*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

@electrosoft

How is that RTX3090? I’m jealous man.

 

Are you talking stock clocks? Yes the 10980XE has a small lead over the 7980XE but remember there are mitigations that limit it. Basically, this is how I see it. For LN2, get the 10980XE. For everything else like water and even air, a delidded 7980XE is ahead of the 10980XE. Now, the 7980XE doesn't allow you to overclock RAM as well as the 10980XE. The limit was 4200 with tight timings in my own testing, or 4000 with the best timings.

 

So, I am getting a new case, I have decided on the Fractal define 7 XL for cost and size, I am going to run (2) 480MM rads at 45MM thickness, everything all black! Black tubing, black fittings, black water blocks, black memory blocks. Is anyone here water cooling their memory, who could possibly comment on how the EK monarch setup works? I know keeping B-Die below 50C is very helpful for stability. I cant keep my memory below 50C without blasting it with HIGH CFM fans and crossing my fingers.

So, is the EK Monarch setup worth it? I am seeing people maintain around 40C which looks good. But, I dunno, it looks like the ram its self get horrible contact to the water block.

 

Thanks for the comment. Very helpful. 4,000Mhz low trimmings is my limit as well. I am running 4,150Mhz right now at CL15. But I feel as if I need to water cool my memory. It is sensitive to temperature.

 

Just shipped today. I was waiting with baited breath to see if I joined the canceled order brigade on Reddit and elsewhere, but it's on its way.

I've been spending the last few days on pcpartpicker and elsewhere contemplating either a new case or switching up my Corsair Air 540 (still my favorite case of all time)
to make the insides a little more aesthetically pleasing. I also need to see how it will look/fit with an NH-D15 in there. I do have a spare CLC 280 sitting on the shelf if
I need more room. If it all fits nicely, I think I'm going to get a new NH-D15 Chromax black as it matches everything much better including the modest RGB in my case. I'm sure my EVGA T2 850w
*should* be ok, but I'll end up hooking up a killawatt just to double check as I lay down the OC's across the board.

In a major shock, the lil lady was curious to try WoW and now she's chugging along full on addicted (level 35 and climbing) and realizing the 970m in the AW18 in the sig isn't exactly bringing home the bacon on the 30" ZR30W
@ 2560x1600, so I'm going to end up building her out a desktop. I have tons of components laying around, so that's three build outs on the slate for the next 3-4 weeks along with my own 3090/G.Skill/Case tweaks.

In other words, fun.

 

Thats great that yours has shipped. I too really want to just build my whole system from the ground up again to be more aesthetically pleasing. I need a new case, and a full custom loop would be ideal. My computer can perform the part right now. But, it is not that pretty looking. Browsing some of these custom builds on reddit will have you feeling this way haha

Computers are extremely addictive and expensive! With the custom loop and case that I want, would be about $1,000 bucks. And I still need a 3070 or 3080 minimum.

 

Which 3090 did you get?

 

Pretty sure he got a FE 3090 for like $1300 bucks new. crazy deal

 

Founders Edition.

I was able to use a 10% off reward + 5% back in rewards to make my total cost ~1374.00 after tax so that took some of the sting out of it by saving ~225.00.

I was just waiting for the cancel hammer to drop as numerous people experienced. When it updated to shipped I let out an audible sigh.

 

ah, okay. nice!

Just waiting on the status of my 3090 FTW

 

True, I just can’t do an open bench. I know it would be optimal as many times as I’m in my case tinkering and grumbling, but visually it would drive me bonkers.

And yeah, I budget everything. Even these purchases were calculated and budgeted.

One of the odd side effects of this pandemic is that it has really allowed us to save money. No travel, no eating out, no commute, no car maintenance, no frivolous shopping, no daily coffee and paper before work, etc, etc...

 

Where you guys getting your RTX 3090? I couldn't get any of the RTX 3090 or RTX 3080 cards. At this point I may wait for AMD flagship to see what's up.

 

Yeah I was going to go with an open bench. But, have ultimately decided against it.. I have always been in to maximum performance Ugly N' Fast builds. I am going to get a new case, and invest in a new custom loop with all new water cooling parts. I want to re-build my current setup in to an aesthetically pleasing system. Minimalistic, blacked out, but very clean looking.

