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@mr.fox hey mr fox check out this heaven score I have been tweeking stuff hard! now I got my score to 7308 with 8xAA

and it wont let me upload the HTML

 

That is a nice score. Good job. How does it do with 1920*1080 full screen? For some reason you have to choose custom to set that resolution because it is grayed out using the Extreme preset.

 

This is for @Papusan before I box it up.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3738563_

http://hwbot.org/submission/3738565_

 

well honestly I'm not too sure I got this POS 1680x1050 monitor until I can either find a decient one for a decient price on CL or something I live like 2-3 hours from the closest electronics store and I work every day 12+ hours so its kind of hard to break away to get to the store

and yeah the only way to do 1080p is custom the preset tests all run in 1200x800 I believe or something close to it

Edit, oh and that's with +285 on cpu and +575 on mem clock I couldn't get it to go much higher without artifact city and even at that clock theres a artifact every once and a while I quit using firmark because it kept telling me artifact city at way lower clock speeds then crash but I never saw 1 artifact and its still running the same temp as stock 76-78c under full load dosnt go over 78 though

 

mr fox def seems to enjoy it and is a master @ it if/when I sell this beast I have or need to get another system for some reason hes the first one I am going to contact if I don't decide to do it myself >

 

@Trafficante
I concur with Brother Fox. You will be a welcomed addition to the team!

 

@Mr. Fox @Trafficante Cool stuff. Fox knows what he is doing. Have fun.

 

I apologize, I did not realize that was your native screen resolution. Running it native is the best approach. The custom resolution will not likely change anything as far as the benchmark goes because you cannot really add or remove pixels from the panel. It merely distorts the image to simulate another resolution. That's still a nice Heaven benchmark result regardless.

 

no need to apologize bro I plan on running it at 1080p just once I get home I have a 42 in 3ms 1080p 144 hz lg tv at home oh and the reason why I keep resorting to heaven is because from my experience out of using all of the benchmarking software most bench marks aren't really real world application I have found that heaven is the closest to running a game the fps in heaven is usually pretty damn close to the fps at that res in a dx 11 or dx9 game

 

All right, yeah that will definitely work.

You can find some really decent buys on 1080p LCD monitors on Craigslist if you keep an eye open. You can actually get OK panels for under $100 brand new as well. The monitors I use for work are a pair of matching ASUS VS228 that I picked up on sale a couple of years ago for like $90 each brand new from NewEgg. I attached them to a Planar dual LCD monitor stand and couldn't be happier with them for how I use them. I reckon you could probably find some like these second hand for like $50-$60 and they're everything I need them to be. (I'm not big on crazy expensive monitors... much rather spend my money on something else.)

 

yeah I'm kind of the same way atm I think 4k is a waste of money unless your getting like a 50+ inch because I cant read the writing unless its that big lol and the pricing is just outrageous id much rather get a huge 1080p monitor or tv I know a guy who spent 3800 on his tower and is having trouble gaming at 4k he wants me to take a look he said he built it himself and spent 3800 in parts but cant tell me what gpu or cpu it is lol

 

Yes, I did enjoy it. But, I haven't slept much since it got here, LOL. Work all day, work all night. At least the work at night has been fun. But, now Mr. Sandman is seeking revenge for the way I have been treating him.

 

how much would you charge me to delid a cpu and would you also need the board?

 

Not much. Probably something really minimal like $10 to simply pop the lid loose for you if you pay the shipping both ways, but it would have to be a socket 1151 CPU. The socket 2066 tool I used on the i9 belongs to Trafficante and will be shipped to him with his stuff. I only own the socket 1151 delid tool. All I would need is the CPU to do that. The tool is only like $40. https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/

 

so I have this asus z170-a I believe it will take a kaby lake is it worth the upgrade to a i5 7600k? or maybe i7 7700k depending on how cheap I can get it and would you have a use for this old i5 if I replace it

 

Good job getting it ready for him for Christmas - what a Christmas present hey!

 

i5-7600K is not really much of an upgrade over i5-6600K as it's still only 4 cores & 4 threads, but just a slightly higher clock. 7700K is a good upgrade from 6600K, but probably only worth doing if you know you're getting frame rate drops from using your current 6600K - you could test the theory by making sure V-sync is not active and then seeing what your GPU utilisation is like during gaming (assuming there are no in game frame rate caps) - ideally you'd want to see your GPU at 100% utilisation the whole time, which means the CPU is not bottlenecking it. Although if the frame drops aren't large, then there's no point upgrading to 7700K. 7700K will help out because it's got 4 more threads than your 6600K as well as having higher clocks, it's 4 core 8 threads - this will help out in some games that love the extra cores, as well as for future games. Basically though, it's not worth upgrading just yet if you're not noticing any frame rate drops with you current system - this is only talking from a gaming perspective, and if you do a lot of CPU intensive stuff for work or leisure, then you'd want the 7700K right now.

