*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Hey Mr. Fox, Is that full Thermaltake case? That's my next case, love all the extra room in there.

 

Yes, View 71 RGB. It looks amazing.

 

Yes sir it sure does!

 

@Trafficante...

 

Yeah, you've got a real beast here, bro.

Time for a nap.

 

I like the improv with push & pull fans on the GPU coolers in order to allow for the hoses to reach, while also lowering temperatures. Is it noisy with triple stacked fans? Looking at your pics I'm thinking you don't need those two large case fans on the outside front of the case, because you've just got 2 intake fans stacked on top of each other - I can't imagine that increasing efficiency, but I can imagine it creating more noise. Wouldn't it be better to keep the setup you have, but just remove the 2 front case fans, the push/pull will still be there on the GPU radiators, and I can see them pulling in enough air themselves?

 

No, it's actually not very loud. Those big 140mm Thermaltake fans are like those in my chassis, only RGB. They are really quiet and mostly for aesthetics I think. They do move air, but not violently or in massive volume. It looks nice enough that it would be sad to remove them. Efficient or not, temps are obviously very good. The CPU is a bear to cool, even with the 360mm radiator with push/pull. 14C/28T at 4.7GHz is a lot of CPU to cool, LOL.

 

I cannot do that. I care too much about ascetics and acoustic performance....

On a side note, I am making myself wait another 3-4 weeks before deciding on Titan Volta. What do you think of the product? It does great in V-Ray but no where near the performance vs price for 1080TIs.

 

Unless it somehow makes you money in a business scenario (measurably increasing efficiency, etc. that impacts the bottom line in an meaningful manner) it seems like an absolutely ludicrous waste of money to me. Almost to the point of looking like a publicity stunt, even though it is not. The word asinine also comes to mind. Like flushing cash down the toilet because it is so grossly overpriced. I'd love to have one for free, but I would actually buy one for $100 more than 1080 Ti without complaining. I'd still balk at anything greater than historical Titan GPU prices.

 

I bumped your RAM to 3400 and maxed out the tREFI and it seems very stable. Look at the AIDA64 benchmark.

 

I will try it and see. Still waiting for USPS to deliver the second 960 Pro so I can install the Windows OS X abortion on that one.

The CPU does not crash with lower voltage, but the wPrime, Cinebench and 3DMark Physics scores are all lots lower. This CPU can run 47x14 with stock voltage, just lower performance. Overclocking cache on the i9 seems like a no go. The stock cache ratio is ridiculously low (like 28x) and going above 30x so far has been unstable. I tried setting cache to match core ratio (which is no problem for 6700K, 7700K and 8700K) and it would not boot. Had to press the CLR_CMOS button on the motherboard.

 

If I do get the titan volta, it would not likely be for gaming or anything like that.

Titan Volta have the highest price vs performance for double precision compute and probably the highest price vs performance for DL as well. Its a very interesting product but it do not have the Quadro cert or full Quadro driver. I must admit, I like this type of product as a principle.

Why the 14 core in the end? I remember you asking me about my experience with the 7980XE. I am just curious. The 14 cores seems to be a fairly popular option. @Trafficante

 

Nice seeing 14 cores can almost keep track with 2 more cores from Ryzen Threadripper 1950X

 

I love all ultra high end killer stuff based on principle, too. But, my wallet does not. Other than my mortgage, I am almost debt-free and I want to kill off all of my credit balances, including the mortgage, before I allow myself to indulge in the luxury of wanton excessiveness.

Gaming represents a fairly small amount of the pleasure I derive from my computers. I like gaming a lot, but it's not super important top-of-list for me, and a smooth experience can be had with pretty ordinary, boring and inexpensive mid-range hardware.

 

I prefer not go get loans to buying computer parts. That not something I do.

I honestly do not game that much these days anyways. You should NEVER get a Titan Volta for the sole purpose of gaming, that much is clear.

Regardless, interesting 7940x. How many degrees was the drop from delidded to undelidded?

 

Delid dropped the temps about 20°C. If I could afford a 7940X (and a matching 1080 Ti for SLI) I definitely work. The 7940X is wicked.

Yes, I know that about you. We've communicated about that before. You're very level-headed. People that make a habit of buying things they cannot afford using credit cards are not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'm not against having/using credit and smart people use it appropriately. Emergencies can arise, etc. Using it to buy toys, not too smart. Been there/done that as a young and foolish buck. Obsolescence is a merciless brute that overtakes revolving accounts and compound interest at an alarming rate.

 

The new Skylake X is wonderful for certain things. However, I suggest you clock up the mesh considerably, especially for gaming applications. 1.05v on the mesh should take you to 3ghz mesh(I see you have done that), but I think with only 14 cores, you can go higher than that. I highly recommend you push up the mesh as much as possible.

