*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

My local Microcenter had restocked some 3060's and 3060Ti's all gone before I even finish my shift at work lol

 

Nice. Congrats, bro.

Now, if I can get that KP Hydro Copper, then I will also be happy, LOL.

Edit: I just checked and it still says "No" on notify sent.

 

I did the ride up thing to two of our Microcenters before and that is a lot of camping and a lot of waiting to hope the truck brings in something good and realize there are some who will gladly sit out all night (or close to it) for the chance at ANYTHING regardless of price.

When you're only willing to pay so much for certain models coupled with the wait, hope and pray of the truck drops that quickly became tiresome. It was exciting a *few* times to ride to the St Davids (~1hr away) and not so exciting trying the Patterson store (~2.5hrs away). Maybe I'm just getting to old for this $*%() (In my best Danny Glover voice)

The self reporting list doesn't bode well because while that will let you know where you stand moving wise, it doesn't report all who have queued up. I know you're one second in front of me so when you get yours I know I shouldn't be far behind but the first batch stopped at 10:00:06 and I'm 10:00:28 with plenty of queues in between. If you queued up >=10:01 you might as well settle into the long haul like plenty of KPE 3090 queue members are realizing.

Look at the KPE 3090 self reporting list. They still haven't filled orders from 12/21/2020 (!) KPE's are going for 3.5-4k+ on eBay now even used and they aren't even listed en masse. We complained about the pricing but in hindsight we kind of lucked out.

Still can't lock down an AMD 6800/6800xt/6900xt at MSRP and they rarely show up on the Shuffle compared to Nvidia cards.

 

I cannot believe they sold that many 3090 KPE GPUs in light of the product shortages. I hope they cull the names of anyone with whom there is no record of having purchased a 3090 KPE directly from EVGA. Otherwise, dishonest Elite members will be scalping Hydro Copper blocks.

Anyone that has not purchased a 3090 KPE directly from EVGA and/or does not have an invoice from EVGA with their personal identification details on it should be pushed off the list entirely, or at least moved to the bottom after.all that do.

If it is going to be a long wait, maybe OptimusPC will come through. I'd rather have their GPU block anyhow, but I would take whichever one I can get my hands on first.

This may be my last GPU purchase. I may just use what I have until it fails (CPUs and mobos included)... however long that takes. The costs are too great, with too little benefit to be gained in return. Not to mention all the hassles and nonsense that surrounds us. I am just so not into all of the dumbass drama that we are having to put up with. I think my money would be better spent on firearms and ammo anyhow. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

Right there with ya. And it's a new hobby the wife is in total support of.

 

5800x PBO2 vs 11900k ABT vs 11700k manual (52,52,51,51,50,50)

In the end, they are all basically in the same neighborhood....

Gear1 and Fclk1 @ 3733 (memory is actually a little tighter on the 5800x)

Depending on chip quality, 11700k is a sleeper hit at $369.99.

No AVX offsets:

5800x PBO2 topped out at ~150w
11700k manual topped out at ~295w
11900k ABT topped out at ~335w

Still tweaking the 11900k. I was able to get 5.2 all core and 5.4 single going but the heat and pull is outrageous. Zero crashes or BSODs (like the 11700k past 5ghz all core) at 5.2 running all my stressors just bouncing off of thermal walls so decent. Since realistically I will never hit a thermal wall D2D, I am going to shoot for 5.4, 5.3, 5.3, 5.3,5.2 x 4. It has much more potential than the already excelling 11700k but I don't know if it has 50% more expensive potential.

Going to go back in and test CO vs manual on the 5800x again.

5800x:


11900k:


11700k:

 

I just purchased a 5800X to put in a spare parts gaming build I'm going to put up for sale locally through Craigslist/apps. I am curious to see where it ranks with yours.

 

Sadly I am a wage slave, I cant hang out at Microcenter for days to spend money lol.

I am selling a bunch of PC's locally that I came into recently, i'll just pay the scalp prices for a few 5700 XT's to mine with when I have the funds for it. That all being said it has raised my desire for 5950x and 6900XT for my personal system but time will tell. Im only willing to get what I want, which is the PowerColor 3 slot card, the 5700XT iteration has served me well.

