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This is gonna sound pretty ridiculous, but here goes. So as I posted before, my bios somehow became seriously corrupted on my motherboard. Yes all of them lol. I don’t know how or why this could even be possible. But something crazy started happening with this motherboard.

I don’t have access to another PC anywhere near or around me. And I work from home too, so I needed to figure out a way to re-install the bios on this board. I downloaded the evga Z490 KP bios and I was going to extract the files on a USB thumb drive, then use the flash feature Evga has built in to the board. Well, apparently a MacBook Air M1 (My only option) cannot unpack a Bin file. I tried numerous different application with this. I spent hours at it. Most of these apps are optimized or only work with prior Intel X86 MacBooks.. So Unzipping a bin file proved to be physically impossible on a M1 MacBook with BigSur. I have a hard time grasping MacOS. The machine is great for running light games, and heavy videos, heavy browsing, or even heavy video editing. But when it comes down to doing even some of the simplest of things it fails miserably. They make a pretty sleek and thin looking product, but overall functionality is just ridiculous lol

I gave up and just ordered another Z490 Dark Kingpin motherboard with overnight shipping directly from Evga. Fortunately these motherboards were reduced to $399. And I managed to use someone’s associate code, and a discount code too. So I managed to get a new Z490KP for $339.99. Unfortunately the overnight shipping really just made it the normal $399 again.

Oh well, anyways a new board is in route.

 

You don't keep a backup PC of some sorts around the house? Yikes, I have like 5 (or whatever the count is in the sig atm). I take it you sold your 7980xe setup then? Hopefully you can get the board repaired but man buying a brand new one outright? Whew... good luck!

 

If someone would have sent you an ISO file with the BIOS, you couldn't flash it?

It sounds like Big Sur's security got the best of you. You have to disable certain security measures via terminal.

 

I just cancelled the order for the motherboard.

At this point I think It’s the CPU.

PC was working great last night too. My kids were playing VR on it right before they went to bed. I sent them to bed, and I turned it off through windows start menu. I only run 5.2Ghz on it daily all core with 1.325V.

I came back about 2 hours later, and it would not power on at all (Just dead) so I reset the cmos, and nothing happen! I went through each CMOS one by one, trying to get it to show any signs of life. And it was acting like a crazy person with split personalities lol, it would freeze for a long time before hitting the Bios, and only one specific bios would work. The other bios would show 7F code, or B3 code. Further trouble shooting led to a very quick down hill decent in to worse behavior. However, the motherboard would present different codes with different trouble shooting methods.




I have successfully re-flashed all of the bios now.

And it’s just code 00 on the debug display. Both dimm1 and dimm2 lights are red.


Very strange for it to Kick the bucket like that. I’ve never had a CPU just die on me.

PS, I did try every troubleshooting method possible. I re-seated the CPU. Memory, GPU, etc. everything.

Code 00.

I’m gonna bring the cpu to my brothers house tonight who is about 70 miles away. Gonna test it in his Z490 Aorus board. Hopefully it works. Because I really really like this 10900K direct die chip. It’s fantastic!!


I just want to know what’s dead lol. I am also gonna bring back my brothers 10850K to test in my z490 Dark KP.

 

I wish you would have texted me or I would have seen this earlier. Yes, having the switch in between caused that most likely. But, you can do a BIOS flash using the mobo (can do this on ASUS as well). All you need is the BIOS on a USB FAT32 stick. I am almost 99.9% sure there is nothing wrong with the board. I had this happen to me once before with the switch in the middle.

Did you already try clearing the CMOS with the BIOS switch in each of the three positions?

It never hurts to have a backup part, but that is a lot of money to spend on something you should not need.

Yes, you can flash a Dark board and most ROG boards with nothing but power connected. No CPU, RAM or anything else required. Just a USB FAT32 stick.

I am not sure what this means. I have not heard about this.

I doubt the CPU has an issue. Almost positive it is BIOS got corrupted with the switch between two positions when turning it on. As I mentioned, happened to me before (a couple of times) caused by that exactly. All of the symptoms you are experiencing are the same and a simple BIOS recovery flash fixed it up. You need to do that in all three BIOS switch positions. You do not have to reboot between flashes. Simply move the switch to the new position and do the BIOS recovery flash, then repeat for the third position.

 

The boards z490 dark actually included a USB thumb drive to recover the bios. I held down the reset button with the stick in the board. And it counts down from 4 sec to 0 sec on the debug led, then begins bios recovery. After it finishes, the debug led only reads code 00

I can’t get technical at all on a MacBook lol. I did go in and unlock some admin setting or somethings in the account settings that allows changes or 3rd parts apps to do something. I managed to get other files to unpack on a MacBook using terminal and commands. But this bin file was not mixing well with anything. (This is my first Mac ever) I have had it about 4-5 months now. So I am a novice using such an OS.

 

Ok, I am going to try each bios switch one by one. I didn’t do them all. Only recovered two of them.

 

Big Sur is Apple's current MacOS. They always give them code names based on themes that run for X amount of years. Before it was cats.

I have my old spare MSI Z590 motherboard if you need it to run some tests. I can ship it to you to test out the CPU(s) in case your Z490 and brother's motherboard is a no go. Just ship it back when you're finished with it.

 

Unfortunately, I feel as if I have reached the irreversible damage phase.


The count down works, and it does spin clockwise for about 2-5 minutes like it’s doing something positive. However, it just finishes the recovery and then powers off, then back on. With code 00.

I started the process with the PC off, and I did attempt to recover each individual bios switch 1,2 and then 3. Then I tried it a few more times in the same order, and backwards.


I still see 00 even with no memory installed, and no cpu installed. So this certainly seems to be pointing to the motherboard. If the board was operating correctly, pretty sure I would see some sort of indication after removing components.

 

Same also for sub 6 cores Cpu's.

System requirements: Deathloop wants at least six cores computerbase.de

Bethesda names detailed system requirements for Deathloop, which include resolution and frame rates. The bad news: Even for 1080p with low details, the computer next to the screen can only be moderately antique. Among other things, it should be six cores.

 

Well dang it. That sucks. If it is the motherboard I still have it under warranty and can do an RMA. Let me know.

 

Lol, if you guys think Microsoft is bad with Windows 11 and trying to treat their users like children, don't use Big Sur. Unfortunately, I have to know it for help desk purposes. Every time Apple releases an update for Big Sur, they undo EVERY SINGLE change...smh. One of these days, I have to write a script.

 

Yeah I bought the MacBook M1 for ease of use for school work, or connecting to my desktop remotely. It’s a beast no doubt. Mine is a 8 core GPU model 1TB storage and 16GB of ram right on the cpu. And I still love it no matter the work arounds required. I was merely frustrated out of my own stupidity of MacOS earlier lol. The OS is very reliable, long battery life, and no fans to worry with. They aren’t flimsy and cheap at all.

 

I really appreciate that. But Evga will take care of it. They are the only company that offers 2nd hand warranty on their products for the remainder of the manufacturer warranty to 2nd hand owners in the US only with a proof of purchase, Evga doesn’t care where they bought it from either (So long as it was bought from the original owner). Other companies would hang you out to dry for sure. This is why their used cards fetch a large premium even broken. If it’s has stickers for the S/N attached, and no physical damage it may as well be a working GPU lol.

I registered the Z490 KP right after I received it from you.

Once I get the email back from Evga support with the ticket number, I will open the RMA.

Its nice how Evga doesn’t discriminate on 2nd hand items though, because my Evga KP waterblock is registered, and my 3090 KP is registered too that I got from @Rage Set (Even though these components are essentially all new really)


Anyways, it was me being careless that broke
It. I place 120mm fans around my GPU that blow on the back during benchmarking and gaming etc. And these fans literally sit right on top of that bios switch, and that other switch that’ll force the cpu to run 800Mhz. I probably bumped it not realizing it. And that’s what messed the bios up.

I will let you know if I have any problems.

