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Ah right, in that case it must be an AMD Ryzen in combo with NVidia thing to explain your low Graphics Score for the clocks you're maintaining. If your temps are the same as mine then you're fine for clockspeed - for my gaming overclock I have max possible boost frequency of 2100Mhz, which will drop to 2050Mhz during gaming or benchmarking and stay at 2050Mhz until it reaches over 70 degC (which it doesn't ever), so your clock speeds will be fine then. Basically, the difference between a GPU on water and a GPU on air is not that big - on water I could maintain a steady 2100Mhz, instead of the 2050Mhz I'm seeing now - this is only 2100Mhz/2050Mhz*100 = 2% maximum loss of performance by choosing air, that's no biggie.

(Nothing to do with process disabling I don't think, I don't have any disabled, so I don't think explains the lower graphics score you're seeing. It's the AMD thing I guess!)

 

More the 1070.

 

http://www.hwbot.org/benchmarks/
That is the list. If you see an X in hardware, global, or world record, you should run it! Points are points.

On other news, GPUPi 3.1 will be mandatory starting on Feb. 1.

 

No, Maxwell did not have the room temperature throttling nonsense. That is something new with Pascal. I know @Prema can tell you what a horrible mess the Pascal vBIOS is. It is a rat's nest of ridiculously complex code and unnecessary algorithms that constantly change behavior along with voltage and power delivery. Perhaps part of their rationale was they felt compelled to do that because of how crazy high the stock clocks are on core and memory. With Maxwell you could literally slow-cook a GPU by overclocking the crap out of it and pouring on more voltage until it either crash due to instability or failed due to repeated abuse. Pascal just refuses to follow orders and kind of has a mind of its own.

 

100% correct.

Mine will go from 2050-2038 as soon as I hit like 53-56c. (This is on air though) Which is the very reason why I can't break 26k on Fire Strike

Now that is ridiculous to say the least...

 

It will do the same on water at the same temperature, it is just harder/takes longer to get it that warm on water. And, yes it is very silly. Had they made it do that at 75 or 80, it would be a nice feature. Doing it at such a low temperature is kind of retarded.

 

Well, Thermaltake processed my RMA and the new Floe Riing 360 is supposed to be delivered tomorrow, shipped by overnight air. I'm impressed.

Now I guess I need to hurry up and test this with the air cooler for before/after results. Maybe tonight after everyone else goes to bed. @Donald@HIDevolution asked me what I thought about it, so we're going to find out. I have had good results with taller Bitspower IHS versus stock, so we shall see if this is as good or better. They claim about 7°C improvement with a 15% larger thermal transfer surface.

https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/copper-ihs-for-lga-1150-1151


@Johnksss @Prema

 

Awaiting results on that...That'll be next mod if it drops 7c, Plus that's the "cheapest upgrade" I've seen in the computer world!

 

OK, here are the results with the Rockit Cool Copper IHS for @Donald@HIDevolution and @Ted@HIDevolution. Yup, I'd call this a clear win. Idle and load temps are about 8°C - 10°C lower with an air cooler. Should be beneficial for the P870 as well. The surface contact area is definitely larger as advertised.

Now I can hardly wait to get it back on water again.






Stock IHS - Delid w/ Conductonaut- Tests run in immediate sequence w/o cool-down

RockitCool IHS - Delid w/ Conductonaut - Tests run in immediate sequence w/o cool-down

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 CPU Cooler with Dual 120mm Fans


@Prema @Johnksss

 

Sorry for the noob question Mr. fox. Did you replace stock IHS from Intel to Rockit? Doesn't that void warranty?
The core differentials are nil after switching to new Cu Rockit IHS. Intel should consider Cu IHS for better thermals. Did Intel started using LM underneath IHS or just Colgate? Can LM handle AIO cooling w/o solidifying itself? I mean on stock clocks it will be very cool on AIO.
That Case just looks like new. Are those silver braided wires or camera flash on black braided wires?
On DTR laptops that IHS will be life-saver for OC'ers. Papusan will definitely buy to cross 6 to 7GHz.

 

@Mr. Fox Nicely done my friend! It must of been a late night, as I think I see "Jammy Pants" in one of those pictures

@Vasudev I am sure that is camera flash on black sleeved wires.

 

Hang on, does the top surface of that modded IHS have ridges in it, i.e. not flat?! I can't see how that would help if that's the case, because you just end up with a thicker layer of thermal paste.

 

Thanks, for results. Have you measured thickness + flatness vs. the orginal lid?

Warranty will be avoided. But who cares? And Intel continue use low performing thermal paste. Only meant for longivity. Mainstream or HEDT processors doesn't matter. All the same.
FYI. Most part of the Intel Lid is CU. Just surrounded with nickel alloy. Nickel will act as a diffusion barrier to prevent any atoms to form an alloy with the copper. Aka better solutions if you use liquid metal.