Thats been something I have wanted to experience for a while now, just never get around to it. I heard even that genre of products the prices for ammunition have been climbing as well?

 

That case is so popular and superb, bonus is it's not a full heavy case due to AL metal chassis it was the perfect case, I calculated most of the things for this case like the CPU HS clearance for NHD15, but I did one biiiig oversight. The case has no HDD cooling. Absolutely none.

I have these WD Red drives both 5400RPM and 7200RPM ones quite a lot and when was searching for something else like HDD rattle since apparently there are no dampers / anti-vibration washers for HDDs in the accessories pack for O11D XL. So having them in close proximity (4x HDDs) without any sort of cooling alarmed me, and when I searched there were only a few people mentioning this, some reviews on NewEgg did mention but it's a big blunder on Lian Li that they ignored this completely. Enterprise grade HDD platter drives have 60C as max temps for operation from the datasheets published for instance if we plug 4x Seagate Exos 7200RPM or WD Red Pro or Gold high capacity 8TB-16TB drives. They are going to cook themselves and die since they will go over 50C (for instance even an unshucked WD Easystore 8TB hovers at 43C idle that's a plastic box with only slits for a desk, it's a WD Red 5400RPM one), operating these drives at such high temps will reduce their efficiency and longevity for sure.

There's only one thread on O11D not XL where people put fans to cool them with a small pair of Noctua 40mm fans directly with the help of the metal plate, but on the D XL the sled that Hotswap bays use have a handle, I couldn't find any information on that whether we can remove the sled handles so that we can put Noctua NFA4x10mm PWM fans (40mm fans) maybe we can put 60mmx25mm fans they are even better but they have to fit there. Didn't open the box since I don't have a GPU and HW parts -- Waiting for Z590 Dark to show up I doubt that a non EVGA member like me could even buy the damn board it's now coming in May afaik, and X570 Crosshair VIII Dark Hero never comes in stock at all, while was searching on r/AMD if people still have any issues with 1.2.0.2 Agesa and looks like they still have them, a simple usb search showed users reporting.

Sent a query to Lian Li with my purchase and still no reply, been more than 5 days. Just sent another, if there's nothing from them I will open it and check. If it doesn't have a chance then gotta look at other alternatives, only good and properly priced case that I could find is a heavy damn case from Fractal, Meshify 2XL.

If you do not mind can you please check if the HDD sled handles can be removed or not ? Thanks.

 

My 5800x is actually a little better than the ones I've been looking at in various owner threads where they're netting slightly sub 6000 (or more) scores of on CB23. Single thread boost is right in line @ 4.85ghz.

If the chip won't pass CB15, CB20, CB23 (single and multi), Aida, Realbench 2.56 and Prime95 small fft (non-avx) it doesn't count. I'm not really into outlier scores that can't be supported day to day or "game stable."

I haven't manually tweaked the 11900k yet or the CO/Manual of the 5800x either. I know at one point I saw the 11900k pulling ~375w when playing around with 5.2/5.3 all core runs which is a testament to this motherboard which didn't throttle at all. Using Ryzen Master (basically XTU), my 5800x caps around 4.7ghz all core which translated the same in BIOS. Inversely core optimizing saw ~4.674ghz as the sweet curve passing all stability tests. I could boost to 5049 with +200mhz on single cores, but I had to start backing off even -15 as single/dual runs started to error out on CB20 runs. I'll need to lock down on favored cores and see if I can get them to hold. That would be the optimal with boost to 5ghz for single/dual threaded and ~4.7ghz all core.

The fastest gaming setup for AMD seems to be a 5950x with the weaker ccx disabled as you end up with a highly binned 5800x and cache and you take the bite out of the pretty poor lows with a dual chiplet design.

 

I had a 5950x at the point of "click to purchase," on amd.com during the last major drop and poof, it was gone. That was a major bummer. I would definitely love to give a 5950x + 6900xt combo a go. Seeing how beastly the 5950x is gaming wise when you disable one chiplet is pretty savage. At least in WoW it is major gains both high and especially the lows.

I was born and raised around guns both casual and hunting. At the least, find a local gun club and go down and test fire a few select firearms with a competent instructor.

 

Yeah I really wanted the 3950x but held off for the 5950x, 6900XT doesnt do much for me I guess at 1080p but maybe at some point I may look to finally get one of those 21:9 3440x1440p panels but who knows. Cant be worse than my 5700XT at 1080p144hz and I can turn around let that mine for ethereum, me and my brother in law are interested to get into this even if it is a bit late.

Yeah for me I guess its been the opposite, no weapons at all. I dont particularly have a desire to ownership at this point but on occasion I do like to continue writing, bit of a kill time/hobby but I hit a wall as I cant objectively write about the use of weapons so I've been stunted until I have the funds to try various weapons so I may more accurately write about it. Im not terribly creative, and I also do like the saying. Get your facts first, then distort them at your leisure.

 

6800xt clearly dominating the KPE 3090 in World of Warcraft (No RT) in extreme CPU and some GPU overclocking results.
6900xt would just extend that lead even more. Shadowlands is an AMD sponsored title, but still if WoW is your game and RT is not for you nice.

Plus it has been six months now that Nvidia drivers, Blizzard (or a combo of both) broke the drivers and Shadowlands still flickers all over the place especially Bastion.

 

@Mr. Fox Say hello to tomorrows tech. Power efficient phone cores in desktop chips will be the next BIG Apple and Microsoft is probably some of the big "companies" demanding this type tech for next round of thin and slim.


AMD Zen 5 "Strix Point" Processors Rumored To Feature big.LITTLE Core Design

AMD launched the 7 nm Zen 3 microarchitecture which powers Ryzen 5000 processors in late 2020, we expect AMD to follow this up with a Zen 3+ on 6 nm later this year and a 5 nm Zen 4 in 2022. We are now beginning to receive the first rumors about the 3 nm Zen 5 architecture which is expected to launch in 2024 in Ryzen 8000 series products. The architecture is reportedly known as "Strix Point" and will be manufactured on TSMC's 3 nm node with a big.LITTLE core design similar to the upcoming Intel Alder Lake and the Apple M1. The Strix Point lineup will consist exclusively of APUs and could feature up to 8 high-performance and 4 low-performance cores which would be less than what Intel plans to offer with Alder Lake. AMD has allegedly already set graphics performance targets for the processors and that they will bring significant changes to the memory subsystem but with rumors for a product 3 years away from launch take them with a healthy dose of skepticism.

 

That kind of utterly hopeless, abject, and incurable stupidity makes me think of this...

Sounds way too familiar.

 

I know a lot of you think the whole big-little design is stupid, but here's the way I think about it:

At first glance, yes it seems stupid. On the flip side, anything that increases efficiency is a good thing. It's much like shrinking the process node. Every step of the evolution of hardware gives us something new that also usually gives us faster and/or more efficient processors. Plus, there's no reason to waste power when doing light tasks like web browsing or other office grade tasks. If low power cores can achieve the same performance in those applications while using much less power than a big core would, that's a good thing. The less power that's required overall, the more power we can divert to the big cores to push those overclocks higher.

Additionally, how many of us genuinely NEED more than 8 big cores? I'm still good with a quad core, although admittedly that may change in the next few years. I'll probably be needing an octa core in the next 2 years, but I don't see many of us genuinely needing more than that for a long while.

I'm just looking at this from a practical and pragmatic standpoint. I say give the technology a chance first before ridiculing it because it may in fact turn out to be highly beneficial on both laptops AND desktops. If it does indeed suck, then we can give it the ridicule it deserves.

 

I can totally respect that sentiment. It is perfectly logical, but it might not be practical or may prove to be total folly after we have already reached a point of no return. If it sucks then we will definitely have something to mercilessly ridicule and derive some of the pleasure lost by making fun of it and ridiculing the losers that made it happen on our watch.