 

I think he got lucky on a bestbuy email in stock alert. I guess you've just gotta stay on your toes every day. I would suggest Mercari, CL local area, and all of the usual retail sites that sell them too.

There's a few around me for $900 for new RTX3080 FE models. And $1750 for RTX3090 FE too.

 

@Johnksss

I have been running EVGA's own Ver 1.23, X299 dark bios since I have had the motherboard. So, I really didn't know any better. Anyways, I just installed the XOC ver 03 bios and performance has jumped up about 4-5%. Even my AIDA64 memory benchmarks have gone up an entire GB. CPU idle temps are about 3-4C cooler, load temps are lower. What in the world is going on?!

I feel as if my last bios was literally cancer now.

 

I think @Johnksss is attacking it two fold....using the EVGA step up program while keeping an eye out for one in the wild.

I was checking my email and forgot I had set notices for in stock and got hit with three, "THE WAIT IS OVER!" Emails from best Buy for (what I realized later on) was the FE 3090, FE 3080, Gigabyte 3080.

I just jumped on the first email for the FE 3090 and went with it.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-allegedly-moving-ampere-to-7-nm-tsmc-in-2021.html

I know it is a rumor but digitimes is normally pretty decent in their accuracy. So, do I wait for early 2021? Given that stock of the cards are going to be low until early 2021, I believe I am.

 

Unless you NEED ram bandwidth or PCIe lanes, the 5950X is faster with two fewer cores.

 

So, I haven't water cooled the ram, instead I went with corsair fans on them. Get around 39C. With water cooling, you remove as much air moving around the DIMMs. There are some that move water down a side, but are way more restrictive. Those are like the discontinued Koolance blocks.

But I also get errors above mid-40s just based on heat issues, so...

But blocks like the monarch are low restriction, can match metals (if you want all copper or nickel), etc. If going for quiet, the bling, etc., they are good.

For contact, if you have two sided ram, meaning chips on both sides instead of a single side, you use the same thinner pads each side, but you need a ticket pad on the backside if using single sided DIMMs.

 

Yeah my Royal Z 4x8 kit runs 1.5V by default. So they get pretty toasty. They manage XMP 4,000Mhz CL15 just fine and hit around 48C to 56C on all of the modules without errors. This is without fans on them. And they pass stability test ok. But, anymore speed or tighter timmings require fans to pass stress testing. So, it seems fairly inexpensive to incorporate liquid ram cooling in to a water loop that I am planning soon anyways.

My ram sticks are single sided.

 

I file that under hard hopeful rumors not likely to happen. Why? Because so far, the only product we know about a bring up on for TSMC 7nm is the A100 die. That would mean they would have to redesign using TSMC's 7nm design rules and kit. It takes closer to 12 months to tape out. You cannot just switch between the two like this suggests.

Now maybe they had their smaller dies on TSMC all along, that way you use the fewest wafers with high yields on the chips you move the most volume of. Split all production at TSMC between highest costing server part and largest volume, then the rest on the cheaper node.

But if they had to tape out on TSMC, there is likely a 9 month minimum to get to market. And until now, we've heard nothing on a TSMC tape out.

Edit: there is also the problem of the 20GB variant coming in December. And that if they had to do full tape out to product, it would then have to turn around and tape out again next year on the next gen (2 years per gen). Kind of hints at wasted resources.

Edit 2: this comes out on the heals of rumors that AMD has a bigger die than the numbers they showed on the 8th. If true they may have a product to compete against the 3090.

Suddenly, after that rumor, a rumor about waiting on nvidia until next year arises. Now, if AMD is competitive, I doubt they will have a retape on TSMC, instead doing a less cut down 3080 super. But they'd want people to wait until then with better yields instead of considering AMD, especially with short supply and AMD saying they will have supply.

 

@ssj92

I updated to an XOC bios, and ran the CPU-Z benchmark again at 4,800mhz. This has increased performance even further.

