The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    Spill the Beans Dell Spill the Beans! Manufacturers Piling Up to Expose the World to Montevina.

    Discussion in 'Dell' started by Forte, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Phil

    Phil Retired

    Reputations:
    4,415
    Messages:
    17,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    455
  2. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
  3. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    If the m1340 has the 9500gs would it have the ddr2 or 3 ram?
    And what are the chances that the m1340 will have a 9500gt or 9600gs or even the 9600gt?
    Cause I want to use this Laptop for a tad bit of Gaming
    and the m1640 won't be out for awhile
    So I don't want to wait for it and it'll be a bit big anyways...
     
  4. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    @spajix: No one can really say for sure what kind of specs the laptops will carry. However, since the 9500M GS is actually very similar to the 8600M GT, I don't think the new 13-incher will carry it. It's more likely that it will come with the 9300M GS, which the 9-series equivalent of the 8400M GS that the M1330 ships with. I wish Dell would end all this suspense already. It's getting very annoying.
     
  5. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    The 9500 is on a smaller die process though, right? So it should be a possibility...

    Though to me the 8600GT was very low performance even when it launched a year or two back.
     
  6. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I guess it depends on how much smaller it is compared to the 8600M GT, but I still think the 9300M GS is the most likely replacement for the 8400M GS.

    About the performance of the 8600, notebook chips are always underpowered compared to their desktop counterparts. The desktop 8600 was a mid-range card and so the mobile 8600 is effectively mid-mid-range. :p
     
  7. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I'de say at least the 9500GS
    I probably won't get a M1340 if there's anything less
    And put in how the Centrino 2 chipset is 25% smaller
    and how the New 9 series is smaller and puts off less heat
    They could easily put the 9500GS in it
    and I think if they want it to sell good they'll put something even nicer in it
     
  8. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
    I definitely think they could do that. The M1640 would probably opt for the 9600 like the HP notebooks.
     
  9. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    They need to at least put the 9700GT in the m1640
    maybe even the 9800GTX but I don't think there wanting it to be for gaming so probably not
    I just want the m1340 to be able to play some good games like Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Spore
    It doesn't have to play crysis or anything
     
  10. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    You also have to consider the power consumption of these chips. The 9800M GTX is going to consume 70W or so (according to notebookcheck.net :p) which means you need a larger power brick and battery life will be crap. The ASUS G50V has the 9700M GT and it comes with a 120W adapter, compared with the 90W adapter for the M1530 (and 65W for the M1330). Larger power bricks compromise mobility to a certain extent.
     
  11. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    It could still be done

    So there should be an option to hurt mobilty for better gaming
    And to hurt gaming for better mobilty
    it should be up to who ever is spending $1000 + for the Lappy to choose
     
  12. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Well, for your sake, I hope Dell thinks the same way, spajix. :p
     
  13. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Finally found this...apparently the 9700GT has 48 processors-so it's sort of in between the mobile 8600GT and 8800GTS.

    Not the greatest thing ever, but I'll sure take it over what most of these laptops are using now!
     
  14. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    lol I hope so too
     
  15. Phil

    Phil Retired

    Reputations:
    4,415
    Messages:
    17,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    455
    No I did not forget that. At the time of that writing the information was so that the BZ was not going to be sold in US.

    Now, at this time, it is clear that BZ is being sold in US. JCparts already has it, and other retailers are offering it too.

    Just an example that full Centrino 2 laptops (with Intel X4500 and Intel wireless) are available now.
     
  16. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
    They may be available now, but they weren't when I originally posted so it's a moot point. What other retails are you talking about? It's not on the Sonystyle site, would they not be selling it?
     
  17. Phil

    Phil Retired

    Reputations:
    4,415
    Messages:
    17,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    455
    Well moot or not, full Centrino 2 laptops are available ;)

    Sonystyle does not sell it because it is a business model. It's only on Sony B2B:
    http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcategory/notebooks/performance/bz-series
     
  18. jpzsports

    jpzsports Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    376
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I've been waiting around for quite some time now hoping Dell would refresh their Studio lineup with Centrino 2, but this is getting ridiculous.
    My final choices are between the Studio 17 and the HP dv7.
    What do you think of the comparison between these two? If Dell eventually does add in Centrino 2 to the Studio 17, then would it be worth the wait, or would the dv7 be better anyways?

    Thanks
     
  19. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    To me it looks like the big difference is:

    dv7 offers a better GPU-Geforce 9600GT (although the Radeon 3650 is still within the same "generation" of hardware and would be within spitting distance, I suppose), while the Studio 17 offers a better screen (the one with LED backlighting). Other than that they're pretty similar. So I'd just pick one based on which feature is more important to you and/or price. (Personally I'm never buying another screen that uses CCFLs for a variety of reasons.)

    The fast front side bus is apparently worth even less than it was back on the Pentium 4 (where a bumped up FSB was worth about 1 speed grade on the CPU's clock speed). I've read that we won't see much benefit until Intel releases the first mobile quad core.

    Of course Dell may release an XPS 1540 or whatever with a GPU that's much better than what HP offers AND has LED backlighting, etc. They probably will in fact. HP's always way behind on the GPUs. They're only just now matching what Dell had on their mid-range notebooks over a year ago.

    Now WHERE THE HECK are the new/bumped notebooks Dell? I wants a 1730 with an LED backlight, and throw in the new chipset and bump the GPU to a 9800GTX while you're at it! Form factor seems awesome already since I think the 1730 is actually built to be used (most notebooks seem to be designed to look cute, not be run at 100% indefinitely-so far I haven't heard of a single 1730 overheating or anything, so it's almost perfect for me :) )
     
  20. link747

    link747 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    9
    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I believe that the 9700 GTS is the one that has 48 stream processors and that the GT version only has 32 stream processors. Well that is according to notebookcheck and to nvidias site anyways.
     
