*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

If people have bought it then keep it a long time.

Bad times now buying brand new HW. Not only due the ongoing shortage, but what you get now is yesterdays last decades tech at premium price point. Some throw away well above $1500++ on Intel MB, chips and ram right now. And still sit with the old GPU for this prise point. A high price to pay for overclocking fun and still be beaten by near stock AMD systems in 3D benches. Maybe thing will look brigher in 2022 but don't hold your breath. OC benches on Cpu is fun but there it will stop. It won't help you much in 3D benches with new or old graphics cards. For me it will be more as Is the glass half empty or half full? For me is a full glass the same as 2D and 3D benches.

 

Without overclocking for me it is neither the glass half empty nor half full. It's more like, there is no glass at all. The same as drinking water from the toilet like someone's poorly trained dog. Total waste of time and money for anything fancy if it doesn't overclock. The suckiest piece of crap imaginable is fine if you're going to use it stock. That's about as exhilarating as watching paint dry. This is why purchasing anything made by AMD is totally pointless for me. I've got no use for it if it doesn't overclock like a banshee. I would derive no pleasure from owning it and every day I used it I would be angrier about it than the day before. This is not a slam against AMD. It's a slam against the industry and the overclocking fetish is on me. If that's ever gone, then I'm no longer a PC enthusiast. I'll just use the cheapest BGA piece of crap I can get my hands on.

When yesterday's wimpy trash $150 GPUs like RX 570/580 that nobody wanted are selling for north of $500 then you know there are sad times ahead. Even really crazy, old, old stuff, like a second-hand 780 Ti, is selling for about $300 LOL. That is just totally nuts.

 

When I went to go return the MSI Z590-A Pro, they had another in stock and the geek squad bud of mine was like, "swap the MB and see what truly sucked more: The board or the chip. I'll see you in here next week for the eventual return if it's still a big shiny turd." It's been sitting on my table unboxed since Saturday so I set it up tonight. Replacement doesn't VRM throttle and it handles the B-die so the first was a dud but at least the replacement wants to play.

So I've been playing with the 11700k on it gathering data. The Z590-A Pro doesn't have access to C states or other advanced features of their upper end models like CPU Force (aka SP Rating) and the advanced options are limited. Right now I'm running two of my B-Die sticks @ Cl15-16-16-36-CR2 3600 G1 (the other two are in the MSI x570 Tomahawk @ 14-14-14-28-CR1) and I'll see how strong the IMC is while tightening down the G1 hatches. I think I saw access to terts but I could be wrong as so much is greyed out or not available on their bottom barrel Z590 MB.

I worked with Skatter's 5 min video but I found it just didn't stick or take and no matter what I ended up around ~195w/~66c and stuck clocks. It could be the motherboard though as he was using a better MSI model. The out of box experience was almost the same results he achieved and MSI OC Genie provided better scores @ 252w. In the end, I ended up just setting manual settings (1.45 adaptive, 50x all core) as the goal was 5ghz all core.I'll push it some more as the week unfolds, but so far I'm liking what I see benchmark wise from the 11700k (aka CheapThrills). No throttling either heat or power. Effective clocks held at 5ghz.

Compared to my 5800x the 11700k at 5ghz all core with memory same speed (but worse timings than my 5800x), both at 1:1 on Gear/Fclk and same cooling and thermal paste my 11700k bests my 5800x w/ PBO2 on.

11700k hit around 87c under full load then settled down to 85c once the fans caught up. With PBO2 and some curve optimizations, my 5800x will stay around 74c full load. I can go in and overclock my 5800x with Ryzen Master or Bios settings and hit 4.7+ all core @ 1.4 and it will retake the lead...kinda.

My 5800x smashed my 9900k outright no debate, but this 11700k? They are REAL close to the point you will need to overclock or tweak your 5800x to beat an 11th gen @ 5ghz all core at the cost of almost 2x the pull and ~13c in temps (14nm coming in like a Mack Truck)....

.....Oh, and the USB ports work great on the MSI Z590-A Pro.