 

Hey I really really do appreciate that offer. So far I have everything worked out. I am gonna go and pick up my brothers whole desktop tomorrow, and just have at it. With confirming for sure what is and what isn’t broken.

I am really curious to see what a 10850K is capable of on good cooling too. He has a little 240 AIO, and he’s always talking about how his cpu is 90-100C.

 

Was browsing HWBOT earlier today and found this crazy i5 480m record. How the hell did this guy bump the bus speed to 167.67mhz? Is he messing with the voltage that's going into the chipset?

 

Yeah, EVGA is a wonderful company. If that were an ASUS board you would be totally screwed. They'd deny warranty to the anyone except the original owner. And, there is no such thing as advance RMA. You pay to ship it and wait. And wait, and wait. Then they find some lame excuse for it to be your fault. I really hate that both of my systems have ASUS motherboards, because they absolutely suck as a company.

 

Yeah EVGA is amazing, however if you have a good product and you don't do stupid stuff to it like me, you'll be just fine with Asus haha. My lasted experience was when I paid like $800 dollars for a Gigabyte 2080Ti Windforce on eBay. (This was when it was still considered the fastest GPU available still, and they were fetching much more than this. The seller said that his son attempted to repast the card, and his son lost some screws during reassembly. He said the card still ran and worked perfectly fine as is, only much hotter than usual at 85-90C and throttled the clocks due to overheating. So I bought it. I had all of the replacement screws, and I re-pasted and re-assembled like it was from the factory. After firing the card up, it ran for about 5-10 minutes before becoming an artifacting mess! It wasn't overheating at all. It was just one of the few that were affected by the space invader artifacting with bad memory. Anyways, Gigabyte laughed me off. So when I do end up with an EVGA product I feel blessed.

I am thinking of some actual fixes too, and I have a Soic8 clip and a SPI flasher laying around somewhere. Couldn't I just clamp on the Soic 8 and force flash a new bios to my Z490 Kingpin board and fix it my self? I have not used this little kit in a while, but I used it on a turd book BGA gtx1070 before, and it on used on Clevo mxm GTX1080 too.

The X299 Dark had a claw latching mechanism for the socketed bios chip, (Very very cool feature) EVGA did not use this on the Z490 Dark. Or else they would probably just mail me a new bios chip. But maybe I can force flash it?

 

I had no idea that my 10900K would work on a Z590 motherboard! After finding this out, and looking at the Z590 dark, this board is very very appealing lol. Too bad they're out of stock. I really like the color of the heatsinks being all copper like that, it matches my 3090 Kingpin HC block perfectly.

I do need to have two PC's. Since I did cancel my previous order today for a Z490 Dark, I am considering re-ordering another motherboard and building a 2nd PC inside of a case.

I need a work PC inside a case, and I need a play PC which will be on my test bench.

 

You might need a chip dump from someone with the same board. I am not sure that the .BIN and .ROM files for the system BIOS are directly programmable using an SPI programmer. Unless laptops are different, as @Prema always said that would not work on a Clevo. Perhaps it is because the firmware archive includes other devices, like the EC, and the chip dump is only the BIOS. That might explain why it works for GPUs but not motherboards.

I am not sure if the BIOS chips on the newer mobos are SOIC8/SOP8 ICs. I think that is why the Z490 Dark and X299 Dark differ and the socket was no longer available. The BIOS1 IC in the socket was a nice feature on the X299 Dark. There are a total of 3 chips, but only the IC for BIOS1 was socketed. I wish this kind of stuff never changed. The more technology changes, the less user-friendly it becomes. That might be intentional and due to nefarious underlying motives, too.

I know I could not locate the BIOS chips on the Z490 Dark mobo. On the ASUS Maximus XII Apex that was my first Z490 board... you know, the one that died and killed my best binned 10900KF in the process... had smaller ICs with more pins. They were clearly labeled on the PCB on the Apex board, but they were cleverly hidden under the PCH heat sink. Had they not been labeled I never would have recognized them as BIOS chips because they did not resemble an SOIC8/SOP8 chip even remotely.

