Dell Studio XPS 13 and 16 - Coming Soon?

NP...*fingers crossed* that your new 1530 works really good for you!

I'm sure it will!


Cin

 

Do you really have to get a Dell, guys?
Come on, your only reason can't be "No DDR3 RAM" or "It's a HP".

Every company has its flaws and if HP's customer support was so bad, then they wouldn't be leading the notebook market.
Acer was touted as a company with notebooks of very poor build quality. But ever since I purchased one, I've had no problems and the CS has been superb.

Unless its a widespread problem like the Dell XPS' graphics cards, or the hinge on the m15x, don't stay away from a company just because some person you know or on NBR reported a bad experience with that company. That's one person. The people with problems speak out, the satisfied stay silent.

Hybrid SLI ain't that massive (proven by my earlier benchmarks, to actually decrease performance), Slot loading drives are average and backlit keyboards are gimmicks, rarely useful in situations and more a aesthetics feature. Besides that, I can't really see what else is so great about the rumoured Dell Studios.

The SONY FW and the HP Dv5 or 7 are very decent bang for your buck right now. So are the Acer 6930, Sager np5793, Gateway P7811-FX, HP HDX16T, Alienware M17 and a whole host of other laptops. There are numerous companies, all bringing out decent notebooks with very good value, but you're still waiting for one particular one to release a notebook with all the same components as the competitor's.

If you go for that route, then good luck on that.

 

The reason I'm interested in this thread is the 13".

Sony prices are very high in the Netherlands and Samsung Q310 and Lenovo U300 aren't being sold here. Besides that there aren't many 13" montevina laptops here.

 

Oh, yeh forgot about that factor.
A nice 13in would be the LG P310; GDDR3 9600M GT, up to T9600, 4GB DDR3 RAM and its thin, has very good battery life and runs cool.

LG are prominently in Europe for their notebooks.

 

Great notebook true.

I personally don't play any games and LG isn't being sold in the Netherlands, so it's not an option for me.

 

qaz333 I'm in South Africa, and here on the southern tip of Africa, technology in general is really expensive. I would buy your Acer anytime, is an awesome product, but it costs 35000 ZAR 3500 USD and I don’t even know why the people on this thread are so against the new Macbook Pro's. It is the perfect performance laptop, with the build quality of an expensive German car. But a 15" Macbook Pro sells for 300000 ZAR 3000USD. And the notebooks that would have perfect for me like the Gateway P-7811 FX isn't avaidible here, so I have to import it and then I pay crazy tax. So Dell's website is really the only place to buy, because I can get a Studio 15 with all the basics and a P8400 CPU and 320 7200rpm Hard drive and 4GB of DDR2 800Mhz and a LED screen for about 15000 ZAR 1500 USD, so that’s why I am waiting for dell, but I do not mind if they release it next year because it would be stupid to buy a performance notebook now with the new generation of GPU's around the corner, and of course Nehalem (Intel iCore7) just released and scheduled to be released in Q3 2009 for mobiles.

So if you want a portable notebook, buy now, but if you want performance, gaming etc. Wait for Nahalem, because it will be a huge improvement in performance because it is the first big architectural change from Intel since 1996.

 

hello,i have read in a spanish forum, that one person had called to DELL and an agent had said that this week will be released the new XPS STUDIO.

By the way what do you think about this?
http://es.lge.com/products/model/detail/series510_s510xcp50b.jhtml#

Thursday will be the day.

 

Hi,

Sorry for asking but instead of me reading 136 pages could someone please quickly summarize this threat for me? I just wonder if there is any definite date for the release, any more detailed specs then on the first page and if we are talking only about a 13" and a 16"?

Thanks.

 

It is delayed until January.

Actually, this might actually not exist, we still have not verified how real th slides are. Ok, don't flame me, I'm just saying there's no "official" proof from Dell that these exist.

Specs are unknown, but backlit keyboard, slot-loading drives and 9600M or lower are basically guaranteed.

 

Those who said the Z was too expensive:

http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/142520

1399$

 

I don't think anyone really knows. The general opinion is january. Although it may as well be announced next week.

Those seem like good deals, also check Techonweb.com their Z starts at $1324
http://www.techonweb.com/products/productdetail.aspx?id=A02PTQ&src=PG

 

It's not available in Europe, right?

