*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

I still love how them yeller fans look.

 

Dang. Unless the guy on eBay flakes out on me, as they sometimes do, already sold.

Edit: Payment received. I accepted an offer less than full price so the OptimusPC Foundation block is not going to be included in the package deal. @Rage Set if you or anyone else reading this wants it, let me know. It is the plexi top, black body and nickel cold plate version. If not, I will sell it online. Should be easy to sell.

Now it is time to break things down, box it up and print the shipping label. I will be eager to get the parts from Brother @pathfindercod this week. I wonder if I am going to get the water block from OptimusPC in time. It is not show "out of stock" but the order status is still showing "unfulfilled" right now. They also have not responded to my request to cancel the KP 3090 block.

 

I admit I didn't even look at the picture lol.

My bad. I see the cooling system now and I have to say, man is that a beast!

 

Congrats on the sale!

I think a bit of it is the high ranking (relatively speaking) of the motherboard and an already delided 5950x plus the price I'm sure was more than competitive. I thought about going for it but with the refresh around the corner along with the Dark X570 (and Z590 Dark and X170SM-G new
to the team) I figure I need to slow my roll.

All is well that ends well and this helps cover the cost of moving to the Z590 and getting a breather while Alder Lake gets reviewed, AMD prepares to launch their 5000 series refresh and Intel and AMD sort out their HEDT chips.

I love the look of your rig. It looks like those are either massive thrust engines in the back or a massive missile/energy salvo in the front.

Smart move to place the exhaust pointing out the window when able to vent that heat. All you need now is a flexible tubing system to have it connected directly outside for venting.

 

Had all types of projects lined up today to have fun but while playing WoW my wife's system suddenly froze and on reboot her SN750 M.2 drive decided to give up the ghost and die. It no longer showed up under BIOS and testing it in my desktop and a laptop it was nowhere to be found in the BIOS.

Saying, "I'll just order you a new one while I RMA this one and get you back online in a few days.." was apparently the WRONG answer. (Red Light!) . The RIGHT answer apparently was, "I will drop everything, go pick up another m.2 from Best Buy and reinstall windows right now and get you completely back up and running before I do anything I had planned..of you want me to clean out the PC too? Ok!" (Green Light!)

Did manage to crack open the Asus ROG Strix 3080 and get it installed. The Asus cable ties I get....the little mini ruler? Er, ok...

 

That’s a very clean build. And great fan choice. I may grab some new Arctic fans. I kinda want the BioniX white colored fans, to replace my yellow ones.

It is recommended to flip your AIO radiator though (Tubes down). Just because air bubbles will go to the top of the radiator. And that means those air bubbles may potentially be circulating through your pump, and there is no where for them to escape. I can tell the tubes are possibly too short in that full tower chassis you’ve got though. And if it works, then it works.

This can potentially kill AIO pumps by causing them to overheat.

 

I've always been a big fan, when able, of bringing the PCIe power leads over the top vs from the bottom. It's just one of my preferences in terms of aesthetics.

I'm just giving it some runs to gauge performance and some initial OC vs the 3070ti. Out of the box it hits ~17700k in TS GPU vs. 14080 3070ti out of the box. 3070ti OC'd topped out at 15045 (in its defense, it is an Eagle variant).

I have a good assortment of Arctics having slowly transitioned my builds, wife's build, bro's build and various friends, family and buyer's builds. They are just good, overall jack of all trade fans that are fairly inexpensive when you buy them in 5-packs. They run very quiet too. Within a week, I jettisoned the fans off my KPE and replaced them with Arctics and never looked back.

As for the behemoth Arctic LC II 420....

Won't fit as the tubes aren't long enough since the 420mm is so long. Already tried. It also won't fit up top. I spent a good few hours trying to get it to fit there too. I tried a back vertical mount but it isn't made for a 420 just a 360. Trust me, I tried them all top (optimal) front, tubes down (second optimal) front, tubes up (third optimal as long as pump is below tube intersects on rad).

Pump head is lower than the top and there is no gurgles at all (except on start up sometimes). Front of the pump head is actually an extra fan that blows directly on the VRMs. The actual pump head itself is situated right below the tubes themselves.



Optimal? No, only recourse at this juncture? Yes.