On the X299 Dark and Z490 Dark you can do a firmware flash on a corrupted chip in the BIOS if at least one is bootable. You boot from the bootable chip, enter the BIOS and move the selection switch to another position and flash the firmware within the BIOS to the chip correlating to the position the switch was moved to.

Yes. And, you can also use the inferior 11th Gen Intel CPUs with fewer cores, higher memory latency, hotter running, and not deliddable (new "features" - see my comment above about less user-friendly) on a Z490 board if you are looking for a downgrade that costs more.

 

One (among many) reasons I love EVGA as their sane warranty policies infuse value into the 2nd hand market. Every time I've needed a repair, it has been handled competently. Last was my old Z390 FTW Motherboard.

That's no problem. In a group of friendly hardware enthusiasts, it pains me to see someone potentially spend a lot of money if it can be diagnosed/tested with spare equipment I (or someone else) has to get to the root of the problem and get back up and running.

You could always enter the queue and wait, but the Z490/Z590 supports both 10th and 11th which is why I was bummed out @Prema didn't update the BIOS on the X170SM-G to support 11th gen.

I always keep a second (or third) PC of some sort laying around and laptop(s) just for these reasons. Let us know how your adventures with your brother's equipment pans out.

 

Yeah the 11900K is pretty silly for me, but maybe not the next person for just overall gaming it’s fast and if that’s all that someone can purchase (In-Stock) then what can we do lol. But yeah totally satisfied with my 10900K SP91 this is actually a really good chip too, I managed to get 5.3Ghz very very stable on it (Maybe not true stable, but definitely 98% stable ). 5.4Ghz will only (Kinda stabilize) (Not true stability, but mostly gaming stable) with really high auto voltages using tons of Vdroop with around 405 watts of power consumption running R15 reported by HWInfo. I only consider Z590 because the board looks really awesome, and my 10900K works on it lol. Re-mounting this Signature V2 block with liquid metal made all the difference in the world. I was able to run 5.2Ghz at 1.325v, while previously it needed around 1.370V with thermal paste.

When the AMD Ryzen 5900X and 5950X lived primarily sold out and scalped eearlier this year, Intel took advantage and released the 11700K and 11900K as a tool that works for primarily gaming. It had competitive IPC, and it was just a gaming CPU. And I don’t agree with their pricing one bit, however Intel can produce their own silicon. And they were selling out of these things while AMD was barely re-stocking.

 

For me, the 11900K actually made sense to go to since I was coming from a 4930MX. I still got a 10900K instead though after seeing that it beats the 11900K in most scenarios, and consumes significantly less power for the exact same workloads.

 

Yeah, for normal water cooling those are crazy good results. Not many people can run high clocks like that on ambient water temperatures, even with a silicon sample as good as that one. I miss that CPU, especially considering I can't do 5.0GHz on chilled water with 5950X; whereas the 7960X and 7980XE were very impressively benched, and frequently, at 5.3GHz on chilled water while pulling more than double the watts. People can criticize Intel as much as they want to, but they are still the better option overall for overclocking enthusiasts that do not enjoy struggling with hardware and firmware limitations. I am disappointed that Intel is doing the chiplet thing now. I think that is part of the reason Ryzen is limited on things like overclocking and memory latency. It is a more complex design that is more difficult to have everything work as smoothly. And, we can see the adverse implications that is having on Intel overclocking now. As they say, "monkey see, monkey do" LOL.

I do not have the AMD USB bug during normal use, but when I run things like the AIDA64 Cache and Memory Benchmark and Cinebench with the CPU and memory overclocked to near their functional limits, then the USB connections do drop in and out like I am unplugging and plugging in USB devices randomly.

Either of those CPUs is a truly MASSIVE upgrade from 4930MX. More than a night and day difference... like from a different universe.

 

Yeah I figured. I'm still waiting on my X170SM-G from zTecpc. I can't wait for it to come so I can take my 10900K for a spin.

That RTX 2080 Super is also going to be a massive upgrade. I specifically got this model + a delidded 10900K from ebay so I can get my 144 fps in every game I play. I'm going to be a very happy camper when the laptop arrives. This will be my new primary machine.