11700k (First half of B-Die kit):


5800x (Other half of 32GB B-Die kit):

 

Interesting info. Thank you for sharing it. Motherboard and firmware quality is super important, but it's sad to see such inconsistent QC results on a motherboard. I am not seeing any valid rationale for choosing a Ryzen 5800X over a 11700K. It seems to be a pretty ordinary product by many measurements and what you're seeing simply validates it. The fact that the newer product is so close with one being built on now antiquated technology doesn't get me excited about new technology. And, why would anyone be? It merely reinforces that a newer product that should theoretically be better is inferior due to flaws that too many people are eager to ignore based on the popularized belief that newer is better.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-11700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/4107vs4085

Inconsistency is the world we live in now. Every nook and cranny in the tech realm is marred by it, and it bleeds over into most aspects of our lives that are unrelated to technology. Everything we read, watch, or hear is colored with bias, distorted, or fabricated to manipulate, making information and data as unreliable as the garbage we buy. The self-anointed nitwits that have positioned themselves as leaders and shapers of public opinion are equally worthless and unreliable. What I find most disturbing about it is the fact that more than 10% of the world is willing to comply and accept it all. How did the human race so suddenly become extremely stupid? And, why does recognizing crap and calling it out make those of us that do hateful, racist, insurgents? The call it resistance to change when, in reality, it is resistance to garbage. The tail is wagging the dog.

 

Starting to tighten the timings a bit at @ 3733.

Looking at favored cores, 2x @ 5ghz and the rest @ 4.9ghz. I went in and tried to adjust on a core by core basis and one core managed 5.1ghz (!) and the rest were a wash so it looks like the blessing is this chip can do 5ghz all core small FFT and RB. The curse is that is literally the wall on it. Even running CB15 will bork on single core runs except one core that squeezed out 5.1.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4731372_

 

I am going to put the 10900KF back in the Z490 Dark mobo. It's a tad better than the 10900K in terms of memory overclocking. I don't know if the KF is just a slightly better bin or has a stronger memory controller, or if the Intel graphics impair the memory overclocking somewhat, but that is where the KF is outshining the K. It doesn't overclock the memory with the same degree of stability as the KF does. Maybe because the Intel graphics use shared system memory? Not sure, either way... it is what it is.

So, I asked EVGA Support for a BIOS with the PPD setting exposed and they gave me one. They said they would release a BIOS update that has it. I confirmed working by what MemTweakIt is showing for PPD.

EVGA support is wonderful. I wish all of the vendors were as good.

 

K|NGP|N block auto notify for elite members opens up friday:

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HC-1999-B1

 

Hallelujah! And, way overpriced, LOL. I guess a guy has to do what a guy has to do. Thanks for the heads up. I am eager to get rid of this hybrid cooler.

 

I'm getting this dialed in pretty good. Playing around with adaptive voltage and looks like it should be a nice daily driver setup. Should stay nice and cool while mining 24/7 as well. @Falkentyne any other suggestions for getting the latency lower? As if I really need to?

 

I forgot to mention, I disabled the Intel ME in the BIOS a couple of weeks ago and both the 10900K and 10900KF work better and Windows 10 is more stable with the Intel ME disabled. There is no loss of functionality in terms of overclocking or anything else that I can see.

Maybe I will keep the 10900K in the Z490 Dark. Not sure... maybe I will test these same settings on the 10900KF since it uses a little bit less voltage and the memory overclocking at 4600 and 4700 MHz is totally stable with the 10900KF (not so with the 10900K).

These thermals are really good though. No chiller and my office is 80°F right now. Only 2°C change in load temps after 5 minutes of stress testing. Can't hate that.

Spoiler: BIOS Memory Settings

^^^^^

 

Man that price though.

 

I know, right. So retarded. But, so is everything else. It feels like sanity is rare now.

There must have been some kind of production issue with the contractor making them. This should be available on launch day, not when it is half the way through its life cycle.

 

lol, the pricing fits the the cost theme of modern times I suppose....

I'll end up signing up for notification. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it is the mantra of the day.

I like how elite members get first crack, but they could have taken it to the next level and sent out links directly to registered KPE owners.

 

In the end, the cost of a blocked KPE 3090 will be the same cost as a blocked Red Devil 6900xt Ultimate MSRP (~$2500).....crazy times.

 

100%. It makes no sense that they did not. But, I pitched your idea their way just for giggles.


And, second nice response from EVGA Support. I know they mean well, so I don't have the heart to tell them that I would prefer to have the Intel ME cancer disabled even if it were functioning correctly. It serves absolutely no useful purpose for a consumer PC as far as I can tell... nothing. I think it does serve some potentially nefarious purposes for Nazi control freaks (like laptop manufacturers).

