*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

He’s really good at it too. When I had a delidded 8086K in a clevo P750TM1 laptop, I could never match his golden 8700K that he ran in his laptop. I mean, I had my chip putting out numbers equivalent to what you’d see on forums for even desktops with average cooling at any given specific frequency or overclock. But @Papusan was always a bin or two high with his scores at the same or less frequency. His windows optimization and setup is really good.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/478191...___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_3090_14858_points

 

Yep, I have a few

 

@Mr

I never used this benchmark much. Always running the old one still lol, so i’m kinda unfamiliar on numbers. What was the old 2080Ti capable of here at the same resolution?

 

It is actually a pretty demanding GPU benchmark. You should run it on your 2080 Ti while you can for comparison. I am not at my computer, so here is a screenshot from my phone. Click the link in my prior post above the screenshot for more info.

 

I’m certainly gonna add it to my benchmarking suite when my 3090KP arrives Wednesday. Both 2080Ti’s were sold and shipped off last week to their new owners.


I am running just a super basic AMD HD8490 (half slot) 30 watt TGP video card for display output of course. Its makes this horrendous buzzing sound. So I’m ready to get it in to the nearest garbage bin lol.

 

Very nice uptick between the 2080ti and 3090 when pushed on the chiller.

 

Especially in ray tracing and those heavy heavy loads.

 

Gratz on the 3090 KPE. They are beast cards. I just got my email for a second 3090 KPE but elected to pass on it.

 

12th gen Intel above 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X. Nice that Intel finally can catch up with AMD best mainstream chips released in 2020 when they are in hands of the users in early 2022. But I expect AMD will jump the gun again and try grab back the performance crown from Intel's new phone processors with a refreshed chips with 16 real cores. Intel won’t stay long in paradise with only 8 real cores. Maybe in slim and thiny notebooks where the added phone cores belong but not in desktops.

Leaks yes, but Microsoft need help from its partners to make Win 11 successful. I wonder if some is able to find ways to implement the new Hybrid core scheduler in Win 10.

Confirmed that in order to benefit from Intel’s Hybrid Technology (heterogeneous architecture), the latest Windows 11 operating system is required.

Intel Core i9-12900K “Alder Lake-S” Qualification Sample allegedly offers 5.3 GHz turbo clock videocardz.de

 

Apples to Apples:

Performance - Intel
Battery, power consumption and cost - AMD

 

Intel will probably give us an option to disable those phony cores from the BIOS. The clock speed is also high for 10nmSF, why the hell then Rocket Lake was not made on 10nm if it can clock so high, esp considering how it was a backport ?? Damn Intel.

For the rest of the package, they are strong in SMT due to those phony small 8Cores without Hyperthreading, the total logical processors for ADL and up will be 16T of big x86 + 8T of the small x86, total 24T vs 32T of 5950X, CBR20 is 11K for this 12900K 24T CPU vs 10K of real 32T 5950X CPU, 10900K is just 6-7K in this benchmark and 11900K is even less due to loss of physical cores. This is really looking strong from Intel side....don't understand how that is happening lol plus Sapphire Rapids Xeon (new HEDT will be probably based on this) is not going to have these phony cores vs Milan Zen 3. Also how it translates to the real world performance is all dependent on that Win11, and final tests in consumer hand.

Win10 LTSC for 20H2 is still not yet released, we do not know if M$ will even implement this scheduler in that revision. Windows 7 cannot handle that stupid phony drama and I doubt these new Z690 and AM5 boards have CSM option anymore. Are you ready bro for Installing that POS OS . I'm not and will be skipping this whole HW refresh for sure, mandatory Win11, Mandatory Secure Boot, Mandatory spyware drama. Ugly UI. Nope...

 

This is really the icing on the cake for me and will give me pause till it resolves itself. I don't have anything against Windows 11, but the draconian measure surrounding it have me pumping the brakes and taking a wait and see approach (while I have it installed on a test bench machine in the corner ).