If I could buy Sony Z for 1399$ or even more like 1600$, I would do it, but unfortunately. These prices are only in USA.

 

The Z is more expensive than the MacBook Pro in Sweden. Way too expensive to buy. The FW is also quite expensive and it lacks an LED screen.

 

what about the LG s510?

 

Why are you all talking about other model and not about Xps Studio?

Stop off topic!

 

It's not off topic at all. At this point it's very reasonable to assume Dell is losing the XPS market. The discussions posted above are a mere indicator that customers are fed up waiting.

We are approaching the 1 month mark from Christmas. Now is too late to release a new product and hope to catch Christmas. You need a 2-3 weeks build time and shipping is insanely slow during the 2-3 weeks leading up to Christmas.

 

140 pages almost of talk about nothing on this topic dude. Honestly there is not ONE confirmed thing about this laptop. In fact we have no info that it even really exists. Talking about alternatives to this waste of time of waiting for products that are delayed 6 months past the tech coming out for the new line is fine imo.

 

You are correct, it is off topic...Chaz placed a post about this to stay on topic of the discussion regarding the XPS 13 and 16

Actually, did you not see Chaz's post...he asked everyone to stay on topic regarding the thread title...Here:

I'm sorry but I can't follow this thread..when there is talk of other Brands/Models etc. That is what other sections of the forums are for. Sony = Sony forum, LG = LG forum..This is the Dell forum...

Cin

 

While I agree to stay on topic as much as possible, I also acknowledge the fact that absence of any Dell news leads to people talking about alternatives.

So I don't mind the occasional remark about an alternative and let's keep it on topic as mush as possible.

 

Exactly. At this point there is nothing more on topic than comparing what other notebooks are roughly equivalent to this vaporware of Dell's. Qaz is doing people interested in something along the lines of these models a favor that would be hard to replicate by browsing through the individual companies forums.

The moderator who posted I think was a bit trigger happy, likely not having read the whole thread.

 

-------> ****** PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC! ****** <-------

Is that enough?...Thank you

 

I know the new Xps are not coming out, actually we all know that... but the point is that this Thread is about new Xps line and we are not talking about it at the moment. I understand you are all frustrated but it is another story

 

Well... I suppose those who are aware of the XPS 1330 GPU overheating problem, it would be best for Dell to get those Studio XPS 13s out the gate ASAP.

Yes, it wasn't really Dell's fault that NVIDIA's GPUs were melting themselves inside their laptops, but to not be able to have any other choices at the moment for portable power (Inspiron 13 != XPS 1330) I would say is really hurting Dell.

Sure they have the E4300... but that thing is incredibly pricy as is.

 

QUOTE=TemjinZero;4174395]...Yes, it wasn't really Dell's fault that NVIDIA's GPUs were melting themselves inside their laptops, but to not be able to have any other choices at the moment for portable power (Inspiron 13 != XPS 1330) I would say is really hurting Dell.

Sure they have the E4300... but that thing is incredibly pricy as is.[/QUOTE]

I do get the feeling the M1330 has been particularly affected by the GPU problem - probably because it's cooling was more marginal than many larger machines. I can imagine there might be big 'discussions' between NVIDIA and Dell about the problems if in any way NVIDIA could suggest that Dell didn't provide adequate cooling.

 

I just checked Dell's websites (Canada and US) and I can officially say Dell's probably put the last nail in the coffin for me.

While this may not apply when the laptops do come out, as the E4300 did successfully release pretty much worldwide simultaneously, Dell seems to be totally slacking off since.

Canadians did not recieve the new Studio XPS desktop yet, and it's iffy at best whether or not our Studio Laptops have finally recieved the Montevina refresh. (A Studio 15 with a P8400 core is now availible, however, the tech specs sheet still seems to show this as using a SantaRosa refresh chipset, I wish they'd update this or something. Does anyone know if SantaRosa chipsets even support the 1066 MT/s FSB of the P8400 core? If it doesn't, then it's probable that Canada finally has Centrino 2 Studios, almost a month later.)

If this is any indication of how Dell treats Canadian consumers, we probably won't see Studio XPS laptops for a month after the US release. >_>

 

If these Laptops really exist, there must be reasons for not releasing it before the holiday season. I'm surprised at how well DELL has kept the lid shut after showing off promotion models in January. And I'm still waiting for Mr. Jayson to show up again.

