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    *Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

    Discussion in 'Desktop Hardware' started by Mr. Fox, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Rage Set

    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    In other news, my new Zenith II Extreme Alpha mobo is here. This looks like a brand new board. They even included all of the mobo accessories. So I have double of everything.

    EDIT: Under Problem/Symptom, it says "No testing equipment" - Action "Swap directly & no repair". No wonder support couldn't tell me what the issue was. Their repair agents actually couldn't diagnose what it was because they don't have testing equipment. What kind of repair facility doesn't have testing equipment?

    The buyer for a rig I'm building backed out, even after he said get him any modern GPU. When I told him I was selected to get a 3060 and how much it would cost, he told me he wanted it. Today he calls me and said he doesn't want anything less than a 3070 for the 550 (tax and shipping) because that is how much they should cost or he will pay 330 for the 3060. Obviously I paid 550 for the card and that is how much I was charging him. My exact cost. I offered to show him my Newegg invoice. This is why I rarely do any business with friends, or friends of friends of family. They think I get mainstream consumer products like Geforce cards or Intel i7 procs for less than retail because I'm in the industry. I will likely be shipping it back to Newegg.
     
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    You need more samples to find out. But this was a topic in the review
    Intel Core i9-10850K Review - Just as Good as the i9-10900K...
     
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    There's a huge chasm between custom ambient/chilled water OCers and XOCers. They are the ultimate OCers and I very much enjoy watching their work while knowing it is way out of my realm both cost and time wise along with potential cost and lost gear and know upon which lane I shant stray upon. :D
     
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    Welcome to my hell.....

    I was outside of the 15 day return window on the KP 3090 and even then it would have been a ~$300 restocking fee. We hashed it out today and we're back to being good friends but I'll never front like that ever again. It ended well and it is a monster but I told him friends don't do that to friends and if he was having any type of issues he should have said something before I hit the buy button or when the window was still open.

    I have a very small select group of friends and even smaller family I will front, build out and/or install and then collect because of this. Quickest way to eliminate this problem is to provide a quote and require half down non refundable before you even start work on it. That will weed out many of them.

    On the flip side, you could sell it here and it would move quick or eBay and move even quicker for more.
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    Well he did put down half, as per my contract that is required for all parties I do business with. However, I don't have a nonrefundable clause in it, as it is never needed. Normally I am selling my own used hardware that I personally purchased and have in hand. The problem is that almost all of the GPUs I had were quickly sold due to shortages and I still sold them for less than the used market. The 2080 TI FE I had, I sold for 825 three weeks ago (below the 1300 I paid). Once you get to know me, you know that I try not to profit on the stuff I sell, only recover some monies so I can buy more hardware in the future. I am not hurting for cash and I rather my used hardware goes to people that are actually going to use and enjoy it. Unfortunately, places like this website, there are a lot resellers and I won't mention usernames, that lowball you so they can resell high in their countries.
     
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    I do the "break even for the year" game while trying to have fun playing with hardware. It usually ends up turning into "Stem the red tide while trying to have fun playing with hardware for the year." Whatever I manage to make on X items is usually wiped out on Y items but if I can make it through the year without a massive loss spending too much playing with tech then that's a win. I was able to sell that FE 3070 for $1k ($900 after fees and S&H) last week which is a major outlier for me and put a dent in the expect yearly loss.

    It has been my system for over 20 years now (I think I've mentioned it on here a few times years ago). Wife hasn't left me, so I'm flying under the radar JUST enough.... :cool:
     
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    Newegg Shuffle is up:

    https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle

    Numerous 3060's starting with the EVGA 12GB $399 model and quickly escalating to $500+
    5900x single and in a combo deal w/ a 240 AIO ($549.99 and $634.99)
    MSI Trio X Gaming 6800xt single and in a weird keyboard combo ($1149)
    MSI Trio X Gaming 6900xt ($1599)

    I entered for a 5900x, $399 3060 (and the Trio X for giggles).
     
