*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Endnotes RX-532 is the valid one to that link I gave though which is not listed in that screenshot - talking about 6000 series GPU performance, not CPU performance.

 

Yeah, I haven't seen anyone publish that slide of the slide deck with the RX-532 note yet. Sorry.

 

So AMD graphics cards are coming next month?

 

I’m not interested in it either. My 7980XE at 4.8 is still plenty.

I need a new GPU more than anything right now. I hope inventory is even available for AMD graphics cards.

 

Yep. Event is on Oct. 28th. Rumor is mid-Nov. release. They were saying Nov. 11th. At the same time, they said AMD CPUs for Oct. 20th. So sometime next month we will know for sure.

If it can get even close to the 3080 (within a couple percent and depending on games), but for $100 less with 16GB ram, I may want that.

But, as always, wait for third party reviewers.

 

I mostly just game / TV / Youtube / word processing and often all at the same time (which is terrible for efficiency of course) but the 2700x @ 4.2 that I got on the cheap is suiting me well still. That all being said the 5xxx 8 core part will still be welcome of course especially if it has a worthwhile IPS and IPC advantage which is looks like it does, but the GPU will have more tangible immediate effects for the money invested at this point.

 

Yes brother Johnksss, I have retired the dspboys because people mistake it for a Korean boy band even though I was already using that handle since 2008 lol.
A lot happened recently:
- bought a new case, a Corsair Obsidian 1000D to replace my Thermaltake Core X9. Man, this thing is huge and heavy but it is slimmer
than the Core X9 by around 70mm but heavier by 13kg when both are empty. The Core X9 supports 3 480mm rads and one 360 but there is little room for the hands to maneuver, stacking another Core X9 would work
but also a lot of hassle so I went with the 1000D.
- went with direct die purchased from Supercool Computers Thailand but accidentally snagged a cpu pin (rip Apex XII) when attempting to mount it vertically (yes, it was because I was lazy and paid the price for it)
- a new Apex XII just arrived yesterday and the direct die is working amazing. I'm just getting 51C max at stock operation.
- almost got a 3090 FTW3 Ultra but clicking the place order did nothing, until it went out of stock :'(

 

I totally forgot that you can add voltage control to the Asus Tuff 3080/3090 along with shunt (Maybe not needed with the right vbios) mod and dual bios. I already have the device for the voltage and I also already have the pins needed. And it is a 350W card out the gate, so maybe that might work out for me as well.

You know, I think that was actually where I seen the name as well. LOL.

Damn, that case is sic! I now see why @tps3443 was thinking of getting one.

That should have cost about 70 dollars to fix if they didn't want to warranty it. That's about what it cost me one year when i did the same thing with bending a few pins.

So you are getting good temps like Brother Fox is with his direct die. I could not get mine to sit right for nothing in the world, so i'm still on IHS.

Nice! it must of been me trying as I was clicking on the same GPU over at newegg. LOL and once in cart it was gone.

 

Haha yes brother, that is why I changed to sweepersc/sweepersc2. This is the direct die I ordered, it clamps directly into the cpu socket and then you attach the larger block.
Just be careful in the disassembly especially when there is water. So far, if the cpu is mounted vertically, you just need to put paper towel at the bottom of the socket and the
water drips down.

@tps3443 , here are some pics of the case:

I had 6 EK qdcs that's why I added another d5 pump. Also, the qdcs are there since I needed to disconnect the top and front rads everytime I need to transfer it to a new location. I am about 64kg, and this thing is over 40kg with everything installed and has water. Make sure to ask for help when lifting or disconnect the rads if going solo, since there is a risk of injury.

The case compared to a 27in monitor.

It was during the launch day, it was available on the Evga site for a couple of hours Newegg is always out of stock. Hopefully the supplies will stabilize early next year.

 

Wow, looks great!

Where did you order that block from???

 

Indeed brother, it's finely built too. Here's the fb page I got it from:
https://www.facebook.com/Supercool-computer-894497940571958/

Just send them a message via chat. They bill via Paypal and then send it via DHL.

Here's a sample stock run, so far I am happy with my direct die purchase.

 

I'm going to hit them up. I was watching the stream they did with his glorious SP98!

And those are some excellent temps!

 

Ah, that's why they're called desktops then! Nice rig, congrats on that one.

 

Thanks brother, I hope their product satisfy you as it did me. Speaking of SP, here's what SL replied to me. It's definitely possible to ask SL to pick an SP based on their clock rating for an additional fee of $50 :

 

Thanks Brother, I hope so as well.

My SP 75 doesn't seem that great, but when cold it can get up to 5.5Ghz to 5.7Ghz bench stable with a max of 5.8Ghz

Edit:
Ah, you are totally right @temp00876 I totally forgot about that! That's a good 10/4 good buddy or in this case. 10/6. LOL

 

I had totally forgotten I had Best Buy set up on notification for 3080's and 3090's.