I was almost on the move for the new ASUS L50 (T9400 1066Mhz FSB, 4GB RAM, 320GB 5400rpm HDD, 15,4" WSXGA+, 1GB nVidia GeForce 9650M GT, NumPad for about 1,200 EUR), but then again, ASUS brings up the rear when it comes to Customer Service...

If it were for me, this wait could very well end.

 

With such a change as dramatic as that, I would be worried about buying one of the first Nahalem notebooks and would prefer to wait for the 2nd gen models coming out in 2010. However, I need a new notebook now, not in 2 years, so forget that.

I've waited since July/August for Dell to release the M1530's successor and just like their discounts, my patience expires this week. Dell has lost the window for a Holidays release so now they may not be in a rush to release them until the Spring with the way the economy is in the US, the Eurozone & other countries. They may just discontinue the 1330/1530 and let their other models handle the slowing demand. Besides, something tells me that these new Studio XPS models will be more on the plastic side than their predecessors to cut costs for Dell. In other words, besides the presumed cheaper price compared to models from Sony & Apple, are these new models worth the wait? That is the question now. Great expectations often lead to great disappointment.

I wonder if there has been any other tread on this forum that made it to nearly 140 pages without the model(s) even being introduced, let alone released to the public?

 

dampfnudel, allow me to clarify this for you, my reference being an Intel roadmap I read somewhere which I unfortunately cannot link to, but I am sure many others have seen.

Nehalem is a fairly large change... but nothing revolutionary, that was Conroe. Nehalem is powerful, yes, however, reviews of it's performance from sites like anandtech.com do show that Nehalem really shines in servers. While they've made changes here and there, and the power has increased compared to the previous architecture, it's not as great a leap as it was when Conroe was introduced. A great number of architectural changes were made, yes. However, in terms of performance leaps from the previous architecture, I'd say you won't be seeing anything like 50% improvements in performance over the previous gen, 20% sounds more reasonable.

The only real "big thing" about Nehalem, is the re-introduction of HyperThreading back into the core, which virtually doubles the number of core process streams availible. Nehalem is a multi-tasking monster.

...and you're also correct in the sense that it'd be best to wait for the "2nd gen models", as Nehalem as a 45nm process will be seeing mobile versions around mid 2009... with the next Centrino platform due late by the end of 2009 using Nehalem. The next step is refining Nehalem down to the 32nm process, Westmere, which will give Nehalem power but for a lot less energy consumption and heat generation. Something far more ideal for notebooks. When Westmere finally comes out for mobile platforms... I have no clue. I'd expect like... late 2010, or even 2011.

 

How is Core i7 not significant? Also, Calpella is the name for the mobile chips. It is a different architecture that what the current chips are. If you are looking for a not significant jump that would be the latest Montevina release.

 

Core i7's significance really shines in things like encoding (...anything with more cores, the better) or calculations and the like. I guess folding too if you do that a lot.

I agreed that there are massive architecture changes. However, where I do somewhat disagree is that you hold off buying a laptop to wait for Core i7 laptops to roll out. It is a fact that you get roughly a 20% capabilities wise improvement in processing power compared to Penryn, which does come at the cost of a 10% increase in power consumption compared to Penryn.

Where Core i7 saves power is that if you downclocked a Corei7 down to a Penryn of equal speed, the Core i7 would give you the same performance for less power. So... you kinda get either a more efficient Penryn, or you can use Core i7 as is, but expect a loss in battery life.

In my opinion, it'd be wiser to wait for Westmere which will reduce Core i7's power reqs/heat gen for mobile platforms. For a desktop, I'd say go wild.

EDIT:
I'll add that Nehalem Core i7 mobile versions don't expect to be due until Q4 2009 or even Q1 2010. Hopefully we're lucky, and they release in Q3 2009 as that is the earliest promise date for the mobile Nehalems.

 

What do you want to say about the new studio XPS?

That there is no information about it? That it's not a confirmed laptop? That it may never come out? That all of this thread is speculation and that nothing said here can be confirmed? At this point talking about alternatives to the Studio XPS which was never a real laptop is perfectly fine imo. Looks like the death of the XPS line in notebooks to me.