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    I wonder why the 6900XT is selling for so much more than the 3080 when the performance is a percentage point or two lower than 3080 (within the margin of error)? Of course, nothing makes sense anymore, LOL.
     
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    Looks like the RTX 3060 Ti gives the best price/performance ratio out of all the cards in the Ampere lineup (if we could find them at MSRP). None of the other cards seem like they're worth getting.
     
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    You're right. Literally, everything for sale now, assuming that you can even buy what you want... which is unlikely... is a truly horrible value and severely overpriced. You can pretty much count on getting screwed over regardless of what price/performance range it falls into.
     
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    I know the reference 6800xt and 6900xt original MSRP were $649.99 and $999 and AIBs were going to be 100-200 more even before pricing skyrocketed. So taking an extreme starting point for AIBs @ $849.99 and $1199.99, we're seeing $300 and $400 markup on both models respectively which takes some outlandish pricing and makes it even higher in many regards.

    In comparison, the MSI X trio 3080 is $1109 and the 3090 $2169. The 6900xt is definitely in direct competition with the 3090, but pricing everywhere is out of bounds with no timetable for adjustments back into the land of normality.

    When I get around to building out this 5000 series, I wouldn't mind at least giving a team red GPU a whirl in it. I've had my fill of RTX cards having had 2x 3090's and 1x 3070's I am more than content with the KP 3090 and can't see myself personally needing another 3000 series for myself in the future. If I can acquire a 3060 or 3060ti even for sub $400, I'll definitely pick one up and swap out the wife's 1060 6GB and sell that one on eBay to make it a $100-$150 upgrade cost tops.

    Absolutely. It is definitely the optimal bang:buck spot in their line up IMHO, but a 3080 @ MSRP is still the sweet spot overall. So many market forces are in play at the moment that there is no feasible time table for prices to head back down anytime soon.
     
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    We did get the KPE 3090s at their original and expect cost (which was already pretty beefy). There's a small breath of normalcy in there.....somewhere.
     
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    TL;DR - conclusion still correct, flip the percentage on performance.

    Although the prices are absurd, I think you have that flipped on performance, excluding RT and DLSS.

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    But, this also isn't taking into account aftermarket cards and coolers of either, etc. Either way, $1000 seemed high compared to the 3080 anyways. Now that you are at MSRP levels for the 3090 for the cost of a 6900 XT, there is no reason to consider it at all.

    Edit: Same with the 6800 XT. After all the cards started selling at $800+ and not being able to get them for MSRP, there was no reason to buy it over a 3080. And when the 6800 started costing in the $ 700 range, same deal.

    AMD returned to the top end (didn't win it, but returned), then priced out of consideration, IMO. And now they are talking about an MSRP of $480 for the 40CU 6700XT. Nearly MSRP of the Founders Edition 3070. I'm dubious they are the same performance. Instead, this is a 3060 Ti competitor, which also costs on average over the 3070 MSRP, but is priced this way because Nvidia 3060s are $400-560 or whatever.

    Unless you can pick up a 3080 around $860 or less (to include the EVGA FTW3, which otherwise I say $850, but you can fudge $10 or $20), it is hard to justify getting it. For the 3070, I like around a $650 cap, give or take. The 3060 Ti, $520 cap. 3060 is $400 cap, and that is if you must have it.

    None of AMD's prices seem reasonable unless hitting MSRP.
     
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    Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT Nitro+ Unboxing and Performance Preview

    Of course, the big story remains the continuing GPU shortages. Many were hoping AMD would do better than Nvidia, but it sounds like stock of the AIB partner cards is even worse than we saw with Ampere. As we noted in our RX 6800 XT review, that's not really surprising. Given a choice between producing more Ryzen 5000 CPU cores (80mm square per compute die) and more Navi 21 GPU cores (519mm square), AMD makes far more money off the CPUs and can produce more of them. Unless TSMC can start producing more wafers for all of its partners, the shortages could continue for many more months.