I do not mind buying things on credit card especially with the reward points. However, I always pay it back and do not accrue interest on it. I would not even consider buying hardware if I cannot afford it. I agree with you 100% on that you shouldnt buy toys on debt!

 

Not worth the 3k for my use. We tried one with OpenCL simulations and its barely outperforming the Titan XP (2017).

But yeah, as far as cases are concerned, they are mainly for people who care about just assembling a system in a space and then leaving it be. For people like me / Fox / John (maybe?) , they are more of a hassle lol. If not for the other 2, at least for me im pretty much always pulling things out or adding something in.

Cant remember the last time i bought something major using my credit card. I think the only charges i see on there are the recurring services ones.

 

No, probably not. My biggest problem with the card is that is not a real Quadro running on actual Quadro driver but the price is approach the Quadro pricing.

Regardless, for the case, I want acoustic performance since I do not like to wear headphones.

 

I am actually getting rid of my 16L13 hopefully in December. So I am a lot more streamlined now...

 

@Trafficante - here are a couple more better pictures with the plastic skin peeled off and sitting where mine usually sits. I think I might have it all finished and ready to ship on Monday or Tuesday. Unless they are working extra late for Christmas deliveries, USPS won't be dropping off your second 960 Pro (after 8PM here now) until Monday.

 

well guys I got my 1080 to +225 on gpu +475 on mem clock but it stays at 76-78c under load and that's as far as I want to push it even though asus says its max running temp is 90c not bad for a "reference card" any advise on how to keep my min fps up? scene 7 kills my fps average always drops me down to 40 ish fps

 

Fair enough, I agree that those external case fans look good, and that you're getting good temperatures, would be interesting to know if their inclusion improves or worsens the cooling performance, and they must add a small amount of noise to the overall system, although perhaps could be imperceptible.

 

What! Scene 7 drops your average to only 40fps, that's mad, I'll run Heaven and see what happens at Scene 7. You're also running a very low resolution in your test, which makes such a result even weirder! I'll report back with my results & ideas once I've tested.

EDIT: Ok, done some testing with Heaven benchmark and here are my results (this is maxed out on all settings including AA, custom, at 1920x1080 resolution):

You talk about Scene 7 fps drops. Scene 7 is only a very short scene, and my average fps was in 120's for that scene, but that is the scene where there was a momentary drop in fps to the minimum that you see in my results (37.5fps) - this is just a really short imperceptible momentary dip in framerates, not an average of Scene 7. I'm thinking you're just experiencing the same thing. You're not getting an average of 40fps in Scene 7 are you, surely just an imperceptible short dip to the 40's right?

 

yeah I know I am working out of state and I am not at home this is the only monitor I could pick up max res is 1680x1050 16:10 widescreen sense I left my home I traded that alienware in my sig for the tower in my sig, I have a 1080 p 144 hz 42in 3ms lg at home I'm working out in the middle of no where and its like 1 1/2-2 hr drive to the closest kmart

 

@FaTT , I've edited my previous post with the test results.

 

Those temperatures are basically negating most of the overclock. You've got to keep the GPU at or below 50°C for the boost clocks to hold.

 

according to what I read from asus about this card its supposed to be able to run full oc at 90 okay ill start over and not go above 50 and see what the results are

 

Your temperatures in the 70's has nothing to do with the possibly brief drop to 40fps in Scene 7 in Heaven benchmark, especially as you're running a low resolution and no anti aliasing. If you read my last-but-one post that I've edited you'll see that I also had a brief drop to close to 40fps in that scene, it's just a short dip, not the average for Scene 7, it's just a momentary imperceptible stutter (nothing wrong with your system if that's what you're seeing) - it's a quirk of the benchmark.

 

okay so this is back at stock, and this creeps me out because after all that boost didn't raise 1c really...

 

for sure I just thought it dropped my average along with score so was seeing if there was something I can do to get it higher

 

Man, what are you talking about, your mind is all over the shop. If you're not gonna read and answer my posts that are trying to explain your initial 'problem' with Heaven benchmark then that's your thing, but you're flitting around like a blue-assed fly, have you drunk too much coffee, ha!

EDIT: ha, ok, you answered my post while I was typing, sorry! Well, you're seeing normal behaviour with your GPU & the heaven benchmark, it's nothing to do with your GPU temperature.

 

@Papusan , check out this video from 14:11 point, how's it make you feel?!
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3173-titan-v-hybrid-mod-build-log-liquid-cooling-gpu

 

What you think?

Spoiler: More like this...

 

STAHP! That's too much paste man, may as well throw up on your GPU!

 

I haven't forgot his first try with Conductonaut on i9

 

Ha, was that him! I think I saw some insane liquid metal pics you posted.