 

Added to the VERY long list as to why I love EVGA as a company. I took a chance on one of their GPUs back in 2006 (two of them) a couple of Geforce cards and they have been in my list of "go to" companies ever since. This is my third KPE card (I skipped the 2080ti) and even the wife has an EVGA 1060 SC in her rig.

She even "took ownership" (her words) of the K|NGP|N shirt that was packed in with my KPE 1080ti!

 

Got on the 3090 KP Hydro Copper auto-notify list at exactly 10:00 AM Pacific.

 

As close as I can get:

 

I've been tweaking and working my way around the MSI BIOS for the 11700k and finally dialed in what will be the final settings and daily drivers.

Final settings: 52,52,51,51,50,50,50,50.
Mem: 3733 G1 15-15-15

It balked a CR1 no matter what.
It won't accept 53x on any core either standard turbo or preferred under meaningful stress tests. It boots into Windows and can pass CPU-Z bench, but it bombs almost immediately on any of the CBs.

I was going to order another 11700k to try but I don't think I will get much more than this one is offering since it is swimming in 11900k waters at least. I'm pretty impressed with that this ~575.00 total price after taxes combo was able to yield performance wise. I'm glad I gave the replacement board a try as the results are like night and day.

At these settings, the 11700k completely outclasses my tweaked 5800x especially with the newest Agesa. The 5800x was winning in single core, but being able to push the 11700k to 5.2ghz it took the lead there too with 100% stability. I'll end up going back in to tighten up the 5800x even more to make it even more competitive but the 11th gen is definitely competitive (well up to 8 cores) with AMD.

I found adaptive straight up yielded the best results as dialing in the vcore still ended up producing the same (or close enough) results at stock LLC including pull (~295w max) and temps actually went down a few degrees and max load across the entire CB, RB and P95 small FFT non AVX = ~86.

I tested it with the full 4x8GB B-Die kit and it worked just as well before I put the two sticks back in the 5800x for more testing.

Final numbers including single and multi runs:

 

Those are good results for 8C/16T, no doubt. If you paid about $575 total for the CPU and mobo as a combo package, that is a super good deal.

 

More 8/16 fun

54,53,53,52,52,52,52,52 with 45x cache

1.425v BIOS LCC6 = 1.31v~ load. Intel overclocking rep said he was going to daily 1.45v so I feel good about this. Rocket Lake can absolutely eat voltage. If I tried this on my CML chip or anything prior it would have instantly hit 90C++. I think it's fun when reviewers compare a RKL 8/16 to a CML 8/16. It ain't even close in terms of perf. RKL main downfall is it's price compared to the outgoing 10900K and it's variants. Best Buy is $549 but those have been out of stock since launch night. Microcenter is attempting to scalp at $699 but no one is biting thank god. I got mine there at $609 but opted for their 2 year warranty which covers overclocking, failures, degradation, etc. I plan to drive mine like I stole it until Alder Lake drops.

 

Rocket Lake core per core is in fact significantly better than Comet Lake. Intel's problem is that they released the i9 11900K as a succesor to the i9 10900K.

The i9 11900K is really a successor to the i7 10700K. If it was marketed as an i7 11750K or whatever and priced like the i7 10700K, then it wouldn't be receiving nearly as much flak. There is no real i9 SKU for the Rocket Lake generation.

I'm looking forward to Alder Lake. I'm very happy that my i7 4930MX has lasted this long, but I'll unfortunately be needing a higher core count CPU to get my 120 fps in newer open world games.

 

This 5900X might just be golden. It is performing better than I expected. I am trying to get those timings are tight as I can @3600. Cinebench R23 currently at 24290pts on hwbot.

 

Yep, that was for the entire combo. I had an 11900k + Strix in the basket even at $610 on Amazon (still available) and suddenly I was over $1k after taxes and I realized my last name isn't Clampett. I just wanted to see how much ooomph I could extract with
true daily driver clocks and with a full set of 4x8gb B-die sticks, it was easy to split them up for each rig for parity. I have my 5800x now running at 3733 1:1 so I'll see if it can take the same timings then get back in there. I'm finding curve optimizing is beyond finicky when
you start to throw real stability tests against it like I did the 11700k and suddenly those -30 curves turn into -15 or below especially when you throw in the bonus boosting (up to 200mhz) while balancing single and multi threaded runs and old school overclocking setting Vcore and frequency manually suddenly has merit but with tradeoffs but that's for another post.....