    Why sell the graphics cards at a loss? :D AMD have two choices... Forget graphics and push out more Ryzen Cpu's or charge premium for their better Radeon cards and offer both :p


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    Intel Kills Off Overclocking-Focused Extended Warranty tomshardware.com | today

    With no fanfare whatsoever, Intel has discontinued its Performance Tuning Protection Plan (PTPP), an extended warranty plan that offered protection from damage that occurred during overclocking. The company made the announcement via a message delivered on the PTPP website.
     
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    Yes, the 6900XT is more closely aligned with 3080 than it is 3090. There is a much larger gap (more than double the percentage points) between it and 3090 with it falling between them in benchmarks, and if you consider the lack of DLSS and RT mojo is it not a very good value at all for gaming. It should cost less than 3080 due to the reduction in features. I think the only reason it can slightly edge out (1-3%) the 3080 in synthetic benchmarks is the fact that the boost clock is about ~300MHz higher.

    I think it is a monster GPU and I am super glad that AMD finally has a horse in the race again. If not for the ridiculous pricing it would be a very desirable GPU for anyone that doesn't care about the DLSS and ray tracing capabilities of the 3080.

    All that being said, anyone that is shopping for a flagship GPU today should be satisfied to get their hands on anything close to 3080, 6900XT or 3090 because the pickings are pretty darned slim for any of those GPUs. The price tag is going to choke a mule no matter what they can find right now. There is no competition on price because you have to take whatever you can get and be willing to get raped in the process.
     
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    See also this if the rumors is correct.

    Radeon RX 6700 XT would have a starting price of 479 USD and see better availability guru3d.com

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    You can expect AMD to announce the Radeon RX 6700 XT on March 3 with a starting price between 479 and 499 dollars for the reference models.

    The base model is thought to outperform GeForce RTX 2080 Super, and would be roughly comparable to the RTX 3060 Ti which costs $399. Aka pay more for about same performance. Great deal:) Yeah, I talk about MSRP and not the Price gouging.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-pricing-index
    Meanwhile, Nvidia just announced that it made "$100 to $300 million" in estimated sales to cryptocurrency miners just in its last quarter. Let's be honest: It was probably a lot higher. Actually, that was for Q4 2020, so perhaps not, but miner sales in Q1 2021 probably account for at least half of all GPUs sold.
     
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    https://www.techspot.com/review/2160-amd-radeon-6900-xt/

    Granted that was day one, 18 games review by Hardware Unboxed. But, if dropping money on a card like this, you are likely targeting 4K, 1440P at lowest. So, at that point, the 3080 is better value overall and 3090 is king of the hill.

    It's actually synthetics that have the cards closer. Also, I'm sure it also changes based on games selected, but this is not that bad of a list.

    AMD's GPUs are powerhouses for traditional rasterization. They are a letdown in two ways: 1) memory bandwidth/cache, and 2) overclocking.

    First, AMD went with slower memory bandwidth with a more limited bus. Their memory bandwidth is GDDR6 non-x with the equivalent of 8 chips present, meaning that the 10-12 chips for the 3080 and 3090 have a wider bus BEFORE we even mention the speed the VRAM is working at. Now, their cache system is better than Nvidia's, which makes up for the lower bandwidth issues at 1080 and 1440p. But it runs out of steam at 4K, which is what allows Nvidia's high end cards with better memory bandwidth to rule the roost, so to speak, on the high end.

    Oddly enough, LTT did a comparison of Doom Eternal at 8k with the 6900 XT and 3090. AMD actually at times provided less tearing, even though they had the lower frame rate. Shocked them as well. If anything, I would say that shows how important a good cache system can be, while at the same time saying that is one example on vulkan on a highly optimized game that cannot be extrapolated to any other situation.

    Second is overclocking. AMD capped their cards so that the 6900 XT IS LIMITED TO 3000MHz. That's right. On air and water, we saw these cards already in the 2700s by reviewers. Some have wondered if AMD has a clock limit at 3GHz. If so, they better fix that for their next cards. SERIOUSLY! If there was no cap, these cards would be throwing up numbers in the 3000MHz range, thereby really stomping out some scores. But, because these cards have the limit, no reason to go cold. If you have no reason to go cold, you have no reason as an XOC to buy the card. There goes the majority of who you would sell those cards to.

