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Yeah, I agree, I've taken that approach with how I've set my fans up. When I first had my desktop I ran everything at max RPM pretty much, but it was noisy - sacrificing some RPM, generally running them at 75% speed max is close to silent and you don't forgo much cooling performance, diminishing returns for cooling the faster you spin your fans. I took this approach with CPU/GPU & case fans. I also replaced all my case fans with Noctua 120mm & 140mm versions, and they push a lot of air at low sound volume with good static pressure (case fan intake is quite restricted on my case).

Wo, now that's some noise, tooooo much!

Ha, yep, I appreciate that, you're going after maximum performance, benching etc, and headphones when gaming can probably cover up most of the noise.

 

Exactly. Plus, I have grown numb to noise over the years. I have spent most of my life in an auto repair/collision repair/drag racing/firearms/gaming/overclocking environment using all sorts of power tools and listening to heavy metal, LOL. I am nowhere near deaf yet, (thankfully,) but noise has always been part of my life. Without at least some noise going on it just does not feel right and silence is often disorienting.

 

See the video in my link

You don't have to sacrificing too much performance. The fan for you is right here from the posted review. Running as you prefer 75% speed. I'm sure you can handle 45.3 vs. 43.3db

 

Ha, 45 & 43db! My fans don't make anywhere near a fraction of that amount of noise, they max out at about 19db only, and that's at 100% fan speed, I run them at 75%.

Case Fans (run from 40-75% variable fan curve related to CPU temperature):
https://noctua.at/en/nf-a14-flx/specification
https://noctua.at/en/nf-s12b-redux-1200-pwm/specification
CPU Fans on Noctua NH-D14 cooler (fixed low RPM using ULNA adapter - 900rpm):
https://noctua.at/en/nf-p14-flx/specification
https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-p12/specification
I run the CPU fans on ULNA adapter, you can see from specs page it only makes 13db noise with that.

Basically silent man! ;-)

EDIT: those noise specs are in free air, not when attached to radiator (which would be higher). But, the only fans attached to a radiator are my CPU fans, and I can't hear my CPU fans at all since I switched over to the ULNA adapter. Case fans are not attached to radiator, and I have cut out all exhaust grills, so case fan noise specs are gonna reflect reality quite closely I imagine.

 

Yeah, those fans running with the ULNA adapter wouldn't do much on a water cooling setup. Or to propely cool a oc'd [email protected] or 5.2GHz. And not to mention [email protected] or 5.0GHz. All up to what you have in your setup

 

That's one reason why I'm not a fan of water cooling setups (although next build may include water cooled GPU), increased noise potentially when trying to force air through tight radiator grills rather than the more open fins of a heatpipe cooler (but need massive NH-D14/D15 cpu cooler to make air cooling work with high performance & low noise). My 6700K is already at it's OC limits unless I'm willing to put more than 1.4V through it, and my Prime 95 temps are only in the low 60's with the ULNA adapter and a 120W load, temperatures increased about 5 degC when switching to ULNA adapter (from memory), so fairly certain it could cool a 1.45V or 1.5V CPU if I was willing to put more volts through it (1.45V will not stabalise my CPU at 4.8Ghz). But either way, I don't need more fan RPM on any of my fans, it's basically noise & performance optimised at this point, as you can see from the descriptions & specs in my previous post.

 

Well guys it's official im really sad and I f#! $ing hate people, lastnight I went to my in laws to do the Christmas thing, come home this morning and someone broke into my house and stole everything, all my Christmas presents for everyone all my computers and computer components a few of my guns I had out ect they f! $#ing took everything so all I can say is sorry to thoes I promised parts too I don't even have a computer atm I'm on my phone and to the thief doubtful you'll ever read this but what kinda pos steals EVERYTHING RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS your mom must be so proud eat s#!t and I hope you choke on the box of chocolate covered cherries I got for my wife

 

Damn man sorry to hear that. Where do you live? Keep an eye out on craigslist, ebay, etc.

Charlie

 

Norther

Northern idaho about 30 min from the Canadian boarder

 

Nice! I love that area. You'll certainly have a white Christmas if things go as usual. I have family in Bonner's Ferry and McCall. Beautiful place. It's too bad scum bags that steal stuff live in beautiful places, too. You should form a vigilante posse, go find your stuff and fix it so they can't/won't ever be able steal anything from anyone ever again.

Here's this...

 

So far 4.1 GHz @ 1.445 Vcore;

 

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Oh man, that sucks! thought the same thing when I was leaving my place yesterday, a few people hanging around outside, and I'm thinking are they seeing who leaves and who stays! I pray my stuff is still there when I return! I too am typing this on a phone for the first time, but to best of my knowledge my hardware is still tucked up safe & sound at home - touch wood!

 

Happy Holidays Everyone!