The pragmatic part of me also identifies with what happens when you give an inch... they take a mile. A relatively perfect example of what kind of nonsense happens when you let it happen is the endless supply of digital trash that we're buried up to our eyeballs in, and there is no shortage of stupid people that think it's smart and/or OK. BGA filth is one element of that. A little bit of leaven... It's unfortunate that those who know better have to put up with it.

 

When you castrate 50% of its potential, then I can't see this as a great achievements for the future. And I can't see 8 big cores as a progress, regardless if you get 8 small cores without HT on top. We have had 16/32 threads a long time now for mainstream.

You think you can be able to overclock the big cores much higher because of the small cores? Not the way it works. And Little cores probably also means Intel don't need to create bigger dies than needed. little.BIG design is in short for notebooks/tablets. But this is all we have and hence it has to be in desktops as well. Alder Lake-S next Gen for Desktops & Mobile


Intel Tiger Lake-U Refresh is coming to bridge the gap until Alder Lake processors arrive

 

I definitely get this. Ideally, we should get cores that can be either super power efficient or super powerful depending on your needs. They should just merely switch modes to max efficiency or max performance depending on your workload. I don't know if this would be cost effective or practical though since it would require a completely new design.

This is the next step in the evolution of the hardware. Instead of having 2 different types of cores, they should be merged into one with the capabilities of both.

 

In all honestly, if it doesn't overclock really well and bench nicely then I just don't care about it one way or the other and won't have an iota of interest in wasting any money downgrading to whatever trash comes next. They can kiss my butt, LOL.

I don't do new tech because it's new. I only do new tech that does what Mr. Fox wants it to do better. Spending my money on anything else makes me an idiot. It makes anyone else that does the same thing an equally idiotic person.

 

If anyone is interested in messing with an RX 580 8GB, 60 USD. Limit 1 per account.

Its ebay so if its fake just get your money back per the usual channels

I got 5 through various means, plan to use them to get an understanding of mining and will likely sell later locally.

EDIT: Attempting to get a time stamped picture of a card, will cancel by end of business if its fake.

 

Dang, that is cheap. Thanks for the link.

 

Been doing more digging, stating to lean towards being fake. going to remove the link now.

Seems people are just using the same 3-4 pictures to sell cards on hacked or deliberately malicious accounts.

 

EVGA Z590 FTW goes on elite member only queue at 1pm EST, but $429.99 was quite the sticker shock for me as I remember paying sub $250 for my Z390 FTW. That's entering top half of Asus pricing. Trying to imagine what the Z590 Dark will be. I think I'll pass on this and stick with my MSI Z590-A Pro $189.99 budget board.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=121-RL-E597-KR

 

And more market insults as Newegg has firmly embraced the "COMBOS FOR ALL!" approach now the last 2-3 shuffles and almost everything is a combo (this time, the 5900x is up no combo but two other combos with it).

 

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p...2490&cjevent=d9958a2da90e11eb81ae4e870a1c0e10

Dark Matter by Monoprice 49in Curved Gaming Monitor - 32:9, 1800R, 5120x1440p, DQHD, 120Hz, AMD FreeSync, Quantum Dot, VA

800 USD

Seems incredibly cheap for what it is, my pockets arent so deep though

 

It's very expensive, but so were the X299 Dark, Z490 Dark and the ASUS overclocking mobos I have purchased. I will say this much...

I just purchased a new open-box ASUS Rog Strix Z490-H mobo from NewEgg for $100 below its normal $250-300 price range. (I know, I said I hate ASUS, and I still do... even more now. ) I think it is no better than the bottom-feeder Prime Z490M-Plus budget turdboard. It looks a lot better and has more features. So, from that aspect it is an improvement. HOWEVER, it is not really worth the normal retail price. It sucks at overclocking. Even the chintzy Prime Z490M-Plus handles 4 sticks at 4000 with tight custom timings with no issues. The Strix has trouble booting the 4000 XMP profile with all 4 slots populated. I would have been really upset if I had paid retail for this Strix turdboard. I had the same RAM issues with the ASUS Maximus and Rampage motherboards working great with 2 sticks and being garbage with 4 sticks.

It's humorous that the super-cheap Prime motherboard handles memory overclocking with all 4 slots filled better than a ROG mobo that costs $200 more.

Maybe Brother @Falkentyne knows what the secret is to get ASUS ROG mobos to function properly with 4 XMP modules installed. If so, I am all ears. I had no issues with 4 sticks in the Gigabtye AORUS Master or X299 Dark, so it seems like a common defect on the ROG junk.

If you're in it for overclocking, I am going to have to say the EVGA Dark, while overpriced, is really impossible to beat. I'd say it is worth it. Everything an ASUS enthusiast board aspired to in terms of build quality, but minus the ASUS reliability and QC problems, and absolutely atrocious, horrible warranty service. The EVGA boards are darned-near bulletproof. I have never owned a FTW board, but they seem to have a lot of similarities to the Dark boards.

Yeah, way too rich for my blood and not something I can find a way to accommodate in my budget. I simply do not value having an ultra-high quality display highly enough to justify the cost and I don't need (from a business perspective) anything like that in my profession. My 3 x 1920*1080 144Hz AOC panels give me 5760*1080 worth of screen real estate for work and with NVIDIA Surround I can game with the same. That's more than enough for my purposes.

 

Yup. It turned out to be cancelled as a suspected scam. I ordered one, LOL. I figured I could flip it on Craigslist and make a few bucks. Now I will have to wait for a refund unless it turns out to actually be legit. Not likely.

Edit: I hope all of the scammers suddenly get sick and kick the bucket. The world would be a better place without their defective DNA.

Just got this from eBay. That didn't take long.

Um... yeah, OK. That PayPal user name certainly looks like someone from Oregon (LoL)

 

It's really bonkers on what I'm seeing in the PC DIY market like Intel removing 2C4T and price hikes. I cannot imagine what Alder Lake will unleash, they will 100% have DDR4 and DDR5 segmentation crap and add PCIe Gen 4/5 as well. I don't want to even buy them and end up being experimental guinea pig. Big point is with that ADL BigLittle Hybrid design, it will wreck havoc on Win10 scheduler, with the known issues that Win10 updates have and on top with such highly varied x86 design on LGA1700, it's going to be peak clown show. Then we add the loss of x86 instruction set on the small pathetic cores like AVX512 and other features, what about TVB ? Adaptive boost and all, more segmentation drama incoming. And then you have DDR5 market availability and penetration. And 8C/16T + 8C = 24Cores to combat AMD's 16/32T mainstream processors esp the SMT of Ryzen is superior to Intel Hyperthreading in Production and other multi-threaded workloads. Also I feel you are 100% right that M$ is probably demanding that cancerous trash because they want people to be dumbed down by the BGA use and throw Surface trash.

But what about HEDT, so far IceLake SP processors have XCC dies from 28C Cascade Lake SP to 40C now, and somewhat improved efficiency so probably we will see some sort of HEDT ? since Mesh doesn't eat a power supply for breakfast this time, still the peak performance and boost clocks are lower than outgoing 14nm Cascade Lake processors and overall performance is worse than EPYC Milan refresh and it loses out to Anandtech's SPEC suite vs ARM based Ampere's Altra80 core processor (SPEC is not at all my measure of scale but in that synthetic loads it's losing out), I'm not even sure which BS Lake needs to be taken into account and that Cove as well too much of confusion by Intel. Anyways Threadripper 4000 Genesis Peak will crush IceLake based 10nm designs I guess.

The AMD rumor is far in the future with APUs for that Hybrid crap and to combat Apple probably at-least by this time AMD consumers will not face the issues that Intel buyers will face due to the Hybrid disaster LGA1700 has. There's also one more rumor that next gen Ryzen may have iGPU integrated wasting the die space just like Intel mainstream designs.

All these board manufacturers raised the prices way higher. The new Maximus XIII Extreme is $899. Then we have the new GB Aorus Z590 Xtreme at $850 (for reference X570 Xtreme is $699) so what is that extra cost ? is that Dual Thunderbolt connectors on ASUS and GB boards cost that much ? along with 10G LAN but Z590 Master on the other hand has 10G LAN under $500, now looking at Maximus XIII Hero it's at $429 it also has Dual Thunderbolt ports and Dual 2.5G LAN too, ESS Sabre DAC AMP combo is also same vs Extreme. And EVGA Z590 FTW is not compatible with Noctua DH15 series to note, personally I think EVGA Z590 Dark is top class Z590 board. Even the PCIe slot spacing is proper on that vs Z590 Maximus Hero and Apex, even Extreme, that small x1 slot plus an SLI 3090 combo option in theory.

 

Well, I think a few things come into play with the pricing:

• Because they CAN (and they are not afraid to abuse the privilege)
• Because the consumer-level gamer trash market is tight margin with low profits on junk made for children
• Because they actually invest in better components, more layers in the PCB, more robust power phases and things like that that do matter
• Because they add features like extra power connectors for PCIe, two or more BIOSes and switches, DIP switches, LN2 support, on-board power and reset, Q-code LEDs, etc.
• Because they actually spend money on research needed to have an extreme overclock-centric design, like memory traces (something they do not do on consumer trash)

 

Yeah I called ebay and notified them that the pictures were the very same from another listing verbatim and that it was a month old at that point (not to mention, also a scam)

After having seen the evidence (old and new) they removed the listing. I was hoping more to just play with a few of them, maybe mess with mGPU in DX12/Vulkan in my Precision 7810 as well as figure out the whole mining pipeline. Thats fine, just have to save up for the Radeon VII or some 5700XT's.

Immediately after though I ran into some GTX 1060's for 75 USD, looked into it, same thing. Just another scam, turns out from what I have been reading anyway that this is a currency scam. The time between you purchasing the product and finally getting a refund, the scammer some how comes out ahead. I didnt look into it much further, had to get back to work lol

 

Well, I finally got it to boot with all 4 sticks at 4000, but it is slower. I had to give it more DIMM voltage. The XMP default was too low. This is with 2 sticks at 4500.


It definitely looks better than the low-budget Prime mATX board.

 

I have a DG-87 collecting dust in the closet. I used it for maybe a week. The thing is massive, but the aesthetics are terrible. Funky concave contours on top that are supposed to be stealth like, but are an ugly uneven look. Tried to sell it several times, but no serious offers.

 

How much would you be willing to take for it? Shoot me a PM and I might find a home for it unless it's too much dinero or the shipping cost is too ginormous.

 

A good ride into the coming Intel (phone) core processors Yeah, he has a reason to be sceptical.

 

Yes, it is a very unique looking case but I don't think it is ugly. It far different than 95% of the cases out there and the watercooling support is outstanding. The amount of rads it supports is crazy.

 

I didn't even knew this EVGA case until today, I mean I saw the section of them at EVGA but didn't explore them at all. Wow it just looks superb to me, that unique look and massive space for all the stuff and the cabling neatly tucked under with loads of ventilation. Dang, they should have made these cases more. Somehow it looks high quality too.

 

Intel Core i7 11700KF processor review - Final Words & Conclusion guru3d.com | Today

Tweaking
You will have noticed that we have left out the overclocking chapter. Despite being an unlocked model, this processor would not even take an extra 200 MHz (4800 MHz on the all-core frequency). After fiddling, trying, and spending way too much time we forfeited, left things at defaults, and walked away agonized. This also makes me write a warning, you need to carefully consider if paying more for a K model is worth it for you. The problem, however, is that the non-K model (a regular 11700) normally would have been the way to go. However Intel was smart here, the K models are 125W and have a far higher base clock, 1100 MHz higher(!). The non-K/KF models are configured as 65W parts. So as far as 11700KF goes, this still is the best part performance/price-wise within the 11700 range.

 

It has incredible build quality. It is heavy and solid. It was one of those cases I admired from afar but as soon as I had one and took it apart and really analyzed it, the cons outweighed the pros for me and it had to go. I had it for a couple of months, out of the case, on my other desk really trying to see if it would work for me.