    But, to the point frequency is higher, that is TSMC vs Samsung. Just like we used to say that about CPUs with AMD and Intel, which was really a GF vs Intel process thing. Now, we see TSMC vs Intel and TSMC is really closing in on Intel on frequency (still behind, but still very nice). But it isn't just process, but also uarch that can effect frequency on a manufacturing node. Different discussion, though.

    Other than that, I definitely agree with you. These cards are all good, and good luck trying to get one. Nvidia is still the better buy, but they also are now scared (something we have not seen from Nvidia in awhile).

    Next year, Lovelace will add like 70% more cuda cores, so a good uplift, while rumors now have it that Nvidia is going back to TSMC and going to be on 5nm. AMD next year is rumored to have multi-chip GPUs, with one being 2x80CUs stuck together (think of 6900 XT times 2, plus IPC increases from changes to the dies, minus the latency impact of an I/O die or interposer; they are targeting 2.25x the performance of the 6900 XT). Nvidia will do multi-chip the generation after Lovelace with Hopper (rumored around 2024, unless they pull it in). So if you cannot get the current gen cards, don't worry too much. Next year (also when supply is rumored to finally catch up), we could see another huge jump in performance that will make this look like the Kepler/Maxwell time frame, while RDNA3/4 and Nvidia Hopper will look more like Pascal.

    Another rumor has it that Nvidia might be adopting some aspects of the way AMD did RDNA2 for the rasterization performance. If Nvidia can take the best of the design and make it work with their own design, Nvidia may just have another jump in traditional rasterization as well.
     
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    So I won the ability to buy a combo 5900X/Enermax AIO 240 for 650. If I combine that with the 3060 that is coming soon, I think that would be an interesting gaming rig for someone. So do I buy it and build a "low end" gaming rig and try to sell it.
     
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    I think sometimes we're jaded because that combo, especially at 1080 and even for a lot of 1440, is more than fine especially with that 5900x. I see plenty of low/mid build videos on YT and they put up very good performance relatively speaking. I think even Linus did a video showing how even the most popular / older hardware is still very capable if you're willing to compromise on settings. I think it was either an Ivy Bridge or Haswell system he used and a 1060. My daughter and her fiance still game on 970m GPUs and are more than happy. The only reason I upgraded his from an 870m was because he started playing Final Fantasy and it hit a hard wall with that GPU but with the 970m @ 1080 he is more than happy. Amongst close friends, one is a tech nut that puts me to shame but the rest? Two have 3070's which are more than enough and after that it quickly regresses to 800, 900 and 1000 class systems.

    Either way, congrats on winning the shuffle! I lost as always :mad:

    tl;dr: Yes :)
     
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    Here was a more recent chart from techpowerup as they reviewed the MSI Trio X 6900xt a few weeks back. Everything still looks about the same @ 4k from what you posted.

    AMD brought the heat with rasterization this go around to at least be very competitive and depending on games played outright win. I still wouldn't pick AMD as my main GPU though this time around. I wouldn't mind setting one up in this AMD buildout just to really compare/contrast especially in WoW. I definitely plan to unhinge the 3090 from the Phanteks build to give it a whirl in the 5800x build.

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    I was hoping for a 3080 for 4k performance. As soon as the 6800XT had cards mainly at the $800 mark or higher, it just didn't make any sense.

    Now I'd still buy one at MSRP. I might even accept one for around $725. It isn't preferred, but I'd take msrp, water cool it, and be happy. But the 6800XT I think is locked to 2800MHz. That means, considering what air coolers achieved, this card could be able to sit at the cap with a chiller or really good water cooling.

    But, if i don't find a card somewhat soon, I'll just wait and instead do a 5.1 system in another room. After all, why not pick up some bookshelf speakers on sale, a center, a sub, and a receiver. If i have to spend $1K somewhere and I can't enjoy good graphics, at least I can get some decent sound and use my calibration mic. (One of my hobbies is calibrating displays and sounds systems; I'm good at displays and have an i1 pro 2 spectro and i1 display pro (i1D3) colorimeter, but could use extra experience playing with more speakers and sound equipment).