 

YEES

 

This much is true. That problem is inherent with Heaven scene 7. It always does that at scene 7 regardless of stock or overclock. The temperatures going above 50°C starts to methodically eliminate the core overclock bit by bit until it ends up being more or less non-existence around 65-70°C.

The temperatures you are reaching... the max boost is not holding, so you are basically accomplishing almost nothing by overclocking. This is an engineering flaw (actually an intentional piece of crap idea) from NVIDIA.

 

Holy sh*t, guy should have been a builder...the way he's slapping on thermal paste like he's trying to build a castle of bricks or something (likely composed of dead GPUs!)!

EDIT: I do like his site though, which I've been viewing only since the last few months.

 

It's true you eliminate some of the overclock from boost diminishing with increased temperature, but the same happens when at stock clocks, so you still get more performance from overclocking, but of course it's great to keep temperatures as low as possible so no clocks are lost - water cooling GPUs is great, I might well do that for my next build.

 

You should. The EVGA Hybrid cooler keep my 1080 Ti and both 1080 Ti in the desktop I am working on for @Trafficante almost always at or below 50°C. Core clocks hold almost the entire time the system is being used, and if I enable K-Boost the core clocks are locked solid at the offset 95% of the time. These are the power and temp readings after two 3DMark 11 and one 3DMark 11 Extreme run. As you can see, a 1KW PSU would be a bad choice. Fortunately, he has a Corsair AX1200i in it.

 

Ooops... here was the last run: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12552499

 

Building a new gaming rig for a client. He didn't want to go full water cooling but I got him to get an AIO that isn't an AIO (EKWB Phoenix) so it can be expanded in the future. 8700K - GPU undecided - 16GB of 3600 RAM - Maximus X Code and a big boy of a case EVGA DG-86. Will post scores as soon as the EKWB phoenix arrives.

 

Should be a nice build. Excellent mobo choice as well. Other than some added plastic trim covering the PCB, very similar to the Hero in almost every respect. When I compare them side-by-side the only thing I can identify different than the Maximus X Hero is Code does not have a few features for extreme OC and LN2. The only reason I even know this is because I had never heard of the "Code" and had to go look to see what it was and how it differs from the "Hero" version. DG-86 is a very attractive behemoth case.

 

The case dwarfs all my own cases and I really like the temp probe and case fan controller that has a digital readout on the "front". I am not so sure about the included fans but I have to keep this build under 2500. So far I'm at $1700 (why must good ram cost so damn much) and I don't have a GPU, storage or better fans.

 

mr fox I do totally believe you but I think I am still benefiting from the oc I put on it heaven scores are a lot higher with that oc the fact I cannot bring it down that low is making me want to buy a lc aio for it ill be sure to look into one I have asus version of a refrence card so it shouldn't be too hard to replace the blower style cooler on it with a aio or a ekwb kit for this i5 and the 1080 but until then its running at the same temp as asus stock clock and its under warranty so if anything happens until I get a cooler for it I can get it replaced

 

Maybe don't get such good RAM, 16GB of 3600Mhz RAM is what you chose - there's not much gain to be had above 3200Mhz RAM, I would have gotten a cheap 3200Mhz set, maybe even just 8GB dual channel with a view to add another 2 sticks when RAM prices fall. If he needs all 16GB straightaway then that wouldn't be worth doing though. You can spend more on the GPU & other components then.

 

@Trafficante @Johnksss

 

@Trafficante - I may be able to ship this to you sometime tomorrow. That is my goal. It will go no later than Wednesday, but hoping for tomorrow. You'll have it before Christmas.

The way I have this set up for dual boot, it will automatically load a boot menu for Windows 10. It will have options for:

• Windows 10
• Macrium Reflect Recovery

On this screen hit the Escape key one time. This will switch it over automatically to the boot menu for Windows 7 with options for:

• Windows 7
• Macrium Reflect Recovery

Use an external hard drive (or add an internal drive) and use Macrium Reflect to create recovery images for each operating system. You cannot store a recovery image on the drive that you want to reimage.

I'm sure you will go further with more time to tune and tweak, but so far this wicked beast has achieved some status on the Futuremark Hall of Fame... with not much effort, I might add.

#9 Sky Diver Hall of Fame
#50 Cloud Gate Hall of Fame
#98 Time Spy Hall of Fame
#32 Time Spy Extreme Hall of Fame
#36 Fire Strike Hall of Fame
#90 Fire Strike Extreme Hall of Fame
#27 3DMark 11 Extreme Hall of Fame
#23 3DMark 11 Hall of Fame
#18 3DMark Vantage Hall of Fame

You will be a valuable addition to the HWBOT @Prema Team.

Also moved me up 8 spaces in rank within the Enthusiast League (as Brother @Johnksss told me would happen).

http://hwbot.org/user/mr._fox/