New Dell Studio 17 announced (Studio 1745/47)

Hrm. Sounds about right.

 

I updated to the A04 BIOS. Didn't run any benchmarks, but after a 3 1/2 hour sleep, my computer still doesn't wake up properly. I had to press and hold the power button. No 7 beeps though (YET).

 

just a thought: maybe the new bios version works better with the 130W PS?
i'm still on 90W


and i just found this:
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Studio-1747-Notebook.23745.0.html (german!!)
this test is also with 900p screen

a little translation of interest:

great... and they didn't even have the 1080p screen which throttles even more...

ps: hope my translation is acceptable...

 

If i was intel i would be very upset. Dell is using the new Intel chips as the main selling feature of a lot of these laptops, then crippling them. People who are unaware of how or why the computers are throttling will be rather unimpressed, giving the i7 mobile a bit of a bad rep.

 

Keep in mind that 3DMarks by itself does not usually produce throttling. Try running 3DMarks AND SuperPi/Prime95 at the same time, and you will see throttling at work.

 

Cool, appreciate it. Heck if it's only the screws, I am sure I can get something that will fit even without Dell. Going to order the part!

 

Most of the people don't use their laptops at full power and won't have the throttling power and/or aren't aware of these issues because they're not active on forums like we . And didn't you notice Dell is slowly removing the core i7 quadcore's from their products. I don't know if Intel's also behind, but both can't use the bad publicity (once this goes past forums and tech-sites...).
Big companies, always think we would not notice they're covering it all up again

 

You can still order Studio 15, Studio 17, XPS 1645 and Precision M6500 with i7. However, Dell isn't really making it easy to find the first two.

 

on the german dell page, the 1747 with i7 is still available, only the FHD screen and the blue ray player are missing
but most likely it won't last long till it will replaced with the i5 model there too...

 

Why would it be replaced? The laptop is not really running very hot at all, cooling seems to be sufficient. I am hoping that Dell adjusts the BIOS and replaces the PSU with 130W model, as that will be sufficient.

i7 Quad-Core and i5/i7 Dual-Core models serve different purposes. Now, Dell may get i7 quad model out with ATI 5650 or 5750, which would help with the power issue as it should consume 10-15W less.

 

Btw, updated to the new bios. Don't really see any differences in temperature or performance.

Edit: Spoke too soon. Box just froze last night in the middle of doing nothing but running CPU-Z, GPU-Z and RealTemp (no load other then just monitoring). It came back up just fine, but this is concerning.

 

I'm quit sure they won't put the quadcore i7 together with the ati 5650. The proof can be found in the updated manuals in dell support. There's a screenshot in attachment.
Both the dell studio 15 and 17 will be updated with the new ati 5000 series, but only in combination with the dualcore arrandale cpu's.
Note: in blue are the quadcore studio's and in orange are the dualcore studio's.

 

Is there any indication that the 1749 will have the 1080p RGBLED screen as an option?

 

They finally shipped my 1745 and it arrived yesterday! I almost wanted to cancel the order when the next delay came, but I don't think I would have been able to get as good as a deal on another laptop.

-- Studio 1745 --
-- Intel® Core 2 Duo T6600 (2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
-- 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz
-- Back-lit Keyboard
-- 17.3” HD+ (900p) Bright LED Display with TrueLife™ and Camera
-- 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650
-- 500GB SATA HDD (7200rpm)
-- I'm not Really a Waitress by OPI
-- Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
-- Slot Load Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
-- High Definition Audio 2.0
-- Intel® WiFi Link 5100 802.11n Half Mini-Card
-- 56 Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
-- 2 Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis

All that for $786! (Christmas sale of saving $649 off 'this laptop', free upgrade to bluray drive, and Bing 20% cash back) Well worth the wait and the fiance is happy I just wish Dell would have better communication in regards to the status of their orders.

They delayed the order for the third time last week and told me they were going to cancel the order unless I responded within 24 hours to not cancel it. After I told them not to cancel the order, it ships two days later!