  21. Forte

    Forte NBR's Supreme Angel

    Reputations:
    352
    Messages:
    2,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Yup thats right. 9700M GT has 32 stream processors. The 8600GT also has 32 stream processors, same as the 9600GT.
     
  22. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Thanks, yeah, that's what I read too.

    What's confusing is the 8600GT, 8700GT, 9500GS, 8600GT, and 9700GT are ALL THE SAME BASIC HARDWARE!
     
  23. krazyfalcon

    krazyfalcon Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    this might be a dumb question, but, what's the chances that the 9 series GPU from nvidia is gonna be defective? other than the normal chances of a GPU being defective?
     
  24. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Probably the same as any other GPU. I wouldn't worry about. Just get a warranty, as notebooks have high failure rates anyway.
     
  25. old_man

    old_man Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    I have a government contract with Dell, and my sales rep told me today that the Latitude E-Series should be out on August 12th, as well as the Precision M2400 and M4400. He also said the "Ultramobile Latitudes" won't be out until September, with no exact date as of yet. He did not mention the XPS line.

    Sorry, that's the best I can do! :)
     
  26. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    The Precisions are coming out with the Latitudes? Wow, Dell snuck those in at the last minute it seems, seeing as they only got a brief mention in the recent slides that Engadget posted.

    Nobody knows anything about new XPSes. This is worrisome.
     
  27. Phil

    Phil Retired

    Reputations:
    4,415
    Messages:
    17,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    455
    All I know is there have been some dates going around for M1340 and M1640.

    Forgot what they were exactly.
     
  28. TheRandomGuy

    TheRandomGuy Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    august 24th
    but they donno about that one since the 24th is a sunday and they never release on a sunday

    and i think the other one was around september 23rd?
     
  29. Forte

    Forte NBR's Supreme Angel

    Reputations:
    352
    Messages:
    2,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
  30. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    2,389
    Messages:
    10,552
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    456
    I think most people won't get their Montevina laptops until the end of August or beginning of September - it's not even just Dell. Intel's delay affected everyone. I hope Dell releases their laptops sometime in August though...
     
  31. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    While the supply has been low, you can buy Montevina laptops from ASUS, Sony, Toshiba, etc. In fact Best Buy is selling the new Montevina-based Qosmios in-store, so you can go pick one up today! :p
     
  32. Husar

    Husar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    20
    Messages:
    115
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Do you ppl think that the new xps's will come with a floating keyboard layout like the new vaio models?
    I sure would love to see them implemented, as they make the laptop look 100x better
     
  33. old_man

    old_man Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    The XPS line isn't on our contract, so that may be why he didn't mention it.
     
  34. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
    Floating keyboard aka the Macbook keyboard (even though Sony used it first years ago)? If so I kind of doubt it.
     
  35. spajix

    spajix Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    6
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    It'll have a backlite keyboard surely
    Which is pretty Niffty If I say so myself
    But I don't know what a floating keyboard is?

    Anybody else thinking about getting E 6500 or E 6400 instead?
    I very well may do this
    It all depends on the price and gpu in it when they come out...
     
  36. Husar

    Husar Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    20
    Messages:
    115
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    41
  37. thegman

    thegman Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    thought i'd mention....in addition to watching movies, the 16:9 ratio would also be great if you are doing work in photoshop or flash as you get additional space for the toolbars etc.
     
  38. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    I refer to those as chicklet keyboards :D
     
  39. Phil

    Phil Retired

    Reputations:
    4,415
    Messages:
    17,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    455
    Chicklet keyboard is what I heard from a guy working at Sony too.
     
  40. wywern209

    wywern209 NBR Dark Knight

    Reputations:
    47
    Messages:
    979
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    either way what i would like is an all aluminum laptop.
     
  41. agent_07

    agent_07 Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    hmmm...hurry up dell, i seriously cant wait any longer
     
  42. Swatie

    Swatie Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
  43. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
  44. ElectricTool

    ElectricTool Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    27
    Messages:
    304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    That's the E6400 ATG rugged laptop which is why it's more expensive than the rest of the new Latitudes.
     
  45. Cin'

    Cin' Anathema

    Reputations:
    14,217
    Messages:
    15,406
    Likes Received:
    87
    Trophy Points:
    466
    The release would be awesome, if it were at the same time as the Mini I...but that's my silly *day dreaming* ;) :D :rolleyes:
     
  46. Forte

    Forte NBR's Supreme Angel

    Reputations:
    352
    Messages:
    2,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    We'll see what happens, Tuesday is only a day away.
     
  47. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
    It's a long day away. Does anyone know when the conference is held tomorrow? It's in San Francisco so I'd assume 10am/1pm EST. That's usually how Apple does it.
     
  48. Wolfpup

    Wolfpup Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    128
    Messages:
    4,082
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    106
    There's a CONFERENCE now? And we're waiting for Tuesdays? WE'VE BECOME APPLE FANS! :D :p
     
  49. atbnet

    atbnet Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    5,868
    Messages:
    5,889
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    206
    Yeah it's some sort of unveiling event.
     
  50. Forte

    Forte NBR's Supreme Angel

    Reputations:
    352
    Messages:
    2,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Yeah, its confirmed that the Dell Mini Inspiron will be unveiled, though there may be other product releases as well. I doubt Dell would be like Apple and hold a conference the exact same time as Apple holds their conferences. XD Though if it means knowing what the Montevina refreshes will look like, hey, I'm fine with that.
     
← Previous pageNext page →