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I'd love to know what they're using to measure power draw on those AMD parts. I just watched a video where a well known laptop reviewer tested the 5800H in a beefy Lenovo 7 and it scored 4900pts in CB20 at 80w. My GP66 11800H underclocked to 3.9Ghz from stock 4.2ghz all core is hitting 4900pts in CB20 at just 76w.

Then they go on to show this graph... These guys truly hit the AMD KoolAid hard.
https://i.imgur.com/jQJr512.png

This put the 11800H around 11.8k at 75w when I've found that at 77w and 3.9Ghz all cores it actually hits 12.8K which wouldn't have looked as good for AMD on their graph. This is a stock CPU, no undervolting, etc.

https://i.imgur.com/yGJJhaY.png

And of course it wouldn't be any fun without an overclock run!

https://i.imgur.com/ysfItVr.png


Intel is back and in a big way. This chip should have been what we got as RKL with a higher core count. I'm less excited for Alder Lake and now looking forward to the next true HEDT with Sapphire Rapids X.

 

Hmm, nope that doesn't ring a bell with me. But, I see it is real. Never heard of it until now.

 

I was sent an Acer Aspire 5 11th gen i3 (giggles) to evaluate and it was even hitting almost 1300 single thread CB23 as locked down as it is with the worst thermal solution I've ever seen. For a ~$400, single channel, 2666 max throw away notebook, I was pretty impressed by its speedy performance overall for day to day. I'm sure the upper end units especially if provided decent cooling are going to shine. Good luck locking HWU down on their exact testing methodology and settings.

I do think the 5000 series came out with such a bang at 7nm that it shell shocked Intel for a bit, but like the Athlon/FX days, they are slowly roaring back. RKL really is just an appetizer but it re-established parity (and then some) with the 11900k.

I'm having a lot of fun with the 11900k. I ordered another one to test and it wasn't even close to the Best Buy chip and wasn't even on par with my first chip as it was pulling 1.485 at 5.1, it couldn't hold 5.2 all core no matter what I did and borked on 3x 5.3) so I sent it back. I don't think I'm going to luck up on a sample like the Best Buy chip I got again randomly ordering. I was watching JayZ overclocking his 11900k and he was pulling 1.467v @ 5.1 on an SP73 running CB23 which is almost identical to the pull I had on my first 11900k (1.456) which could also do 5.2 but at 1.475

HWU did a review of the 5800x vs the 11700k across 32 games and every other testing shows CP2077 clearly dominating the 5800x both lows and fps, but suddenly their results are much different which immediately gives pause. I do wish they would just list their exact testing criteria in the info on their videos. It would clear up so many things, but you end up having to pepper them with numerous questions to get answers (good way to game the YT algorithm).

And if Intel is doing what I think they're doing and addressing the market move towards big/little and power efficiency for the bulk of consumers while bringing out the big guns for HEDT, that looks like the direction to go.

 

Intel's mobile 11 gen is decent. These procs are still losing to AMD 4000 series in some workloads though. Refreshed mediocrity should not be celebrated.

We all took jabs at AMD over the years, and they were well deserved. I used to be one of the largest Intel fanboys around, partly because I buy from them and partly due to how great their products were.

Key point is how great they were. They rested on their laurels and AMD was able to punch them in the mouth...several times.

At stock and that is important to note, 5000 series is more power efficient and better in multicore applications.

The major innovation that Intel gave us on mobile this gen, is PCIE 4. I applaud them for that. I didn't think AMD or Intel would do that but Intel has a major selling point over AMD.

 

Integrated Thunderbolt on H45 parts is another nice addition that will benefit those who are invested in the ecosystem. Otherwise Ryzen will be the better option for most users, especially given the price increase for 11th-gen Intel laptops.

 

This is the key takeaway. Intel rested so long they lost Apple and AMD finally outclassed their aging 14nm++++++++++++++++++ architecture.

11th gen mobile isn't a refresh like 6th through 10th nor would I call the architectural advancements mediocre.

Intel is slowly responding as expected when challenged and momentarily toppled. They take their hands out of the till and get back to work. Hopefully AMD stays competitive so we get the best out of each company and consumer friendly pricing.

I do agree with the at stock component as that is how most will run their systems, but Intel being Intel they always have more headroom for overclocking and pull away; but that isn't the average joe user scenario but will come into play when some of the gaming heavy hitters have beefy laptops with overclocking in mind.

I'm still highly impressed with AMD though both on the CPU and GPU front how they were able to shake up both Intel and Nvidia and truly be competitive.

 

Bro, I know 11 gen isn't a refresh. That's why I said refreshed mediocrity. It's still mediocre compared to AMD's architecture in some ways. Force both CPUs, 5800H & 11800H to stay at 45W. Which one wins? This is supposed to be 10nm, which is comparable to 7nm that AMD uses.

Trust me, I need Intel to come out swinging. AMD needs the competition.

I am a straight shooter and I'm going to call it as I see it. The end result is the end result, no matter how much others are going to try to sugarcoat it. Intel's 11 gen 45W* is a decent start but I expected better.

I do agree with Talon on one thing, Intel's return to HEDT is going to be great. I'm looking forward to it.

 

It's a gaming laptop. The 11th gen parts smoke Ryzen 5000 in gaming now. 10th gen was already ahead, the 11th gen parts now make it no competition. If I was worried about running 45w TDP I would have bought myself a Chromebook. Out of box the MSI default lets it run up to 85w or something along those lines and punches just fine against any 5000 Ryzen. I care about how it performs, not how little power I can get it consume.

My Asus G15 I had briefly was a turd at gaming due to some bottleneck somewhere with the CPU. Getting above 100fps in Warzone was next to impossible at any setting or resolution. GPU utilization sucked. It had excellent Cinebench results, though lower than my 11800H even when both are pulling 75w AND it had liquid metal. Yes the Asus let it pull up to 75w as well out of box. My 11800H is destroying Warzone with fps as high at 170fps at near max settings. CS GO, Valorant, etc all run far better on Tiger Lake.

 

Which 11th-gen laptop do you have exactly?

 

GP66
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rs-welcome-too.810490/page-1088#post-11096054

 

So a laptop that is longer, wider, thicker, and heavier, with a much higher wattage GPU and a MUX switch. Yeah, of course it's going to perform better than the G15, regardless of CPU. BOAT essentially said in his review that if all you care about is gaming performance, then the G15 is not for you.

 

That's exactly Talon's point and part of the point I was making is that Intel's 11th gen mobile parts scale better and respond better to thicker, better cooled, better powered laptops than AMD that hits a performance wall regardless of cooling or power delivery. Coincidentally, it is the same on the desktop too.

If you're looking for compromises in power for other factors (smaller, TDP bound, etc...) then AMD gets greater consideration. If you're looking for raw performance, Intel gets greater consideration.

This wasn't even up for debate.

I even said it in my initial reply:

 

Sadly, most laptops are the exact opposite of that. None are as large as they need to be to avoid malfunction. Maybe the X170 comes pretty close, but it seems like the zombie sheeple horde prefers a cute form factor over functionality, and they're willing to suffer a thermal abortion with impaired performance for the sake of reduced size and weight.

 

I don't have a problem with thin and light and nerfed hardware as an end result. I do have a problem when it greatly reduces my choices in hardware. I don't even know what to think of Alienware's new thinner and lighter laptops aka Razerware. It is sad to see them now and what they've become when I think of the masterpieces they created like the M18x and M17x. MSI has just about tapped out. All we have left is Clevo with the X170 series and that's with one model that isn't anywhere as robust as the P870 series but still heads and tails over what's on the market and will get the @Prema love. Hopefully Clevo won't exit that segment completely with Socket 1700. I'm still disappointed Clevo wasn't able to bring a 200w GPU to market for the X170KM.

 

To much soy in their diet and lack of sun.

 

The new Legion 7 is available with Ryzen 5000HX and a pretty much full-fat RTX 3080.

 

Can account for this, most people I "know" that are younger and do nothing but game have no life and do not take care of themselves, a bit sad in my opinion, but not much I can do.

 

Speaking of the HX CPU's, has anyone been able to overclock them? I remember AMD saying that they would be unlocked, but I've heard nothing so far about people overclocking them.

 

None at all and I suspect it will never will be "unlocked". The laptop manufacturers are blaming AMD but I have yet to see a 5000 HX chip used in a thick "premium" laptop, of which AMD advertise them for. It could be that AMD won't let the the companies enable a fully unlocked chip's functionality if the cooling isn't adequate. I don't know who or what to believe.

Both AMD and Intel current mobile offerings have massive disadvantages, in my opinion. Too bad, as this summer I will be doing a lot of traveling and I am going to need a great mobile workstation. I just wish I could merge both AMD/Intel's mobile platform functionality into one.

 

I'd personally prefer the latter where AMD isn't allowing the OEM's to have the HX CPU's unlocked in thin laptops because this would be a better user experience as the OEM wouldn't have to worry about anyone complaining because they overclocked the CPU and it runs too hot.

Yeah, I'm not too impressed with the laptop space right now. Nvidia's mobile offerings have been quite vague and lackluster, and as you said, AMD and Intel both have their respective disadvantages. This is also why I re-built my Ranger. For the price of re-building my Ranger, I could get a new laptop, but it seems you need to spend lots of money to get a decently built laptop nowadays. I personally wouldn't mind giving up a bit of performance for better build quality and thermals, but it seems companies/OEM's don't like doing this

 

I prefer to bin my CPUs for optimal low pull so that rules that out.
Ideal overclocking options?
17.3" option? I only saw the 16"

 

Hey @Papusan, you think I can trump your 4930mx CB r15 record sometime in the wintertime when its extremely cold outside? Or do you think I would blow the VRM's trying to sustain all core clocks past 4.4-4.5ghz?

 

^^^This

There's still a lot of market control by Intel and AMD isn't innocent either in letting their chips go full throttle in mobile platforms along with OEMs still defaulting to Intel for many of their offerings. I'd love to see an X170 or P870 type chassis with desktop 5000 chips or a nice, thick and beefy chassis with killer cooling and a 5900hx fully unlocked and ready to rock. Personally, an X170'esque chassis with a 5950x would be a monster of a dream machine.

 

Having the radiator on the back wall solved the issue with the case not being deep enough to suit me. Although I still like having the pump/res combo mounted externally on the rear I/O panel, moving the radiator gave me the room I needed for two pump/res units. I found some nice Byski compression fittings for about $2.50 each, so I re-did all of the lines with them instead of barbs and clamps. They fit nicely with my black and chrome with the white LED motif.


Brother @Rage Set you had asked about the Larkooler radiators. They're great as I mentioned. I got to checking the fans out that came with the first radiator. I don't find any specs on them. They just seem like cheap generic 120mm fans with white LEDs, but the amount of air they push through the radiators (based on the feel of the air coming out of the opposite side) those fans are actually a lot more powerful than the overpriced Noctua fans. I wish all of them were the cheap Larkooler fans now, LOL.

BTW - how are you liking the Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL case?

 

I think the RTX3080 in that machine is only around 165 watts though. And what @electrosoft was referring to is, with machines like the P870 in the past we could literally run (Desktop equivalent GPU’s) two of them for that matter lol.

A desktop RTX3080 is 320 watts. (And that’s really the base I suppose) A laptop running a RTX3080 with only 170 watts isn’t going to be as effective as it should be. Hell, my desktop 2080Ti can match a stock (320 watt RTX3080) (Obviously on custom cooling, modified, flashed, and overclocked to death) But the point is, having a laptop that can sustain higher power is really nice. The market is going another direction entirely though it seems.

I’ll say that Legion with the 3080 will run around minimum 20% slower than a (Desktop RTX3070) The RTX3080 in the Legion 7 is essentially a 150 watt GPU, with a dynamic boost of +15 watts.

^ Of course this isn’t that terrible, and it’ll be a great laptop for gaming. But we all want full power again! People have tamed 200-250 watts in laptops before just on the GPU. Where’s the RTX3070 laptop with a 200-220 watt limit? That would be awesome. Times have really changed for laptops though it’s crazy


You can go take a P750/P775/P870 body, plug in a 2080 Super MXM running the 200 watt bios and more than likely beat that low power 3080 very easily.. I have seen 2080 Supers match stock 2080Ti’s which is essentially a ( desktop 3070)

 

The MB for Aw17 is cheap so a few blown VRMs ain't a big problem It would be a lot worse if it was the newer modern BGA Gaming Jokes from Dell (more expensive, difficult to obtain parts and more fragile).

 

Looking really good bro. LOL where did you get Byski compression fittings for that cheap? They look like the same ones I have in an older build but I spent roughly 5.25 each for them. Likely an Amazon seller price (TitanRig). BTW, I buy directly from their website, TitanRig. Prices are decent and I don't get charge sales tax.

I am like the XL version a lot, so much so, I may get another in white for the Intel/Nvidia build I want to create. I waiting for the Z590 Dark.

 

Thank you. It looks better than I expected it would. It is a bit smaller than I would like it to be.

I got the fittings from this eBay store: https://www.ebay.com/str/altestore (actually $2.79 each, but still a good buy).

I originally ordered FreezeMod fittings and his stock was low, so he asked if he could substitute the Bykski fittings. https://www.ebay.com/itm/294001226679

I am pondering the idea of ordering a black XL since I am no longer planning to pursue my benching hobby or upgrading anything for the foreseeable future. Also looking at the Phanteks Enthoo Pro II as an option, but I like the aesthetics of the O11 XL better.

I have already seen a difference in how clean things stay inside of the Corsair 5000D in this relentless dust bowl environment. If I decide to do that I will continue using the MO-RA 360 and route the tubing through the rear I/O panel with some pass-through fittings rather than using any radiators inside of the chassis. Every time I change something on the work desktop inside of the 5000D I am cussing how inconvenient it is dealing with an enclosed case. While I love the open bench and prefer that, I could not help but notice that the inside of the 5000D was still nearly dust-free. My open bench is always dirty. I can clean it and within 24 hours it looks like it did before I cleaned it. I am not sure if it would look better to mount the dual XPSC D5 Photons inside f the case or bolt them to the outer frame of the MO-RA 360. I am almost thinking the case will look too empty otherwise.

I really wanted to get that DG-86 from Brother @Raiderman (and still want it) but it literally will not fit anywhere in my office except on the floor under the desk and I don't want it there. My desk is not long enough for it to fit sideways and the width of the case is about 3 inches longer than the top of my desk from front to back. So, I cannot position it normally either direction.

 

Since we both like adding as much radiator as possible, there is always the Corsair Obsidian Series 1000D. While I haven't used that one yet, it has a massive amount of space for watercooling. Although, I think I still prefer the O11 XL.

 

11900k @ 5.3 all core (EVGA CLC AIO 360mm):

 

Nice job. Looks like you've got a pretty decent sample. What was the core max in that Cinebench run?

Yeah, that would be totally out of the question for me based on price alone. I was initially interested in it looking at how it was made and when I saw the price I instantly scratched it off my list. It is more than triple what I am willing to spend. Even the XL is more than I would like to spend.

I might even decide to go with a matching 5000D Airflow based on the price. It is a very good value even though there are a couple of things I do not particularly care for. If I am not going to have any radiators inside of it, then it may be fine. I am pretty sure I could even fit both of my D5 Photons 270 inside of it with no radiators. I am not sure though since the Z490 Dark is an E-ATX mobo. I know it will fit, but I think it is already a little bit too cramped with an ATX mobo.

Whatever case I land on, I will still use the MO-RA 360 free-standing next to it with QD3's in pass-through fittings mounted solid to the case for easily disconnecting it for maintenance. I think that idea has geek written all over it. It reminds me of quick-connect fittings for air or hydraulic lines on a piece of heavy machinery.

Or, I may just leave everything alone and do nothing. Every time I look at the open bench I talk myself out of doing anything because it's too perfect other than my first-world dust problem.

 

1.525v. I had it on auto but it would freeze for a full run pulling ~ 1.508.

It was a thermal battle more than anything. I ended up taking off the front of my Corsair case grill and dust filter and the EVGA fans take too long to ramp up
so set them to 100% for the entire sessions.