 

yes, they didn't left the 1080 led screen out as an option.
Note that some even said the previous b+rg screen was not a rgbled screen but just a led (backlight) screen. Still it is a superb screen according to many!

 

Those crazy Dell designers. ATI 5650 could really help with power requirements and cooling, not sure why they wouldn't do a quick redesign. Oh well, I can't return my box anyway and since it's working fine, I will just see what's available toward end of the year.

 

It's a really nice screen, whether it's true RGBLED or not. Viewing angles are very good for a laptop, it's very bright, colors are good (after some adjustments) and it powers through glare like a champ (when needed).

 

I am sure that screen is the reason why my order has been delayed 3 times now.


Didn't order the BluRay drive, so it has to be the screen.

 

Delivery date pushed back another week. No surprise. Estimated Delivery date now 1/27.

Ordered on 12/9.

 

I am suspicious also. Why DELL is reluctant or not capable to provide these basic options today, when they were pretty much standard a year ago when I got mine. Why? I am hoping and guessing in a fragile and recovering economy people buy quality items and a Laptop with

-RGB LED 1080p
-Bluray
-DDR3
-Intel 5300 WiFi
-Backlit Keyboard

is in high demand.

Bluray drive is probably the least important, because You can always buy it cheaper seprately, Or just download the Netflix Movie in 1080p anyways.

Its very suspicious and confusing why the simple and basic components I listed above are all but impossible to configure in a DELL Laptop today.

They should be MORE plentyfull and abundant not less.

 

I just bought one with all those options (sans Intel 5300) in the Outlet for $1K after 15% off coupon. You can buy a 5300 card on ebay for $25

 

I can think of plenty of reasons...
- R&D could be convinced (as you say) to be able to build a decent laptop with the 5000 series, because of the reduced power requirements, giving the i7 what it needs and still holding the 90 watt psu.
- On the other hand, technical services aren't to happy to have to handle all those angry customers again and having the same mess if those new config would have the same issues.
- Marketing & Sales really doesn't want to go into the same mess again, because Dell & core i7 became equal to big problems. For them it's just making things worse.
- Top management doesn't want bad publicity either. And they always try to avoid things they think are bad choices. The i7 gave problems and bad publicity, so why would it be different with the new combination with the Ati 5000 series? Remember, most top managers aren't technicians. They don't understand all these technical problems fully. They may know tdp (with a lot of luck) but they don't understand how the psu, motherboard, components,... handle the power. That's the job of the engineers. And they failed, so why trust them with a second chance?

You see it isn't as simple as that. If it was, no company would have customer complaints, internal problems,....
Humans are the strongest and weakest link in companies. At one hand they can accomplish more than expected (there are no boundaries), at the other hand they're unpredictable.
Start to ring a bell why some production companies like machines? They're 99,99% predictable (if not 100%, but let's be safe) and do what they say. That's also their limit though, they do what they say and that's it...
No humans, (almost) no problems, (almost) no need for (people) management.

From my point of view, Dell made a good choice leaving the quadcore i7 behind in their future sales, because of the global "studio 17" name. People with studio 17's without the core i7 even think they could have the same issues. I mean, most people don't know how a pc works. When they see studio 17 and problems, they link it to their own studio 17, whatever the configuration. Dell can't afford to put more shame on their studio 17 brand, it could force them to change the name, throwing away all studio branding build up the last years (studio 15, studio xps, and so on...).
Still they should do the possible for the people who bought it with the i7. And they doing it carefully, because no mistakes can be made now. A fast bad fixup could make things much worse, than a slow good fix.

Always remember in life, see things from outside your point of view and you'll see clearly. It's the key to succes in management. But as you see it isn't easy and no choices are good for everyone. There are always victims. All this is why management and especially H&R is not as easy as it seems to be.

Now, back in topic, let's Ati roll out those damn 5000 series! I'm waiting...

