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Yeah that’s exactly what happen to me. Very strange bios issues, then Code 00. And my brothers motherboard only confirmed death on it too.


I May just glue the IHS back on and send it to Intel lol. Worth a shot. Apparently they are really lenient with a CPU replacements nowadays.

 

Anyone know what retail sample I should purchase 10900K or just 10900KF? Maybe directly from Newegg for newest batch?

I may just play the silicon lottery my self.

 

Looking over my logs, I had locked in 3866, but I was pushing 3900+ and had dropped down from 4x8GB to 2x8GB on my B-die and SA/IO was ~1.6 so it may have been the IMC that gave up the ghost for me.
I had pushed it hard the week before hitting 5.4 all core HT off and 5.5 x3, 5.6x1 before setting back to stock to dial in gear 1 more. But it was normal settings when I went to go boot and it was acting odd and
all over the place with bios settings I never set and then the red light of death.

If you want to play the lottery, start with Best Buy then Microcenter then finally Newegg as the first two have a good return policy if you get an absolute dud. When I picked up a 10900k from Best Buy last December, it was
an SP83 I think and decent but as always it's called the lottery for a reason.

 

A good bin matter most. But if you intend to have it a long time maybe the 10900K because some value the iGPU

 

Unofficial Results: Still tuning. 4 sticks of RAM @ 3800 - 4.7 on CCX 1, 4.625 on CCX 2.

 

Well, that’s funny. I too was sending really high 1.585-1.600 VSA voltages. The Z490 Dark applies that type of VSA by default once you select 4700-4933+Mhz DDR4. That VSA voltage starts getting up there with memory beyond 4600.

I was benchmarking really high memory frequencies of DDR4 4933 on my dead 10900K.


Your 11900K is dead, and so is my 10900K think it’s just a coincidence?

The motherboard really does it by default, unless you just manually set 1.400V for VCCIO, and manually set 1.400V for VSA. But then when you apply 4800 memory it probably won’t post lol.

 

Yep. Tech can die any day. Enjoy from 18:55

 

He went 80-90mV above the maximum specification in his vid?

 

When pushing >3600 the first earlier BIOS for MSI did it automatically to 1.5/1.6, but the last BIOS update adjusted it down to 1.4 when I was running my MSI board so something clearly changed.
I ended up manually pushing it back up to 1.6 when pushing for 3900+. Highest Vcore I pushed was 1.6 but for no HT so temps stayed relatively sane even on my old EVGA 360mm AIO. I recently switched to
an Arctic Cool 420mm.

I know people say the IMCs are tough and all, but we both were purposely running out of spec at least for windows here and there for benchmarking. I know for normal use I dialed it back down to 3866
1:1 1.4v SA/SO and 5.2 all core @ 1.375 as that 11900k required 1.525 to run 5.3 vs my current 11900k that needs 1.4 for 5.3 all core.

I was running the same settings SA/SO as De8auer basically and his up and died too.

 

I only used 1.350V-1.400v for VCC and VSA with the memory at 4500 and 4600. I always set it manually, not left on auto, for the reasons you identified. Auto voltage values are almost always significantly higher than they need to be. The same is true on the 5950X for some reason. Everything is way higher than it needs to be for voltage, even with BIOS defaults (no OC).

 

I received it today and while it produces notably more sound when using it than the other Z15 does with the linear key switches, it is not obnoxious and it is not even half as clicky and clacky as the Corsair K95 mechanical keyboard that I used for many years. I would prefer the linear keys if given the opportunity to choose, but no complaints overall. Great keyboard (like the other one) for an insanely low price. It is audibly similar to the Logitech G512 Carbon that it is replacing.

I really like the EVGA magnetic wrist rest. It's a nice aesthetic having matching keyboards on both desktops.

 

Yep. Same voltages I ran on my 10900K.