    Edit: started pricing stereo equipment and already North of $1k by hundreds. Lol.

    Like $1200 for a Sony Dolby atmos. $1600 for a klipsch. And more work to find the best value speakers for each price point.

    But $1600 really is entry for a decent sounding system.
     
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    GRAPHICS CARD RANKING 2021GPU comparison with GeForce RTX and Radeon RX for March computerbase.com | March 2, 2021

    Which graphics card should I buy? For March 2021 there are new recommendations for Nvidia GeForce RTX and AMD Radeon RX from entry-level to high-end.

    Cooler Master ML360 Sub-Zero Review: Frigid Temps for LGA1200 tomshardware.com | Today


    Sub-ambient liquid cooling…How low can you go?

    3 of 5 stars
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    Clearly the ML360 Sub-Zero is aimed more at those looking to hit peak clocks on single cores for bursty tasks than those looking for sustained cooling on thread-heavy workloads.

     
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    So, could have bought a ZOTAC 3080 AMP holo tonight. But after looking at the $970 price tag, plus shipping and tax, I could not bring myself to pull the trigger. $1100 is a bit much for that card. But the fact I had it in my cart and had enough time to look a price up on ebay felt good.
     
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    Shuffle is up again, but the selection is even poorer than last time.

    Oodles of 3060's, some 3070's, 6800 for 939 (!) and MSI again with the 6800xt for $1149.

    I entered for the lowest priced EVGA 3060 @ 399.99 again as that is my ultimate price point to make reselling the wife's 1060 6GB an at most $150 upgrade. I'd much prefer the $329 EVGA though (who wouldn't? :p)

    My replacement HX1200 is on its way but shipped via UPS Ground from CA to NJ so you know that means not till next week till I can really dig into this 5800x build.

    EDIT: Strike 5!
     
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    @ajc9988 I popped those G.Skill sticks real quick into my brothers system (since he wants a 12TB in there now too) to give them a TM5/Memtest stress test. SK memory dual rank. I figured at that price point that is what it was going to be most likely.

    They worked without a hitch @ XMP running Prime95, RealBench, Aida, OCCT. I was fishing for WHEA errors just to make sure everything was running fine. zero errors. I'll swap in the 5800x today and rerun all those tests so next week when I get my
    HX1200 back Only last unknown will be the X570 tomahawk.
     
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    Good to know that set is Hynix instead of Samsung. So likely the extra $100 to get the $280-320 kits for 2x16gb dual rank is where the B- die is.
     
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    My brother's 12TB upgrade required a major breakdown of the Silverstone mATX case to install since I had everything so custom run and tied down plus I wanted to replace all the trash ros fans with P12s so while his system was in shambles I took a few hours and installed the tomahawk in my old corsair and used his PSU and 1650 to get it up and running:

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    Out of the box, old W10 install on a 256GB, zero tweaks with CB20 of course the 5800x@ 4.6 smashes my 9900k @ 5.2 in CB20 by over ~800 points while staying at 72 (~6100 vs ~5300). It smashed it worse than my brothers 5600x smashed my old 8086k @ 5.3 (~4100 vs ~4400).

    Both running nice and bloaty (I keep services as is even leaving AV software running on both for fairness) and both on EVGA CLC 360's with PL12s.

    I'll spend the next day or two running other stress tests, fishing for any WHEA errors, etc... before I move the GPU and PSU back into my brothers build to finish it out for next weekend drop off and dinner.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    So, I think pipe dream, but if it works, you would see between a good paste and liquid metal. As a science experiment, 10 mounts of each paste, this, liquid metal, and some good paste would be enough to put it to bed.

    My worry is NASA is looking to deploy this in a vacuum. So keeping thermal transfer after boiling off liquids in pastes is a concern. But, if this does out on earth, other pastes may do better. I don't know if this has pump out followed by drying out and some can't pull back in.