So, stock 3950X is 10,900. A stock 5950X is around 12,600.

This makes my 7980XE 49% faster than a reference 7980XE at default speeds. This is insane! being able to squeeze 50% out of a CPU is incredible. And, the crazy thing is that these CPU's have more left in them. If I had a full custom loop with larger radiators, and a real waterblock 4.9-5.0Ghz would be realistic.

I am running a expanded AIO, with a delidded 7980XE, and my IHS is not even lapped. Although, my IHS is pretty flat as it is.








Temps through R20 run.

 

There is also a question of the silicon lottery, delidding with liquid metal (or solder for the 10980XE), etc.

Then comes the question that we can't answer until next month of how much you could overclock a 5950X with an equivalent cooling system to what you would use on Intel's 10980XE.

People often do not deck out the cooling as much on AMD as they do Intel.

I'm moving to a single loop, was cutting my own steel brackets for the frame, but ran out of rotary cutting wheels for the brackets and the local store is out of the mandrels for the cutting discs they have.

I'm moving all 4x480mm into an external frame and using a 20" box fan...

 

Im just gonna stick with my lil' D15 and what ever 2.5-3 slot card I can find lol

Making my desktop feel like a humble lad compared to you lot, but I appreciate that you guys do this sort of thing. I can satiate that itch through you guys and its easier on my wallet too

 

For you.

Tomshardware have a more in-deap analyce than Guru3.com
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-switching-to-tsmc-in-2021


And Nvidia and the sales sites make it easier for the buyers

GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 Bundles Hit Newegg tomshardware.com | Today

"The GeForce RTX 3080 and GeForce RTX 3090 are back in stock at some retailers (sometimes), such as Newegg. Unfortunately, you can only pick them up as part of bundles, and even at that, not all the bundles are available for purchase."




And here is something for the AMD fanboys who enjoyed bash Intel and MB compatibility.

ASUS Drops Support for AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPUs on X470 Motherboards techpowerup.com

Today there is some quite interesting information circulating the web regarding ASUS and its alleged decision. Going a few months back, AMD released a statement regarding the support for its upcoming Ryzen 5000 series CPUs and said that it should enable compatibility with the last-generation X470 and B450 chipset. That, however, has remained a bit of mystery. The update is baked-in with the BIOS, which every manufacturer, like MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc. provides independently of AMD. So it is a manufacturer-dependant case, where if one vendor chooses not to provide support for 400 series chipsets, many motherboards will not support new CPU generation.

This represents the case of what seems to be happening with ASUS. In correspondence with ASUS support, a customer asked ASUS if they plan to update a Crosshair VII Hero X470 motherboard with support for AMD's upcoming Ryzen 5000 series CPUs, the company gave a rather negative answer. Here is the quote below:



But I expect some rumble on the web will soften up Asus, LOOL

 

@Rage Set

You’re familiar with an X299 Dark right? Why would the XOC bios produce such drastically lower CPU temps VS. the normal evga 1.23 dark bios?

LLC maybe? I’ve always used fixed voltages, and the same voltages between these bios.

I would idle around 31C-32C before. Now I idle around 26C with load temps about 8C cooler at a minimum.

How is this even possible? I can literally run an entire bin in frequency higher.

4.8Ghz was a stretch before, now it seems laughable.

 

Then it's time to move over on 49

Please post bench results and temps from the new overclock when you have the time.

Target.

 

Indeed!

Well be on the lookout for something like this showing up at your door....
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/com..._term=day&_branch_match_id=836860676222769022

 

@Papusan

You got a 7980XE?!!!!

I promised my self I’d never exceed 1.3V with my 7980XE. But, oh well. Maybe it’ll do 4.9 at 1.325v. I have never tried it!

 

Nope. Just grabbed some random numbers you can use as target for your new daily 49 clock speed "4.8Ghz was a stretch before, now it seems laughable." Maybe try go for 50.

 

Every single Founders Edition I have purchased from Nvidia always has a “Crushed Corner box” I dunno why.

I think it has something to do with how they are stacked on pallets and wrapped in plastic. Probably rolled around in the hand trucks and bumped in to objects. Probably not from shipping though.

it could’ve been in a big brown box, and it would still have a crushed corner.