It was what I'd call a showpiece case where you build out and pretty much that's it and have it on display. The way I'm constantly in and out of my cases tinkering, it wasn't as accessible all around and wide open as my Phanteks or Corsair 540.

Of course if we all liked and disliked cases equally there would only be a few on the market versus the seemingly endless variations available.

 

True, I've been googling 11700k overclocks and I realize the 11700k I had (returned it yesterday) was a rare bird being able to hit 5ghz stable all core and rock solid at 52,52,51,51,50,50,50,50 and pass my massive suite of stress tests I use to consider a chip stable. It was loud and hungry and required 1.456 pull under load but then again so are 11900k's when you put them under all thread stress tests they turn into 250-375w furnaces once you hit 5ghz+.

Depending on price (sub 400) even 4.8 all core isn't bad. It is well known the 11700k aren't binned that great and you're only promised 4.6 all core. $369.99 is getting right where it should be. $621.99 for the 11900k is still outlandish.

Looks like the 11900k I picked up is going to top out at 5.2 all core and 5.4 single which is more than fine by me: 54,53,52,52,52,52,52,52 on my nice cheap budget board. ABT was 53/51 so even the built in boosting algorithm was pretty close out of the box. That's actually better than the 10900k I had running in December which topped out at 53,53,52,52,51,51,51,51. It was running on an air cooler though.


The plus side of 11th gen gaming and normal "regular" day to day tasks and the draw is right in line (or close enough) to Ryzen chips and the overall 1% and .1% lows of the 11900k are better and depending on the game (as always), sometimes the overall lead is substantial (see: CP2077). Testing with WoW, pull was 75w? That was with ABT on. Running custom 5.4 it went to 83w. Fans are nice and quiet.

Next project: Retest the 5800x with the B550m as this Tomahawk is just getting worse with each (perpetually beta) bios updates and the USB ports still don't work properly.

 

@Mr. Fox

Early results of the HCWB are trickling in starting from this post on: https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3271351

Main benefits seem to be everyplace else (mem, tjunc, etc..) but the GPU die, but if you're going to run it chilled that will make a major difference.

 

Looks truly amazing to me. The issue it presents for me is my office is too small and it is so massive that I literally have no place it would fit. I got the measurements and tried every conceivable option and the darn thing is so massive that the only place it could go is on the floor under my desk. It certainly doesn't help that I have 4 monitors and use all of them all day. That really hogs an abnormal amount of space. But, I love how stinking gigantic it is and wish my office was more spacious so I could accommodate it.

I totally get what you are saying, but I am so spoiled by the affection I now have for an open bench setup that almost any case seems like an inconvenient pain in the bottom to me now. Even thinking about using an enclosed case bugs me a little bit now. I absolutely love the unrestricted access to anything and everything on the system without having to move or remove other parts to gain access. I also really like the geek factor of the open bench aesthetic. It just oozes geek to me, LOL. Everyone that comes to my house has an OMG! What in God's name is THAT kind of reaction when they see it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like that reaction.

The only downsides to an open bench are the insane dust associated with living here and the fact that there is literally no place to hide anything. It has taken a lot of effort and creativity to maintain an element of neatness and order to the rat's nest of cables. I think I have used more Velcro and zip ties to keep things tidy-looking on my Praxis Wetbench than I would use on 4 or 5 normal computers.

I am entertaining going back to a case only for my work computer because I don't tinker with it like I do my benching rig. Having the uninhibited convenience to mess with it on a frequent and ongoing basis is not too important. I don't need it to be connected to a chiller so it can run abnormally cool and I am not trying to use it to set any kind of overclocking records. I do only a moderate daily overclock of the CPU and RAM, use it for work and maybe play a few random games (as seldom as I do that anymore). I am thinking more along the lines of case lets me have a place to stuff all the innards out of sight so I can just put it out of the way to free up space.

And, then I do not have to worry about it getting coated with a layer of Phoenix dirt on a daily basis. The humidity is so close to zero here that the entire computer is literally like a big electromagnet that sucks all of the dust out of the air onto itself. And, I don't have to worry about anything falling on it and breaking something, or splashing anything on an exposed mobo or other electronic components. A few weeks ago I stumbled over my own feet walking into my office and dropped a completely fully 52 ounce styrofoam soft drink cup onto my desk and totally drenched the binning bench with about a quart of Diet Dr. Pepper, LOL. Miraculously, nothing got destroyed in the process. I don't know how it survived. I was a very lucky klutz that day. It's a good thing I only drink diet soda. I cannot imagine what a horrible mess that would have been with sticky sugar on everything.

 

@Mr. Fox That's some very robust hardware you have there. It must be military grade.

I've seen some old IBM PCs from before my time that look like they could survive a nuclear war.

 

There are two reasons why I purchased it. The first reason is I really like how it unique it is but it "was" going to play a role in a concept PC. Far away, it looks like an old style tube TV with massive speakers attached. I wanted to take an LCD screen and mod it to the "front" panel to appear like a TV. Very similar to how IBUYPOWER does with their special build that has a LCD attached to the side glass panel. In the research phase, I saw that I had to paint the internal white to make the LCD stand out. That means the components would have to be white. The lighting would have to be a bright white. That also means spray painting the outside white. (I didn't know they had a white version, unless that was a one off). I eventually dropped the idea and did a "normal" custom loop in it.

 

AMD Appears To Be Preventing Ryzen 5000 CPU Support On X370 Motherboards
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...laris-navi-gpus.799348/page-788#post-11092820

Once you become bigger you want more. Not much difference vs Intel nowadays. Both for platform and for the Chips price-point.

 

Another Gold according to CTR. Too bad I'm going to sell this little beast. It can overclock higher than my 5900X, although it is only an 8 core CPU. Running further tests.

 

Thats how it always is, AMD just hasnt been in a position to do so for quite some time.

That all being said, went to Microcenter on my way back from Oklahoma, they still want 700 for the 3950x :/

Probably never going to be able to repeat the same value proposition of getting the 2700x for 165

 

Lookin good! Reference ranges are a little lower, which is odd considering the efficiency rating but still a good chip.

Let me know what you get out of it for a complete suite run (CB15,CB20,CB23) single and multi together. Throw in an AIDA64 and CPU-Z.

MSI just released another "beta" BIOS for the x570 Tomahawk that further improves (!) the USB stability issue and removed the other version I was running so I'll give that one a whirl the next few days.

 

So I took 4-5 hours today breaking down and rebuilding my desktop to move the 11900k over to test it and the MSI as my daily driver combo. Running all by itself in my open
work case (Corsair 540) with the exact same AIO, I was pleased with the numbers it was putting up and decided it was time to give it a proper full install in my main rig plus I wanted
to move my GPU rad up top to run some tests and see if it changed the pump whine at all. Same pump whine since day one but I figured I had never given it a good shaking and tap with
the rad up top. (FYI: It did not, even after shaking and tapping my KPE 3090 numerous times and running it up top for ~45min).

....less than an hour later I spent the next 3hrs breaking it all back down and going back to my AMD.

Why?

#1. Heat: Running ABT (5.3/5.1) or custom clocks (5.4/5.2) and the 11900k is a furnace. That much is already known. Now throw in the KPE pulling 400w+ even at stock playing WoW and my room was warming up fast. Worse, the heat from the CPU rad dumping into the case caused my "proper" mount KPE 3090 to run much warmer (~10c delta) from idle to under load and fans to run faster at idle (~725 vs ~500rpm) and load (~1150rpm vs ~1000rpm).

#2. Audible GPU Coil whine: Ah, my old friend you found me. You were there all along. You just needed the right conditions to reveal yourself. Coil whine is as always an instant deal breaker / Sell condition for me.

After putting everything back the way it was, the coil whine retreated into its proper place and temps were back to normal since the rad was back to the front mount for fresh air.

One positive is there were a few runs and cable placements I wanted to get to one day as they would have required at least a partial breakdown, so I got to take care of those so that was a plus.

 

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