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What Voltage and Clocks you running did you adjust the Infinity Fabric Speed?

 

Hummm, I don't have 418.81, but am testing 425.31 right now. And that driver seems to hit just under 29K, but then my machine powers off and reboots on runs that start off better so I don't know.

 

So far all of my best benchmark runs have been using 425.31. Sounds like you're seeing the same thing that I have. I never had trouble with the 7960X causing the system to shut down/reboot like it does with the 7980XE. @Rage Set had the same issue with that as well, so I think the 7980XE overclocked at ~100% is possibly exhausting the power handling capacity of the X299 Dark when it's not running on extreme cooling (i.e. higher voltage and more power draw happening at above-zero temperatures).

I have seen almost 1200W in Cinebench at 5.2GHz with the 7980XE. It seems that the shut down/reboot is more often when the GPU is involved though. Like Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 is almost always (probably 75% of the time) with the Combined Test, and right on the heels of the Physics Test. I recently noticed when that happens the VRM components between the CPU and heat sink, and the capacitors near the VRM fans are physically hot to the touch. Not burn me bad hot, but not very comfortable hot. It also seems to possibly happen more often when the RAM is really straining its milk (like my 4000 CL14 @ 1.6V) and perhaps overloading the CPU's memory controller.

 

This does seem to make a lot of sense. And when i have crappy Aida64 runs I know I will have crappy benchmark scores later. So something with the memory also seems to play a heavy roll.

 

I concur. If I supplied more than 1.5v to the RAM and all other factors being equal (high OC on CPU/GPU), I got the instant reboot. Perhaps the board is trying to save itself when extreme cooling isn't disabled.

 

See my submission here: https://hwbot.org/submission/4308294_

Now I was doing a manual OC. I turned off PBO and other AMD specific "auto OC" functionality. 3800 on the memory is my sweet spot but I'm still working on 4000 with tight timings. Memory is the key to breaking that 15k barrier.

Note: I got higher than 15250 without Benchmate, but that no longer counts on the bot.

 

@Mr. Fox

Well, it's probably not the driver as you mentioned.
So not sure at this point.

I get that now when trying to run 4200 Mhz
I tried that setting on and off. Didn't notice anything, but then maybe one needs to be below -30 to find out....

Very nice indeed. What happens when you try to run the bench again? Do your scores stay the same or do they change?

 

I run Windows 10 Lite Plus from Oprekin most of the Bloatware junk removed gives a nice boost in Cinebench I find, less junk running... you could give that a try to boost your leaderboard score to if you would like.

 

Can you show us a few benchmarks ran with this 16 dollar donation OS please?

 

you dont need to pay 16 dollars go to one of the older versions 1903.449 or 1909.657 should be Google Drive Links at the bottom of the Page. I don't think I have any images of a Direct Comparison Between Stock Windows on the Lite/Lite Plus versions he offers.

 

Direct Links if your interested
1909.657 Lite - https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1OUNHPKuOZ3FteFxE5XJKPdBGIahveNPU&export=download
1909.535 Lite Plus - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LmUPLiyIE8lmqhF14JPMtRYrKd19h37r

 

Before I download this... Are you sure you are authorized to share these google links?

And don't need direct comparisons only some benchmarks you ran personally.

 

Authorized to share they are free to public so I would assume so from his website you go through 3 different Captchas with tons of Ads so I figured its less hassle for you guys just to have direct links. Any benchmarks I've posted here or have on 3DMark are run on Lite Plus been running it for almost a year without any issues. I'm not a Fanatic Benchmarker just for fun on new hardware once and then I keep that OC for as long as I own said hardware. Heres some links to my 3D Mark Scores.
https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/night+raid+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0 Rank 88
https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/cloud+gate+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.1 Rank 80
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17347801 and https://www.3dmark.com/fs/20452158
And the Cinebench Score 14.6K at 4.3GHz on a TR 3960X where @Rage Set was getting 15.1K on 44.75. If I pushed up that far I would prob hit a higher score with this OS I may try later.

 

Good deal! As we kind of take issue with folks sharing links they are not suppose to share without the owners consent.