 

Intel needed all the 10nm chips for laptops. Can't let AMD eat more of the market share for laptops.

You are forced into the Win 11 disaster if you want the last normal laptop with newer Intel chips than Rocket fail (Clevo if they continue with LGA). Hence I hope some can find away to put in the new scheduler into Win 10 or a new LTSC version based on Win 10 have it as default. If I remember correct, Win 10 also have the scheduler for hybrid Cpu's, but not as good as in Win 11.

 

It is so nice to have this thread as a place of refuge. The turdbook zombies are so common. Pretty sad when you stop and think about it.

 

“RTX3090 KINGPIN Out for delivery!!!

 

Been there....NUMEROUS times!

 

Hopefully UPS doesn't do to you what they are doing to me. Waiting on a W-1290 that has been delayed for the past two days..."A late UPS trailer arrival has delayed delivery. We're adjusting plans to deliver your package as quickly as possible." I can't complain to the seller because it isn't the seller's fault.

 

This is me right now.

I ordered a Clevo X170SM-G from zTecpc yesterday and can't wait for it to finally get here. I'm upgrading to it from my almost maxed out Alienware 17 (2013 model). The processing power is going to be a huge jump both on the CPU and GPU side. I'm going from an i7 4930MX to an i5 10600K on the CPU side and a GTX 1060 to an RTX 2080 Super on the GPU side. I do plan on swapping out the 10600K for a 10900K a bit later and then selling the 10600K.

My face is going to light up like a little kid's on Christmas day when it finally arrives and I sign for it. I'll finally be able to play my newer games at 144 fps.

I had never even considered buying a machine with an xx80 class card in it before, and never thought I would. However, I'm in an interesting situation right now where there is no xx60 class card that can serve my needs since there isn't one that's powerful enough, and I'd probably have to wait until the RTX 4000 series releases for that to happen.

Additionally, the X170 was on a steep discount. Since I needed a GPU with the processing power of an RTX 2080 or greater, and I need it now, this was a no brainer.

 

That's a solid buy bro, grats!

I was looking at Ztecpc just a week or so ago at their SMs and asked if they were going to support 11th gen, but it looks like no BIOS update even via Prema and they aren't carrying the KM yet. Plus the pricing on their SMs are nice right now. If it had supported (or was going to get an @Prema 11th gen update), I would have picked one up. The 1060 in my P870TM is officially too slow now for my needs. I could pick up a 2060, but the "new project itch" is kicking in so I'll start the slow churn till fall travels (fingers crossed) and sell the P870TM and continue to lay the pieces to pick up a barebones (or close to it) X170KM.

 

Awww man, another man down leaving his Ranger . It's all good though, I know its starting to show its age. You going to hold onto it or part it out?

 

I'm going to keep using it. It'll just be my secondary machine now. It can still do most of the things I need it to do (edit documents, web browsing, video games, video editing, unity game development, general programming, etc.), and I also run it as a Hackintosh. That GPU acceleration on Pascal in MacOS is great!

The only thing my Ranger can't do anymore that I need it to do is play games at 120 fps. Granted, it can still play half my game library at 120 fps without turning down the resolution or turning down graphics settings that much, so I'll still be using it for gaming a lot. The 1060 wasn't really ever a 120 fps card to begin with though.

At this point, upgrading to a 1070 wouldn't be a good use of my money, so I got a Clevo X170SM-G instead. I wanted to be able to play all my games at 120 fps, and there are games in my library that I have been waiting multiple years to play because I can't stand 60 fps. With the X170, I can do 144 fps in pretty much any game. I'll be an incredibly happy camper when I get it.

I've had my Alien for a little over 6 years now. I got it as generation n-2 hardware back in 2015, and it's been a very good run. It still has quite a few years left in it. I got tired of waiting to play my newer games though, hence my Clevo X170 purchase.

This thing is generation n-1 hardware and has the top tier mobile GPU of its generation. I expect it will be my primary machine for significantly longer than my Alien.

 

The wait is over, it’s finally here.



It looks as if @Rage Set barely used it. I don’t see any signs of use at all really lol. It really looks brand new. Very happy to finally own a 3090KP!

 

Believe it or not, that is what a lot of buyers say about the stuff I sell. Enjoy it bro! Looking forward to see what you can do with it. One thing, make sure to e-mail Vince (K|NGP|N) with the serial number to get the XOC vBIOS to really "open" up the card. I didn't do that myself because I was waiting for the GPU block.

 

It’s certainly true then. It looks like it was ran in a clean room/laboratory or something. Not a single spec of dust anywhere lol.

Thank you so much.

 

Congrats, bro. Anyone even remotely interested in an X170 with @Prema BIOS should reach out to Brother @Donald@zTecpc before they're all gone.

Sadly, the owner of zTecpc is not going to continue to offer high-end performance laptops and custom enhancements as a thing going forward. The business focus is going shift back to massive volume on web sales to zombie kids that are OK with chintzy turdbooks, so you can probably pick one up for a better price than you might find anywhere else. So, we will be left with no options for notebook enthusiasts. When they're gone, they're gone.

Once Brother @Donald@zTecpc confirms they are no longer players in this space, I will publicly share all of the hardware mods that were implemented to make the zTecpc version of the X170 the best one money can buy with those mods combined with the PremaMod firmware.

 

It is so unfortunate when stuff like this happens. I have never lost a package before, or had a package get lost until about 1.5 years ago. And it was a really tough situation.

I purchased a used 2080Ti on eBay, it was shipped and lost in the mail by USPS. This was During the heat of the pandemic in 2019. The buyer refunded me after about 3 to 3.5weeks with no tracking update (And USPS said possibly lost, or delayed due to pandemic) So I pretty much lost hope.

Then I purchased another 2080Ti on the Overclock.net “for-sale section” The first words I said were, (I will buy this as long as you don’t ship USPS lol) Buyer said ok, and they mailed it USPS anyways the very next day lol. (Sure enough, it was lost too! tracking went silent for weeks) (I had no choice here but to wait it out and hope it came)

Now (2) 2080Ti’s were lost with no tracking updates. Then one day I just became so incredibly frustrated I started really focusing on calling the right people through USPS, or emailing any address that had the words “USPS” behind it lol, and really just exhausting all resources trying to get something done about this. The next day they both updated on tracking at the same time, which was great because. (I really couldn’t afford to buy another 2080Ti)

Then both arrived on my door step, the very next day or two, after a super long time in transit.

 

USPS is even worse. The used to be really decent and reliable. What used to be 2-day Priority Mail frequently turns into 8 to 12 days with no updates to the tracking info. They can blame the pandemic all they want to, but you get what you pay for. Using 1099 independent contractors, paying them less and providing no benefits gets you people with no commitment and no accountability, and no sense of urgency. They're just doing a crappy job, for crappy pay, so they don't give a crap. But, we can easily connect the dots... 1+1=2.

 

I am interested. I will be looking into it.

 

It is a really good laptop. The only reason I did not buy one myself is lack of CSM/Legacy BIOS support, even with the @Prema BIOS. I could not find a way to accept that flaw as much as I truly loved it. Not having the autonomy to choose what I prefer irked me to no end. It is an excellent product except for that one thing that I couldn't let go.

I wonder how long EVGA is going to make everyone wait for the X570 Dark? Since their teaser it has been nothing but crickets chirping.

 

I'd like to get the X170KM-G or whatever its successor will be, but to get one completely barebones with just a 3060 was like 1500 USD, I wish that price was a bit lower, but I guess I can't complain because its a special kind of laptop.

 

I definitely wouldn't have gotten the laptop if it wasn't heavily discounted. I just can't justify spending ridiculous amounts of money on computer hardware.

With the discounts I got, it was about the same price as building an equivalent desktop setup (computer + monitor + peripherals, gotta be fair here), plus the price of a laptop battery, so it was a reasonable price. This made it a no brainer for me since I like laptops a lot more than I like desktops.

 

Knowing EVGA, likely September. The great and sometimes bad thing about them, EVGA is small. They simply don't have the purchasing power that others do. I'm just happy they are making an elite AMD board. Plus X570S is going to be with us until Q4 2022.

I'm looking at the OC Formula 6900 XTX too... just not at its current price.

 

Chances are slim that I will actually go through with it, but EVGA offering a Dark mobo is the only reason I would pause long enough to consider it as a possibility.

It is still challenging for me to embrace the idea of purchasing an AMD product. As far as they have come, (and they have come a LONG way,) so much of what they do still seems clunky and second-rate to me. All I have ever experienced with AMD products is disappointment, so I remain cautious and skeptical with good reason. I am not yet convinced that they are worthy of my forgiveness or trust, or patronage. But, EVGA going there makes me willing to care enough to see how it turns out for those willing to spend their money first. If it releases in September, it might be December or January before I see enough evidence to decide if it is worth buying. Hopefully they will have enough of them to sell that they are not difficult to acquire.

 

It’s amazing how fast the 3090 Kingpins are right out of the box, compared to average air cooled cards that is.

silicon acts better then any 2080 TI I have had so far, the card seems to wanna run 2130-2145 even while being above 50 Celsius which is something that is totally unusual for me. that would be a pretty extremely binned piece of silicon for a 2080 TI lol.

I have a lot to learn about this 3090 kp.

I will get some benchmark numbers up soon I’m still trying to learn the card and find the best profile to run

 

EVGA Z590 DARK is unleashed

It's a damn good looking beast of a motherboard, the best of all. Maybe Apex is closest.. but it's insane on looks and engineering. Yep it's expensive, right at Apex cost $600, same probably for X570S from my guess.

Two things to note, EVGA Z590 DARK and X570S DARK both share similar PCB design even the 8x SATA ports along with the layout of the 90 degree socket rotation, this is easily observed from the X570S Vince's screenshot and Z590 I/O shroud layout. AND both of these will sport PWM fans for the CPU VRM from the pictures, that's my guess.

That last part had be concerned. Can these boards run without the VRM fans ? I know it's not out yet to even know about the specifics of these fans. But I do saw X299 DARK also had the VRM cooling fans esp after that ASUS Rampage disaster is to be remembered for that platform. There are a lot more folks here who own X299 DARK maybe they could chime in, thanks in advance.

Here's the photo comparison and X570S vs Z590 Dark I/O shroud, check the vent holes for the boards.

 

The Rampage (which I still have) did very well when you put a fan against the VRM heatsink. The X299 Dark has two 30mm(I believe that's their size)fans attached to the VRM.

These boards have a lot of copper on the VRMs, so I don't necessarily think they need them. Depending on your cooling, a standard fan should be enough.

With a chiller, you could probably get a 5950x to 51, maybe even x52 if you have a great chip. You'll be battling the heat from the chip before the VRM causes you trouble.

 

Thank you, that's what I was thinking, the Heatsink on this Z590 DARK is bulky and that massive 21 phase design with 10 layer PCB it is built to last & should make them more reliable probably same for X570S DARK too. I love to keep the computers for a long period so was a bit concerned at seeing the VRM fans.

Makes sense since the chip will hit a lot of heat wall before the VRM even goes high, many boards take the VRM temps to over 70C, I bet they wanted not go that high given how Rocket Lake guzzles power, and similarly the 5950X when pushed hard, esp without a metal backplate on these boards.

 

I know my X299 Dark has super impressive VRM temps under a sustained load. Maybe 67C-71C with no fans or 10% fan speed on the VRM’s (I leave them on smart mode in the bios) they usually never spin.

Those (2) little 30MM fans certainly scream at 13,000-14,000RPM (Manually setting to 100%) It sounds like a server or something. Luckily the VRM heatsink is so effective, it just doesn’t really need them at all?