    But, I look forward to seeing your experiential data as well.


    In other news, just because it is an excuse to get tools, books, do research and projects, i might just build those stereo speakers instead of buying them, including hot air station and a pine64 soldering pen for making the crossovers. Get used to soldering there before doing mods on cards with tinier stuff. Maybe build a cheap cnc for pcb manufacturing for the crossovers.

    After all, hobbies!
     
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    "Once it’s heated, the liquid portion of the suspension evaporates, leaving behind a crumbly, clay-like paste."

    So you get dry-out as soon you hit 100c. Are you applying it straight to the die or as paste between the IHS and cooler?
     
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    Popped the 4000 B-Die sticks (4x8GB) in the 5800x. They default to CL16 vs 15 but work fine; I'll work on that down the road during the big swap:

    5800x B-Die.PNG 4x8 Bdie.PNG
     
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    Newegg Shuffle is up.

    3060's, 3060ti's, 3070's, 5900x, 5950x's are up.

    I went for:

    3060 @ 329 from Asus.
    3060 + B550M @ 476.98 from Asus.
    5900x
    5950x
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I did that 3060 @ $329 and the 3070 (cheaper of them). We will see...
     
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    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    @Mr. Fox

    Yeah. Uh........yeah. About that.

    95C and thermal throttle after 5 minutes at 100% fan speed and stock clocks on a r9 290X

    IT ACTUALLY GOT TO 95C IN 30 SECONDS FROM 44C WHEN I RAN IT A 2ND TIME.

    Yep. Going back to Thermalright TFX. Yep.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Exactly :) Almost as the Dell thin gamingbooks. 95 vs 100C, LOOL. Thanks for the testing :vbthumbsup: Reps added.
     
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    There were actually *burn marks* on the heatsink....like.....what....
    I had to sand it off with 1500 grit and then get all that caked layer off the core. And I thought liquid metal was annoying to clean up...

    Card still works btw. Even dropped a couple of C than the previous TFX application after sanding all that crap off and applying Thermalright TFX.
    This is why you keep spare cards around. So you can mess with stuff without destroying an out of stock 3090 FE.
     
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    Newest CTR 2.0 RC4 release gave it a run on the 5800x to give it a preliminary test of the silicon ranking and a rough baseline and to see if I had a deactivated CCX#2 in there (I did not) so a single CCX. I'm using the stock thermal solution on the EVGA CLC 360mm (it was brand new), but when the big move happens I'll be using better stuff. Still picking through the BIOS and researching and learning how AMD does its thang. Last AMD chip I owned was an FX-60.

    CTR 5800x Golden Sample run.PNG
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    What started as a mid tier build, is becoming a tier below the best. All AMD.

    AMD 5900X
    MSI 6800 XT
    X570 AORUS XTREME (rev. 1.2, hopefully)
    32GB 4000
    Corsair 680X case

    I am going AIO because I'm going to sell it eventually and every time I try selling a build with a custom loop, the majority complain of the extra cost. The only part that was higher than MSRP is the 6800 XT at 1150. It is what it is. I'll post results and photos soon.
     
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    That's going to be a sweet, sweet build.
    Which 6800xt? What AIO did you pick? Mem?
    Give the 5900x a run through CTR.
    That is a great motherboard too but well out of my realistic pricing range.

    When I was looking for my next potential case last year I looked at the 680x since it is the logical upgrade to the 540 series but that was glass overkill for me and I didn't like the front intake mechanism. I love the cube design with plenty of cabling and PSU room though. 540 is still my favorite case to work in.
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    I got the 680X because it reminds me of one of my favorite cases of all time, Carbide Series Air 740 High Airflow.

    I got the MSI 6800XT Gaming X Trio and the RAM is Corsair Vengeance. A set I got from Mr. FOX.

    I am not sure about the AIO. Still researching that component.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    AMD Suggests Possible Fixes for Ryzen USB Connectivity Issues tomshardware.com

    News of intermittent USB connectivity issues on AMD Ryzen systems broke a few weeks ago, and the company has since announced that it is investigating the widespread reports to identify the root cause. AMD has not yet produced a full fix for the issue, but in the interim, its tech support has now issued its first official advice on steps that might help resolve the situation.

