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So looks like the 6800XT is great at 1080p and 1440p, 3080 for 4k and RT.

 

After watching quite a few videos this morning the 3080 and 6800XT certainly look neck and neck with each other depending on the title, with the 6800XT being somewhat better at 1080p (if that matters at this price point) with the 3080 being better at 4K and definitely better at ray tracing, not even including DLSS. SAM (aka resizeable bar support) looks to be very beta with some testers reporting crashing, OS corruption and some flat out refusing to review it since it's such a beta state. RAGE mode is nothing more than upper the power limit with a fancy name and toggleable button in their software. In studio workloads Nvidia looks took have a clear advantage as well.

For me, considering the drivers and software suite, DLSS, RT performance, I would easily spend the $50 for the Nvidia card, but I also game at 4K and DLSS is HUGE factor in my decision. I've been playing COD Cold War recently, and DLSS at 4K Ultra settings lets me play multiplayer at 141fps locked (GPU usage below 99%) because I turn off RT. But it is nice to see AMD competitive again and hopefully pushes Nvidia to get us 7 or hopefully 5nm cards sooner than planned.

Supply sucks for both, but Nvidia looks to have had more cards on launch day. On a side note I was able to sell my 3070 FTW3 step up card from EVGA for $750 cash this morning

Edit: I had the 6800 XT in my cart, PayPal ready to check out but I paused, watched a few videos and by the time I came back it was gone. So I could have had one. I will possibly grab a 6900XT to test. I figure if it's bad I can sell it anyways.

 

Welp, that happened

The 6800XT has more overclocking headroom, a lot more. I wonder how much the 6900XT will overclock. I'm actually excited.

 

From what I've seen so far, not really. Sure you can crank the clock up, but the performance does not seem to scale. In some cases performance dropped. But who knows what this guy is doing and the power limit and temps are likely the culprit here, once those are unlocked performance might just scale like crazy. Still early days. 6900XT could be fun to toy with if it does scale.

 

Who want the $500 3070 cards after this release?

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT beats GeForce RTX 3090 in HWBOT competition

 

Lol apparently someone wanted it bad enough to pay a slight upcharge. It's crazy out there right now.

 

They'll buy what is aviable

Surprising Absolutely No One, AMD RX 6800 Series Pretty Much Out of Stock, And Scalping Becomes a Pervasive Industry Problem techpowerup.com | Today

The title says it all, really. We've only just been able to add AMD's latest RX 6800 and 6800 XT graphics cards to our shopping carts in multiple etailers, but the cat is already out of the bag and into scalpers' pockets. This has been a recurring event for all gaming-related tech, from DIY PC parts to the latest-gen games consoles from both Microsoft and Sony. At this point, it becomes moot to talk about availability issues, or demand issues, or reaching a conclusion between the two - the stock just isn't there for anything gaming-related, period.

 

Exactly, I was just gonna post this re the 3070! This 6800XT totally kills the 3070 for similar money (EDIT: actually 6800XT $150 more, (got my wires crossed).....well 3070 needs to go back down to it's recommended retail price now rather than selling at inflated costs). I'm still glad I've ordered the 3080 though, better ray tracing and overall a more powerful card than the 6800XT and only slightly more expensive, although the 6800XT was great at 1080p which is very relevant for me, but I wouldn't want to live with it's "last gen" ray tracing performance considering this is gonna be a long term GPU ownership. I wonder why the 6800XT does so well at 1080p, it's almost as if it's somehow creating less CPU overhead than the 3080, but it still might be just a limitation within the 3080 GPU somewhere instead. I'd say overall that this is a great launch for AMD, and I really wouldn't have wanted to be someone who bought a 3070 (because they're selling expensively, especially over here in the UK)!

 

The 3070 needs to be $400-$450 max. The 8gb is ridiculous at this point, we've had 8gb cards since the 1070. But ya I agree the AMD cards are competitive again which is great for everyone. It lights the fires of competition and we will all benefit in the end.

 

The 6800XT will last you longer on 4K. + AMD's drivers will be better with the time. Not all swap cards each second year.

And for 3070, $499 is all too much. But with the graphics cards shortage they all will be sold out. For now

 

So $750 is too much? To be fair the buyer was thrilled to be upgrading from his 1070, the card retails at $620 without tax or shipping, and finally I need to be paid for my time, gas, and breakfast of course (and I was hungry).

 

Basically all of this.

4K, RT and DLSS are integral parts of my gaming now and in the future. This renders the 6800xt a non starter for me atm.

Based on leaks, reviews turned out almost exactly as I thought.

I am curious about the 6900xt though. I could see picking one up to take a looksy if it brings more to the table than just 8 more CUs.

 

6800XT wouldn't last me longer as I'm on 1080p.....you're referring to the 16GB of the 6800XT vs the 10GB of the 3080....yeah if I was on 4K then I'd be worried about the VRAM on the 3080 after a couple of years, but as it stands at 1080p I think the 3080 is a better investment for me due to the ray tracing and it being a more powerful card anyway.

 

A 3080/6800XT is gross overkill for 1080p. Even a 10900K or 5800X bottlenecks it in many games. Unless you’re getting a 360Hz monitor, there’s little point in getting such high frames at a lowly resolution.

 

I would love to overclock one, but I want a 4K gamer and for $50...

I'd still consider one because I agree with hardware unboxed that RT and DLSS are still niche. But it is empirically better, so nvidia 3080 looks good. But if I cannot find one until February, I'll skip another gen, painfully.

Edit: also, think of a beast water block on it. Engaging rage dropped performance at times, like GN saw, likely due to extra heat. But on water...

 

So after getting crash after crash after crash running Black Ops Cold War, I started doing some checking. After a fresh install and setting factory settings in bios I still get crash after crash trying to play that game. Well come to find out I check the event viewer and see a bunch of Whea-logging errors:

A corrected hardware error has occurred.
Reported by component: Processor Core
Error Source: Corrected Machine Check
Error Type: Cache Hierarchy Error
Processor APIC ID: 8

So, it looks like the CPU is bad as well. Started the process on a replacement for it last night.
While I was taking pictures for Intel I took a really good look at it using my Microscope again and there is a very very tiny hole in one of the pads. We are talking needle point tiny and that is causing the CPU to throw errors.

Damn, and that was a 5.8 ghz chip. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

 

Now nvidia needs to hurry and release what ever crap they have so I can have what I want at lower prices

Im comfy still, but would love to have a 5900x/6800XT/4Ghz mem in my TU150

Probably get something like 500-600 for my stuff so hopefully I have my P750ZM back during that time to hold me over until the prices come down and start hunting for a deal.

 

Ok guys so my watercooling parts are slowly pouring in. I’m gonna ramp my 2080Ti to 6800XT performance level in no time. I went all black with everything.

I had this 2080Ti breaking 17K timespy on air cooling. So I am very excited to see what I can get out of it running well under 50C. It is nothing short of amazing how fast a 2080Ti can become, when you set them up properly. Which is exactly why I have decided to keep it!

Black rads, black fans, black tubing, black fittings, black vector acetal waterblocks, black everything!!!

BLACK BLACK BLACK!!! The ole 7980XE and 2080Ti rig will be a beast hanging with the rest in 2021!

 

I need to pull this out to dust it, but:



Edit: 4x480s and a lasko 20" wind machine for push pull.

Edit 2: I don't always cool server racks, but when i do...

 

I take it this is for personal use?

 

Yes. Just wanted to move all the systems to a server rack in another room for quiet. If I was doing a professional build, I'd be using EK distributor block for doing quick disconnects to each system. Would do a professional HVAC fan to reduce servicing. Have the frame welded, then powder finished for the radiators. Probably would have looked at a single 360x480 rad to fully fit within the standard rack. Or order one of these:
https://koolance.com/liquid-cooling-system-alr-4500a

 

That Koolance ALR-4500 looks pretty damn nice! Although I have zero clients that would need or want to buy it or any water cooling for that matter for their servers.