 

I think the main one is really that they have a crapload of 4650 GPUs they bought from ATI and they need to get rid of them. So they are waiting till that moment. Plus as you said it costs money to redesign.

 

I am really, really irritated with the way they keep changing things here. I'm trying to place an order with options I want--I can't even imagine the frustration of you guys with standing orders since early December.

All I want is a 1080p screen and a 1GB ATI card. I don't even need the best processor in the world--I'd be fine with a midrange Core2Duo, really, but I guess that's too hard for Dell to pull off?

Why did the i7s disappear to be replaced by the i5? Is that 1749 model being released soon? Everywhere I look seems to be conflicting reports.

Also: am I just incredibly stupid or is there no way to sort the Dell Outlet to see 1080p screens rather than 900p? Seems it only sorts by screen size which seems like an odd option for laptop models that all have the same physical size.

 

That's the beauty of Dell. They have no real stock (they do have SLA's though).
They send orders every hour or so depending on the factory demand (that depends on the customer orders). Everything depends if the supplier can deliver. That's why orders can take longer sometime (the supplier can't deliver with the promised speed).

The real thing is that Ati probably can't deliver the 5000 cards at the appropriate speed because their production isn't fast enough.

HP, Toshiba, Lenovo and others still order in batches (as for as I know). They do have the stock issue and the stock costs. But in advantage, if they can already buy a batch of the ati 5000 video cards and put them in stock even if production isn't fast enough at Ati's factory. Because well the production produces anyway.
They will only put it in high-end laptops though, because production is still slow at Ati and in consequence the bought batches are limited in volume.

Note: there have been rumours Ati said their production only will be at full speed in February... so be patient.

 

The unavailability of the 1080p screen remains a mystery. But it seems their supplier is having problems of delivering and they want to limit the angry waiting customers by removing it for the moment. They kept the 1080p option in the updated manual, so seems like it will return. Don't know when though...

The i5 is significantly more power-efficient (also more power per clock because of smaller die). And it probably won't cause any of the throttling and heat issues. Seems good enough reason to replace the i7 and not invest in a redesign of an recent model. Simple cost vs benefits question for Dell.

As for the Outlet, can't help you. Dell doesn't even have a outlet store here in Belgium...

 

Notebookjournal recently made a review of their first dx11 notebook: the Deviltech Fire 9060. It has an i7-720QM and Ati 5650 and I noticed something very interesting.
When they stresses the notebook the cpu could pull out 55 watt (when the tdp is 45 watt), which proofs my theory further that the quadcore i7 is capable of consuming more than the 45 watt if needed.
And this is the cause of all those throttling issues. Dell probably made their notebook too fast and wanted to release it fast with the core i7 and trusted the tdp of Intel as usual. But the new Turboboost technology, they didn't took that in account. First time (as far as I know) a processor actually exceeds it's max tdp.

Kinda logic if you know turboboost is just an automated overclocking technology. And overclocking is taking more out of the processor, going beyond the standard tdp... hence the extra cooling measures

Oh, I almost forget, here's the screenshot of the review and the source link.

http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/notebook-review-deviltech-fire-dtx-nkmo-1073/1

 

That's been a major annoyance of the Outlet inventory page for years... you have to click each one separately to get the popup to see what kind of screen it's got. What I usually do is sort by highest price first, because those are usually the 1080p / RGBLED screens... or look for a ~ $50 price differential, all other things being equal.

 

Excellent post dude. 55 Watts TDP in a laptop NO WAY!. Too hot Chipse is using 30 Watts GPU is using 20 Watts Dells Studio 17 this was their problem DELL failed.

DELL should #1 Recall the Studio 17's with Core i7's or Everyone should return them for a money back.

 

I was looking at the M6400 Workstation, which is pretty much the only system you can get a 17" RGB LED 1080p screen and guess what Now its a $600 Upgrade.