 

The main point...He was lucky it made it to his location is what I think he was more concerned about first.. And the fact they just stuck stickers on a 1500 dollar item and sent it on it's marry way. I don't know about you, but to me I would rather be pissed off! That cuts down on resale value later as most people want the used item with the original box.

But..... That's just me.

Edit:
Side note, do not under any circumstances send in your X299 dark in the original box back to EVGA. They will send you a blank white/black or brown box in it's place

 

Now speculating it could be hopper is interesting. Mainly because AMD Navi 3 is on timelines for either next year or year after. So, if AMD does hit it out of the park with Navi 2, nvidia very well could be preparing hopper at TSMC after seeing Samsung's process.

Also, if rumors of chiplets on nvidia hopper is true, then getting high yields on small chips would produce the most cards. And if you could use up to 4 dies on a card, then you could do your entire lineup just be varying the number of dies.

Just a thought.

 

Ok, first run! You talked me into it. First time going past 1.3V+ 4,920mhz.

This XOC bios is like magic, and I don't even know why. It just performs great and runs much lower temps.

 

Colorful 3090’s in stock @ Newegg as of 10;59pm

 

I had this for all of 30 seconds, but of course i wasn't going to buy it. hahaha


Edit:

Damn, we were at the same time!

Edit: in the long line for EVGA

 

I mean it is signature required but sheesh. I’ll be camping at the door with my phone rolling and will insist on inspecting it before they leave.

that is insane.

 

You must refresh yourself with the term "it fell off the truck" (When people know what the items are.)
Also, you can sign in to have them waive the signature as well.

But still, do not be putting stickers on my box unless i buy it open box at Microcenter! haha

 

(2) used RTX Titans is more appealing than a $2,500 dollar 3090 haha.

 

LOL! "Fell of the truck" was weekly specials growing up from TVs, speakers, stereos, CD players and more in my old neighborhood.

And yeah, I really do not like stickers on my boxes. At least most times when picking up Best Buy orders those large red bordered stickers they slap on everything
come off with relative ease.

 

True, at that price point you might as well go to eBay and select the exact one you want if you're willing to pay that much coin.

 

When the 3080 was first announced people were selling their RTX Titans for $1,200 dollars. Obviously they have gone back up to normal pricing and same for the 2080Ti’s too.

Panic sells are crazy.

 

We are only talking about... lets say... video card and motherboard. Now they can do what ever they want to the "BOX" that is suppose to be coving these said products.

Although Amazon usually lets you know if this will be the case when they ship things that show what is exactly in it. Like the Qnap Disk Station that just came here yesterday, but i was on it with the Ring Camera. Do not throw my box on the ground right in front of my door. (I was home, but upstairs watching the front door like a chicken hawk)

 

It is so exciting when a package arrives.

 

It is my understanding that the XOC BIOS for the Dark allow the system to run at a lower power state, so when you're prepping for LN2, you don't lose a lot. Asus's higher end mobos has a similar feature that can be enabled and disabled.

Alternatively, you can say that while the XOC BIOS are "experimental", there is a lot more development going into those, because Vince, lol.

 

@tps3443 a 10900k is not capable of per core voltage control.
VID offsets (V/F frequency points) can be configured at several different multiplier steps, and per core frequency control based on load can be set (in combination with C-states) but per core independent vcore is only possible on HEDT. All active cores will get the same vcore on Z platform.

Hopefully my 3090 Founders edition arrives tomorrow or Friday.

 

https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/1316572799050248192?s=20

New 450w vBIOS for my FTW3 Ultra from EVGA for the 3080. No need to flash an alternate vBIOS as this new "XOC" vbios from them should be more than enough for most situations, even 4K ultra gaming.

Congrats on the new card and 3090 beast!

 

Arrived earlier than expected all factory fresh and sealed.

The Case is for my wife's build out to play WoW (Newegg).

I'll get to it later, but the box is HEAVY.





So now it will get rid of this:

 

That 3090 should fill the lower half of the case lol.

 

First run with old install/crud: