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Yes, that is what I am thinking, too. It only seems like a good deal in the context of everything being a horrible value. Only because it is slightly less horrible.

The other thing is I don't need a complete system. I already have two and enough spare parts to build a third one. If and when I eventually decide to, I only need a Dark mobo and CPU. And, that's also something I thought about. I'd end up wanting a Dark mobo, so why waste money on a system with an Aorus mobo? Sure, it would be nice to have a 3080 Ti to replace the 2080 Ti, but I don't bench it, and I seldom game with it. When I do, it is way more than enough. Why spend money on a 3080 Ti? I'd end up hating that it is air cooled and want to buy a water block for it, in spite of not needing it. Vicious cycle of spending money with no legitimate basis other than me being a freak about certain things.

Thus my comment it seemed like a really stupid plan after sleeping on it. I should be growing wiser as I age, not becoming a senile old man with a fetish for crazy PC hardware.

 

Ok here we are again. Software advancements and updates are forcing my hand lol.

My X299 Dark is pretty beastly with my older 1.05 or 1.07 bios. CPU runs cool, and super fast in single or multithreaded performance. I can just leave 5Ghz and it’s incredibly stable for all
of my work, school, gaming, benching needs.

Well since upgrading to the 3090 Kingpin, resizeable bar is something to consider.

The X299 Dark supports resizeable bar. But only with the addition of my least favorite thing. (And my least favorite thing is the Evga bios V1.28 which adds resizeable bar support)

So I flipped over my switch to bios #2 that already had 1.28v on there, I reset the bios and enabled my normal daily settings, with the addition of resizeable bar enabled too. And sure enough we are idling 7C hotter on package temps..

I don’t understand why a CPU can use drastically less voltage, run at a lower frequency, and put out a far worse score and still be drastically hotter all at the same time.

I keep reading about people praise this v1.28 bios for the evga X299 motherboards. Yet I am just not seeing this. Am I just crazy or something?

And is resizeable bar a gimmick? I can’t find much concrete info on it.

Anyways, maybe I am taking R15 numbers, and R20/R23 numbers too seriously? I have always used those as a baseline for optimal performance of my system.

I’m gonna have to dig deeper in to actual real world performance and see if there is an actual improvement in other areas between the two
X299 Dark bios, with and without rebar enabled.

 

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the rebar crap. As far as I am concerned it is just another worthless tech gimmick to try to con the zombie kids into switching over to Windows 10+UEFI. Smoke and mirrors for sheeple IMHO.

 

Just waiting on the Dark now. My 5950X is here.

 

Hopefully soon, bro. I hate waiting for stuff to become available.

 

0,05% from the Gold with the old, LOOL
https://hwbot.org/submission/478526...sic_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_591.27_dx9_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4785266_papusan_3dmark06_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_9634_marks

Maybe wait for the new hybrid phone processors from Intel. We may see them around the release of Win 11 who have the new Hybrid cores scheduler. But I expect you are forced to use this new touch friendly OS to make it work as expected

 

I would just keep that 2080Ti you already have. Such great cards too, I swear by a watercooled and flashed 2080Ti’s. The PC hardware cycle can get pretty annoying, as you’ve just stated, I get the exact same way over stuff too.

Unless you could get a deal on a standard evga 3080/3080Ti Hydro copper at MSRP then maybe so. But even then the performance jump just isn’t really there. (Especially at my resolution of only 2560*1440P)

Maybe I should go 3440x1440? Hmm, decisions, decisions is that another vicious cycle I see coming my way.

 

Rumors, but it seems "Alder Lake is to be supported till at least 2023 on Windows 10 20H2".

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-v...mobile-and-desktop-series-arriving-in-q1-2022

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...uc-11-extreme-compute-element-nuc11dbbi9.html
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/208222/intel-nuc-11-extreme-kit-nuc11btmi9.html
Q3, 2021 for these nucs

 

It has the crippled 65W "desktop laptop" BGA abortion CPU, so it is a gateway to disposable filth infiltration in a space we're it should not be tolerated. Sadly, this garbage will be embraced by the same type of consumer that effed things up for everyone else in the turdbook realm.

 

A short dive for you into Intel Microcode and changes.

"What is microcode? Most consider it to be the underlying firmware for an Intel system. Microcode ultimately controls processor operation as well as the translation between the user-exposed instruction set and the underlying processor design. Within this microcode, the processor can control and react to what code is flowing into the processor, where to send it, how to adjust voltage/frequency, as well as a number of optimizations or fixes that are needed."

https://www.anandtech.com/Show/Inde...fers-small-performance-gains-on-core-i711700k

AMD follow same paths as Intel...


AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX CPU Powered High-Performance Mini PCs On Their Way, SSF Powerhouse Starting at $500 US

 

Garbage spans all brands. The demand for trash is brand agnostic.

 

Vince is saying the X570 Dark is ready....perhaps August at the earliest. I won't hold my breath though. Hopefully Elite get first crack at it.

 

Sold my 5800x and motherboard
In the process of selling my P870TM parted out
Moved the 11900k + MSI MB to the main rig for now

In a holding pattern till:

A good deal on an X170KM appears and/or Prema Bios is available
X570 Dark and AMD refresh pops (Assuming Alderlake is going to be subpar)

Ideally, I'd like to build out a X170KM with the SP94 11900k I have that runs insanely cool, sell the MSI Z590 and then
build out a X570 Dark.

If a good deal on an X170KM crosses my way, I'd build it out earlier and use that till the X570 Dark / AMD Z3+ magic hits.

I'm not sure if/when Ztec is going to have/carry the X170KM.

On another topic...

As for BGA, Acer has sent me 3 models over the last few months 2 evals and 1 beta (at the time):

Aspire 5 i3-111G4 15.6"
Swift 3 5700u 14"
Nitro 5 i5-10300H + 3050 15.6"

I'm not a massive fan of BGA, but I get the appeal to joe consumer and out of the three. The Swift 3 is my favorite hands down.
I absolutely LOVE that little monster. Good battery life, killer IPS 14" display, nice build quality and the 5700u is as powerful as a 9980h multi and
beats it single in CB23. It makes it much easier working with my various Arduino and Raspberry projects than the P870TM too.

I gave the Aspire 5 to the wife and my daughter is already stalking the Nitro 5 to replace her aging P170SM.

 

Some worse than the others. Be sure you see the video on empty stomach. Or at least sit 2 or 3 feets away from the screen while watching This is probably one of the worst pre-built computer you can buy. But at least you get an unisex Intel cooler and backplate for this AMD system, HaHa



Can't breath, LOOL


Yep, the video fitted well in the lions hole

 

Everything Dell/Alienware make is trash... desktop, laptop, whatever. All nothing but messed up, poorly designed, horrible junk.

Let's hope and watch. It will be interesting to see how they do with the firmware on their first-ever AMD motherboard. With Vince's involvement I expect it will be good, but it seems firmware is still a struggle for most AMD motherboard vendors, including ASUS.

 

Who ever snags one better get some money shots!

That motherboard with the next release towards of the end of the year would be a great send off for AM4, well hopefully lol

 

Yes, I suspect it will be at least as costly as a Z490 Dark. There is no legitimate reason for it to cost more though. At least not that I can think of. Ryzen 9 VRM requirements are not as demanding as 10th Gen i9. Like everything else, firmware is the Achilles' Heel. In fact, it would not come as a surprise for everyone to eventually find out Ryzen 9 is capable of performing much better than it does, but for the crappy firmware bugs holding it back. Firmware and drivers have always been an area of weakness for AMD for some reason. They're just apparently not particularly good at either one, and when they're not avid overclockers (like many Intel employees and developers are) it doesn't rank near the top of their priorities list. That is why it was deflating to see a traitor like Azor get hired by AMD. They're not alone. Firmware seems to be an area of weakness for Gigabyte and ASRock as well. ASUS and EVGA seem to be the best at it. I hope EVGA's prowess on the Intel firmware is equally strong on the AMD side. It will need to be for the X570 Dark to be successful. Hardware is super important, but it is not enough all by itself. An important element of their continued success will be doing what they know overclocking enthusiasts want them to do and do their best to ignore what Micro$lop and AMD suggest they do. Intel has given enthusiast hardware manufacturers a lot of wiggle room and often turn a blind eye where doing so serves them well and makes their brand look good.

 

POP_OS! with Cinnamon desktop. Lutris is an easy way to run Cinebench on Linux. I have to put the CPU under load to get the boost clocks to show for screenshots.

 

Discusting to see how cheap they built their system. I wondder if my 51Mr2 is just as bad but i am pretty confident it will fail in the next year. The 240w power supply cable, just started to break again (for the 4th time in 2 years) and my system goes into a support assist boot from time time showing a CPU fan failure.
This reviewier did a great job, showing how dell cheats it's customer with incompatible/cheap parts and forcing warranty purchase.

 

This 3090 Kingpin is a beast! I have been too busy for any serious benching and tweaking and doing run after run. But I have been gaming on it with the memory at +1600 just fine. Portroyal scales like this too. I am really amazed by how good this cards memory is, (Still haven't hit a wall on the memory/ I do feel as if it has to be very soon though)

No dip switches, no classified tool, all original bios on the card, and the included AIO cooler, default fans on the radiator. I broke through 15,300 in port royal. I have been trying to obtain the absolute highest possible score in Port Royal exactly how the card is.

Once the waterblock shows up Thursday, I am going to try for a higher score with the assistance of additional resources. Maybe I can break 16K.

 

Apart from the anticipation and good outcome we all hope to see with the X570 Dark, which X570 mobo do you think is the best one? (Yes, we hate ASUS, but my impression is they're the only one that can be taken seriously in terms of overclocking a Ryzen 9.) Everything available to read on the subject seems to clash and it gives one the impression that none of them are worth a damn if you believe what you read. User error probably represents a sizable number of the negative reviews. Crosshair Hero X570 seems like overall to be the least problematic choice. The ASUS flagship doesn't seem to be any better and it is missing an M.2 slot. Gigabyte Aorus seems to be a love/hate thing with decent hardware and horrible firmware. Hard to sift the fact from fiction with user experience being all over the board.

@Johnksss - we miss you bro. What's up with you? Working hard?
What are your thoughts? Any regrets with the MSI Godlike and 5950X CPU? Does it suck compared to Intel, or just different?

 

On AMD's AM4, RAM overclocking is arguably, the important aspect of the system. When I tried overclocking this platform like Intel's, I got really good results. Then I got deeper into the RAM subtimings, those results got way better.

AMD is a tweaker's worse nightmare and wet dream all in one. I mean for those that really really want to go deep into this cave. It is true AMD has "auto-overclock" functionality in PBO and etc but it still requires you to get your hands dirty to get the best results overall.

I say this to you and everyone else, if you don't want to learn all of the nuances of AM4, don't bother. It requires a lot of patience, trial-and-error and a bit of luck to get a high frequency, RAM and IF to work together for a specific benchmark.

Edit: I'd get either the Dark Hero or the normal Hero from Asus, X570 Dark or I'd still choose my Aorus Xtreme V2 or V3. The Godlike looks good but I have no experience with their boards.

 

Beware! Amazon’s New World MMORPG Could Destroy Your NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Graphics Card

Bro @Falkentyne maybe you want test it? If you are a gamer then be sure you have a spare card, LOOL

 

Lucky for me that I do not like and do not play anything in the RPG, MMORPG game genres.

 

Agree pretty much. My stance is to wait for X570S refresh for any new builders. ASUS / GB / MSI now EVGA all of them are launching these S moniker SKUs. ASUS said it's a new firmware but the power consumption is significantly low for this refresh, still no damn word from AMD what the heck are these new revisions all about, are they going to have Zen3+ OOTB support ? or something else..

The BIOS, Firmware & Drivers, still see people still posting their issues related to the AGESA for the USB even on B550 boards and with 3000 series processors as well esp UASP protocol (This is very important for those all docks which have ASMedia or Jmicron USB3.0 controllers for those HDD docking bays). X570S marks 4th refresh for the Chipset on AMD AM4 motherboards since Zen. AMD produced first with X570 while B550 / X470 / X370 and others all are ASMedia based outsourced built chipset. I don't want to paint AMD as bad or something, their market penetration and people building their PCs with AMD parts and how APUs are doing their task well, which even attracted Valve for their new PC handheld is some feat which PC market desperately needed with that Intel monopoly.

The tuning on this platform as you mentioned is really a ton of work, Core recycler, 1smus tools, Windows Power Plan, WHEA errors checking, voltages on HWInfo vs Ryzen Master, too much for stability if added DRAM even more.. Don't understand why the hell AMD doesn't put a damn Datasheet. It would make things understandable instead of reading millions of discord posts and reddit pages and the forums. Intel CPUs are not issue free but they at-least have lesser amount of complexity vs the Dynamic clock behavior of AMD. Probably to compete with Intel they didn't got the fixed clock speed on the Zen parts and clocked them way high, esp with that XFR and PBO2 etc since at OCN some do mention the Ryzen 5000 debut boosting has been toned down a bit and how can I forget the RMA thread on OCN, probably there's no fundamental ground base unless it's TDP restricted or Auto OCed by AMD. Also it's been a loooong time for them, the break was Zen and they have to learn all that experience now. Intel had this experience for decades.

Even with Alder Lake I believe Intel CPUs will still have a choice to run any core at any particular speed from the PL1/PL2 basis, as per rumors and same high clock speed at 5.0GHz+ on 10nmSF process.

 

Yeah, so much nonsense to have to deal with, it's really a tough thing to decide whether it even warrants consideration. Part of me says, " Yes, do it!" and part of me says, " Hey Fox, are you stupid or what?" LOL. I certainly don't mind tinkering and tuning because that is part of being an enthusiast, and that is the part of me saying "yes" but I DO NOT like dealing with broken crap... even a little bit. And, I have deliberately avoided all things AMD for the past decade because literally every experience I had with AMD involved broken/defective crap, or buggy garbage that didn't overclock worth a damn. I can't think of anything that would be more disappointing that spending $1,200-1,500 on hardware upgrades that I ultimately end up despising and wishing I hadn't wasted my money on. That being said, if I do it and end up being pleased, that would be a first for me with AMD. And, for the first time in a decade, I am open to the possibility that I might be pleased with something made by AMD. It is the possibility that I will not be pleased that I am struggling with.

 

Within 4 months we can see what Intel offer. And you have at least 1 upgrade on top + DDR5.

 

Yup. There should be no sense of urgency right now. Prices are also still totally absurd.

If I have to fight with a platform for a week to accidentally get a great benchmark score only to find that I can't replicate the results after rebooting, I am definitely not going to be a happy camper. I have read complaints from people that have great CPU and RAM overclocking results for a day or two, then suddenly settings that worked great are no longer bootable and they have to clear NVRAM and start over. That would really suck.

I am very curious what Brother @Johnksss experience has been with his 5950X. I see a few really great benchmark scores from him on HWBOT, but not a ton of activity. It might only be because he is too busy with work, but it might be that he has regrets. I guess we will see what he has to say.

 

And if you can smell the smoke, maybe buy a cheap card so you can continue game while you wait on the repair





Amazon defends alleged GPU-killing game, but will patch it anyway pcworld.com

EVGA and Nvidia are investigating reports that new game is bricking GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 cards. Regardless, warranties will cover any sudden deaths.

“New World makes standard DirectX calls as provided by the Windows API. We have seen no indication of widespread issues with 3090s, either in the beta or during our many months of alpha testing,” the company’s spokeswoman said. “The New World Closed Beta is safe to play. In order to further reassure players, we will implement a patch today that caps frames per second on our menu screen. We’re grateful for the support New World is receiving from players around the world, and will keep listening to their feedback throughout Beta and beyond.”

For what it’s worth, Amazon’s New World goes live in August and is available for pre-order for $40. We won’t include a link out of the risk for GeForce RTX 3090 owners who might click on it

 

I will test it!! I’m not afraid lol.(Frame cap= Disabled) poof smoke!!!

Although usually I draw the line with MMO games as well.

I only like RPG’s like Fallout or Skyrim or Cyberpunk 2077.

My attention span is pretty small. So a game should interest me within the first few minutes lol.

 

I managed to squeeze a 17% memory bandwidth boost out of this 3090 Kingpin. Considering it is 936.2GB memory bandwidth stock. 17% on top of that is not too shabby!

 

Amazon, Google, Micro$lop, Facepoot, Twatter... they always defend their sins because they know there will eventually be hell to pay for their high crimes. They can't allow anything that goes against their narrative because it exposes their sins and implicates them as accomplices. It doesn't matter what the subject matter is, it is always someone else's fault, or the information is censored as "inaccurate or misleading" because it exposes the lies of the like-minded Nazis they sleep with. So, of course they're not going to admit that they scewed up. And, they're going to pretend to be taking the high road by patching it. If they cared about doing the right thing they would replace the GPUs that their digital trash destroyed.

 

This is interesting...
Intel Core i9-12900K benchmark leak puts the Alder Lake-S way beyond the capabilities of the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | Notebookcheck
Based on leaked benchmark results, the Core i9-12900K will be more competition to AMD than the Core i9-11900K has been. Supposedly, the Core i9-12900K outscores the Ryzen 9 5950X by up to 25% and the Core i9-11900K by over 90%.

 

And I just bought a Clevo X170SM-G with a Comet Lake CPU. Heh, everything gets replaced with something better sooner or later. I don't regret my purchase one bit since it is still a massive upgrade over my Ranger, and it will do what I need for the foreseeable future.

I maintain that efficiency is important on all platforms, even desktops, but absolute performance is definitely the most important attribute.

If existing cooling systems can't handle the heat output of high performance CPUs, then those cooling systems just need to be improved. Desktops were meant to support parts with ridiculously high power draws. Bring it on!

AMD having more efficient CPUs doesn't really help on the desktop side when you can't utilize the power headroom gained to push performance further. That's the whole point of increasing efficiency: to get better performance using the same amount of power as before.

 

I agree with that definition of efficiency. Unfortunately, the trend seems to be skewed by an obsession to use less power, or doing more with less. I would much rather do more with more. For example, I thought it was awesome that my 7980XE could suck 1000W+ from the wall with all cores at 5.2GHz under heavy loads. The emphasis shouldn't be using less power than before as much as how much further can I push the performance using that same kilowatt that I am already consuming with a more efficient CPU?

 

Yep, but manage 11% above a Ryzen Cpu from 2020 with a new Intel chips available for early 2022 in multi threaded benchmarks ain't much to be happy about. The damn phone cores destroy all too much. I expect Intel mostly will talk/bragging about the +25% lead in single core/threads benchmarks/applications (IPC gains)). Same also how nice it will be with the small weak power-efficient cores in your dayly compute usage.

Remember the foundation in Amber lake is built for notebooks and meant to try stop AMD eating into the valuable Jokebook market. A desktop chips meant/built for laptops.

Edit.
Imagine how good this would be with 16 real cores?

 

I focus on single core first as that truly shows you how the chips are performing and then you can start stacking cores if available to your desired config. If a CPU has a weaker architecture but just overwhelms the benchmarks with cores, that isn't a win to me. I want to see clock for clock where AL ranks vs RL and Zen3 and then go from there to create a clearer picture.

11900k was a stop gap precursor of things to come as I posted before with results while Zen3 had the slight IPC advantage clock for clock, RL scales higher frequency wise and eclipses it. Alder Lake is the next step in that process both IPC and fab. If Intel had been able to shove 16 cores on the 11th gen and been realistic in PLs, they would have taken the lead back in multicore....while shutting down the local power grids and being absolutelyunable to cool outside of chilled water or greater.

This doesn't take into account Zen3+ which will be even faster and ironically looks like it could be AMD's "Rocket Lake." A stop gap measure till Zen4 in 2022, but I'm not so sure of the status of Zen3+:

https://min.news/en/digital/be5f65e6ee7435a6d3703ae88c85a499.html

If Zen4 stays on track, it will be a monster. Alder Lake is a nice response by Intel, but they're going to need something massively "next level" to distance themselves like they did years ago with the Core, Nehalem and Skylake architectures as AMD has truly caught up (and surpassed in many regards) to both Intel and Nvidia.

 

Exactly bro. I am taking everything with a grain of salt but Intel is going to go on and on about how powerful their single core IPC is. This will be the same mindset they had when they kept pushing 4 core procs.

I wait for their HEDT response because I can't imagine they will continue to concede that market to AMD.

 

I think Intel will work hard to try please Microsoft with power-efficient chips so their only real partner letf have someting to compete with. Same for the OEM who grab most of the chips to put in their thin and slimy. DIY aka retail for enthusiasts will come second or last.

Microsoft silicon: Is it time for Microsoft to join Apple and Google in the chip game windowscentral.com


"Sag said. "Microsoft needs the power of the entire ARM ecosystem and its silicon vendors if it wants to fight Apple on the M1 front. This, of course, puts even more strain on the Wintel (Windows + Intel) unspoken alliance."

Will Nvidia now continue tighten further on the safety features so you will be more locked out from tampering with your own paid cards? Could be, because of Amazon's beta/alphaware.

Design-related EVGA problem instead of NVIDIA issue? EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 vs. Amazon’s New World and first insights | Exclusive igorslab.de

 

It’s time! I am going to run the 3dmark stress test exactly how the card is first, then I am
going to run it again after installing the Hydro Copper.

 

Baseline with

Stock 360MM AIO hybrid cooler.
25C/77F ambient temps
LN2 Rbar KP 520 bios W/ 121% power limit.
100% fans
all default clock speeds.

 

Here is my 3090 Kingpin Hydro copper kit unboxing.

 

Nice video, bro.

 

I don't think FedEx likes me anymore. I had a few conversations with some "managers". I am going up the chain a bit.

Anyway, Enjoy bro!

 

THIS. This is what I am interested in now....



However, it is not until Sapphire Rapids with Golden Cove will Intel be able to over take AMD.

 

Check out this writing on the 3090 KP die. I thought it was pretty interesting.

What could 199K mean?

 

Yes, it would be interesting to know why that is written on the die support frame. It could be a 5 rather than a K. I also wonder what the "1" in the other corner means and what the two felt tip markings are there for. I suspect we will never know why or what those things mean.

 

Looks like a 5 to me.

Maybe post up in the EVGA forums to see if anyone else had writing on their die frames.

 

These are binned chips, most likely something to do with it. The marks are easy. Those are validator markings. Either they are actual stamps, marks or initialed stickers.