I love the 8/16 fun!

Nice! This is your SP80? For daily clocks, that is sweet. I need to get back in there and tweak my rfc and cache. I noticed early on when I was nudging the cache up beyond 4ghz the pull and heat broke 300w on some runs. I can get by with 1.45 bios, LLC4 (stock) but I haven't dialed in the exact vcore as regardless of what I set it to, 5ghz CB23 all core is going to pull 295w at ~ 86c on my EVGA CLC 360 AIO. I'm using the integrated graphics as it is still in my test box, but I think I'm going to swap it into my main rig.

Microcenter is in full on Newegg mode where one day the price is $613 then the next $699. Meanwhile Amazon has them in stock at $609 and it's been that way for days. They have their usually "doesn't ship till X date," but they are showing up in less than a week as always. Best Buy is at $549.99 but the 3 verified reviewers lets you know how many they had and sold at that price. I have a stock alert set up on the 11900k from BB and it hasn't tripped once since launch night (where I fell asleep during the 30 min release window). Newegg is "down" to $621.99.

11700k's are down to $395 on Newegg. The problem is getting a decent one if you're overclocking as there's a reason they didn't make it to 11900k status. At least the 11900k gives you some sense of assurance you will be able to hit some baseline numbers out of the box versus the 11700k based on binning.

I'm going to end up picking up an 11900k to play with to compare and contrast with this 11700k as long as total cost is sub $600. I can feel it in my bones already. I'm not sure where my current 11700k ranks in the pantheon of other 11700k's since I have no SP rating or other 11700k's to compare but I'd like to apply the same criteria to an 11900k as I did this 11700k and see where it takes me.

 

Plus 5900x and 5950x are binned better than 5800x too. I'm working @ 3733 16-18-18 atm 1:1 with no whea errors and tm5/memtest passed. I'd like to get it down to 15-15-15 where the 11700k currently resides on the same memory on G1.

That CB R23 score is really nice and does show a better than average sample, kudos!

After you update to the newest BIOS/Agesa, re-run CTR RC5 and see if your chip still registers as golden as many users with their new criteria and defeating BIOS hacks are finding their chips are now silver (or just silver/bronze in general).

 

I ran the CTR RC5 on the latest Gigabyte BIOS, F33 when it claimed it was Golden. But I'll test it again.

 

With that score, stock bios and no adjustments, I can almost guarantee it's golden. I was hoping to maybe see the rare platinum. That's a good chip.

 

Yes, it actually went to SP83 with new ucode 3C. Looking at some of the chips people got this actually seems about average. But as far as clocking goes the chip can pass CB23 5.3Ghz all cores with no problem. It seems like a pretty leaky chip which is great if you have the cooling. Apparently a new ucode is coming soon with a new feature. Not sure if only for i9 or not.

 

I ended up picking up an 11900k for $560 on the bay of fleas to muck around with. Should be here late this week but again this is eBay.....

These do run hot. Watching that 11700k break 300w pushing ring up running CB23 was crazy. Manually locking in vcore and clocks on the 5800x and watching it hit the high 80s and low 90s was also toasty.

For the first time ever I'm seriously considering building out a custom loop.

I thought myself and @Mr. Fox got in the queue pretty early for the KPE 3090 WBs, but apparently we didn't make the cut based on the time stamps of send outs first round.

 

I haven't seen that yet. I was hoping I might get to order one this weekend. Where is that list?

Me...
PartNumber ------ DateEntered ---------------- Notify Sent
400-HC-1999-B1 4/23/2021 10:00: 27 AM PT No

Edit: Found this, but not sure where it came from. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3264665

If this list is official, then it looks like they have people ahead of me on the waiting list when I beat them on signing up. If that's true, then I not very happy about that. All those in bold signed up after me and my name is not even on the list.

Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
as of the time of this post...
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Yep that’s the self reporting queue list members keep so they at least have an idea of where they stand. It doesn’t account for those who don’t report their queue sign up time stamp for record keeping.

It seems 10:00:06 is the first wave cut off time.

 

Where are you seeing this? On EVGA forum?

 

Yep in the EVGA community forums. They usually create self reporting lists for queue sign ups so members can see when other member queues pop to get an idea of when their number might be called.

I thought we got in nice and early but others took it to the next level lol.

Due to its specialized nature, I do expect the list to move better than the KPE 3090 list which has been reduced to a trickle the last month or two.