    A couple of the different suggested fixes...
    Be sure you enjoy Windows 10 latest build:confused: I'm sure bro @Mr. Fox would enjoy this fix:D

    Set PCIe mode from Gen4/Auto to Gen 3 in the BIOS :confused:

     
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    My brother's system has this exact problem on his Aorus B550M.

    Here's the issue though.

    I installed Windows 10 Pro. It was working fine. Updated, front USB 3.0 ports stopped working.
    Repeated the same steps, same results. Running an older version of W10 worked fine.
    Finally I went into the BIOS and switched from 4 to 3 (he isn't runing any gen4 devices anyhow atm) and now it works regardless of old or new/updated.
     
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    electrosoft Perpetualist Matrixist

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    Tested my bro's 5600x with CTR: Silver sample.

    I retested in the x570 with the 360mm same results. Not as bad as another dude's 5600x bronze sample and it crushes his old 3770k in every way but still....

    5600x CTR.PNG
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    I've been running my replacement Zenith Extreme II Alpha with my 3960X, successfully, for the past week. That is with four sticks of 3600 DDR4. I go to add another set of 3600 DDR (slightly higher timings) and the motherboard won't go pass the memory test. I have used these two sets of 3600 DDR4 in the past on this motherboard with this exact CPU. I think the memory controller on this CPU has possibly degraded over time or when my first Alpha went down, it degraded the memory controller.

    I can run either set of four in quad channel with no issues whatsoever.

    Troubleshooting Steps Taken:

    Reseated the CPU again after cleaning the CPU with 90% alcohol.
    Cleaned all of the memory sticks with CRC QD cleaner.
    Tried running all sticks at stock, no XMP profile. Stuck at Memory Test.
    Tried running the same 8 sticks on my X99 @ 3000, they run fine.
    In the process of testing all 8 sticks with MemTest, four at a time.
     
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    There's always a chance it is the replacement motherboard having problems running all 8 modules since the CPU previously worked with them and it was your original motherboard that borked and needed replacing.
     
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    Switched over to the MSI x570 5800x setup after a fun day of breaking down the Phanteks. I had wanted to get back in there to run the thinner wires, pull out the PSU extensions, and swap in Arctic P12's on both 360mm's. I also pulled the RGB Kaza 140mm and replaced all exhaust fans with P14s for a more subtle dark mode look.

    So far so good, but I'm definitely getting intermittent USB 3.0 disconnects (2.0 ports work fine) even with the newest BIOS. Same tricks that worked on my brothers B550M aren't working as well here. Seems to be during heavy file transfers or using an External USB 3.0 hub. KB/M, dongle headphones (HyperX Cloud II) all seem to be working fine. I use a thermal printer for business directly connected and Windows promptly created ~7 installs of the printer and it won't work. Hooked it up to my old record keeping PC, works fine.

    Dragon Center software is like reliving Clevo Control Center in the worst way....I used it to set the modest RGB on the motherboard and AN1500 and uninstalled it. Reading through the EULA MSI needlessly collects much more data than is needed. Just sell me the Motherboard and outside of driver and BIOS updates as needed our business is concluded. no more; no less.

    Sold my 9900k setup so no going back. :eek:

    On the plus side, I'm no longer dipping down into the 50's in Ardenweald in WoW and staying a rock solid 60fps. There's a flight point I land and test and it would sit around 53fps consistently. Now it sits at 60fps exact same settings / drivers so that's nice to see.
     
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    AMD announces AGESA 1.2.0.2 that solves intermittent USB connectivity issues

    The company announced AGESA 1.2.0.2 which will be released to motherboard makers in a week. They are expected to provide updates for their motherboards starting in April. There are many board partners who release AGESA updates much sooner, so it is likely that we will be seeing BETA firmware being downloadable already in March. Be sure to check your motherboard support pages soon.
     
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