Nice scores.

Also, you are in the right place to improve on your scores!

 

Completely understandable hence why like you said earlier the newest version he has shared is for donators only which is why I didnt share that link. Curious to see if you guys get an improved score with this version of Windows. Some things still may need tweaked but not as much as stock Windows thats for sure.

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Will give it a try in the near future, that's for sure.

Im curious as well. As quite a few folks in here have streamedline installs as well, but would still need one for Windows 7 though. (Unless you already have it) I think some of your scores would be far higher just running that OS.

 

I went back to our old replies on too low Cpu performance. See here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-626#post-10934165

Was those benches done with the modded Windows builds from Oprekin? From what I understand from your posts, you have used it the last year. My links is from July last year. Thanks

 

What are your RAM settings with that run with the 29K score? I have found 3DMark 11 is very RAM speed-hungry and it shows primarily in the Physics and Combined Tests (not much or at all in the others). I have also found certain Windows 7 updates can affect this. If the wrong updates are installed, that 29K Physics score can quickly degrade to a 25K score, just like the Windoze OS X abortion. Interesting what you noted about AIDA64 as well. I have not been able to figure out what the deal is, but if my 3DMark 11 or Fire Strike, or AIDA64, benchmarks are sucky, closing the benchmark and opening it again will sometimes fix the issue. Other times a reboot will fix it. The Fire Strike Physics and Combined tests can be even more buggy than 3DMark 11. If the Fire Strike Physics test doesn't launch at around 145 FPS and the Combined test doesn't start out around 80-85 FPS, you may as well just hit escape and end it right there because the score is going to totally suck.

I can run 4200 on the RAM without issues (but it's 4000 RAM already and not much of an overclock). If you look in the BIOS on the RAM page notes when you move to the field for memory voltage, it states:

• Memory Voltage: DDR4-3600+ MHz may require 1.450+ V for memory.

I have found that to be accurate, even when using the XMP-4000 CL19 profile. The stock 1.350V is for the XMP profile, but it works a lot better with 1.450V. When running 4200 with tighter timings, 1.450V is not nearly enough. These Corsair RAM sticks love voltage. They like 1.600V to 1.650V and runs notably better with the higher voltage. My AIDA64 memory benchmark scores go up as the voltage goes above 1.500V on the RAM. If I try to boot 4200 with less than about 1.550V I usually get the "FF" code or one or more of the white LED lights next to the RAM slots turn red and the system won't boot at all because the voltage is too low. It is also worth noting that EVGA says 1.600V is within the "normal" range. I've had some people comment that running the memory voltage that high scares them, but it shouldn't from what I can see.

I can boot at 4400 with 1.600V and all the timing set to "Auto" but I have errors loading Windows. The Boot Manager usually cannot find the \Windows\system32\winload.efi file, and when it does I generally get a "Memory Management" bugcheck code. No amount of voltage or timing tweaks I have found will make 4400 usable.

 

In the picture below.


I have noticed those notes, but never really gave them a second thought as I jump right to 1.5V@4000 Mhz. I think it's possible to run higher over clocks with using on 2 sticks, but 3dmark11 wants 4 slots filled.

I just booted 4200 and it ran 3D11 1 times before cutting out.29K, but after that bench kept exiting out. So voltage related, but not a hard lock voltage issue. That was [email protected]. I'll have to go back and see why that is. Normally it's errors all over the place and wont boot windows.

 

See if either of these will work for you. They won't necessarily pass memory stability tests, but they're usually benchable. Sometimes not with Time Spy, but usually for most other things (for me anyway). Same settings were more stable with the 7960X. Maybe the memory controller was a little stronger on that CPU. But, they do work for my 7980XE as well.


Ignore the voltage value on this one. I forgot to change it to 1.550V or 1.600V before taking the screenshot. (The 1T command rate needs 1.650V, 2T does OK with 1.600V or less.)