Due to multiple delays, it won't come until the end of this month or the beginning of next month. I ordered this thing in mid July, but the wait will have been worth it!

 

So according to Vince on the Dark MB's it is best to grab some low cl ram like cl14 at 3600 and run gear1. Seems this is better than running high cl and loose timiing 4800 or 5333 ram.. What do you guys think? Doing a build for someone and trying decide on the best ram to get he prefers 64 gb 32x2 but can live with 16gbx2 if he has too.

 

Yeah my temps are pretty superb! I have learned that proper mount and TIM is key with ambient water.

Now my water temp is always really cool since running the Alphacool 1080x45 external radiator.

These are some screen shots from a few videos I made on my iPhone. Demonstrating max temps during R15 loops at 5.3Ghz all core, and 5.4Ghz all core.

Going from thermal paste direct die to liquid metal direct die totally transformed the CPU. I was actually getting weird crashing at 5.2Ghz on thermal paste direct die. Because solder with an IHS, is actually better than direct die and thermal paste and no IHS. So this explained the weird crashing at 5.2Ghz, it’s almost like the heat transfer wasn’t happening well enough the CPU would just crash even though it wasn’t running hot.

Once I through on liquid metal. I was really blown away by this chip!! These max temps stay roughly the same no matter how many runs are performed.


But these screen shots below are both on liquid metal, and direct die. What I am experiencing though is, even with really cool temps the CPU just won’t do some things lol.

Also, this is only R15 so heavier AVX loads can heat it up a little further. But yes 5.3Ghz all core is solid as a rock for day to day usage.

Also, I found that for running 5.4Ghz all core the cache at 43-45 would offer much much better stability. I also managed to get these cores really tight with temp deviation. A lot of 10900K’s just can’t do this at all.

 

Anyone want a z590 dark my number just came up on the list. I have until 10pm eastern time tonight to buy it. Will be my cost plus shipping to you. Just trying to help out if anyone wants one.

 

I think it depends on what they're doing. Running sloppy loose timings is not good even when the clock speed is high. That's why they new turdbook 3200MHz CL22 memory that uses 1.200V is an absolutely cruel joke that is being played on ignorant turdbook gamerboys that believe they are getting something special when, in reality, what they're getting is very crappy memory designed to be bootable on a piece of crap with no tuning capabilities. The ideal thing is to run high clock speeds and low timings. I think when you're doing extreme overclocking with sub-zero cooling, high clock speeds can introduce some stability problems, so running the lower clock speed with tighter timings is more stable. The new CPUs are also different and the "gear" thing is there to accommodate an inherent weakness in the new platform that nobody needed to put up with before 11th Gen architecture was introduced.

That's very kind of you to offer that. If it were an X570 Dark I would say to sign me up.

 

EDIT: EDIT: EDIT:

(BAD 10900K SP91 Confirmed) (It was fun while it lasted heh)

Anyways, I dropped the 10850K in the Z490 Dark and my motherboard went wild, through flickering on the oled from OC to 7F to OC to 7F and it then went through normal post codes and loaded right in the bios. Yay!

10900K is 100% EL-Deado though.


I have never broken a CPU before lol. It was a lot of fun though. I don’t exactly know how it broke. But I have a hunch that the liquid metal may have penetrated the diffusion barrier of the silicon and some how the liquid metal made its way inside the die. (When it first started to freak out, it was saying my 3090KP was 2x lanes/ then 4x lanes/ then 16x lanes, then 8X lanes. Then it couldn’t train memory at all.

For a minute there I was afraid the Z490 dark was on a CPU murdering rampage, so I hit that little switch that forces 0.600 volts and 800Mhz just in case. Before booting with the 10850K.

In all honesty, I am kinda glad that it’s not my motherboard. I can just grab another 10900K or 10900KF

I’m gonna try to fetch a good one if possible.

 

Seriously, I was gonna buy one of these too!

I actually ordered another Z490 Dark KP on the Evga website, because I thought my board was dead. And with overnight shipping it wasn’t that far off in price either.