 

I believe that is just visual mill swirls from cnc machining. I would imagine the surface finish is smoother than Intel's nickel coating. Especially if they used a diamond tipped mill. Its kind of like when you buff a car and it leaves swirl marks no matter how hard you try not to get them. I work in a machine shop and it's normal to see this.

If it's not smoother, then this wouldn't be a great upgrade, more of a downgrade. I doubt Rock-it would put out a product if it wasn't better than OEM. That would defeat the purpose.

You could always hit it with some 1200 grit on a glass surface if the surface finish wasn't good enough.

 

Yes, but so does delid. Doesn't matter... still going to do what needs to be done. Results are far more important than a warranty. I have the stock IHS I can glue back on if I ever need to. The nice thing about 8700K is that it is cheap to replace if it gets worn out or accidentally killed (both of which are extremely rare).

Thanks! Yes, that is exactly what those are. Relatives are visiting, so I can't live like a Neanderthal.

It is very flat and smooth. If it were not you would be seeing horrible temps rather than improved temps. See the reply from @KY_BULLET below. I did not see any point in sanding off the swirly pattern. It is probably flatter now than it would be after sanding. The temps after the IHS swap alone should be ample evidence that it is better than stock.

Thickness is the same or so close I could not see the difference. I forgot I have digital calipers to measure that. I wanted to test the aftermarket IHS from RockitCool with no modifications, as most would use it without lapping. And, now I see no reason for lapping.

EXACTLY. All true statements.

 

Cheers for the testing, this could be the one for me to get if I ever want to redo my delid, I'm quite certain it would even out the temperature differences between the cores. Is it compatible with Skylake?

 

Thanks. I think you would like the result, too. Yes, compatible with 6/7/8 series i7. Here is a link to the product details: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/copper-ihs-for-lga-1150-1151

The relid die placement jig is designed to use with the Rockit Cool delid tool. I used a tiny amount of silicon sealant (paper thin layer) on the top and bottom raised edge of the IHS to "glue" the IHS. I did not put the silicon on the entire perimeter. On the top (sky facing) edge only on the outer corners. Again, only enough for it to stick, not enough for it to squish out everywhere or fill up the air space in the recessed area on the underside of the IHS.

I normally do not reattach the IHS on my laptops, but since my desktop CPU is always in a vertical position I figure it is cheap insurance against liquid metal escaping due to gravity. The silicon sealant is not super strong, so removing the IHS later is very easy. I did the same with the stock IHS and removing it with the delid tool did not require the Allen wrench. I was able to push it off by tightening the delid tool Allen screw with my fingers.

 

Has it got the same perimeter dimensions as the Intel IHS? If it does then I'd probably be able to relid it using my 8auer Delid Die Mate 2 ( http://der8auer.com/delid-die-mate/). Just for my future reference if I get round to doing this, it's not like I need to, but could be on the cards when I'm bored sometime.

EDIT: Actually this modded IHS is a bit of a different shape to the Intel IHS, but it does look like the maximum dimensions (as described by placing an imaginary rectangle around the base of the IHS) are the same for both. My Delid Die Mate 2 has a rectangular shaped relid tool, so as long as the maximum dimensions in x & y are the same between Intel IHS and this modded IHS then it should work.

 

Visually it looks bigger but I think it's because they took away a good deal of the lip on the front and back edges, by leaving more mass/copper there. That should help in dispersing the heat more. But that's just my point of view. Kind of hard to tell.

 

Yeah, it looks like they've got rid of the lips that were never in contact with the CPU heatsink - in fact I just think they've extended the contact area into the positions where those lips were before, increasing the contact surface area, but I think the maximum dimensions of the footprint are the same (the point where it contacts the PCB), at least if you simplify it into measuring an imaginary rectangle around the base where it contacts the PCB. BAH, hard to explain in words, don't worry if it makes no sense! (I'm talking imaginary rectangles, because that's how my relid tool fits around the CPU - it's a simple rectangle).

 

Do you live near Papusan's house? Those temps are insane on 14 core beast.

 

It is 15% larger than a stock IHS. Intead of tabs that stick out for the retention bracket to clamp the CPU down, it fills up that space and has cut-out areas for the retention bracket. All things considered, it is a lot larger in terms of surface area, but obviously still has to fit in the available space. It's larger because it is square and fills the space instead of being an irregular shape like the stock IHS. But, you don't have to use the Rockit Cool tool to relid. You can simply set the CPU in the socket, put the IHS on top and latch it down, using the retention bracket for the pressure while the silicon cures.

Exactly.