 

Did you take any more photos? Hopefully, I didn't miss a post that had them. I am still looking forward to seeing them.

How are you liking that massive Lian Li case?

 

https://imgur.com/a/6BTHkJq There you go bro. I am working on a short video montage for the build once I get the status monitor installed.

I really enjoyed building in this case. It is the perfect marriage of functionality and style. If you want an all air cooled system, you can easily do it. If you want a full on, balls to the wall, custom watercooled system, you can do that too. Plus the amount of mods, disco plates and etc available for this case (more so for the non-XL version) is crazy. I give it an 8.5 out of 10. I wish they put in at least one drain port hole in it.

As for its size. It isn't as large as I thought it would be. I love me some huge ass cases. This is smaller than the ones I normally build in for myself.

 

Do it. I love creating custom watercooled PC's. Even after hundreds of custom loops over the years, I still get that fuzzy feeling when everything is working. I am knocking on wood but even after all of this time, I never had any of my builds leak. I could be lucky or as the saying goes, measure twice and cut once.

For the beginner, go with soft tubing. It is much more forgiving and less expensive (not by much though). Pickup a kit if you don't want to go crazy with tubing and fitting sizes. High quality radiators will last you through multiple builds. Don't go nuts on CPU/GPU waterblocks. Get a D5 pump. Nothing else. None of my D5 pumps have ever failed on me but I had multiple DDC pumps fail.

 

It looks really fantastic. Great job bro. Are you using the Ruggard dry cabinet for something relating to it, or is it merely doing double-duty as a sturdy stand for the case?

It surprises me to hear that it's not as large as the other cases you normally use. I like massive tower cases a lot better than smaller ones myself. What cases do you normally use that are larger, and which one of the larger cases is your favorite overall?

Amen to all that. Excellent advice from a man who knows what he's doing. And yes, D5 is the only way to fly on the pumps.

@electrosoft - Additional Tips: I buy my tubing from Home Depot and that saves a lot of wasted expense on overpriced flexible tubing sold for PC cooling. Even a 50 ft roll of the stuff from Home Depot is a lot less expensive than 10 ft of the overpriced tubing they repackage for sale as flexible tubing for PC cooling. Other than not having the tubing dimensions printed along the sides of it, there is nothing different or special about what they sell for PC cooling that I can identify.

Compression fittings have a very sophisticated and polished look to them. I do like them for that reason. However, if you're on a tight budget, using barb fittings with ordinary spring clamps can save a crap ton of money. The only advantage to the compression fittings is aesthetics.

 

The Ruggard is used for my lenses and ammo. I only placed the build there so I could take better shots of the case.

One of my favorite massive cases are the EVGA DG-86/87. They include a temp probe that can be modded for water temperature. It is a very large case that didn't get the respect it deserves. I loved caselabs, unfortunately, as we all know they went out of business.

 

I tried to like the DG-87 but once I had it and took it apart and analyzed it top to bottom I really did not care for it. Just too much heft and bulk in the wrong places. A monolithic design in an odd way. I'd like to see an updated design in an extended ATX case more
streamlined with the same basic design and ports/LED readout on the bottom.

 

New 11900k installed on test rig with nothing changed w/ cmos reset (used the same saved profile) at same settings of 11700k.

CB23 multi run:

11700k @ 5ghz adaptive = 295w / 1.456 pull (Ring defaulted to 4000) max temp 86
11900k @ 5ghz adaptive 258w / 1.336 pull (Ring defaulted to 4300) max temp 76

If I pushed the 11700k ring up to 4100+, it would pull over 300w and temps would hit the 90s.

I'll give it a clean install later and play around with it. Just wanted to open it up and take a look and make sure it was new, pop it in and make sure it was working.

Again, for a budget board, this MSI Z590-A Pro is holding it down quite nicely (well, the replacement one) @ 189.95.

It made the top half of better VRMs in testing from Hardware Unboxed:

 

Wow, that is a big difference in power draw between the i7 11700K and the i9 11900K at the same load. The silicon quality in the i9 11900K must be much better since it can achieve the same clock speeds at a significantly lower voltage than the i7 11700K. That 37 watt difference in power draw is a good savings.

 

It was even higher on the 11700k with the ring pushed up to 4100 I hit 305w and temps were in the 90s. I can't even imagine the scorcher it would be trying to match the 4300 on the 11900k.