I took a little bit of time earlier to map out the LLC (Mode in MSI speak) levels a little and auto for MSI = Mode 2 = Asus LLC7, but the punch down between levels is pretty steep.
I set the 11900k to 5.2 @ 1.4 to give it a little room to up or down to see what the pull was running CB23. I just stopped after Mode 4 as the drop was substantial.
I don't remember the ranges being so severe on my Asus or EVGA, but I didn't jot them down.

 

Why does CPU-Z do this? Their benchmark feature intentionally gimps my CPU on the charts.. Allow me to explain,

First test is with all (36) threads enabled.

With a score of (10,306) (All 18/36 threads on)



Second test is with (17/34) threads enabled.

With a score of (12,631) (only 17/34 threads enabled)






Any ideas why my benchmark numbers for full on (18/36) threads is performing identical to my cpu while using only (8/16) threads?

I was thinking maybe because it is 32 bit. So that’s why I used (17/34) threads to eliminate that as a possible problem.

So is this a possible software glitch? It has been like this forever now. I just recently found a solution, and that’s manually setting my CPU to run the cpu-Z benchmark to only use set amount of threads of less than (36) with the quick (Thread selection tab)

 

It is a bug in CPU-Z and it does it to everyone. It's not just your system and it is not something you are doing wrong.

Want to see higher scores? Change the drop-down menu for Benchmark from the default to one of the AVX benchmarks and run that, then switch it back to the default benchmark. The default benchmark score will usually be higher when you switch back to it.

My benchmarks on CPU-Z are also higher with the i225-V enabled and the other onboard ethernet controller disabled in the BIOS. The i225-V seems to require less CPU resources. Disabling my onboard WiFi (which I do not use anyhow) also improves the scores slightly, and probably for the same reason (more free system resources).

CPU-Z is a useful tool for many things, including stress tests and frequency validation. However, I do not consider the buggy benchmark tool scores to be all that relevant. I'd use something else for benchmarks if you want consistent reporting accuracy.

 

LoL. At least it is better than the Dell. You can fix it, while the Dell G5 is a hopeless case.



Edit: for context... POS Dell G5 gaming dumpster fire.

 

This will be the next failure.

Razer now officially taking preorders for GeForce RTX 3080Ti and RTX 3070Ti prebuilt systems videocardz.de

• Ryzen 9 5900X, B550, RTX 3080 Ti: 22,999 RMB (3,575 USD)
• Ryzen 9 5900X, X570, RTX 3080 Ti: 24,999 RMB (3,885 US)
• Ryzen 9 5900X, X570, RTX 3090: 39,999 RMB (6,217 USD)

Yeah, the setup with the 3090 is a massive premium above the setup with 3080 Ti (2,331 USD difference between RTX 3090 and RTX 3080 Ti build).

 

It is a sad way to source parts you cannot buy through normal channels. Reminds me of the opening post of this thread, only FAR WORSE today.

Razer is like Dell. They suck at life... better off dead.

 

The reason for the huge price gap is the 3080 Ti will be LHR. The 3090 is the world's best mining GPU, so it is an open invitation for being brutally raped. So, while it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, miners are still instrumental in screwing everyone that isn't a miner.

Maybe we will get lucky and cryptocurrency will lose all of its value so the market will become flooded by cheap high-end GPUs that are a severe and devastating financial loss to all the people bought them up by the dozen for mining, and the mid-range GPUs will be given away for next to nothing because the electricity costs become greater than the earnings. That would be hilarious justice.

 

Well, the issue with some of the 3090's is cooling the VRAM chips. If crypto stays for a few more months, I'd love to see some of the more newbie miners whine about how their 3090's died on them for "no apparent reason." Maybe some of us can score cheap "broken" 3090's and replace the G6X chips for dirt cheap.

I can't wait for this to happen, I watched it happen in 2018 when I first started getting into tech, and boy was awesome to see RX 480's and 580's for like under 80-100 bucks.

 

Seen this? https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-lhr-cards-no-founders-edition/

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nvidia-t...for-mining-limiter-on-rtx-3000-graphics-cards

 

Yeah I'd love to see crypto go tits up and all these GPU-hogging bastards literally lose their financial a$$es in the process. Hopefully with the end result of destroying all public confidence in digital currency indefinitely. That would be glorious.