 

Man, that AC helped a lot. I bet that's why you can run 4.8GHz now. Very good temps. Great scores.

 

I think I already responded to this part in another post, but did not answer the other questions (below) yet.

I agree... this seems a lot better than stock. I had already delidded the CPU with the stock IHS and had Conductonaut on it already. Delid with liquid metal is always the first mod I perform now. No point in trying to use the stock trash from Intel because it is never any good. And, yes... liquid cooling and AC cooling is perfect for use with liquid metal. You absolutely do not want to use liquid metal with sub-zero cooling unless your goal is a disaster. It conducts cold as well as it conducts heat and as catchy as the name might sound for a vendor, a frozen CPU is not a good goal. They get kind of crunchy when frozen solid.

This is the View 71 TG RGB that @Trafficante gifted to me at Christmas for helping set up his monster. Awesome case. I had the View 31 before, which was nice... just not as nice. The View 71 is gigantic and I love that part as well. I think you are seeing a camera flash reflection. The braided wire sleeves are black, not silver.

I am getting tired of looking at the box in my office. If anyone wants the View 31 TG tower, let me know. I would let it go for a crazy cheap price + shipping just to reclaim the space it is taking in my tiny office. I'm thinking like around $25 + shipping. Maybe even less than $25 for a person that is extra nice. This is the one with the modded front panel.

 

@Mr. Fox How much for shipping to 41091?

I would imagine it is ridiculously high since it's pretty much on the other side of the country.

 

I will check and send you a PM.

 

http://hwbot.org/newsflash/5040_caseking_and_der8auer_launch_skylake_x_direct_die_frame
I'll leave this here for X299 owners...

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I have a serious itch that is unable to be scratched right now! You know whose fault it is ? Cryptominers! I want to go SLI, and just cant justify spending $800 on a used Evga 1080?
What the heck is going on with Nvidia? Did they cut production at the wrong time to ramp production for volta? There is dust on the shelves of online retailers, and if you do spot one in the wild, it will cost you over $1000 new! I had no idea that this kind of thing has been happening when I built my system the first part of December.

@Mr. Fox I am interested in your case also, if KY doesnt want it. I shot you a PM

 

There was a video posted on that a few days ago (I think @hmscott posted it) and I commented that @Trafficante needs one of those kits. Wish they had the same thing for my 8700K.

Sorry Bro, he beat you to the punch on it. I wish I had two of them so you could both have one.

Yeah, those prices are just absolutely insane. Probably even worthy of an expletive or two. Or three. I'm not sure that it is the fault of AMD or NVIDIA as much as the miner idiots that are buying everything up for grossly inflated prices, but it sucks no matter what. NVIDIA is actually asking vendors to stop gouging and only allowing the purchase of two GPUs per customer. No way they can police that, but it is hurting AMD and NVIDIA as well. I don't think they are making any more profit, just the greedy vendors that are screwing everyone.

 

No worries Fox, its fine. I like my case, but I have room for more, and at that price I would have added to the collection

I just registered at the EVGA forums, and it appears that they put stock out once a week, and post to the forum people first. They are only allowing one per household, and at only slightly above MSRP. So I will hang out there, and see if I can snag another 1080

 

@Raiderman Yeah I had to get out of this cookie cutter MSI Codex sauna box lol!

Thanks Mr Fox for hooking me up with a great computer case!

 

@KY_BULLET Sounds like you needed it more than me
@Mr. Fox Thanks for sharing!

 

Just hold on for March to May. We have a potential 14nm Titan X with GDDR6 at the normal prices instead of the Titan V $3k, you have the announcement of the V100 successor, and you have the xx70/xx80 cards coming. If you buy at release without markup, you are going to be happier anyways rather than anything else. GTC and GDC are within a week of each other at the end of March this year. Just hold your horses and you should get something good for your wait. If nothing else, Hynix GDDR6 14Gbps. Samsung 18Gbps doesn't drop until later this year. So chill, especially with the hynix jump being fairly sizeable compared to the 10-12Gbps GDDR5X.

 

I have never been patient when it comes to hardware. I have never, nor will I ever play the proverbial waiting game with computer crap. It is so volatile anyway, and hardware becomes dated so fast, I figure waiting is just silly. I do however appreciate the information greatly though.

On a side note, I did order one of those Evga powerlinks, to see how it would look by getting rid of the unsightly cables from the front facing part of the card. Has anyone else tried one of these?
I have heard some mixed reviews about how they look. For 15 bucks shipping included, I couldnt pass it up!

On another note, I have been thinking of picking up another little SSD to install Windows e"X"crement on, so I could bench some DX12 titles.

 

That PowerLink thing looks pretty cool. Where did you buy it? For $15 I would grab one, too.

