*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4412082_

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4412097_

 

1200+ nice, what PSU are you running?

 

Hi bro... EVGA SuperNova P2 1600W.

 

Not the fools day. But next level on the milking.

MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING Z TRIO Spotted; has 16 Gbps GDDR6 (Updated) By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/20/2020 08:54 AM

If you can remember our MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO, I deemed that product to be a classic (albeit an expensive one). All of the sudden a GAMING Z TRIO just surfaced at MSI, mind the Z.


MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO ( review)

• Boost: 1,755 MHz / Base: 1,350 MHz
• Memory 14.0 Gbps GDDR6 (effective data-rate)

MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING Z TRIO

• Boost: 1,755 MHz / Base: 1,350 MHz
• Memory 16.0 Gbps GDDR6 (effective data-rate)

Interesting right? We might see a completely 2080 Ti rehash from AIbs with a new type of GDDR6 memory.

Bro Fox. Will you upgrade?

 

Probably not.

 

I'm going to save my anger for the MXM refresh.

 

At least the 2080Ti owners wasn't double screwed. Aka they could risk 2080 Ti Super. Then 2080 Ti Super with faster ram on top a few months later

https://hwbot.org/submission/4415002_papusan_3dmark05_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_15333_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4414994_papusan_3dmark03_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_20126_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4414990_papusan_3dmark2001_se_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_25768_marks

 

I'm glad the NVIDIOTS are a little more protective of their flagship Ti and Titan customers. At least they have been so far. No telling if that will continue forever if they see an opportunity to make a fast buck by screwing us all with little more than firmware and driver magic as they often do with the lesser GPUs. But, I think they are smart enough to know that doing so would destroy the intense loyalty they have built with those customers. The bargain shoppers are pretty fickle and will always default to whatever they can grab cheapest if it gets the job done.

 

Well they did have the Titan X Pascal then launched the 1080 Ti a few months later which was better than it for way less $$ wouldn't be the first time they screwed over there customer base. Then they released a Titan Xp which was a very minor improvement over a 1080 Ti to keep Titan at the top. You buy a Titan Pascal for a lot of money thinking it will be the creme of the crop till the next Gen only to be replaced by a card around half the price in a few months...

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Yes shame on Nvidia for releasing new and faster products. They should just take a lesson from Intel and keep the status quo.

 

When u spend 1200 for a Titan Pascal that's dubbed the best of the Pascal Architecture you expect it to be that not replaced by another Pascal card at half the price within a few months.

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I disagree. I buy hardware fully knowing it will be replaced with something better at some time. I fully expect the 3080 ti to come out and be faster than my 2080 ti. It's the name of the hardware game. I welcome faster hardware because it means exactly that, there are faster products out there to play with.

 

3080 is a whole new gen graphics. All should release the best they can for each gen. Not milk on it. See... More perfomance = New or next gen hardware. 980Ti-1080Ti-2080Ti-3080Ti and so on.

 

Of course there's nothing wrong with faster hardware there's a difference between releasing a product in good faith VS a cash grab. Here is Canada a 2080 Ti launch day was 2x the 1080 Ti launch day price for what 30% more performance and some RTX BS games really don't use not to mention the massive performance hit just to use it? With the Titan X Pascal thing if you going to say this is the best Pascal card then that's it your development should already be complete for that platform if your gonna sell it as the best then leave it as the best... If there's more performance on the table then don't launch a 2 Titan Pascal cards. Nvidia knew they could get more from Pascal as the time of the 1st Titan Pascal Launch let's not kid ourselves here it was fast money for them to release an expensive Titan upgrade from those still running maxwell Titans. A new architecture upgrade is fine I have no problems with that or course the newer cards or going to be more powerful. But cmon it just looks like a cash grab if it was a new architecture a few months later fine that's different you'd be upset if you dropped 1200 on a high end GPU only to have something better launch on the same architecture at half the cost even though you were told this was the best they could get on that architecture.

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Sure, that's your opinion. Without competition the consumer gets milked (look at what Intel has been doing for the past few years). Improving and releasing new stuff isn't bad. You don't have to buy it as a consumer. Some people should be thankful for what they have...

And still no one forced people to upgrade to a 2080 ti from a 1080 ti right? It was the best card pascal card at the time. Again shame on them for making titan X performance available at a cheaper price with the 1080 ti. They never said it was the best card you will ever be able to purchase, if they did, I'd love to see that.

I get it, you spent money and new stuff came out so you're upset. I'm happy they are making improvements even with the lack of high end competition. Yes in a perfect world they would make the best card possible and hand them out for free along with rainbows, but that's not going to happen. We need to be realistic about things. I was under no obligation to overspend on the many 2080 ti video cards that I've had in efforts to get 30-40% more performance than the many 1080 ti video cards I had...

 

Your funny nobody is saying it's a bad thing to release the 1080 Ti with Titan X Pascal Performance the issue was releasing 2 titans and ripping off customers. Here's a Pic still on there site saying "most raw horsepower we possibly could get into this GPU" Implying that's the best you can get on the Pascal Architecture is it not? I think the RTX line is overpriced if you want something to succeed get it into the hands of the masses the more people using RTX the more incentive for devs to develop for it. Sorry for the image quality tapatalk won't let me upload full res without VIP.

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Releasing newer and faster hardware is awesome. Anyone that doesn't want newer and faster hardware needs to have their head examined.

Playing games with deliberate performance metering using firmware and drivers to milk and manipulate customers is a dishonest control freak approach to business.

I am very glad to have something better than the lame GPU trash AMD is putting out, but I don't appreciate the greed-driven digital sorcery business model.

 

I love new hardware I just thinks it's a cash grab first we have nvidia selling 2 different dies the A die and regular die and the A die can hit higher clocks if it's the same GPU they should all run the same die in my opinion now we have to have to figure which GPUs have the A die no thanks... There's people who don't follow that sort of stuff and just want a high end card for there gaming rig they ain't gonna check that. Replacing the Titan X Pascal really pissed off alot people at the time... Of course for most people the 1080 Ti was amazing and don't get me wrong it's a great card for the price.

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That A-die shenangan allowed them to use inferior chips and minimize the risk of playing the silicon lottery. I am all for the concept.

The problem was lack of transparency and some elements of deception in marketing. They could have handled that differently and made a lot of people happy, while charging substantially less for inferior parts. Some people are OK with inferior parts when they save a lot of money. That is how AMD survived for over a decade.

 

If they told people and charged less it would have been fine. From a business standpoint it's great it allows more dies to pass off as 2080 Ti which allows them to in turn be able to sell more stock even if some of those dies are just barely 2080 Ti material. When u see for example a KINGPIN EVGA Card you know your paying extra for a binned die if they sold it that way then it's OK.

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Even if Nvidia tell the truth, this doesn't mean that the customers always will know what they'll get. Everyone is trying to trick you into their trap.

"While Lenovo continues to advertise the ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 as having a GeForce GTX 1650, NVIDIA has now updated its Game Ready drivers to reflect the correct GPU"


It's official, the ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q GPU, not a GTX 1650 as advertised

Lenovo may continue to advertise the ThinkPad X1 Gen 2 with a GeForce GTX 1650 GPU in many regions, but that is simply not the case. While the device's GPU has always performed like a GTX 1650 Max-Q, an NVIDIA driver update confirms that this is the case.

 

Gotta love the smell of new hardware! And it's always fun to bench and see what improvements have been made since last gen.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4417235_ | https://www.3dmark.com/vrpbr/77197

 

OK, looks like this is the highest score for an 18 core CPU without using dry ice or something colder. The 7980XE in second place is using dry ice and the 10980XE in first place is using liquid nitrogen.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4418276_


Also testing the latest version of Windows 10 cancer. The above run is with Enterprise v2004.

 

It still sucks compared to W7, but it seems to maybe not ruin CPU performance quite as much as earlier versions of W10. Still unacceptable for a newer OS to not perform better than a much older OS. It should perform MUCH better, not worse. That it does not is totally inexcusable.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/13824142/3dm11/13695642#

 

https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=136493007939 | https://hwbot.org/submission/4418485_

 

very good I hope you are very well ... for my misfortune I had a mishap with my asus gene xi z390 I was extroperated .... and proceeding guarantee .... the question is that I have the opportunity to change the plate and I had thought exchange it for ina asrock taichi ultimate ... what would you do to continue with the gene xi or take the taichi?

 

I would stick with the Asus Gene mobo. You already know what it is capable of. Based on my experience with the Asrock Taichi you won't have an equal overclocking experience, especially with the memory. How many high scores do you find for Z390 on HWBOT for users rocking a Taichi? Unless something changed recently, (and I haven't check,) probably not very many.

I think they might be one of the better options for AMD of late, maybe even the best for Ryzen, but I am not so sure that is true for Intel.

 

I don't know whether to continue with the gene or change to another with atx format ...

 

I would stick with the Gene since you are well acquainted with its RAM overclocking capacity, or maybe go for an EVGA Z390 Dark if you are done with Asus. Or, the high end Gigabyte Z390 board might be a good option.

@iunlock have a recommendation?

 

The impossible Dark ... a gigabyte would be fine ... I don't know which model, of course the extreme is not ... it's very expensive

 

This is the one that @Johnksss has for desktop Z390 https://xtremmedia.com/?q=product/view/familia/30

 

Brother @makina69 - https://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboards

The most popular enthusiast motherboards based on HWBOT submissions are:

• ASUS Maximus VII Hero
• ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero
• ASUS ROG Maximus XI Apex
• ASUS ROG Crosshair IV Formula
• ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero

Specific to the Intel Z390 enthusiast chipset, below are the boards most widely used on HWBOT.

Motherboard Manufacturer and Model	Submission Count
ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate Intel Z390	258
ASUS ROG Maximus XI Apex Intel Z390	3,713
ASUS ROG Maximus XI Extreme Intel Z390	1,155
ASUS ROG Maximus XI Gene Intel Z390	2,255
ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero Intel Z390	326
ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wifi) Intel Z390	320
ASUS ROG STRIX Z390-E Gaming Intel Z390	436
ASUS ROG STRIX Z390-H Gaming Intel Z390	29
ASUS ROG STRIX Z390-I Gaming Intel Z390	32
EVGA Z390 Dark (131-CS-E399-KR) Intel Z390	1,015
GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER Intel Z390	1,004
MSI MEG Z390 ACE (MS-7B12) Intel Z390	261

 

Interesting GPU benchmark... https://www.basemark.com/benchmarks/basemark-gpu/

OpenGL: https://powerboard.basemark.com/benchmark-result/753386

DX12: https://powerboard.basemark.com/benchmark-result/753383

Vulkan: https://powerboard.basemark.com/benchmark-result/753385

 

UserBenchmarks: Game 166%, Desk 182%, Work 193%
CPU: Intel Core i9-7980XE - 107.7%
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080-Ti - 214.3%
SSD: Samsung MZ1LV960HCJH-000MU 960GB - 1,255.5%
SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 1TB - 128.2%
SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 1TB - 128.2%
SSD: CT1000MX500SSD4 1TB - 126%
SSD: Samsung 960 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 377.4%
SSD: Samsung 960 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 386.9%
SSD: Samsung MZ1LV960HCJH-000MU 960GB - 211.1%
SSD: Sandisk S3 1T00 1TB - 103.5%
HDD: Seagate ST4000LM016-1N2170 4TB - 60.8%
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB (2016) - 106%
RAM: Unknown 4x8GB - 140.7%
MBD: EVGA X299 DARK

 

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z390 Phantom Gaming X/index.es.asp


What do you think of this plate?

 

Have fun with the old.

Download 3DMark2000
Key 6VZTY-SDZ75-KA9V7
user: Futuremark

If you have the "3DMark requires a 3D-accelerator with 4MB or more video memory" error, run this .exe instead (this modified .exe has the video memory check disabled) (place it in the same directory as the original .exe)

Download also the 3DMark patch to removes the framelock 3DMark2000 suffers from on Windows 10 https://community.hwbot.org/topic/1...dows-xp-solved/?do=findComment&comment=539290


https://hwbot.org/submission/4426502_papusan_3dmark2000_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_18707_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4427754_papusan_hevc_h.265_decode_core_i5_2430m_242.85_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4427772_papusan_3dmark_99_max_geforce_gt_555m_(gf116_ddr3)_5993_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4427736_papusan_3dmark2000_geforce_gt_555m_(gf116_ddr3)_33755_marks

 

Plate? Do you mean motherboard?

It looks pretty nice.

 

At least turn it upside down before you eat off it...won't get food in the socket then! :-D

 

So this is the machine that this bench measures everything against?

 

I sold everything ... I will buy z490 apex and i9 10900kf ... xd

 

because asus with this of the phases has disappointed me ... yes it is true that they have the best bios ... and the oc of ram of the best in their motherboards ... but an apex should have pure phases intersil ... with how expensive those plates are .... they have given me the option of taking an x299 dark and a 7940 and I don't know what to do ... the computer used it to play ... they told me better take z490. .... but I don't know what to do and amd I don't like it ... I don't know if the i9 10900kf are going to be very hot ...

 

You need cooling that can handle +-300W load https://wccftech.com/intel-10th-gen...ng-power-voltage-scaling-statistics-detailed/

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/i...cked-at-5-4-ghzincl-cinebench-cb15-score.html

Z490 is for Comet and coming Rocket lake. Those chips wont' be able to perform better than old x299 HEDT platform with 7940 or better chips. But Comet and Rocket lake chips will be better for gaming.

 

I understand that it is better to play z490 now not what board to buy since asus has let me down with its double phases ..

 

I expect Intel recommends Hailea HC-1000B for cooling

 

Not so sure about that. It will only show how obsolete their 14++++++ arch is

 

Well, they didn't specifically say that chiller, but they did say "A" chiller.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-overclock-10900k

 

I'm not a phase change chiller, but -20c is -20c.

 

I delidded my desktop 9900k finally in my sig (so shiny!) and everything went as planned.

I then installed a rockit cool 9th gen IHS for testing before ultimately installing a BartX 4.3mm for my P870TM1.

But I ran out of Conductonaut from my last old OLD syringes order (2017), so I opened my backup syringe I purchased back in March 2018 from Amazon.

Something is off with this batch/syringe. Not sure it is a bad batch or this is how conductonaut is now?

When I went to go eject the first bubble, it was spewing all these odd, watery droplets.
When I went to go form the tiny little "bubble" I then apply to the die, as soon as I tipped the syringe, it dropped right off versus needing to be gently placed on the die (good thing I don't tip till I'm directly over the die)
When spreading, it spread almost like a watery TIM not in a good way and took zero effort to apply (whereas it normally takes a bit to stick and spread)
Using the normal spread method (small little circles to get it to attach) on the IHS, it was ejecting numerous smaller droplets (splashes almost). I had to clean up around the edges and inner perimeter which I usually never have to do
The syringe uptake (when you're removing excess for future use), ran out of pressure before it could uptake enough because it is so runny. I had to use my old, empty syringe to get it removed

Having used Conductonaut for years, I'm not used to it being this runny/splashy

Temps are actually higher and the cores are insanely uneven (6-10 degrees). I reapplied 2-3 times and still the same it will just shift to different cores.

This isn't my first rodeo with LM and I've used it for years, but as a control I used Kryonaut under the hood while I sort this out and got equal or better temps and core differentials of only 2-4 degrees.

I'm not sure if I want to go with Conductonaut again or something different but this last syringe is definitely off.