 

I hope the miner cards start flooding around on the sales pages at the time Nvidia release 4000 series cards As a nice payback and an reminder..

 

That would be super hilarious and just recompense.

 

I believe this may be how it plays out, which would make it effectively irrelevant. I have never wanted an FE card anyway. And, the 30 series FE cards are sinfully ugly looking.

"That could effectively signal the RTX 3080, 3070, and RTX 3060 Ti Founders Edition cards being completely end of life with no hope of return."

 

Nvidia was very kind with its gamer crowd. Only half crippled so they could earn some money to try help pay the premium over MSRP


Nvidia also addressed why it decided to cap—rather than fully eliminate—the Ethereum mining capability to 50% on the applicable RTX 3000 cards. “We believe 50% is the right balance to dissuade professional miners, and still give gamers the opportunity to mine,” it said.

 

No, **** Nvidia. The thing about mining was that GAMERS, NOT MINERS, who had to buy at gouged prices WERE ABLE TO mine and make some of that gouged money back, but nvidia is giving them the middle finger AND wasting silicon for their dedicated mining cards that will be OBSOLOTE after mining dies .

I'm also not one to be super duper cautious about the environment, but really nvidia? Your CMP cards WILL become obsolete as soon as mining dies, at least give them 1 port for a display or something. nvidia is creating waste, and environmentalists are worried about vehicles and other more common but useful things. I'm sorry to rant, but this kind of **** makes my blood boil.

(nvidia doesn't get capitalized, they've already capitalized off of the consumers enough )

EDIT:
I feel this is getting a bit off-topic, so I'll shut up, I tend to drag threads in the wrong direction a lot, so I apologize about that.

 

Agreed. Complete and total e-waste in the interest of selling more cards. Nvidia is selling the idea like they're helping poor gamers, blah blah. BS! Nvidia wants to sell gimped silicon to gamers AND sell gimped silicon to miners that is completely and totally useless if/when crypto bubble bursts again. If Nvidia left it alone, the market would eventually correct itself, and all those crypto cards would be dumped on the used market for significantly less than what a new card costs.

 

They will milk on the Crypto boom as long it's possible.

One retailer told us this week that GPU prices are now so high from distributors and AIBs that the decision to purchase GPUs when they are available is becoming difficult. That’s because the local price for GPUs is far higher than what most customers are willing to spend, so there is significant risk that they won’t be able to sell that GPU to recoup costs, a risk that’s exacerbated by the possibility of GPU prices going down. If a retailer buys a card for a very inflated price, only to see it not sell, then prices go down, that card will lose the retailer money. This issue appears to be contributing to a lack of readily available GPUs at retailers.​

The gamers is out there 23/7/365. And they won't disappear as the miners when the Crypto race with GPU's crash. I'm sure they pushed out normal Ampere cards in full speed to miners before they was ready with the pure Crypto cards. They know the mining boom won't last forever.

 

At least now the miners can at the very least use those cards for smaller coins and trade up but that isn't a solution Nvidia released that was evolution of crypto over time, evolution is probably too grand more like a biproduct lol

 

I pulled the 7980XE out last night and delidded the cpu again. (3rd delid on this processor) Anyways, the temperatures were super hot while running 4.8Ghz. some cores getting in to the mid-90’s. So my cooling had degraded severely over the past 6-8 months since the last delid/LM application.

I was going to install the Der8auer X299 direct die frame on my X299 Dark. However, I ran out of time. I spent too much time cleaning up the CPU, and I needed my PC for work the following day. So short cut this project, and just dropped the IHS on the die.

After a fresh LM application, fresh thermal paste application, and a Optimus Signature V2 waterblock. My temps are looking really good so far! 76C hottest core. With 74-75F ambient temperatures everyday.

I plan to install the Die-frame tonight or tomorrow. (I didn’t re-seal the IHS this time around) and the frame was expensive! So I am certainly finishing this through.

Maybe I can get another 3-5C knocked off of that hottest core. Once I get my Die-frame installed.

Here are some photos. Hottest core is idling along at 22C @4.8Ghz.