^ Some inner power willed me cancel this order through Evga lol.

And sure enough! My Z490 Dark KP lives on! And instead, my 10900K was the culprit the whole time.

 

That is really strange, Brother @tps3443 that the CPU gave up the ghost. I've been using liquid metal under IHS and bare die since 6700K with no issues. How would it penetrate the die? Anyhoo, I hope you can get another one as good as that one (or better). Bummer.

 

OK, making some headway. This was at 3800 CL14. I will test this weekend with 4000 CL15 (which is booting fine). Definitely not going to do 50x on chilled water. Cinebench is right on the cusp of hitting 100°C at 49x. I might be at the end of the line due for benching capacity to the volcanic activity. It is interesting that 7960X and 7980XE could bench at 5.3GHz on chilled water and get nowhere nearly as hot pulling 1000W. This is pulling nowhere near that much. I guess the delid and bare die made the difference. Although, 5950X needs more voltage for 4.9GHz than either of those Intel CPUs needed for 5.3GHz.

 

Unless you cracked the actual die I wouldn't expect LM to go through the diffusion barrier. The GPU reporting 2x/x4 pci-e is something I've seen with poor socket contact (ie. no ILM/die guard). I would try to remount it with a stock ihs and see whether it would boot again.

 

Gosh, that extra 20ns of latency on Ryzen sure is special.

 

That makes sense to me. In addition to that, he was running the CPU with no screws in the die frame. That could contribute to poor pin contact.

Brother @tps3443 test that CPU in your brother's motherboard (or your own) using the die frame with the screws holding it down properly and see if it boots. While it's possible the CPU died somehow it's not very likely. The only one that I had kick the bucket was killed when my Asus mobo died and took it out in the process.

 

Yeah the 10900K is 100% done for.

The very first thing I did was re-install the IHS and install the 10900K in my brothers computer. CPU LED red immediately. I reset cmos, and tried again. And then tried again. Only Red CPU led.

Also, I only ran the die frame with no screws for about 12-18 hours, and that was it. I re-installed the die frame screws the very next morning, something about it bothered me, and just seemed incomplete. So die frame screws have been re-installed long before these problems even occurred.

The whole thing on LM soaking in to the core is just a hunch. I have no idea what happen to it. I was hitting it with voltage pretty hard last Friday on direct die, and on LM.


I have never personally killed a CPU either. My 7980XE was getting scrubbed in LM all the time lol. I had it out every few months. Sometimes re-doing LM over and over and over again just in one day in search of perfect mount.

I did re-install the ILM on the Z490 Dark and try the 10900K again on it too. It’s dead. I had two 8086K’s before that. Never had an issue.

It’s alright though. I’m just glad I got my PC running again.

 

Yeah I don’t think LM could easily do that either, it was just a random thought, or possibility, there really wasn’t a better conclusion to come up with. The die looks perfect though. The whole CPU looks perfect honestly.

I have tested it in two motherboards with Intel Original latching mechanism and IHS back on it. It reports 00 in one board, and CPU red LED is on the other board.

This 10900K was mounted perfectly with direct die, and LM applied too, it ran great at 5.3Ghz everyday. Me and my kids were playing VR, and I turned my PC off. I came back a few hours later, and it would not power on. Once I finally got the PC to power on, the post codes were going insane as was the bios in general. I lost function in the bios within minutes of trouble shooting, and all bios started with debug code 00.

Of all people I want this cpu to work. My bios switch was in a neutral position when the PC originally wouldn’t power back on. So it is possible maybe the motherboard damaged the CPU after I finally got the board to turn on.

I know this for sure,

I was very careful with the cpu I mounted it and re-mounted it several times with no issues using standard thermal paste on direct die, my core to core temps were crap. (I was all out of LM so I just used paste) Once I got some more liquid metal, I remounted it again. Temps were fantastic after that, CPU ran absolutely phenomenal for a few days.

Things do happen though. It’s possible I just damaged it from overclocking. I was hitting it really hard last Friday with auto voltages.