A year ago I was about to build my desktop & I was asking for advice in the forums here on part choice. We had lots of debates about whether I should get i5-6600K + GTX 1080 vs i7-6700K + GTX 1070 - it was about 50/50 in both camps amoungst the people discussing. As you can see I chose the 6700K + GTX 1070 option, I downgraded the GPU one notch to get the better CPU (6700K is like 7700K, is also 4 core 8 threads). I did this because I knew GTX 1070 was good for 1920x1080 res, but also because I knew that more cores was gonna become more important in the future (see AMD Ryzen & recent Intel CPUs & some of the newer games) - 6700K provides a better base for current & future gaming, especially with future GPU upgrades down the line.

 

Figure I'd post here.

I have a Rockit88 and Rockit99 kit so I figured I'd offer a delidding service to any NBR member in Colorado Springs/South Denver.
I live in northern Colorado Springs but go to med school in Parker.
Looking for $0 per delid (yes 0). What's the catch? I'm a busy medical student so I can't spend time driving everywhere to meet up with people, plus my schedule is always hectic.
That being said, if you want to delid your cpu and you're near by send me a PM and we can talk about meeting up.

PS. I don't really want to do the whole you mail me your chip and I mail it back thing. I should also mention this is a at your own risk service, there shouldn't be any issue, but I'm not responsible if something happens to your CPU.

 

I saw something pretty cool on one of the overclocking websites, can't remember which one, but basically this guy with a Rockit (or similar delid tool) decided he was gonna mail his tool to other forum members if they wanted it. All they needed to do was pay postage to the next person in the chain (I think). He created a thread for it, and listed all the members who were in the chain that expressed interest, and then the users reported when they received it & when they mailed it to the next person (as well as how the temperature results of the delid went), the original poster also created a map & drew on it the path of the delid tool. It was pretty cool that one delid tool was being used all over the world (or was it just the USA), it was great to see, makes me feel guilty about having my own delid tool sitting in my drawer - at least it's not an absolute virgin though!

(once the chain was done, he wanted the last person to mail it back to him).

 

Well I am seeing frame drops but I do not believe its from a bottleneck, I believe as mr. fox said because my gpu tems are running above 50 so it cant keep a consistaint boost my cpu barely go above 75 in just about every bench I put them through but I am running a pretty heavy oc for a i5 3.5 ghz I'm running 4737 ghz so 1.237 ghz over stock clock

 

Yeah I saw something like that too on H I believe. I thought about doing that, but I would also like to have the tools available for me/my friends to use. Maybe I'm just greedy I suppose.

 

well that's a really cool idea but what isn't said in that group is how many people don't send it back ect. me personally I would never give anyone anything I wasn't willing to loose

 

Yes, quite the beast desktop. I am truly envious of it. My desktop is going to seem like an Ultrabook now in comparison, LOL.

Well, it is boxed up and ready, but based on shipping costs I think he is going to want to go with FedEx ground, which should put it there the day after Christmas. The kicker on the ludicrous cost is how heavy this monster is. The computer box weighs 81 pounds. (Just the empty Thermaltake View 71 case is over 50 pounds all by itself.) The box with accessories weighs another 20 pounds, so a total of 101 pounds.

To ship it FedEx Ground from West Coast to East Coast is just under $340. The next fastest way gets it there by Friday but is almost $900, LOL. Ludicrous. And, that's the cheapest option. UPS is even more expensive. USPS might have been a little less, but their weight limit is 70 pounds. I will schedule the pickup with FedEx as soon as he wakes up and reads his email. Mr. Sandman is calling me now... 1:00 AM here.

 

Boys and girls. Some of of you who want to see (3 year + 8 months old) Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra from 20 April 2014? I have now started open up my Alienware 17 the "last decent/normal" 17,3 inches laptop from Alienware's factories. Everywhone of you know very well how it went with Dellienware. Down the drain with a BIG BANG. As the ship!!


The Liquid metal was brittle and not liquid anymore. But damn... This 4930MX has run flawless in near 4 year with same Liquid Ultra. I tested Cinebench R15 with 841cb with 4.2GHz and 85C before I open up (+85w in bench). Amazing this is possible with destroyed LM and the tiny tiny cpu HS (2 heatpipes vs. 3 for AW18)

Spoiler: Near 4 years old Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra come up in the light :)

Has started collecting brittle Liquid metal.