 

4.0 ghz Ryzen 1700x

 

AIDA64 Read | MaxMEMM: http://hwbot.org/submission/3745814_| http://hwbot.org/submission/3745818_ | http://hwbot.org/submission/3745812_

3DMark 11 Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12572330

3DMark 11: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12572289

 

http://www.provantage.com/intel-cm8068403358220~7ITEP5XU.htm

OEM/Tray 8700K $350.44 with no taxes. I've purchashed thousands of dollars worth of toys from this company with zero issue. Usually ships same day and fast shipping.

 

I have ordered from them in the past as well.

 

Seems the EVGA card is better than my Asus one;
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12572733

A little better;
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12573154

 

That is a great price.

 

Fox, great set of speakers you have there. I went with those on my build as well. Thought about adding a second RX 580 to my rig, and crossfire them, but for some reason the card I purchased went up $160 on newegg. In fact many of the 580's have gone up quite a bit. I wonder why that is? Christmas being over maybe?

 

Please don't make the mistake of trying to SLI/CrossFire midrange cards, you're gonna severely regret it. @D2 Ultima would definitely concur haha.

 

Honestly I would not even consider crossfire on the whole until you can mix and match profiles like you can with nVidia

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There, I fixed that for you. AMD is still a joke when it comes to GPUs and in terms of CPU overclocking. Their GPUs have pretty much sucked since they ruined the ATI brand. Their pre-Zen CPUs used to overclock nicely, but they were gutless wonders. Now it flipped the other direction and they are powerful for a stock CPU option that sucks at overclocking.

 

For those that have one of these nifty ports on their newer desktop motherboard and haven't figured out what it is or how to use it, I can save you the hassle. It's a header for another 10GB/s USB Gen2 Type C port. I bought a cable for it. Haven't figured out where I am going to mount it yet, but will probably use a PCI slot blank so I will have an extra Type C port in back to compliment the single Type C port on the I/O panel.

Spoiler: Pics and stuff

@Johnksss
@Talon

 

Haha crossfire is AMD only so I guess you meant to remove that xD

Unless you used strikethrough and I can't see it. You might be interested in Zen 2 if they deliver, as it should both have an IPC boost and clock a lot higher. I uhh.... personally think they won't deliver but oh well. Can hope

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I think they will. Intel's 10nm+ versus IBM process for 7nm. It all matters if yields are there.

 

What bothers me is that AMD *clearly* doesn't know how to make a good product in my eyes. They only get lucky now and then and get instantly complacent

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Right. I did strike through crossfire, since it is just two crippled AMD GPUs instead of one. 100% more money for each GPU that runs like an ordinary 1080 and doesn't overclock worth a damn, LOL.

They're OK (current generation) if you want something comparatively inexpensive and don't plan to overclock it. But, their pre-Zen CPUs were trash and haven't been worth owning since the Pentium 4 days many moons ago. I refuse to purchase any CPU or GPU that doesn't overclock well. Those products are as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

GPUs are flat until 7nm multi-die. I'm unimpressed with Volta. Die shrink and 40% larger die and that is what you get? No real changes, just Maxwell part 3.

 

(Mainly larger die due to inclusion of HBM on die)

 

Nothing special has happened in GPUs since 10-series was introduced, and the Green Goblin had to ruin it with Falcon security cancer, castrated vBIOS rubbish and room-temperature "thermal throttling" nonsense.

 

Actually the Vega chips overclock well enough if you tune voltage down, interestingly enough. 1645MHz over the mid-1400s is plenty, and a bigger overclock percentage than Nvidia gets. But the performance... eh. I dunno. Too inconsistent

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1645Mhz with an overclock is antique Maxwell-grade GPU performance. That's an absolute joke with most NVIDIA GPUs handling ~2000MHz with default voltage.

 

1911MHz stock to 2113MHz is less of an overclock than 1446 to 1645 though. In terms of percentage. I'd take a 1500MHz GPU if it beats a 2500MHz GPU any day, the raw performance is everything to me. But as I said the performance of Vega is... eh. But it DOES overclock further than Nvidia does percentage wise

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That may be on a percentage basis, but that doesn't win any speed contests. Kind of like the road to hell being paved with good intentions. The effort might be admirable, but only actual results deserve to be rewarded. I haven't noticed any AMD video cards winning on overclocked benchmark leaderboards. At least not yet anyway. Just like the 7970M back in "good old days" - second fiddle with nice stock performance that rivals the NVIDIOTS' best option but no potential to achieve anything beyond that. I hate that. Flash a modded vBIOS and you have an instant death punch to Team Red and their overclock-deficient GPU trash.

 

For consumer Volta, that remains to be seen, but GV100 isn't "Maxwell 3" architecture wise.

Exactly, Vega's performance scaling is a real head-scratcher. Looking at Vega 64 for example, I still don't get how it has 60% higher clocks/FLOPS than Fury X, but is only 30% faster? You'd expect pretty linear performance increase with clocks if the architecture is scaling up as intended (as seen with Pascal vs. Maxwell 2), but Vega is hitting some other internal bottleneck. Is it the lower memory bandwidth? Or being ROP-bound again? Vega still has 64 ROPs like Fiji, which was suspected of being ROP-bound back in the day as well.