 

Another thing that also works pretty well for me. Set XMP, then change the speed to 4200. Change the voltage to 1.600V. Then change everything else below that to "Auto" (zero), and let the BIOS train it. If I leave it set to "Manual" it sometimes doesn't work as well as XMP and then manually overriding everything else. Not sure if selecting XMP triggers other changes behind the scenes, like memory training changes, or what. Just an interesting observation for which I do not have a technical explanation for, LOL.

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Edit: Here are some more BIOS screenshots from my thumb drive that work pretty well with these sticks.

 

Yes correct however the benchmarks that show my 9900K was with my first one and that chip was horrible like 1.33v for 5GHz i eventually broke it by direct die and sanding the die down to far. I bought a second one at it did 5GHz at 1.245v but i also swapped from the Evolv X case to the Cerberus X and sold my Dual 360mm rads and picked up a single 240mm so didnt attempt benchmarking it tho I should have. Anything ive run from my P870KM onward is on the Oprekin builds. I dont think its the OS fault for a low score I think it was just a horrible chip. I eventually broke the 2nd 9900k by sanding it to far down as well. Wish I had benched it tho.

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RAM Timings should be stock in those Runs 3200MHz CL16. I dont think I tried changing ram timings till after my 3D Mark Scores. My ram on my 2nd 9900K is 1.5v 3200MHz CL14. But its back to stock 3200MHz CL16 1.35v on my threadripper at the moment.

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Hopefully, @EricSimonSPT comes in this thread to showcase his build. I won't spoil it though.

 

I think the points have fully transitioned over! 48th! +4

We're nicking at the heals of 47 and 46...we've got this ...

 

Welcome to the team But the +4 was for the whole monht And all points is welcomed

 

Super glad you joined us. I emailed @Prema and he is as well. As Brother @Papusan said, all points are welcome. And, all friends are welcome, even with no points that follow. Brother @Blacky also just joined and his notebook review team will be uploading results soon.

Brother @Johnksss the RAM settings that work for you seem to cause me some issues on these sticks. Probably just one of the values is off from what they want, (probably the tRP is too low,) but my CL14 settings still work. And, the CPU settings are totally 3DMark 11 and Vantage stable.

 

Hopefully I can rejoin the fun. Waiting on a few things to be in stock and/or get to me.

 

Sounds exciting. Anything special or secret weapons, or just some random parts.

 

Yeah, I can't run yours as of yet. Everything seems to just exit out. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! LOL

 

Oh well not a big deal... It's for fun anyways. Thanks for the welcome.

That's great. (open door policy)

Looking forward to it...

 

@Mr. Fox
So much seems to get done after we have our little chats.

Side note:
I go to submit certain scores and my originals pop up out of nowhere.

 

Indeed. We can be outright dangerous when we put our noggins together.

Yeah, the 'BOT is kind of a mess. Been having some side discussions with Brother @Papusan about that very thing. Seems like SO MANY things are messed up or broken in the tech world right now. They're just one of the symptoms. Seems like they never heard of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" over in their part of the world.

 

The whole bot ranking system is messed up.

This is one of several I have cleaned up today. The bot want me to be on 2nd with subsequent lower points and less gold.



But my score is for 1th place. I had to go back and delete my second submission for X265.


Once this was done this... My 1th place come back from nowhere for X265 and gave the correct points and the missing Gold

 

@Mr. Fox @Johnksss @Papusan @Rage Set Heres a Side by Side Comparison of a Cinebench Run on Lite Plus vs Lite from Oprekin 50 Points gain from a minimal OS Change can only imagine what the difference is from stock Windows.

 

No point in fight with the bot mess.



The scores will come and go.

I would run 10 bench of each. Have seen Threadripper put out different scores as you bench it in a row. 50 points of +14500 ain't much. Thanks for the testing. +rep

 

This one at 5.1GHz is just 15 points shy of my personal best at 5.2GHz.

Based on core/thread count, this works out to around 333 points per thread (18C/36T).
Compared with TR 3960X (24C/48T) averaging around 15.1K at its typical max overclock in the 4.5GHz range (without sub-zero cooling) that works out to ~315 points per thread.

With all of the media hype around Threadripper setting new records, I wonder why we don't see any observations like this? (OK, yeah... I know why... just saying, LOL.)

