank you !

 

Will samsung evo 860 m.2 work as an ssd replacement on the 9570, even though it says its not nVME? Model MZ-N6E500BW

 

Yes it will

 

Thank you. I’m pretty fresh to this, particularly with PCIe SSD. I’ve read all of the 9570 threads and you seem to be pretty well versed in several areas (I’m keeping track on your thermal thread). May I ask what the nVME difference would be and why an SSD like the one I’ve mentioned works without it?

 

I won't get too into detail but this may help you.

M.2 is the connector and it can be keyed a variety of ways.

NVMe and Sata are protocols that the drive can communicate with.

Some m.2 slots are specific to allow sata only while others allow either the sata or NVMe protocol.

The slot on the 9550/9560/9570 allows you to use either a sata or a NVMe drive. NVMe is faster because it has a higher maximum throughput. However 99.999% of users would never notice a difference outside of running benchmarks.

 

When installing a new SSD, do we have to change something in default configuration to improve performance ?
(such as AHCI or something like this ?)
Thanks !

 

If you have a NVMe drive, I would set it to AHCI mode and install the NVMe driver from the manufacturer.

 

Definately will.

I have a Samsung 850 Evo M.2 SATA drive in my 9550 and it works really well, ok it doesn't have the mindblowing stats of an NVMe model but it is still a great, quick and less expensive drive and stays cool all day.

 

Yes, I have a NVMe SSD from Samsung (970 EVO).
I don't know how to check if it is already set in AHCI, and if not, how to change it... Google is full of solution but not is suitable here, can't find my case precisely

When I run the Samsung NVMe drive from samsung, it says "the peripheral device Samsung NVM express is not connected. Unplug it and retry"
Of course it is connected because my XPS run on it ^^

Any luck you know do deal with this ?
How to know if everynthing is already set up perfectly by windows itself ?

Thanks for helping !

EDIT : driver updated and SSD succeffully switched to AHCI thanks to this tutorial :
https://medium.com/@sebvance/how-to...o-a-samsung-960-evo-nvme-m-2-ssd-1d64eed914a9

 

Has anyone configured their purchase with the 2TB PCIe SSD? If so, what brand SSD does Dell use? I'm trying to decide if I should just go with the 1TB now and then upgrade to the Samsung 970 Evo 2TB in the future. Thank you in advance.

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If you're going to go 2tb in the future why don't you get a 256gb or whatever is smallest and use the money saved to pay for that 2tb drive?