 

I would just go to Home Depot and buy about 6 feet of clear tubing or black fuel hose and clamps, cut off the old hoses and route the lines exactly as you would like them. Some people worry about resale value, but to me there is more value in having it work for you. If you have no plans to resell the AIO, then it makes no difference. They are really easy to bleed and fill through the cold plate opening. If you do decide to sell it and somebody wants to complain that it doesn't have the stock hoses, then they're an immature emo dumb-dumb that doesn't deserve the opportunity to buy it from you, LOL.

 

Do you already have one, or you just pulled that from the CPU-Z validation site?

If those are stock results, it wouldn't take much of an overclock for the 12900K to leave the 5950X in its dust. that is pretty impressive.

 

no, from the site. I’m in cpu pause mode atm.

That single thread is insane.

 

It is, totally nuts. I am impressed, but I care a lot more about multi-thread. Single thread gets more attention than it deserves IMHO. It's the only thing that a low core count sissy-boy CPU has to brag about, which is really kind of lame. That, and the fact that chip-makers want to point to single core performance as an accomplishment that allows mickey mouse fewer-core chips to beat the high core count monster CPUs in just one thing makes me care less than I would otherwise.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4844607_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_with_benchmate_core_i3_3120m_2.55_cb


https://hwbot.org/submission/4844605_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i3_3120m_2.55_cb

 

I like to strike a middle ground. I definitely think architectural improvements are the top priority, but on the other hand I have no desire to see CPUs continually capped at 6-8 cores. I don't want a 4 core "monster" with 50% IPC uplift. On the other hand I don't want a 20 core e-core CPU either. Basically, I want my cake (ultimate IPC) and to eat it too (16 real cores) but....

You have Intel engineers meeting with the bean counters asking the question, "We can clearly beat AMD at single thread. We effectively did it with Rocket Lake and Alder Lake is another significant uptick in IPC even from that. Now....how do we at least match AMD with multi core?" And this is what we get without setting PCs on fire.

With Alder Lake we're getting what is effectively significantly higher IPC capped to an 8/16 design again coupled with lesser powered and more efficient e-cores to add to overall multi core performance that puts it right on par with the 5950x. If the overclocking room is in the same neck of the woods as RL and CL, it will quickly surpass 5950x in multi threaded loads while already beating it in single.

The heat and pull of Alder Lake is pretty substantial and just like Rocket Lake (and even on 10nm), trying to pull off a true 16/32 design would result in a 400-450w+ behemoth. If Intel could have offered true 12 and 16 core Rocket Lake chips when launched they would have methinks.

I think the real insult will come on the BGA mobile front where you might end up with odd ball P and E core designs but we will see.

 

Yeah that single threaded and multithreaded are impressive! One thing I don’t understand is the numbers from the 11900K in that chart. If I disable turbo and run straight 4.8Ghz all-core, I can beat that 682 listed lol. (I’m not kidding at all) that’s terrible.


The 12900K looks great. Honestly the mid range 12700K is incredible lol.

 

If the Evga Z690 Dark shows it’s face soon, I may go for the 90 day EVGA step-up program. (That would be cool)

Im not confident in this though, I have until December 24th until my 90 days is up.

 

PS: This 10850K is great though.

I run (10 cores at 5.3Ghz) and I have (4 cores set to 5.4Ghz)

It is ridiculously stable. Some weird bug prevents all cores at 5.4Ghz reliably.

So this is good enough daily 24/7

5.3Ghz all core uses just 295 [email protected]. And the single threaded is good enough at 5.4Ghz.

 

Having a product that overheats uncontrollably is never any good, but the race to the bottom with a tree-hugger mentality that high power draw when you are running benchmarks is somehow a bad thing is something I find difficult to respect. The only reason I ever look at power draw is for the purpose of hoping I will be impressed with how high it is. Or, when my benchmark scores are too low, looking to see why it isn't pulling enough watts is one part of the troubleshooting process. I think the concept of high performance and low power draw is illogical. But, I digress... using the cliché expression to "follow the science" while doing the exact diametrically-opposed opposite of that has become quite popular as of late. And, yes... allowing our direction to be dictated by the manner in which change affects mobile platforms is an example of that. The tail is wagging the dog and we are catering to the lowest common denominator.

Part of the issue using published benchmark results from people who are not very good at it is you get inconsistent data. Running a vanilla installation that allows the Redmond Retards to have their way with the OS and benching a system that chokes on its own vomit probably explains it. You do the best you can to measure the difference, as best possible, between system A and system B with both suffering from the same malady rather than system A and system B running equally ameliorated configurations. So, considering that the systems producing publicly-shared benchmarks scores are probably not optimized and could be running close to 100 more pointless services while having half the available system resources at their disposal, I don't find it difficult to believe that an older CPU with lower IPC might beat something newer and better newer.

Using the Windows Snipping Tool or a third-party screen capture utility will produce much better quality and more graphically appealing results than images of an external screen captured using a smartphone camera. Probably a lot more convenient to manage the images using the PC as well.

 

I'm very pleased with my Clevo X170SM-G, but I think for my next build I will make a portable SFF gaming PC and cram a TEC cooler into there. I'm starting to get fed up with the expense and hassle of MXM upgradeability, but I still want a portable system which is why I like laptops so much. This build is going to look so ghetto.

EKWB charges way too much for their custom watercooling stuff. I hope Cooler Master releases a more powerful AIO TEC cooler for future generation Intel CPUs. TECs do have stupidly high power consumption, but I need the cool temperatures to get higher overclocks. As Mr. Fox has said many times, do more with more.

Since desktops have unconstrained cooling capabilities, why not?

Also, what is the limit for overclocking on a Z series mini-itx motherboard? How much power are they able to handle?

 

Or run a few platforms like some do.

 

I actually have two computers now lol. It’s a little boring for me. And no GPU.

 

Going to be cleaning up my mining crap, at a point where enclosed spaces are actually starting to be more of a detriment to efficiency due to heat soak though to be fair some of it just hold overs from when I got new hardware and didnt want to fully commit to only have to unplug everything again lol

 

I ended up keeping the STRiX 3080 and selling the Gigabyte Eagle 3070ti after a clean install last night and a evening of play. Those annoying minor fps dips of the 3070ti are gone and it's basically playing at the level of the KPE 3090 for WoW @ 4k and D2R. Coil whine is on the same level as the 3070ti and KPE (very low to many times inaudible) so I'm glad for that. So many horror stories of STRiX cards that screech at ya but in all seriousness, nothing has ever reached the nails on chalkboard levels of the founders cards so far.

I listed it before passing out after giving my system a proper clean install and tweakage and it was sold by the time I woke up. I figured it would sell fast as I priced it $100-200 less than the others listed.

I offered it to the wife as a minor upgrade over her Aorus Master 3070 before listing and she just went, "Ewww, it's ugly." *shrug* I agreed completely as I love the look of the Aorus GPUs with the LCD screen.

What are the specs of the cased system? I see Gigabyte at the least.

 

What does your setup look like? Maybe a before and after shot.

 

Asus TUF GT501 case
Aorus Master Z490
2x8GB DDR4 4000 CL14-15-15-30
(These are two sticks of my really really good G.Skill Royal Z gold 4x8GB set)
10850K direct die 240MM AIO
(10850K is on my test bench right now)
1000 watt cooler master PSU.


I was gonna trade the 11900K, but now the guy on OC forums has not responded anymore.. I have the 11900K out. I’m delidding it my self lol. It runs 5.2Ghz like it’s a joke with very low power usage. So after delid I should have 5.3-5.4Ghz in the bag.


Delidding soldered CPU’s just turns it in to a stranger lol. It really does.

Wish me luck!!! Hopefully it won’t break. I might bake it first.

 

Its changed so many times already because any time I add or subtract something I tear the whole thing down and rebuild for best efficiency of heat displacement. I can take a couple snaps before I start and after though. I really meant to get one when everyone was sharing their battle stations and even cleaned it all up but then mining took over lmao

I'll get something for you guys tonight Actually looking forward to it this time as it should become much more simplified.

 

Boo, that sucks the seller changed their mind.

Good luck on the delid!

 

Someone want a x570 dark? I just got my notification...

 

I’m gonna bake IHS down@300F for 15 minutes.

 

Did EVGA do away with RGB on the Z690 Dark vs Z590?

 

I PM'ed you.

 

Ok the 11900K delid is going good so far. I couldn’t get movement in the delid tool at first. And I was putting so much pressure it’s a little scary. I baked the 11900K again. And put it back in the delid tool. I managed to stop the IHS right before the plow effect took over.

I will bake again and lift away.

 

If and when you drop the x299 Dark, please ping me. I believe it should support the 9800x? Only had time enough for some preliminary reading I'll try to confirm in the next few days.

 

Of course bro and yes it does.

 

Thanks on both points!

Well on a separate note, let the race begin! Got about 2 hours to tear down and rebuild. Had to tidy things up at least before I snap a few pictures and begin.

 

I plowed off every single SMD in sight lol.

Major Face palm!