 

A nice discovery that anyone that hasn't already discovered yet might appreciate... The keyboards (both of them) are much brighter if you use "CUSTOM" instead of "PRESET" for some reason. I noticed because on the first keyboard I used preset for static on all keys and selected white. When I got the second keyboard I played around with setting WSAD and spacebar a different color by adding a new layer and noticed the lighting on the second keyboard was much brighter than the first. So, I used a custom profile on the first keyboard and it made the keyboard lighting much brighter on it as well.

 

@Mr. Fox These 4 sticks of RAM I got off you continue to impress me. They were never "developed" for Ryzen but my chip appears to like them. 1.6v though.... I am seeing how far down the rabbit hole I can go with these.

 

More Gold
https://hwbot.org/submission/4815848_papusan_xtu_2.0_core_i3_6100u_497_marks

Just rumors, but both Nvidia and AMD need to earn money when the mining-boom goes over

TSMC Price Hikes to Result in Higher Retail Pricing For Pretty Much Everything

Chip shortage should last until mid-2023


Turing Redux? NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 With 12GB GDDR6 Rumored For Q1 2022 hothardware.com



RTX 4090 gets restrictive US$2,999 MSRP in unofficial Nvidia GeForce RTX 40 series price predictions list

 

Yes, they were truly excellent for me as well. I just hated the red heat sinks, LOL. You're getting fantastic results.

 

@Rage Set - are you getting any CPU Bus/Interconnect errors? Those setting work nice for me, too. Any time I raise IF above 1900 I get those WHEA error. The memory is stable.

 

Yes, I am getting those when above 1900. Absolute rock solid when at 1900 IF with zero WHEA errors. I'm going to do further testing.

 

Yes, same here. That's a bummer. The latency is so much better above 1900. But, 4000 CL14 is stable for me with IF at 1900. I did bump the SOC voltage a little, but still in the same zone (magenta text versus red). With the tRC values at 14 I get errors in TM5, but bumping those to 15 and leaving all the other timings alone makes it stable at 4000.

 

With those prices, I'm just going to lengthen my upgrade cycles more and spend the least amount on computer hardware that I can.

I'm at the point now where I've amassed enough hardware to have spare parts for future builds (in terms of power supplies and drives), and I'm not buying into the 4K hype. 1080p is enough for me and I won't be budging unless all my panels die and it's impossible to find high refresh rate 1080p monitors. At this point, GPUs have become powerful enough to where they will probably last me anywhere between 3-5 GPU generations.

I'm an el cheapo. I'd like to see a day where integrated graphics can handle my needs LOL. Those would be very powerful integrated graphics indeed.

 

That is a really smart way to be financially. Unless you find some kind of insane deal like the sale price on the EVGA Z15 and Z20 keyboards, literally everything desirable is a truly HORRIBLE value. It adds insult to injury when you have rather disappointing results that follow your expensive purchase (like the ASUS Crosshair VIII and 5950X lackluster overclocking experience).

I really do love my 2560*1440 165Hz Predator monitor and wish I had two of them, but when I look at what I paid for it a few years ago, the price (on sale for $100 off) was idiotic and not worth it. My triple 1080p 144Hz AOC setup gets used a lot more and there is nothing to hate about it. I agree with you that 1080p is enough. I don't even like 4K on a computer. It's great for my big-screen TV, but I think it severely overrated on a PC, and miserable to use on a laptop unless you defeat one of the main reasons for having 4K by cranking up the display scaling to 200% (totally worthless IMHO).

PC tech in general has become mostly disappointing over the past couple of years regardless of the ludicrous overpricing of components. There are a few shining stars in the dark night sky, but they are difficult to spot when the sky is so cloudy. There is not much to be thankful or appreciative for if you are shopping for a system or components. With a few random exceptions, it mostly sucks.

 

1080P ain't big enough for benching on the bot anymore (I don't like be forced into Benchmate). A fast 1440P is the way to go. Perfect size for bigger laptops and external screen. 4K is too small for me (I'm old you know ) and I don't want an huge screen. 28" is more than big enough for me. I would even be happy with a 24" panel if they offered same fast panels as the bigger screens.