So if you can get a RGB LED screen for $250 extra go for it.

I think DELL miscalculated how in demand and popular these displays would be and now they can not get them back in stock.

On a side note its sad to see how badly they have crippled the Studio 17 line.

No More Bluray
No More RGB LED 1080p
No More Core i7 (unless its a horrible Quad Core over heat model)
No More Intel 5300 3 antenna WiFi card

 

Anyone else's laptop cause their headphones to crackle when the fan comes on or off? Mine does it every time. Very annoying. Dell would never recall these systems. They are hurting for money and it would give them more bad pub than actually ignoring the issue.

 

Well I found where DELL sent all the 17" RGB LED Displays and why the Studio 17 does not offer it anymore.

17-inch WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 - Beyond HD (1200p) - RGB LED

They all got sent to the ALIENWARE 17x line. Oh well.

 

So, how many i7 Studio17's have over heated?.
How many CPU failures have there been due to overheating?

I can't think of a single verified one.
In fact, all reviews of the 1747 report cooler temps.

 

Well actually, the Studio resolution is/was 1920x1080, not 1920x1200 (though I would prefer the 2nd one).

 

I'm typing this right now on my studio 1737 with a 1920x1200 screen, so no, you're wrong.

 

Look at the title of this thread - it's "Studio 1745/47", not 1737.

I'm typing this right now on a 1747, and the screen resolution is 1920x1080 - I just checked. So no, you're wrong.

 

If you need mobility (to be able to work at different locations) and a lot of firepower, the 55W thing is not really a biggie. You just need to have a power source nearby when you're at work.

Different users, different priorities!

 

I agree. There isn't anything much better on the market at the moment for that price. Well it's coming actually with the top-arrandale's... off course it's not quadcore but still very powerfull.
Core i7-620M 2.66 Ghz (up to 3.33 Ghz with turboboost) - 4MB cache - 35 tdp .... looking good
even the cheaper core i5's!

 

It's 1080p as PaulRivers says plus screen is NOT RGB, it's actually BG+R or something like that, it's not true RGB (still very nice).

 

That still won't give you 4 cores and you can't really fake it. Sometimes one needs the power. Now, the new Asus G73j, that's going to be a beast!

 

Hi
Thanks for all your posts it was really instructive and funny to read, but it's worrying me a lot. I really need an advice. Ive ordered an 1747 since the 29/12. I m now with no laptop cause mine died and I m using the university computerS.
here is my order :

Code:

1	224-7351	Studio 17 Laptop	$1335.84
1	312-0949	85 WHR 9-CELL,LION,PRIM BATT	$0.00
1	313-4783	HD AUDIO 2.0	$0.00
1	313-8044	Black Chainlink	$0.00
1	313-8870	8X DVD+/-RW DL,INSP	$0.00
1	317-2448	i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz, 8MB Cache)	$0.00
1	317-2714	4GB,DDR3,1333MHZ,2 DIMM,1747	$0.00
1	320-0828	17.3" HD+ TL LED DISPLAY W/CAM	$0.00
1	330-5395	STANDARD KEYBOARD (FR),INSP	$0.00
1	330-5790	ATI RADEON 4650 1GB,1747	$0.00
1	330-6222	Windows 7 OS Label,CNB	$0.00
1	330-6363	DELL RESOURCE DVD,BACK-UP,1747	$0.00
1	341-9983	500G HARD DRIVE, 7200RPM,1747	$0.00
1	410-1883	ADOBE READER 9.0,MLANG,I/S/X NB	$0.00
1	410-2185	MCAFEE SAPPHIRE MUI,15MTH,I/S NB	$0.00
1	420-6436	PC-RESTORE, DIM/INSP	$0.00
1	420-6576	DELL WELCOME,SW,DIM/INSP	$0.00
1	420-7938	DELL CONNECT 2.1,DIM/INSP/XPS	$0.00
1	420-9100	DELL DOCK CONSUMER,INB/XNB	$0.00
1	420-9352	DELL,SW,WILD TANGENT INC GAMES I/S	$0.00
1	421-0092	DELL-DOWNLOAD-FLAG	$0.00
1	421-0187	DELL SPRT-CTR SW,64BIT,2.0	$0.00
1	421-0323	WINDOWS LIVE SEARCH,MUI,CSMR NB/DT	$0.00
1	421-1009	DELL WEBCAM SW 1.4 APPLICATION KIT,CNB	$0.00
1	421-1362	DELL SOFTWARE,ROXIO 1.0, CNB	$0.00
1	421-1372	WIN 7 HOME PREM, 64, FR,INB	$0.00
1	421-1582	CYBERLINK POWERDVD 8.3 DVD PLAYBACK,CNB	$0.00
1	430-0701	Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini Car	$0.00
1	465-8687	PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH MORE DETAILS	$0.00
1	421-0513	MS WORKS 9.0/HS,FRENCH,I/S/X NB	$0.00
1	903-6337	HW WRTY+SVC,Studio1747,UNY,INIT,REL	$0.00
1	904-5590	NBD OS,Studio1747,UNY,INIT YR,REL	$0.00
1	920-5080	WARRANTY SPRT,INSP,INIT YR	$0.00
1	903-6218	HW WRTY+SVC,Studio1747,UNY,EXT,REL	$0.00
1	904-0432	NBD OS,Studio1747,UNY,2YR EXT,REL	$0.00
1	950-5442	WARRANTY SPRT,INSP,2YR EXT	$0.00
1	009-6800	SHIPPING FEE	$0.00
1	330-4532	NO WWAN,STUDIO 17	$0.00
1	420-9800	DELL REMOTE ACCESS, FREE BASIC SERVICE	$0.00
1	430-0735	INT 365 BLUETOOTH WIRELESS,CNB	$0.00
1	993-1919	Dell Remote Access, free basic service	$0.00

Do you think it's still a good deal? It's Canadian dollars.
Thanks any help is appreciated.
here is my question do you think it's a good price ? Or should I cancel my ordeR?
with taxes it's 1500$.
thanks

 

Its missing

- RGB LED 17" 1920x1200 (1200p) Display
- Intel 5300 802.11n wifi (3 antennas)
- Bluray Drive/ burner
- Finger Print scanner

All of which I bough in my 1737 Last Year, for the same price. U.S. Dell has really destroyed the Studio 17 brand.

and it looks like you are missing a BackLit Keyboard (thats a nogo in 2010)

 

Thanks Ice Cold
I went trough an EPP to buy it, and even some things where on the site the seller told me that they are out of stock specially the RGB screen & the blueray and even the blacklit keyboard. he told me that asking for that would delay my order for more than 2 months. So I took the basics since I really need a laptop.
I can still cancel my order since it s not in shipped. But the big problem I dont have an idea what to buy with 1500$ with such screen(17") and such perfomance.
Do you have any suggestions? I went to sony.ca and hp.ca but they are very expensive.
thanks in advance.

 

At that price or lower $1300 is what I paid for mine 14 months ago. If its because demand is high and components are in short supply I am happy for DELL.

I am mad because you and many many other customers want a good system. And its sad on how neutered or weak the Studio 17 has become. Its like DELL realised OH CRAP!! We are giving away.

- Bluray Drive (not even Apple has that)
- 17" 1920x1200 RGB LED (1200p) Display Again not even Apple
- Intel 5300 802.11n (which has 3 anetannas and is amazing)
- Back Lit Keyboard (A Must have)
- Finger Print Reader
- Dedicated ATI graphics

for $1,300 or less, You try and build a Lenovo with this setup and its $2,500 with a dedcent T9600 Core 2 Duo TODAY.

I really got lucky.


Today DELL sells you a Studio 17 with a Touchscreen, but you can only have Intel intergrated graphics, and only DELL Wifi

DELL massages or deliberately limits configurations, So people won't buy.