 

Sent you a PM

 

I have one of them and they look nice. It can be a bit loose, so be careful in training the cables so it doesn't pull it front or back, but I like not having to put the cables all the way to the top anymore.

 

I got mine on sale for $5-7 or so on EVGA christmas sale on their website, IIRC.

 

I was going to order one directly from Evga, but there shipping is a little ridiculous for something so small. Would have cost me well over $40 after shipping was included.

 

Hence grabbing 2 of them from them on sale made it reasonable. Decided to get a second for when I eventually SLI.

 

WOOOOOT! I did it! Ive been refreshing the page at EVGA, and ordered a Ti...lol For $819!!!
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING
@Mr. Fox the power link was still in my shopping cart from before....lol. I didnt want to waste time with removing it, as I was going as fast as I could through checkout. I will sell it to you for $ 15 shipped if you want it.

 

Sure, that will save me the trouble of ordering one. I sent you some info via PM.

 

Those exact cards are going for $1200 to $1500 on ebay .
I will be selling the 1080 ftw DT now also, so if anyone interested, just pm me. I also offered it to the folks on the EVGA forums.

 

What I find most amazing about it is there are fools that are actually brain dead enough to pay twice to three times what a product is worth. I would be hard-pressed to identify an example of when consumer stupidity has ever been more harmful to the rest of us.

 

Thats why I am super impressed with EVGA and what they are doing for us gamers, techies. They realize that we are their bread and butter, and are trying their best to help us. Not price gouging, and keeping us informed on when stock is about to be released. The 1080 ti's that were released when I snagged mine were sold out in 2 minutes!!!

 

I just redid the Enermax with Coollaboratory Liquid Pro. Because of my fan and pump curves I only see about 3c difference at 4.0 GHz but I can tell you the pump and fan shut down after load to idle much faster and temp gets back to 30c much quicker too.

I had not tested it before where I can state the temps but without the fan and pump curves under load I could not get above 60c. It was easily at 70c+ before. I prefer the quieter system however.

 

My GPU finally arrived yesterday along with this extra motherboard I do not need, excited to be one or 2 steps away from finally putting this thing together. Going to order that copper IHS that Mr. Fox has been talking about as I am not 100% confident in my de-lid I did previously and feel like I may have had too much paste and the IHS shifted a little on the die when putting it into my motherboard so I am afraid something may have leaked out. Going to re-do this de-lid with the better IHS and seal it back up as Mr. Fox has recommended I do.

I went on Overclock.net forums this morning as I have been going there for some help with watercooling and questions I have etc and they have a thread dedicated to the Primochill Vue coolant I bought and was planning on using. Site was down for maintenance the past 2 days, went on this morning and made a post in the thread about the Vue coolant and got a response, when I got to work I tried to thank the person and reply back to them and now it is telling me I am banned for the following reason "no reason specified" and the date my ban will be lifted? "Never". I only have about 50 posts on there and have been going there for extra resources on overclocking and water cooling custom loops and now I can't even access the forums. So annoyed right now.

Does anyone here have experience with custom loops before? Trying to decide what size, and what brand tubing I should be using, if it even really matters. I've seen some reports of people saying certain types of tubing was getting stained by certain liquids or colors etc and I want to make sure I am doing everything right and looks like I got banned for asking about the coolant? I don't even know. I click the contact us button and it tells me I am banned and cannot even load the page so I cannot do anything.

 

That is really odd. I wonder if a moderator clicked the wrong button by mistake. If you never whizzed on anyone's cornflakes or got sassy with the wrong person, it almost has to be some kind of mistake. Sorry that happened.

 

Yeah I've literally only posted there asking questions and being respectful as I am so new to this that I am trying to do and even my post this morning was simply about whether or not it was worth using the coolant I bought, or ditching it and avoiding any possible headache and not even starting with it. I did refer to the coolant as being a "scam" somewhat as a joke because it was advertised as this great coolant that solved all other issues with coolants like it, but once it was released has seemed to have a handful of issues with it and is now being said it is a show coolant and cannot be run for more than 8 hours in a PC and pumps need to be set to low but I definitely don't think that would get me banned lol. I try to be fairly respectful and kind on forums, maybe not back in my day when I was a kid and new to them but now a days I only really use them for stuff I take seriously like this and try to keep a decent enough reputation that I can post on them and get help when needed or help other people and not be some troll. Hopefully it was a mistake I'll just have to see what happens. Made 2 new accounts but emails are not being sent to them so I cannot post anything but I was able to use the contact us form and put in my main account name and email but who knows if I will get any sort of response.

 

@Lunatics They definitely have something going on over there on Overclock.net. I had problems getting logged in so maybe give it a day or 2 and see if you can get back in.