 

Well that's what I said, the performance is the issue xD

As long as they keep attempting to get GCN to add more and run faster they'll never win

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Here is the thing, a different arch with higher ipc, but lower speed, can win. Just there isn't that on the market currently. What are Volta oc speeds? I think the titan XV is slower than Pascal

 

That's all well and good. But, if and when it does happen, winning with plain vanilla stock crap that sucks at overclocking is still going to end up blowing at the end of the day. No point in owning a belly button PC that runs the same for an overclocking nut as a bubblegum gamer boy... totally pointless. Without overclocking and achieving something the masses do not know how to do, none of this stuff interests me in the slightest. Having something ordinary is like watching paint dry. If all I were going to do is play games, I'd spend a few hundred bucks on a console and call it good enough.

 

I guess this post was too boring, LOL. Or, maybe it just got lost in the AMD GPU back-and-forth dialogue.

 

Sorry but sucks at overclocking to me means no over clock at all. being at 4.1 on all cores is a 20% overclock over 3.4. I can remember quite a few Intel CPU's that would get no where near that. It is more that the newer Intel chips just hit amazing speeds. AMD systems are good solid fast systems, they just do not have that amazing factor that unless you know what to look for you may not even notice the difference.

 

The 20% overclock isn't so much the part that sucks to me as much as the disappointingly low starting and end points for clock speeds. If that 20% increase put it at 4.5GHz or 4.7GHz, there would be nothing to complain about. I'd pretty much expect the stock boost clock to be at least 4.1GHz on all cores in 2017. I was running higher than 4.1GHz back in 2011-2012 and even some of the less pathetic BGA turdbooks can run that fast (on fewer cores, of course). I ran my 4960X at 4.7GHz, the 7940X for @Trafficante at 4.7GHz and I really don't understand why a Threadripper cannot easily handle at least 4.5GHz. I really wish that it would. The old saying "Clock is King" still holds true unless something is wrong with the underlying architecture. That doesn't mean that I feel that the product is horrible, only that it doesn't meet my expectations based on how I would intend to use it. I think all of the new AMD CPUs are good products overall, just not good for me.

 

Threadripper was a luck of draw. How can we expect high CPU overclocking and finally compete with Intel if AMD will continue in same road? You can't expect... from AMD.


They will continue be last... Both with their Cpu's and graphics.

 

You have to remember the 4960 was 4th generation and the 79 was 7th gen. Ryzen is still in its 1st gen so it has a long way to go. Yes it would have been nice to have faster clocks out of the gate but it is amazing for what it is. It is much better to have a great base chip to develop further that the POS of bulldozer at even 6 GHz.

I do not think AMD realized Intel had the clock speeds in the bank for its current silicon. My guess though Intel having to cash that in has cost them in premium pricing and made the move to 10nm not worth it. Not too sure though there is much left in the bank if AMD starts getting the processes in gear.

The sad point, for me, is where is the upgrade path on the map for TR? Now that the 7980xe is there to rain on the TR's why can we not hear of a 12nm or better yet 7nm TR based on Zen2 for TR on the roadmap? It would be nice to look at the end of 2020 for a Zen2 based TR upgrade.

 

I agree with you on most of that. Especially the bulldozer faildozer CPU part. I'm somewhere between being happy and sad. I want Intel and NVIDIA to squirm in their boots and lose lots of sleep over AMD chewing at their ankles, and I am very happy for the improvements AMD has made in their latest CPU architecture. It is a huge improvement from where they were. But, unless they pull ahead and hold their position as the high performance/overclocking leaders and produce better results than their competition are capable of producing, I will continue to buy from Intel and NVIDIA simply because of where my interests reside. I'm not into this hobby as an outlet for demonstrating goodwill toward the underdog, even though I am rooting for the underdog.

 

Amd just have to forget try to being the clockspeed/performance King (neither for Cpu's or Graphics). They will lose. Can't change how they think over night... And Intel won't sit down and do nothing, if this is what people think. AMD have to work on what they are good in... Offer seconda to a lower price. If they can come nearer Intels performance, this will be nice. But do not have too big hopes... That they will offer the next performance king in mainstream or HEDT the next decade. Nothing have really changed dramaticly from before.

The Bigger battles between Intel and AMD will most likely come in the low end (jokebooks). Same as before.
Increased graphics (see Mobile processors). This is AMD's big opportunity for the next years who coming. + licence money from Intel. AMD won't die. We will see more laptops with only Cpu's.

 

As overclocking hobby only Intel is the way to go, for now. I hold many more primary interests, over the overclocking hobby, to ignore AMD offerings. Just have to love the multitasking power of the TR's at a reasonable price point. Everyone has to realize too if it were not for Ryzen you would have never seen the new silicon and chipset etc. allowing for such insane overclocks and at such reduced prices. In the end all you overclocker's out there owe a huge thank you out to AMD!

Most non overclockers do not realize a 1800x system with a 1080TI is probably a better gamer than an Intel multicore with a 1080 or worse, 1070/1060, at the same price point.

 

And we hope they succeed with the next gen as well The more, the better.