The only decent system, Today is a Studio XPS 16 But a good setup today costs $2,300 I paid $1,000 less 14 months ago.

WHY? Because 14 months ago the Studio XPS 16 did not exists. So DELL was selling loaded high end Studio 17's to bridge the gap to the GamingXPS line.

Now the Gamins XPS line is gone and its Alienware-Studio XPS-Studio
before it was Alienware-XPS-Studio. Now all the good components get put in the Studio XPS and the Studio becomes a 17 inch WALMART $800 Laptop.

To understand DELL's level of neglect and steps its taking to kill a line, they actually "hide" the 17 inch Touchscreen model. That says it all.

 

clogui,
Cancel your order, that 1920x900 screen is awful.
Seriously, one of the worst I've seen.
(Look around the forums, uneven, poor viewing angle.. that resolution is too low for a 17"...)

 

Well I am an idiot!! I dropped my 2 month old studio 17!! Hit the corner of a table then the ground and left an inch long gash on the top of the case. Opened it up, turned it on and to my dismay the screen is completely screwed! Its all cracked on the inner layer so the screen just looks like a bomb hit it. Also I tried outputting to an external monitor and its not putting out a signal so maybe internal damage as well.
Soooooo what are my options? I got the basic warranty which does not cover accidental damage. Do I even have any options? Is it possible to add the complete care extended warranty which would include a dropped laptop and then claim it under that in a few weeks? Its a bit sneaky but I have a bad feeling what its going to cost me to get this thing fixed.
I am in Canada if that makes a difference.
Any advice is greatly appreciated!!!!!!

 

who says it was accidental, sounds like evertyday wear and tear, opening closing the lids crack caused due to a design flaw.

 

Haha I like the way you think but its pretty bad. The screen is completely F'ed when I turn it on and I can rule out internal damage to another component. What should I do????????

 

NEVER Admit it was an accident or your fault.

Say its not functioning properly, when the phone rep asks why say it won't turn on. That will trigger a home tech to come out. or pripr to that see if you can buy a back cover ANY other color just the plastic. Replace it, now it looks more acceptable that it was a compoenent crack or failure.

Or get you battery to blow up, and blow up the laptop along with it. I think there are some YouTube video tuorials that triggers a complete full replacement.

 

The only thing that is a must have from above list is upgraded screen, and the BG+R 1920x1080 is not that much worse. Yes, it's a better format, but all LCD manufacturers are going that route, it's not really Dell that's at fault here, really. For the most part only some of the business laptops from HP, Dell and Lenovo still have that, and they are pricey. Now, availability issue is a concern, but that will resolve itself eventually.

Bluray - who cares. You can always get external. Also, this is just temporarily availability issues.

Intel 5300 - again, not a huge issue. Dell's card is not too bad and if needed one can get Intel 5100 or external USB adapter of any sort. Is this ideal? No, but not a deal breaker.

Keyboard - it's there. Ditto for graphics, since 4650 did not go anywhere.

Fingerprint reader - useless, IMO. The tech is not that great, I've had it on a bunch of work laptop.

I just don't get the vehemence. It's just a laptop. One can always go to HP, or Asus, for example, and get something else. It's really not a big deal. I think it's a good enough laptop for the price (with the upgraded screen) for the price/performance impact. Is it perfect? Heck no. Is it decent? Definitely.

- clogui: Cancel the order and either wait for 1080p screen or check out say Envy 15, some of the Asus stuff, Alienware M15x, XPS 1647 or other systems. IMO, on 17" laptop screen is a big feature and according to most people with 1600 x 900 screens on this thread, it sucks. 1080p screen on the other hand is really good.

- mintchris: You can try to get the warranty, but you would have to live for a bit with the current system, since you can't really call Dell week after you get the warranty without there being some suspicion. Do you have home owners insurance? You may be able to check with them and see if this is covered.