 

Yes, that can definitely make a measurable difference. Windows 10 is just chock full of worthless bloat when left to its own devices. Nothing short of appalling from my view. That is why using LTSC is the best approach. It doesn't really need any modding because it doesn't have anywhere near the level of bloat/filth as Pro and Home, or regular Enterprise.

Windows 10 LTSC and Windows 8.X and Windows 7 also have more bloat than they need. You should use ESO with your modded Windoze OS X to disable more garbage services and see how much higher the score goes. If you haven't tried that yet, the improvement might be even more remarkable.

https://www.sordum.org/8637/easy-service-optimizer-v1-2/

Here's how much worthless trash I have shut down for benching.

 

Two new gold from the wimpy 12.5 inch joke

https://hwbot.org/submission/4357907_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_core_i3_3120m_23min_34sec_218ms



https://hwbot.org/submission/4357876_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___100m_core_i3_3120m_1min_37sec_331ms

 

Missing alot of what you have. Alot is either missing or already disabled by default no work needed

 

I am sure your modded ISO is a major improvement over stock, but I wouldn't assume that it leaves no room for improvement. What you see in my Services list is a portable app with a config file containing services that span all OSes in a quad-boot system (W7, W10 Pro Lite, W10 Enterprise 1909 and W10 Enterprise). So, there will be some that are not applicable and my list in ESO is longer than normal for that reason. I'm sure if you take the time to look you will find a substantial amount of worthless bloat, even with your modded ISO. My W10 Pro Lite is much lighter (similar to LTSC) but there is still lots of trash gumming up the works.

Tip: If you are only going with the default list in ESO, there are generally a lot of missing services that can be disabled that are not listed by default. You have to add some to the list in ESO before you can create a profile to disable them. Open Services.msc and sort by "Running" and compare that to ESO. I think you may find the list is longer than what you see in ESO. Manually add the missing services to your ESO "Extreme" profile and set them to be disabled. And, on top of that, there are services that Windows 10 protects. To disable some of those you have to run Services.msc using NSudo as Trusted Installer with all privileges enable before you can disable them, otherwise, you will run into denied access or grayed out properties.

Edit: The trash can also include third-party applications that add services that are not necessary. Those are also often missing in the ESO list unless you manually add them. Things like Adobe and Macrium and Nero (to name only three) also add update checkers and "genuine" Nazi license checker spyware services and all of those suck the life out of your system. Micro$lop isn't the only producer of garbage. They're in good company with software vendors. The list can be huge, and includes various driver packages adding bloat (default Intel chipset and MEI, network cards, GPU driver packages, etc. generally add worthless garbage) and game clients carry a payload of filth (Punkbuster and other anti-cheat garbage, "helper" services, etc.). In almost all cases, none of those services are actually needed or important.

 

So, in the very very short version of optimizing the os.....

ESO can basically turn a factory install of windows 10 with bloat ware in to a benching os and back at the click of a button.

My standard Windows is pretty damn close to my benching os now.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4358581_

 

My small contribution....

 

Slightly better one...

 

Oh 3DMark when are you going to separate the eGPU submissions? *face palm*

It's sad when a native bga 1070 beats eGPU submissions with 2070 and 2080's lol...



1, 2 and 3 are eGPU's lol....

 

Older drivers, better scores and more points. Who said newest has to be better?

https://hwbot.org/submission/435871...ven___basic_hd_graphics_4000_478.92_dx9_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/435871...n___xtreme_hd_graphics_4000_196.99_dx11_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4358713_papusan_3dmark03_hd_graphics_4000_21094_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4358714_papusan_3dmark05_hd_graphics_4000_15790_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4358715_papusan_3dmark06_hd_graphics_4000_9191_marks

 

Sorry the double post. But different topic



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I saw this awhile back thought about getting one but never really heard of the company @Mr. Fox how is yours holding up?

 

Give me a task, what do you want me to bench? Just go to do a <forced> reinstall of my Windows after MS borked the last update and made the system go into an endless loading screen.

Survived for a few days on my macOS installation.