I will get some pictures up tomorrow of the CPU after I take it back out of my brothers computer.

 

Sounds like you did indeed lose it, . Were you running auto voltages 5.4Ghz? AFAIK the VF tables aren't populated for that high of a frequency.

 

On a different note

I've been slowly leaning towards building an all gaming rig and wanted to get some feedback from you guys. Only thing that kept me from doing so was pricing of 3xxx cards, but it seems that is slowly changing now.

10900KF - regular K SKUs are all sold out
MSI MEG Unify z590i - 2 dimm mini itx that can push high memory clocks
2x 16Gb Ripjaws 4266/4400 cl17 - something fast
3080ti TUF - 1500$ currently while STRIX is 2300+, edit: nvm they all sold out everywhere lol
1000w powersupply
nvme drive
a case - not sure, I dont care about how it looks just performance

As for cooling, not too sure what route to go, custom loop or just stick to plain 360/420mm AIO to keep the cost down, since it will only be doing gaming and that shouldn't run hot. I'll likely delid it as well and go direct die to push it above 5Ghz.

 

Can you post high quality pict of the top and bottom of the Cpu?

What I have read from Igors lab, new modern Cpu's don't burn out.

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Alleged Intel Alder Lake Core i9-12900KF, Core i7-12700KF, Core i5-12600KF CPU Benchmarks & Prices Leak Out
I wonder how much the DDR5 ram affected the scores. I expect if the benchmarks is real it was run with next gen ram and not DDR4. CBR20/23 scores etc can be pretty skewed due new or faster ram.

Intel Z690 chipset: Alder Lake-S brings many connections in the desktop

 

If you were in the states, I got a rig I'd have sold you. Although that mobo is really good for RAM overclocking

 

Thanks brother, I would have been more inclined to grab parts outside EU had it not been for the 25% import tax. I'll wait around and see how the market is towards holiday season.

 

Once I get off work tonight yes.

 

I was running auto voltages for 5.4Ghz with 50% more vdroop. Yes. This was on a z490 Dark KP.

 

Thank you. I was eyeing all my options since this purchase of mine should be lasting for years for me. So I just got OCD'd into this whole AMD USB thing, always searching on reddit and OCN etc and saw all boards having issues, which made me to wait for the X570S refresh, sadly it arrived way too late now, so reports are hard to find as well. Plus AMD has this another refresh on the AM4 socket is simply superb. I mean their entire Zen 3 silicon is literally built with this in mind, they have the VIA holes on the die itself for all the Ryzen 5000 / EPYC Milan 7003 series processors. Which they will populate with that stacked Cache.

That whole RealTek thing is a mess, sadly I think all the upcoming board are going to use the same Audio Codec 408x. MSI's X570S Ace Max has 8xSATA and ton of USB and good PCIe slot spacing and config flexibility it also has this new codec. Every ASUS board will use the same, since Apex XIII.

Maybe I'm overthinking a lot - PCIe slot spacing (HBA card for SAS / extra SATA ports), bus speed 3.0 vs 4.0. SATA ports, esp ASMedia ones. Drivers for LAN and Audio. For WiFi chip, I think should be able do a swap with Intel 8260N M.2 card for Windows 7, saw one guy doing that on Dark Hero.

Anyways the finalized list of the boards which can run proper Windows 7 without any issues plus have some good BIOS features and HW features are - 10900K + Z490 DARK / Z590 Dark should also do it, as Luumi said already but waiting for his video. X570 Crosshair VIII Dark Hero is best on AMD platform. Aorus / GB has a ton of features and Windows 7 is also fine on them but their customer service stories is keeping me away from them, their X570S Aorus Master is ALC1220 too as a bonus, X570 Aorus Xtreme is also ALC1220.

I guess, bro papu you do not game much but here's the real deal of this ...

Arkane studios is dead to my eyes, they made Dishonored a mess. 2 was serviceable despite the outsider controversy story, but it had loads of issues on that Void engine, id Tech 5. Dishonored was on Unreal Engine and simply a superb game and had none of the issues. They later released a DLC type game which killed the IP.