 

Well, maybe soon enough we will all be doing something else with our time and money. The Redmond Retards are doing their damnedest to destroy what remains for PC enthusiasts, and they are doing a good job of messing things up. Micro$lop has developed a really amazing talent for screwing things up royally.

 

Finally... I think I was pushing CCD#2 too hard.
Energy Efficiency CCD#1 4.09 | GOLDEN sample
Energy Efficiency CCD#2 3.91 | SILVER sample

https://valid.x86.fr/zxwkfq | https://hwbot.org/submission/4816677_

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/14600395 | https://hwbot.org/submission/4816675_

 

With Ryzen Master, you can change the per clock frequency. I'm slowly pushing my CCD 1 to 4.9 while keeping my CCD 2 at 4.675

 

Yes, I think Ryzen Master is the only good way to do it on an individual core basis. I don't understand why the BIOS doesn't allow it except on an all cores per CCD basis. Maybe it does and I haven't poked deep enough into the ASUS redundant menu options abyss. There is so much duplication of settings that don't reflect what values were set for the same settings on another menu that I no longer am of the opinion that ASUS firmware is good. I don't know if they just half-a$$ed things because it is AMD or if they have done the same thing on Intel.

I am going to see if Ryzen Master works with Windows 7 because I do at least half my CPU benching on that OS because the scores are so much better than W10/11 cancer.

 

How in the hell did @Johnksss get 3rd on the bot at 4.7.... that must be a magical 5950X

 

There is no way he can replicate that score at 4.7... it has to be a 3DMark glitch. Once in a while that happens with 3DMark benchmarks.

 

Anyone know anybody with a (1/200) LTT Golden sample 10900K? I have been hunting like crazy, and I can’t find one anywhere.

 

Good luck with that. I hope you can find one. They are generally given to select a select group of individuals whom they believe will deliver on the publicity, and a few serfs like us in special contests. If you can find one it will probably fetch double or triple MSRP.

 

True, completed sales on eBay show some hefty amounts being paid for these select chips.

 

Yeah. I am searching guys! I have found some good prices on them on ebay, about a month ago. But those listings are gone now.

I found someone who paid $3,000 dollars for a regular retail 10900K (SP126) it ran 5.7Ghz all core at 1.414 load voltage with a 360MM AIO hahaha. (Hilarious)

^ Literally GOD tier silicon. He apparently sold it at a massive loss for $1,800 bucks. And I can’t figure out who it went to.

Although, I have found a really good 10900K SP107 for a good price, which I actually may grab. (This person just buys them and reports the SP quality through the bios and sales them)


I am also tempted to just try my luck at the lottery my self.

I really want a 5.4Ghz-5.5Ghz all core daily chip.

After doing some research apparently the 11900K also has some seriously good hidden potential too. (Once configured correctly of course) These are actually really good CPU’s and the gaming performance is where they shine best. Especially games that just suck with using cpu cores. And they just max out 1-5 individual cores.


I am having nearly as much fun researching with money burning a hole, as I would with the actual item it’s self lol

 

Some early Alderlake performance leaks. Bandwidth is nice, but that latency is...well....whew.

https://www.techpowerup.com/286638/first-tentative-alder-lake-ddr5-performance-figures-leak

 

11900k when tweaked is a decent chip but the variance in regards to pull, heat and IMC quality is pretty large even at 5.0 all core and it can get monstrous at 5.3 all core. It basically makes SP one of many indicators of silicone quality as you can get a good rated chip that has one crap core holding you back (which seems to happen often) or more importantly (if it matters to you and you're addicted to AIDA for some odd reason) you get a weak IMC that is stuck at 3600 or 3733 at most.