I managed to locate all of the SMD caps. I will test it out and see if it still works. (I doubt it will)

nonetheless I will send it in for the microsoldering repair.

This was my fault entirely. I was working while doing this at the same time. And I put it in the delid tool so many time over and over having to rotate the CPU. I actually put it in the wrong way the last time (Not thinking)


Anyone have a microsolder station capable of repairing this?

 

I'll ask my employee, Jeff, tomorrow. He does all of our inhouse repair on OfW hardware.

 

Wow. Thank you. I’d certainly be willing to pay good to have this repaired. Especially now that it’s delidded, and I have removed all of the solder.

I feel like this is probably repairable.

I’m just fortunate to have a back up CPU.

 

Sometimes this happens. You should delidde it only one way to lose the glue then bake it in the oven at 170C around 20-25 min. Then take of the lid with a small tool (careful with the pcb). But always nice with a spare Cpu

 

It actually works!!! That’s 16 total small SMD caps gone in a flash. And it still works?!!!


How the hell
Does it work!!

 

As long as all of the gold solder pad contacts are intact it should be repairable. It is good that you have all of the SMDs. That should make it a relatively easy thing to do for someone with good soldering skills. I am glad that Brother @Rage Set has someone at work that is a pro at it. I have the right tools, but not a ton of experience. I could probably do it if I absolutely had to, but I would pay a professional to do it if I were given that opportunity.

https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/11th-gen-intel/products/direct-die-kit-intel-11th-gen

 

Well, the darn things works!. So I may be ok with no repair.

How does it work you may ask?? I have no idea… (16) SMD are in a bag on my desk.

And this thing is like “What’s the the problem again?”

 

Anyone wondering about delidding the 11900K. Shall NOT WORRY ANYMORE, about those nuisance little SMD’s in the way !! We don’t even need them! Just plow them right off like I did lol.

So FYI, delid that 11900K until your hearts content everyone!!


Temps look incredible! It has all (16) threads. It has Dual-Channel working.

I’m waiting for a bad surprise at any moment. But so far so good!!


These temps are really lovely!


This is bare die, no die frame at all!

 

@electrosoft

Power consumption is 176 watts. With core temps ranging between 42-48C.

SWEETTTT!!!

This is awesome.

 

If there was ever an argument for a delid this is it in spades. Considering 11th gen really responds well to temp reductions and reduced pull. This is proof in the pudding. Makes me wonder what mine would pull under the same circumstances considering it was pulling roughly the same (~177w) fully lidded with an off the shelf AIO, very nice!

I read through the last several messages and went from, "Oh no!" to "What?!"

See if it will do 5.3 all core now. Maybe 5.4 all core (fingers crossed).

 

I’m telling you lol. Very shocked it even works at all.

So far the CPU is totally fine. I’m just gonna use it as-is. I did go ahead and buy the direct die frame though. I’m using nothing at all at the moment because 10th Gen die frame doesn’t fit.

No socket ILM on the motherboard, and no die frame at all, just a waterblock holding down a bare CPU. But it works, and at this point I don’t even think a die frame is needed.

One thing I love about Intel 11th Gen is how thick the substrate is, and also how thin the silicon die is. This makes mounting direct die super easy (wayyy easier than 10Th Gen). Because, there is zero flex within the CPU substrate. It just won’t bend because this is literally double thickness substrate. And the silicon is super super thin. I mean crazy thin!! It’s just barely taller than the actual SMD caps on the substrate. This makes the direct die mounting easy. The die and substrate looks just like how the 12900K is built. 11900K is nothing like prior Gen models in build design. 10th Gen could potentially flex and bend in the socket if you tightened the cooler or block too much. And then you are throwing off your core to
core temps.

Anyways, yes your chip running direct die should and would be absolutely incredible. All I can really say is. I don’t regret it at all. This thing is fantastic now. The only weird thing I see so far is my minimum temps show zero’s on 5 out of 8 cores inside HWinfo.

 

The random “0” temp on the cores is a bug with 11th gen. It’s been widely reported by others and I’ve had it on both my 11900K and my 11700K. Nothing to worry about. It happens only for me while at idle occasionally.

 

Oh ok. Well then I have no problems to report with it. It runs like a TOP, even without it’s TOP! Lol. (And a few other small bits)

 

Whoa! Delidding a 11900K is just insane.

[email protected] SUB 300 watts with temps of 58-63C lol. Is this foreal?!

 

Checked how much you can decrease voltage or increase clocks due lower temps?