It’s gonna have to take something special to make me want to let go of my direct die 7980XE/X299 Dark setup. But the looks alone of the Z590 Dark, nearly get me half way there haha.

 

Z590 Dark in action:

 

I would love to get both the Z590 Dark and X570S Dark. Both are dead or dying sockets but at least with the X570S, AMD is going to release the XT versions of the 5950 and 5900 which will increase the performance further. If one is to avoid the initial launch of Alder Lake and wait it out a bit, the Z590 Dark is the way to go.

 

This is after a little tuning so far. I feel like I am getting close to the limits on this cooling, and this bios power.

The card seems to be hitting a wall at just under 470 watts on the pre-installed LN2 bios. (I Don't think that's an actual LN2 bios) But that's what evga is calling it.

Once I get the Kingpin Hydro Copper installed and the 1K XOC bios this should help with a higher score. Especially with memory temperatures with the hydro copper. I think I could get right at full potential of the card in games with just the 520 watt bios though. Although, I am not sure why I cant use the full 520 watts as it is. The highest I have seen is 469 watts. And lowering fan speeds just slightly seemed to improve the score in Port Royal, so this usually points to power running out when that happens in my experience.

Oh, and the memory seems to be pretty good on this 3090KP? I am not very familiar with what average, or good, or even bad is considered on a RTX3090. But so far +1200Mhz seems solid. I have not hit a limit with it, and I have seen no artifacting at all. I started at +800 and went to +1200. And after seeing the power limit close in on me, I stopped at +1200.

 

The longer I use the 3090KP the more I appreciate this GPU. Anyways, I am seriously temperature limited right now. This card easily overwhelms the included 360 AIO.

 

Yes, this is one of the rare cards that is temp limited and you haven't even used the other tools that this card has in its toolbox.

 

I’ve never owned a GPU like this before.
This thing makes it too easy! It has the power, it has the voltage, now I just need it to run under 40C.

 

Have you downloaded the Classified Tool yet? There is much to gain through that app....

 

Not yet. Is the evga tool beneficial on just the hybrid setup? Or should I just wait until the hydrocopper arrives?

I will try it out.

 

You will still be temperature limited, even using a chiller, but the Classified tool will give you full voltage control. None of the normal software tools will read the voltage accurately. Only the Classified tool and Precision X1 are capable. I bench mine at 1.400V. You need sub-zero temps to go higher than about 2235-2250 on core.

 

I almost pulled the trigger last night on a nice system with a 5950X, Aorus Master, 32GB of G.Skill RGB RAM, EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3, EVGA 850W PSU, EVGA mechanical keyboard and EVGA mouse. I left it in my cart overnight to sleep on it. Changed my mind this morning. So glad I slept on it. Spending $4,000 to save $400 seems like a really stupid plan this morning.

Planned obsolescence is always part of the evil plan. That's just how it works. It costs too much to make parts available forever, and they shouldn't have to.

Forced obsolescence happens when they say, " sure, you can repair it... go ahead, we don't care... knock yourself out" and conveniently forget to mention service parts are not available. It's not old yet. They only manufactured enough parts to build the number of units they planned to sell, then moved on to the next bright and shiny object.

Then you have the flat-out, bald-faced lying, despicable sacks of dung that say, " Hey, kids! Look! Here's the world's fastest laptop that is upgradable, blah, blah, blah..." with no intent of making any parts available for upgrading. They also built it with a proprietary GPU form factor (an abortion in its own rights). They also lied about it being the fastest, among other things.

Then they have the gall to say, " Nobody upgrades laptops." Of course not, because the bastards that build them make it impossible (no parts available) or impractical (ludicrous pricing on what is available). May God have mercy on them. I sure as hell won't. Hold my beer while I crucify them.

Sadly, this is truer than anyone with a functional brain and soul would like it to be. Reality sucks, and the opposite should be true. +5 Rep

 

I saw that on Newegg. Good thing you didn't, as prices will continue to fall. That build should be 3200 to 3400.