Out of 1x 11700k and 5x 11900k's I tested, two could do 3866 and one could push past 3900 but was flaky city. It was also the one that died I mentioned before. All could do 3733 though. None could do 1N G1 on my MSI motherboard even at 3600 but it appears Asus has solved that riddle. Some other boards can probably do it too. Once you push the IMC and cache>45 then temps and stability come into play. It seems many have resigned themselves to 45/51 to pursue optimal memory settings. I'm sure there's a middle ground in there.

Looking at my logs to give you a taste of variance at 5.3 all core, one 11900k pulled 370w @ 1.525 bios and 1.539 under load. It would crash at any lower pull of 1.539 and clearly hit 100C on the regular and throttled down on my AIO. The one I'm using now pulls ~275-280w @ 5.3 all core and doesn't break 80C @ 1.4 BIOS 1.412 under load. I may be able to adjust that down further as this Gigabyte board requires much less Vcore and pulls ~20w+ less under load at stock settings than my MSI (203w vs 183w).

You're on custom water with that big 'ole radiator, so you would definitely get more mileage than I.

The other three 11900k's couldn't do 5.3 and one of them did 5.2.

Also looking at my notes (since we were talking dying chips before lol), the MSI board (before the last BIOS update) defaulted to 1.620 on SA/SO and the update changed that to 1.4.

The 11700k I had did 5ghz all core but required ~1.45v and pulled ~300w under load with CB23. It would shoot up to 1.625 running AIDA with the default VCC settings (1.620)

 

Thank you for the info. The gaming
Performance is strong with a 11900K. I had one in the cart on Amazon. I may just pull the trigger. I’m tired of looking.

Are the silicon lottery 5.1Ghz models for $699 worth considering at all? I know the bin on an AIO at a certain voltage, and not maximum frequency.


Like, there binned 7980XE was [email protected].

I could easily run 4.9Ghz daily on mine. But, I failed [email protected] with mine too.

I am Leary of their binned models. Wonder if I should take my chances at retail. They do have a sale though.

 

That's bad but not as bad as I thought it would be considering the timings. Plus it's a Dell....

 

Wow, that latency is enough to make me want to puke. Like @Papusan's avatar, LOL. Totally unacceptable. Everything you posted seems like a consequence of using a flawed design like the chiplet crap. Intel's "latest and greatest" seems to suffer from the same design defects I see with 5950X. Newer is often not better. Newer is newer. AMD has had 3 generations to mitigate some of the problems with poor design, but Intel is just now getting their feet wet.

I am not sure why Intel is copying a popular underdog instead of reinventing a newer and better version of the wheel. That's the same caliber of stupidity we see with the Redmond Retards copying the Cupertino Clown Posse. If crApple's OS was great, the masses wouldn't be using Windoze. They are intentionally producing a product with characterists that their customers abhor because their brain-dead braintrust secretly likes their competitor's crappy product and don't care what the majority of their customers actually want.

 

With Silicon Lottery you are getting a chip that has really been pushed through the ringer for testing. I know people scoff at, "5.1?! I can run that EASY!" Till they run it through the same testing parameters.

You could contact them directly and see if you can get a specific SP rated chip but they don't bin IMCs but if you're pushing G2 then it isn't as much of an issue as pushing G1. On the other hand, SP
rating is but one of many factors and even some high SP chips will have a bum core that stops you at 5.2 all core even.

I see some of the OC'ers who use a soft thermal type pad and pads on the retention clamps so they can quickly bin chips without putting a spot or mark on them. I'm always leery when I see "opened but not used"
CPUs pop up on eBay or elsewhere. You just KNOW they were binned.

Sometimes you just have to get a chip, pop it in and see what lady luck has in store for you.

 

And, if the price is good, (as in reasonably priced or below retail,) then you KNOW it was a silicon lottery loser. Otherwise, it would be sold as a winner, at a winner's price.