 

I would definitely go with 7700K. It's an excellent 4C/8T CPU and it will run circles around the 7600K. I do not have a use for the i5, but I sincerely appreciate you asking. You should check to verify your ASUS board has a BIOS update for KBL first.

 

Wow, already nearly 4 years have past. That went by so fast. And, the CLU held up extremely well. Great info.

It is really sad that Alienware doesn't make excellent products like that any more.

 

Yeah the years go/fly very fast, bro Fox. Next spring and this machine will pass 5 year. I bought the AW17 early 2013, before I start to post in the forum.

With new Liquid metal will this chips probably have 3-4 more years in front of it. And it run faster than most of the new modern BGA junk from Intels Mobile tragedy lineup.

BTW. Talk about the sun... The new trash is around the corner Intel Core i7-8720HQ Mobile Six-core Processor Spotted in the Wild

 

They always sent it on to the next person in the chain, it was only when the chain had finished that it was to be sent back to the original purchaser. Last time I checked it had gone through about 20 users already, that's pretty cool I reckon.

 

Wow, that's a lot of added cost for the dude, well he gets your expertise! Ha, yeah, an 8700K and just one 1080ti is humble in comparison, but where are you gonna stop, there's always something bigger & faster out there unless you commit to spending probably 10's of thousands of dollars every year or so or something!

 

I put liquid metal (CLU) on my GPU just before the Summer, I'm hoping it will last me for the life of the GPU & that I'll never have to open it up again. I can't see myself keeping the GPU for longer than 4 yrs from now, maybe 3, I might upgrade to the next architecture after Volta. Praps it doesn't matter if the liquid metal dries out, it's conductive metal afterall, so perhaps the dryness doesn't affect the heat transfer? Do you think it dries out faster when the chip reaches higher temperatures (like in laptops)? My GPU doesn't go over 70 degC, so hoping the liquid metal will love long time!

 

The fit determine the end results. Good contact between die and HS is everything. The weird/strange is that even old brittle Liquid metal even work well, LOL

 

With courtesy of Indigo® (alt+ 0174 for registered sym stuff) product page, and assuming that every LM stuff is composed mainly by Indium®,
we can suppose the above formula is useful for all liquid metal thermal compound.

So Prime95's 3 to 15 minutes at 85°c is supposed to be the "cure time" to be not liquid anymore.

Obviously I'd already run it enough time to see if this a valid theory, I'll check it on CPU in a couple of hours (I'm going to change my gtx1080's thermalPads) attaching here pics or/and impression of this.

 

Sounds like my GPU will be OK, it sits super flat on the silicon die by the looks of the paste when I took it apart before applying liquid metal - sounds like I'll be able to leave my GPU alone for the rest of it's life!

 

Interesting, but I'm not sure it's the same thing. Those metal pads start off 'solid' don't they, then flow into liquid at the 'reflow' points shown in the graphs you displayed, and then I guess go solid on cooling. Whereas the liquid metal thermal paste starts off as liquid-like and as far as I know stays as liquid until it drys out after years - my guess is temperatures over 80 degC for extended periods of time would accelerate the drying process - just going off what Thermal Grizzly say about their Kryonaut paste (albeit that's not a metal paste). I think liquid metal paste is different to those metal pads though that you talked about, not sure the same reasoning applies.

 

Team @Prema is climbing the ranks fast at HWBOT. I like that every individual contributes something to the good of the entire team.

I finally got this personal achievement on the bot. http://hwbot.org/achievement/20906_

 

Congratulations brother!

If anyone is serious about actively joining the Team, they can request an invite from one of the captains @Mr. Fox or @Johnksss .

 

This is quite cool, I ran Furmark Benchmark just to see what happens when my power TDP is maxed out on my card. My Zotac GTX 1070 AMP Edition has a very high 220W power limit which you can extend even further to 120% using Afterburner or whatever program. So, I set it to 120% TDP and my max stable overclock with no added voltage, while setting a very aggressive manual fan curve & ran the benchmark. Here's the result, my GTX 1070 scored the same as an "Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080 OC 8GB" that had had it's power limit increased to 120%! Here's the pic, mine scored 7132 points in the 1080p benchmark while stabilising at 71 degC (I also ran another run where I just let the test run for 10mins, and temps also stabalised at 71 degC and 250W GPU average power draw according to HWInfo64, 265W Peak):