 

These EKWB SE classic rads are pretty amazing for $56 dollars a piece. Lots of copper too! I just can’t see spending nearly double on some of these other rads.

With CPU waterblock, GPU block, rads, fittings, pump, reservoir, and tubing. Being as thrifty as possible on Amazon and eBay. I spent $450 dollars as easy as pie. I could see going north of $1,000 quite easy with a custom loop, especially buying all name brand parts and going with the best components.

 

Hehe, I'm gonna do it, you ain't gonna stop me! I'm sure it will be relevant in ray traced games up to 180 fps / 180 Hz. GPU should last me a while! (Maybe I can do some downsampling too to eat up the overhead.)

 

Nothing wrong with that builds. Looks great. I paid $140 per rad (with a 15% discount reducing it to $120 each) for 4x480mm thick rads. Specifically hardwarelabs black ice nemesis gtx 480mm rads.

But not everyone needs the thick boys, nor can all cases fit them with 25mm thick fans on.

What matters is getting your feet wet, metaphorically (if literal, check your fittings and seals).

I still use XSPC for fittings for decent price and not overly costly. But you can even find a deal at times on Bitspower costing about the same. All that matters is you find decent products at decent prices and get started.

For example, a raystorm pro has the same core engine of the raystorm neo, if going for low restriction blocks. You can pick up the older model blocks with the same performance for 1/2 to 3/4 of the price of the newest block.

It's always good to be a smart consumer. Look for if the internals are the same and get the best value (unless going for looks, then pay what fits).

 

Update.
Intel is refunding me my 752.49 for the 10900K as they seem to be currently out of stock. I check my local Microcenter and they seem to have plenty of stock at 539.99.

Still waiting on what Asus has to say. Board is under repair and wait status as far as I can tell.

@Mr. Fox


Edit:
New chip is a SP 92

 

NVIDIA expects a few more months of supply constraints of GeForce RTX 30 videocardz.de

AMD is facing similar problems with its just-announced Radeon RX 6800 series, which were apparently at even lower supply than GeForce RTX 30 series. In many cases, retailers did not even bother to take preorders for the cards, as none have arrived.

Can add in this Why push out more cards than they must? LOOL

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00-gpus-on-oct-28.834078/page-9#post-11059716

 

I have been running a ghetto water loop for about 3 months now. Essentially an expanded AIO with a reservoir and another radiator too. The radiators were not that good though being made of aluminum, and if I would have added my 2080Ti in to the loop pulling 400 watts, with a 7980XE that already idles on the desktop at 200 watts. It would have just overwhelmed my whole setup.

I had to ditch the whole thing, and move to a full custom loop.

I was able to save a lot of money on Chinese fittings. The Barrow 10x16 compression fittings in all black were $11 dollars for (4) of them on Amazon, a really really good deal.

Still waiting on a few more pieces to finish the build.

The hardest thing of all with watercooling parts for me, they are all so blingy and very flashy. So I was having a hard time finding just black parts with no RGB, without spending too much.

I love the EKWB magnitude block, or the foundry waterblocks but they’re too expensive for my budget. Fortunately I can easily upgrade down the road.

 

hi masters
need small help 7820hk /msi GT75 7re


how to test PLL voltage "works or not" ???

1.175 voltage + 0.055 offset + 0.045 load ,,,now + 0.045 PLL offset
but still get 1.230idle/1.275V load "where is PLL offset" ??? or is invisible ?

still testing ,,,idea is use PLL voltage for lower vcore ??
its possitible ??

 

Really sorry to hear that, Brother John. That sucks. That was a really great CPU. I am really dissatisfied with ASUS. I love their firmware, but their hardware reliability seems poor to me. Maybe I just keep drawing short straws with their mobos, but after this happened to both of us, I am scratching them off my list of acceptable brands.