 

If there is no news simply stop posting... Because this thread is about Xps Studio and not about what I could buy if the new Dell's notebook don't come out... But moderator already said this

 

but if nothing was posted until actual info came to light, then this thread would have died months ago.

 

Hmm thats not fun....I also noticed that the XPS One (all in one desktop) is not sold in Canada either...

Dell why do you hate Canada so much?

 

Somebody should rename this thread "Dell Studio XPS 13 & 16 speculation & discussion thread" since nobody has concrete news.

Then when something official comes out, close the speculation (this) thread & have a new one going forward.

 

I caved guys... couldn't wait any longer, that and Sony totally won me over with a discount coupon on CTO models.

Dell could stand to learn a thing or two from Sony's business practice. Ironically.

Actually... if these Studio XPSs are real... I would rather this thread become the official thread... there's just so much history here.

 

This thread has become pretty much useless without any new rumors. It has basically become which notebook should I buy since these aren't coming any time soon.

 

...Well... rumors are rumors. Theoretically... we could make some to keep continuing conversation.

Anyways.

Speculations anyone?
I'll start with frame materials.
Looks like plastic to me... but who knows... maybe they'll revamp the design and use ALL CARBON FIBER!
I'm also kinda curious what kind of wood that'll be on them... if that even stays there.

 

If anything it would be bamboo.

 

Based on Dell's extensive use of Magnesium Alloy I would say the majority will be Mag alloy with a little aluminum and plastic thrown in. Bamboo if they offer it.

 

I do not even use my current awesome notebook. See sig. And I am drooling over this new Studio XPS like it was hot candy, thinking that if it has all the stuff I want, I will sell mine and get it. Too bad I am not much of a computer junkie I really do want the LED screen, backlit keyboard, GOOD BUILD QUALITY, and fast everything else, except Video as I will never ever play any more than Solitaire on it. I guess I could live with a 13.3 as I now have a 14.1. I really like Dell as a company and do not hold it against them that they cannot bring out new stuff fast enough to satisfy me. NO COMPANY CAN And Sony and HP are NOT possibilities for me no matter what they have. I hate the MAC like individual separate keys on some Sony's like the plague. YUCK.

 

That's quite a misguided point of view there. The macbook air style keyboard (which Sony did FIRST.) is very comfortable to type on and actually reduces mistaken key presses, because of the space between keys.
Plague? Come on.

And how do you know it has (quote) GOOD BUILD QUALITY? We don't even know if these laptops exist, how should we know how the build quality is like? Dell's aren't the most solid laptops out there, its more personal opinion imo.

And "fast everything else"? The specs (if they come out) of the Studios will be similar if not the SAME as the current mid-range consumer notebooks by HP and Sony.

Every major computer company except for Dell brought out new "consumer" (not the business ones) notebooks based on Montevina.

 

Just to add more "nothing" to the thread: I was just chatting with a DELL consultant. She offered me the Studio 15 and Studio 17 when asked for the Centrino 2 technology, but denied any knowledge about an updated XPS.

Quote (translated): "We really have no information about that until it appears on the website."

So, choose for yourself whether she didn't know anything for real or they are not supposed to talk about it. I know you were expecting this, so was I. Just wanted to check.

 

may be next week...or january...

Here in Spain there is a Comercial that says that the release will be tomorrow or next week.

 

By commercial you mean, that there is a publicity announcing Studio XPS laptops this or next week?

Can you please provide exact text and links if available?

 

'Tomorrow/next week' and 'January' are very far apart...

 

They wouldn't air a commercial without announcing the product. They couldn't even if they wanted to, I mean just look at the Apple leaks of just about every product that their rival delivers. Unless Dell use NDA's with the term 'punishable by death' of course...

Perhaps you saw a commercial for the Studio XPS desktop hardware?

 

i have read this here:
http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=263345&page=11

It´s a spanish forum, there is one that says that he had called a Dell Comercial of trust and the comercial had said that this week will be the release or may be next week. That´s the info.

 

I/we thought you meant (television) commercial.

So a Spanish commercial rep. outed the notebooks in that territory then? Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

Nah, don't bet on it. Every one has contacted reps and got mixed results. The rep I contacted (AUS) was clueless and didn't know what I meant. Like, she kept saying the Studios had Centrino 2s in them, but I was asking for the Studio XPSs which she had no idea about.

*** is Jayson?