I know we all know the 11700k's are lesser binned 11900k's but damn..... I was glad it could at least do 5ghz all core and pass every stress test but the 360 AIO was at 100% whereas the 11900k is at 75% (since it never made it to 80 to trip up).

I also wanted to see how the 11700k did @ 4.5ghz all core to see how close it would match my 9900ks in my P870TM I have at 1.075v and pulls ~99w under full load on average running CB20, but the 11700k wouldn't run less than 1.2v and pulled ~170w which lends me to believe in an X170KM those fans would be somewhat active. I'll sort out the highs/lows of this one over the next few days and see where it lands when all is said and done.

 

It seems like the difference is similar to 10850K versus 10900K. Same performance potential except for the lesser CPU being a poor silicon sample (perhaps somehow identified by Intel as being a major loser in the silicon lottery, thus "awarded" the lower model number). Probably something that is ultimately fine for a gamer-boy on a limited budget that runs the CPU stock as long as the thermals are not totally out of control, but a really lousy option for anyone that cares about overclocking.

 

It is really unfortunate that those massive EVGA cases are no longer available. Choosing a case is probably the most horrible part of building a PC. The prices are all over the board and I've never found one that I would consider being on the verge of perfection. There are always at least one or two things that you wish were different on the best of the best, and those one or two things are often (at least for me) total deal-breakers that make something otherwise pretty awesome totally unacceptable.

If a person were going to do a build using a case, the darkFlash DLX21 Mesh looks like a truly excellent value in a large case for less than $110. I normally DO NOT like white. While I would choose black for anything I would build for myself, the white looks really nice, too.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MTBXBV9

 

Intel Core i7-11700KF Review - Almost as Fast as the 11900K techpowerup.com

Then page 23 - Clock Frequencies and Overclocing

As mentioned before, the Core i7-11700KF has its multiplier unlocked—thanks to the "K" suffix, which means you're free to set any desired multiplier you want.

My highest really stable overclock turned out to be 4.9 GHz. I really wanted 5.0, but couldn't get it fully stable, no matter the voltage. While Windows and most apps would run fine all day, Prime95 stability testing showed errors within a few seconds.

Looking at the performance results, we can see that most scenarios do gain from the manual overclock, partly because the CPU actually barely reaches the promised 5.0 GHz boost, and rather ends up at 4.9 GHz most of the time at default with lightly threaded workloads.

With all 8 cores chips as only top dog chips, intel have to differentiate the cream vs the leftovers. They bin as hard they can to justify the higher price tag. It's what it is.

 

Sounds about right and I wouldn't doubt it. His 11700k was a poorer example than mine. I managed to get my 11700k stable @ 5ghz all cores but it was sucking down juice like an athlete but still managed to stay in the 80's under full load as long as ring was <=4100. It ended up 52,52,51,51,50,50,50,50 but the EVGA CLC 360mm was getting a full 100% workout. It could boot and handle 5.1 all thread light loads (CPU-Z bench for example), but as soon as something like CB20 or CB23 was started it was game over.

My 5800x tops out at 4.7ghz @ 1.4v for a traditional approach to pass my criteria (CB15, CB20, CB23, Aida, RB Stress, Prime95 Small FFT non-AVX). Using PBO2 and curve optimizing -15 all curve nets about the same (4674) but runs cooler and allows better per thread boosting up to 5049 depending on stress level but CB20 single and dual thread rooted out instabilities and I don't do "game stable."

I'll see where this 11900k and the $160 premium over the 11700k I paid takes me over the next few days but disregarding the beating my AIO took benching, the 11700k is not a bad chip at sub $400 if you got the VRMs and cooling to handle it.

This channel is one of my favorites. He loves WoW and combines it with normal and extreme benching:

 

Microcenter is down to $369.99 for the 11700K. Pretty good value really. Now that i9 need to come down to reality from it's insane scalper price of $699.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...ake-36ghz-eight-core-lga-1200-boxed-processor

 

At that price, if you can land one that will do 5ghz all core, that's a killer deal as it equals or beats a 5800x. I'll be returning my 11700k since I have the 11900k now to play around with. $699 is crazy town.
I even balked a little @ $560.00 for the one I picked up but the next price lower was an ES sample.

According to "reports" Intel will face shortages next month on 11th gen wafers and stock may dry up / prices increase. Ok......

 

EVGA 3060 Queue popped:



~2 month queue is relatively short as I still have cards that have been sitting in there since December.