I'm quite impressed with the temperatures & unrestrained power limits on this particular GTX 1070, such that it can compete (in Furmark) with an ASUS ROG Strix GTX 1080 OC which had it's power limit increased to 120% too. My GPU was drawing more power than the miserly 216W of the GTX 1080. Here's the article at Geeks3D where they Furmark test the heavily overclocked aftermarket GTX 1080 (it's got a massive base clock of 1784Mhz for God's sake!):
http://www.geeks3d.com/20160707/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-oc-8gb-gddr5x-review/

Can't believe my GTX 1070 gets the same score, it's all because the power limit is insane on this Zotac GTX 1070 AMP Edition! I'm not gonna run Furmark very often, praps never again, it feels like torture for my card!

Have you guys tried Furmark on your Pascal GPUs? I'm not sure I recommend it, I never used to recommend it, I normally de-recommend it, but I just couldn't help myself this one time! (Possibly not good for your VRM's, they might get a little hot, set max fan speed!)

 

heres mine

 

does anyone know of a aio I can use on this asus gtx 1080 turbo? ekwb dosnt have one and from what I have seen / heard its not a refrence pcb witch is a shame I swore it was

 

You may have a truly extraordinary 1070, but it could have something to do with code in NVIDIA's vBIOS that levels the playing field running Furmark because it can actually destroy a GPU. @Prema has spoken about this in the past. The vBIOS is potentially limiting a 1080 and/or 1070 to a certain threshold to keep people from frying their graphics cards. A more meaningful performance comparison would be to use Fire Strike, Sky Diver or 3DMark 11. @Robbo99999 I think recommending people avoid Furmark (especially the stress or burn-in test) is a good idea. The benchmark might be OK since it is short, but probably still best to suggest something else that has never been known to kill GPUs.

 

Maybe check Bitspower or NZXT web sites. If not an AIO, perhaps a nice full GPU water block and an affordable kit.

The main reasons I selected the EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 iCX are (1) EVGA is awesome and super easy to work with on warranty issues; (2) The SC2 is a reference-compatible model where an AIO is concerned (it fits); (3) the iCX sensors are a unique value-added feature that allows better monitoring while overclocking and most GPUs don't have them; and, (4) a more aggressive non-reference GPU that overclocks better, but throttles worse when air cooled doesn't really do anyone any kind of favor. (It ends up being slower using air cooling because Pascal firmware starts throttling the core clock too much as early as 50°C.)

 

Not a fan of FurMark myself but;

 

Yes, I don't recommend running Furmark, I just couldn't help myself though because nothing else pushes close to the TDP limits of my Zotac GTX 1070 AMP Edition, so I wanted to see what the cooling and score would be when running at the TDP limit. I'm gonna uninstall it now. I don't think NVidia are limiting was is happening with the GTX 1080 I compared my card against beyond stipulating max TDP in the vBIOS, because Tanware's GTX 1080ti gets a 38% higher score than me whereas I equalled that overclocked GTX 1080 score - Furmark is just bumping up against each of the card's TDP limits I reckon, it is on mine certainly. My GTX 1070 has more allowable TDP than quite a few GTX 1080's, so I think that's why mine can level with them. (I suppose the theory could be tested by users with GTX 1080's and GTX 1080ti's running Furmark & using GPUz and HWInfo64 to see what TDP the cards are running at and what the limit reasons are in GPUz. Mine was limit reason Pwr and HWInfo showed Peak 265W which equals the max allowable TDP of my card exactly - 220W x 1.20)

Cool, that's at a significantly lower resolution though, 1280x720 rather than the 1920x1080 that I run it at, but I appreciate that you don't have a 1080p monitor, so that's why.

Nice, good score, expected that one (GTX 1080ti) to significantly beat mine.

That's the end of my Furmark experimentation now, just curious to see what would happen to my card (temperatures, clocks, score) when bumping up against TDP limit.

 

Nope none of them make it I'm thinking of just modding the case take off the heatsink and running a evga hybrid cooler that way it will still be like the evga hybrid

 

yeah I'm headed home here in a few days ill post benchmarks on 1080 when I get home should be home the 24th-25th

 

The GTX 1080 TI is a monster. It just destroys everything.

 

@Mr. Fox @Johnksss
If you think I'm suitable I'd like to join with other best OCes peeps around here

 

We would be honored. Info sent.

 

It is truly amazing.

 

I tried out 4.1 GHz @1.425 and it seemed fine. It scares me going that high for long though so back to daily driver at 4.0 GHz @1.375.