Right now Gigabyte 3080's are in stock:



EDIT: Out of stock instantly sheesh

 

Sold out
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

 

I also had 3090's on notice in order of preference: Founders, Asus TUF and EVGA FTW3.

I got a notice the 3090 FE was in stock so I was able to grab one. I was going to try and grab two, but I wanted to lock one down to be safe for myself and use various discounts and rewards to mitigate the damage to my pocket as much as possible.

In the end, I ended up saving $215 off retail pricing on one (10% discount offer on one retail priced item + $65 in rewards) so my total cost with tax is 1374.43

It took me all of 20 seconds to grab it, click my discounts, preferences and check out.

I went back immediately to try and grab another one for my bro, guildie or board member but the system kept freezing on adding ("Due to high demand atm please try again blah blah") then boom out of stock.

I figure I can always resell and step down to a 3080 and/or 6900xt if it is too pricey for me.

EDIT: Looking at my emails (I didn't realize Best Buy sent me other in stock notifications) the 3080 FE was also in stock too but are sold out. I just jumped on the first email in my list and went with it (which was the 3090 FE), not realizing the 3080 FE was in stock for a hot second too.

 

Yikes, this reminds me of when a buddy and I decided to do EVGA builds and I ordered 2x DG-87 cases not even realizing how massive they were. When they arrived, he was stoked and I knew immediately that was too much case for me. It was gigantic!

We ended up building out a nice 1080ti system for him, but I scurried back to my Corsair Air Carbide 540.

 

which store?

Edit:

Ah, I now see your edit. Bestbuy.

 

@Mr. Fox
Is a "Shunt mod" on a RTX 3090 possible with a 4H Pencil ?
by just penciling the resistor lightly until it's covered and doing all six this way?

 

Hey brother. I don't know. It probably will since it has in the past. The process itself is the same and all you are doing is decreasing the resistance, so I suspect so.

I haven't had time to take an active interest in 30-series yet. Kind of waiting for a while to see what develops. What I did see in a couple of YouTube videos suggests that Ampere is going to be exactly like Pascal and Turing, meaning a shunt mod with no firmware mod providing access to higher voltage isn't going to do much for overclocking. And, modded or not, if you don't keep it freakishly cold it is going to have the lukewarm room temperature throttling asinine behavior as well. But, it will help a little bit. At least power limits will become a non-issue and may bring a small increase in boost clocks.

 

@Mr. Fox did you ever try setting voltage per each individual core for overclocking your old 7980XE? Or maybe even your 10900K?

It is very time consuming but seems to show huge gains in temperature reduction and power reduction too.

With Prime 95 small FFT's NON-AVX stress testing would crash my CPU with any less than 1.286 Volts. But, 1.286V to all cores was 100% reliable in anything! Although in reality, only (1) of my cores needs this kind of voltage to run stable. The rest only need around 1.238V-1.265V, obviously with Skylake-X even just 0.025 volts more can show a substantial difference in load temperatures. So, why juice them all with the burden of the weakest link?

Anyways, it is time-consuming. Very very time-consuming! But, temperatures are reduced by crazy amounts. Only one or two cores needing higher voltage doesn't seem to hurt much. But giving them all this voltage makes the entire package hot.

I guess it's like having (18) kids and only (1) child needs a blow dryer to constantly run in order to survive. But instead, you give them all blow dryers!

I am not a fan of Auto voltage control, if it were up to my motherboard, it'd send 1.400 volts for just 4,800Mhz haha. But, a fixed voltage per each individual core is about as good as it gets. Less degradation, less power, maximum overclock, and the minimum required voltage that each core needs.

 

So after going back and looking at the bot, that 10900K with Gigabyte Winforce 2080 TI (7980XE & Kingpin 2080TI) was actually more of an upgrade than a down grade for me. I was able to beat all my old scores and take 30 of 34 3d benchmark categories with it. Wow, who would of thought that was possible.

 

You guys run some crazy high frequencies though. Like 5.5 to 5.7Ghz, with water chillers and several large radiators. It makes sense that the 10900K would be the better high numbers CPU.

With the IPC uplift of Zen 3 you might just be able to make it the whole 34 set of benchmarks. Especially with the cooling setup you have.

 

I think we may be tapped out in raw overclocking potential with both Intel and AMD upcoming proc families, at least with water (excluding chilled).

It appears to me that memory overclocking is going to be the number one deciding factor between overclockers. While it has always been a factor, we are going to have to deep dive in those "auto" timings we like to avoid.

 

Zen 3 looks pretty tasty. It’s not like the 3000 series wasn’t nipping at Intel’s heels as it was. 5900x looks to be the sweet spot but I wouldn’t say no to a 5950x either. If the 5000 series delivers as promised, Intel better have something decent up their sleeve or it’s just going to get worse for them.