I think CPU binning is a good practice and it should happen at the OEM level. Even if nothing more than identifying the SP/ASIC rating with pricing that goes up and down as the SP/ASIC rating does. I would gladly pay more for a golden chip, (within reason,) but not disclosing the lottery losers and selling them at a discounted loser's price is dishonest and should be illegal. Charging a price for something that resembles MSRP or fair market value for a product that has been identified as inferior is fraud. I don't want a silicon lottery losing chip at any price, even if it is really cheap. But, some people don't care.

 

Anybody have some good recommendations for a 1000+W PSU? Looking for 80Plus Platinum or better, quiet and fully modular, but not too huge. $300 or less preferred but willing to go up to $400.

 

EVGA and Seasonic are by far the most reliable brands. I would avoid the other options if you can. I purchased my EVGA 1600W SuperNove P2 on eBay for about half retail, but it is hard to find 1000W and higher PSUs for a decent price. If you have a long warranty and easy fulfillment like EVGA offers, an 80+ Gold should get the job done well enough unless you are pushing your hardware to the edge of functionality.

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-120-gp-1000-x1-1000w/p/N82E16817438134
Same price at Best Buy: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-g...ar-power-supply-black/6209800.p?skuId=6209800

 

@saturnotaku

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/p...00,2000000000000&p=1&sort=price&R=5&X=0,40132

I'm currently running an EVGA 850 in my server but have also tried seasonic (returned / fault), and Thermaltake (sold). I've been running the ECGA few 2-3 years now w/o any issues. TT was solid as well.

 

Evga is the way to go. It’s like a Seasonic with a much better warranty

 

Yup. And, if you have a long warranty and easy fulfillment/product replacement service like EVGA offers, an 80+ Gold should get the job done well enough unless you are pushing your hardware to the edge of functionality. As long as it delivers the right power, does it cleanly and the system is stable, the Platinum rating simply means more money spent. I always try to buy significantly more PSU capacity than my system is capable of using. It subjects it to less stress, heat, etc. than if you are maxing it out all of the time.

 

Brother @Rage Set are you running all 4 of those red Vengeance LPX sticks at 4000 CL14 or only 2 of them?

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Maybe it is finally getting closer. It sure has been a long wait. I really hate that they do not respond to customer inquiries on status, and it sucks that I have to look to Twitter for updates. I don't even like having their filthy URL in my web browser history, or their cancer cookies in the browswer cache. I don't associate myself with that crappy social media outfit, or the other one. The reason Twitter sucks is because Facebook blows, LOL.

They've had my money for a long time and you'd think they would take time to answer an inquiry by a paying customer.

 

I am running all four at CL14 at 3866. I haven't tested them at 4000 yet. I am currently testing my 11900K/Asus Strix 3090 White Edition against my 5950X/6800 XT in terms of RAM overclocking. Although it isn't fair as those sticks of RAM I got from you beat almost all of the RAM I have except for the Royal Z 4800.

As a side note, overclocking the RAM on this Asus Z590 Hero board is different...not in a good way.

 

Im still of the mindset for PSU's that brands are useless.

Every unit must be looked at as an individual product because until you do you have no idea what the OEM is, if that OEM is supplying the entire product line or just segments or just filling in for a price range.

Maybe Im just "old school", but I havent seen any reason to adjust that mindset.

 

WHOA that looks absolutely gorgeous......damn.

 

Couldn't agree more on your social media stance, both in your general disregard for the platforms as well as your sentiment regarding companies using these platforms as replacements for actually communicating directly with customers. Plus, I got an excellent laugh at the last line of your first paragraph.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

 

In case you did not already know it, Thaiphoon Burner works excellent on Ryzen platforms. I confirmed this with Mr. Vitality and got a license for my new system. Once you get your preferred manual memory settings dialed in, you can read from the current DRAM controller settings to program the BIOS values to XMP profile 2. You will still need to manually set some power limits, gear, power down, etc. in the BIOS because those are not part of an XMP profile. Newer Intel systems do not allow reading from the DRAM controller settings.

I also added a serial number for each module and production week/year because most memory OEMs are sloppy and leave informational data fields blank in the SPD.