The same folks released PREY 2017 / It should have been named as TALOS 1 instead of that stolen IP miraculously that game was a solid immersive sim title despite the horrible direction the studio went (They even hired that Anita Sarkeesian who is the infamous feminist during Dishonored 2 and the Death of Outsider which killed the game series for good and more of her likes from Twitter). Since this is the subject, look how Bethesda murdered this beautiful game, PREY 2. A sequel to the old id Tech 4 powered PREY 2006 masterpiece. Humanhead studios is now dead we will never see this game at all. A big big blow to the PC gaming. Look how this game is leagues ahead of any game esp Cyberpunk. It's the real gameplay, they even had a build which was almost beta. And Bethesda axed it.





So after all that Zenimax, the owner of the Bethesda which owns all the studios put all the IPs on ice... now since M$ bought them up, and probably the studio has to churn out something they made this Deathloop the less I say is better, the fact that they are simply rehashing the Dishonored mechanics with new assets which look cartoonish and ugly demanding such high requirements is a real damn joke plus it is the same Void engine with updates ( Note - DOOM 2016 is made on Id Tech 6 and if they use that and end up worse I do not have any words, DOOM 2016 runs on the lowest bare min garbage HW well because of it's insane optimization) which these idiots failed to optimize now expect it to be worse than Dishonored 2, any of the old Crytek games absolutely shred that in fidelity and optimization honestly look better than a lot of 2021 games too (Crysis 2, 3 , Ryse Son of Rome, Homefront Revolution, heck the 2017 PREY is made on Crytek and it looks a lot better). So all in all that game is going to be an unoptimized ugly dumpster fire.

Do you remember about when Alder Lake was unveiled about the Dynamic Memory feature ? Here's more.
Get ready for Gear 4, even more worse latency.

Intel Z690 chipset for Alder Lake CPUs detailed, supports DDR4/DDR5 memory and Gear4 mode

The 12th Gen Core CPU will either support DDR5 or DDR4 memory in the dual-channel configuration. This diagram actually reaffirms the slide from Intel Architecture Day which mentioned DDR5-4800 and DDR4-3200 support. The site claims that the DDR5 memory will support Gear 2 (by default) or Gear 4 settings, which means that the controller will be working at 1/2 or 1/4 of the data rate to ensure compatibility and memory overclocking support.

 

I'm still not sold on gear 2 outside of bandwidth benchmarks. Gear 1 super tight timings is the way to go. I did the same with my 5800x 1:1. Only way gear 2 comes into play is going with really good djr and fine tuning the timings and even then, that is >5000 on the ram to bring it into somewhat contention.

 

This in a nutshell. When better sets of DDR4 (DDR5) come around with much better timings to go along with those high speeds, 1:2 will become much more viable for desktops

The absolutely sloppy timings on laptops now coupled with cheaper r16 memory is pretty disgusting. I cracked open my Dell XPS 9710 to repaste and to do some thermal testing (flat/elevated/no cover, then apply undervolt mod in a few days to optimize temps/scores) and even on their high end units, Dell is using garbage CL22 r16 memory and not the r8 that's available.

But the XPS 9710 has been an adventure in tweaking and bloat from day one. I literally scored 7600 on CB23 out of the box with the settings and install as is. With a clean install, changed settings, new thermal application and testing, I have it up to 12185 in CB23 and that's before doing the undervolt mod so I expect to extract more performance. The next step would be to swap out the inferior r16 memory modules to r8's at least as memory tweaking is not an option....

This is why the P870TM w/ prema is so special and why I'm waiting on the X170KM w/prema.

 

OUCH.....

Well, I had an 11900k die on me some months ago. Same process and odd bios weirdness then red light of death. Tried it in the wife's Asus B560 and yup definitely dead.
Last time I had a CPU die on me before that was in my Mac Pro 2012 when one of the 4 core Xeon's stated to give the red CPU warning light from time to time then eventually just died.

Now you get to hunt down a choice CPU. Some good SP's pop up on fleabay from time to time or I see you over in the overclock forums so that's a good place to ask around.