I won’t be upgrading my CPU situation well into next year as I have a 9900k p0 that is almost two years old and a 9900ks atm and just blew most of my “fun fund” on the new memory and 3090. The upside is both can move to whatever platform comes next for me.

 

AMD has really hit it out of the park lately and put both Intel and Nvidia on notice. Their disruption is a beautiful thing to see.

As a result, both intel and nvidia can’t afford to hold back performance with AMD looming so large on both the CPU and GPU fronts.

 

For you, I'd say wait, at least until Zen 4 in about a year to year and a half. That also will have alder lake out. Alder should be golden cove on 10nm++ or +++. That's a sizeable IPC uplift from Intel. Meanwhile, AMD with another good IPC change, along with a new platform so you have a potential upgrade path, along with moves to DDR5, seems like a safe bet all around for another jump in performance, regardless who you go with.

 

@ssj92

10980XE’s brand new on Amazon for
$817.50!!


They have (2) in stock.

What a deal!


!!!!! DISREGARD THIS POST !!!!

Apparently it is a scam, several reviewers said they received 10920X or 10900X instead of 10980XE and they had to return. There are also discrepancies in the description vs. the title of the listing.

 

Yeah it's a 10-core, but I found a 10980XE for $992 new sealed. Haven't bought it yet because I am still confused as if I should go with X299 with 10980XE vs X570 with 5950X

I sold my main desktop (Xeon E5-1660 v3 system) so now I am using my Alienware Aurora R4 (4820k). Ordered a 4930K for now and will see. I was thinking of dropping a EVGA X299 Micro2 (mATX) with 10980XE. Chassis can't fit regular ATX (has lots of HDD bays in the way).

I was hoping for Ice Lake-X but a reliable leaker has said those are cancelled and we won't see HEDT until Sapphire Rapids X

 

@electrosoft

This is 100% HCI memtest stable speeds right here. Which is pretty amazing considering I am on X299. This memory is just lovely and super fast! I am very curious as to how your non-RGB's perform.

These sticks have room left for sure. My 7980XE's IMC probably doesn't have much left though.

 

Microcneter usually has them on sale for $999
https://www.microcenter.com/product...-cascade-lake-30-ghz-lga-2066-boxed-processor

And they price match legit sources. I would trust them over any random fly by night shops.

Wait, what? 4930? How much and from where?

 

@Johnksss

Hey, do you run any of those MORA radiators? I have been looking into these and switching to a full test bench exactly like your model. A single MORA 420 or something like that seems more effective than several traditional radiators, right?

 

No, I only run a water chiller and phase change unit.

 

Tustin micro center is nearest to me and is a 6 hour drive. Santa Clara one closed years ago.

I bought a 4930k off of eBay. $99.06 shipped after taxes. Kinda an impulse buy. I probably shouldn't be investing in the X79 system at this point but it's all I got desktop wise until I get the new MB/CPU.

 

20 minutes for me.


Ah, ok. because I have on sitting on a RIVE Black Edition, but i suspect their is something wrong with the board. I may just go head and sub zero it and try to kill both.

Edit:
WTF is this.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/rtx-3090-v...173872?hash=item56e83808f0:g:HNkAAOSwgINfgBqf

 

Wish I was that close to a Microcenter. They have the best CPU prices, and motherboard combo savings.

 

Ha, someone's having a bit of a joke at the expense of the 3000 series launch, a play on a paper launch!

 

I haven't had a chance to play around with them yet. I'm in the middle of two other build outs atm lol.

I figure once my 3090 gets here I'll double down on everything and tweak da beast.

 

Our "local" (60-90 min away) Microcenter has them in stock along with an open box for $899.99.

They also only carry the MSI Ventus 3090 and 4 different 3080's (FTW3, TUF, STRIX and X Trio).

......All out of stock of course.

 

20 minutes? Must be nice.

In an attempt to battle scalpers, some have taken to eBay to "make a point" and flood/disrupt the deluge of bot purchased or even individuals who managed to score a 3080 or 3090
and instead of using it opt to resell it to make some $$$. You'll see drawings, models, renders and more.

Seriously, less than 10 minutes after BB sold out, oodles of listings popped up with their confirmation pages or receipts and listing for $2500-3000 for 3090's and 1200+ for 3080's.

 

For performance, the 5950X. If you need more memory, more memory bandwidth, or more PCIe lanes for I/O, the 10980XE. Zen 2 already was knocking on the door for Intel's 18- core. So I'd say make the decision on your platform needs.

Also, I want to see what AMD offers for Threadripper, because I haven't heard anything about a future HEDT Intel platform in awhile...

If Intel gave HEDT to AMD moving forward....