 

I'm still waiting to hear back about it and whether it was my fault or faulty hardware.
New CPU seems to be a keeper so far, but kind of scared to do anything with it on this board....

 

Yeah, seems like a pretty big risk trying to use it in the ASUS mobo.

Are you planning to grab a Kingpin Dark to replace it?

wow... was that just a lucky accidental win in the lottery, or did you buy it pre-binned?

Interesting that they still say they have no stock. They were available from multiple sources when they gave me a refund for the CPU that my ASUS board killed. I wonder if because it is being covered under the overclocking "Performance Tuning" warranty they don't want the hassle of an unhappy overclocker if the replacement is a crappy silicon sample... meaning that they are just saying they have no stock to avoid any drama if they send a piece of crap to replace a good one.

 

If you have an unlocked BIOS you should find that on the CPU power management menu under IA AC and DC Loadline. If you set it to 100 it should help.

If you do not have an unlocked BIOS it is not going to be accessible.

 

I have no plans on keeping this board. I only got it to make sure my CPU was still good. And it proved the CPU was not in 100% working order.

Microcenter doesn't have any Kingpin boards as of yet, but I could order one from EVGA. The main problem is you can not run Nvlink on any of those boards at the current time as their is no 3 slot bridge only a 4 slot bridge. So none of these alleged high end boards can run Nvlink 3090's without a riser card.

They just grabbed that CPU out of the case. Nothing fancy. Same when I got the first one. So I'm going with luck of the draw.

No, they actually did not have any as the person working on my case... We talked for many many hours in a very good way. He basically had my case done in 1 day.
They did have some KF's sitting around though, but they said that would be a downgrade. Plus a serious cash loss as well.

Not sure of the condition of those RMA CPU's either. So you could be right as the tuning plan is only for over clocking CPU's.
All in all it was a pretty damn good experience from tech support.

 

Went ahead and reserved one of the Kingpin 3090s at $1999 (got the list). It lasted about 15 seconds before the auto notify button was removed, sounds like they're going to start shipping next week. It's such a terrible price/investment but I might just go full stupid lol. Never owned a KP and part of the unlocked nature of the card is making me want to all in and with the continued shortages, I'm sure I'll have no issue dumping my FTW3 3080.

 

I'll take it when you're ready.

 

I totally missed that list. It never showed any stock and no list.

 

If I do pull the trigger when I get the emailed link I think we can make that happen. It also has the Microcenter 2 year replacement plan.



Live overclocking event with 3090 KP.

 

If he doesn't im in.
For your Kingpin card that is. Not the 3080.

 

Blah. Was waiting for it and gone. "Cheaper" than what was rumored and I expected. While it appears to be a terrible price, it is well worth it, especially if you are going to push it. I am going to see if I can get the Hydro Copper variant of it when it appears.

 

And look what Vince has...

 

That's the way.

 

The time has come!!

 

My next new edition which I should have bought long ago.

 

This is what you do when your new CPU waterblock is delayed until Wednesday, and you still need your PC.

 

I understand. This is the way.

 

Very interesting price comparison, definitely puts it in perspective, and makes you question their motives & decisions!

 

Scalper pricing, he can't miss out on scalper pricing?!

 

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-pro-manifold-2cpu-2gpu-acetal


This, a couple more compression fittings, and a couple more quick disconnects is next on my list.

Right now, I have the three systems in my server rack in serial. Although I've tested a single pump to still move water with all systems, I still, obviously, prefer two pumps going at a time. With this, instead of worrying about pumps and worrying about shutting all systems down to remove one, I can just quick disconnect the single system I care to work on. This will allow me to parallelize the systems. I just hadn't bought it at the time and didn't think to buy it before starting. Just need another 3 pairs of QD3s to go with it (so another $75 on top of this price).

BTW, each system has its own pump and res. Then there is a global reservoir to keep the lines fed and to monitor for water level drop.