 

These big ole (18) core intel CPUs only have overclocking to help them now in later part of 2020. Luckily, they're really good at doing that. My overclocked 7980XE is 46% faster than a stock 7980XE, so that's great and all.. And 19% faster than a stock 3950X.

And if we look at the LEAKED 5900XT CPU-Z benchmark score of the (12/24) core part and multiply its score by "x1.334" this should give us an idea of exactly how the 5950X will perform. I mean, a 3700XT scores 5433, and if you double that, you get a 3950X's exact score.


The 5900X (12) core part manages 9,481 in the CPU-Z benchmark. So, if we multiplied this by x1.334 to replicate (16) cores it would be around 12,647 in the same CPU-Z multithreaded test. This is all literally JUST SHY of my 4.8Ghz 7980XE, only I don't have all of that extreme single thread prowess of the 5950X! And, this is a stock 5950X's score to boot. So, it can probably be overclocked further, albeit probably not by very much. But, still.

Anyways, there you have it.. My overclocked 7980XE can barely muster more than a CPU with less cores running bone stock lol. " Tear falls" haha jk!

Although if you really think about it, the 5900X and 5950X are probably running comparable clock speeds to my overclocked 7980XE.

 

Same as ours.... And checked the other day and people are still camped out trying to get one or the other. I bought a 1650 Ti for my server a while back which is on a step up to a 3090 FTW when they get around to having them and they get to my place in line.

 

I'm assuming a 10980XE should perform even better? My cooling would probably be a Noctua DH-N15 though.

Both X299 and X570 are dead end platforms at this point. I guess it comes down to 16-core PCIE4 dual channel RAM vs 18-core PCIE3 quad channel RAM lol

 

I think a 10980XE is better silicon, the soldered IHS is also very nice too. They also have faster IPC per clock. A 10980XE at the same frequency as my 7980XE can consistently pull faster single thread scores.


All platforms are dead end really. It just means a magazine quits writing about it. But use-ability stretches much further than that.

I may swap to a 10980XE early next year. I like using the threads for and development during school. Or better yet, I might go full bore on a Xeon 3175X and LGA3647 motherboard which is certainly dead end too!


Not sure how fast you are trying to run your DDR4 but Evga Dark seems to be the only option for beyond 4,000Mhz reliably. I run 4,150Mhz on my 7980XE at CL15 right now. For 4,200Mhz I have to sacrifice timings quite a bit.

As for using a D15 air cooler it’ll work. These CPU’s actually run pretty cool. It’s just when you start getting past 1.2V the power really starts to get you. The stock 10980XE actually turns out pretty good performance how it sits, due to increased clock speeds, lower operating temps than a stock 7980XE due to soldered IHS and it pulls about 100 additional watts running the same temperatures as one.

From a lot of the reviewers and seeing people overclock the 10980XE, they seem to manage 4.8 at around only 1.2V sometimes better than that. I need around 1.286V to hold a AVX load at 4.8Ghz like intel burn test, or real bench and things like that. Sure I could run less voltage, but I like my system to be reliable in everything for the most part.

The 5950X is probably the cheaper option, and makes more sense for the average individual I suppose.

 

That's a good idea. I saw where some just hunted down still in stock EVGA 2080 Supers or TI's and just entered the step up program and will use those till their number is called. At least in your case, you can queue up and if a 3090 happens to come along your way, great. If not, you know your number will eventually be called.

 

Does the 10980XE have better IPC? I thought they were both based on Skylake arch. One is just with mitigations at hardware level. I think with InSpectre, turning off mitigations should allow a 7980XE to beat a 10980XE at same clock speeds.

My RAM kit is 3200Mhz. It ran at 2666Mhz on my X99 system but should be fine at 3200Mhz in X299.

I really wanted W-3175X and SR-3 as well but decided it's better go to X299/10980XE/latest RTX 3090 or AMD flagship vs just a CPU/MB lol.

Actually since you do have 7980XE....do you have stock vs OC results for CPU-Z benchmark and CB R20?

 

The 10980XE has faster IPC some how. A member on overclock forums explained it pretty well, I will have to go look at what he said or how it was explained. Not really sure what’s up with it, but they are about 3-4% faster single thread at the same frequency in R15 and R20. They also support 512GB which is pretty nice if you need that much ram.


AVX 512 is also a really cool instruction set on X299 too, it would be nice to see that incorporated in to more applications. So, that CPU-Z benchmark where I am getting around 12,900 or so. If you test at AVX-512 that 12,900 turns in to nearly 20,000 running about 800Mhz slower too lol.

That is some extreme performance that AVX512 can turn out.

I would like to see encoding software and more applications use it. It literally doubles performance.

As for ram speed you can run up to 4,000Mhz to 4,200Mhz with some extremely low timmings on X299 without to much effort. X99 did struggle with ram speed, and even X570 AMD 5900X/ and AMD 5950X are carrying over the same memory controller as last gen.