*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Since this forum is going to be shut down, there is another brand new one with a similar thread.
*Official* Overclocker's Lounge [Desktops and Laptops]

I will also be here https://forums.extremehw.net/profile/564-mr-fox/ and here https://www.overclock.net/members/mrfox.303030/

 

Since the enthusiast laptop scene is practically gone, I think someone needs to just reinvent the wheel here.

So, design a mini ITX case that is a hollow laptop looking enclosure. And it could include a 15” or 17” LCD display and a basic keyboard. And we just build inside of it. With how small the 3080/3090 PCB is, and with PCI-e riser cables, we could totally build something inside of this. And just use a very large external AC/DC power supply.

I’m not sure what we would use for the battery. But, something could be figured out. Maybe don’t even use a battery lol.


Someone could easily create a Mini ITX laptop case. And, we just use our own cooling like an AIO with 30MM 240 rad with 10mm thick fans. Very possible.


Someone just needs to invent a case that houses a display and keyboard. Inside it holds a Mini ITX, or even mATX board support, and it would work. It just needs mounting locations for (2) 240 or (2) 120MM AIO units. You could incorporate a Lipo battery and a 12V outlet that leads to an external 350-500 watt power brick.

 

I've had a project like this planned for the past 5 years since I joined this forum. I've never actually gone through with it, but I've been continually revising my plan in the case I was ever forced to go through with it (which it looks like my next system will probably be this project).

With the current iteration of my idea, I'd end up using 2 HDPLEX 400W picoPSUs to power the system which you can get here: https://hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html.

I would connect either 2 330 watt dell power adapters or eurocom's 780 watt PSU. I'm not too keen on the eurocom option though since it's stupidly expensive.

As for batteries, I would be getting 2 300 WH power banks from Bixpower, which you can get here: https://www.bixpower.com/Bat-BX2494B-p/bat-cp300-bx2494.htm

This allows for a total energy storage capacity of 600 WH for our custom laptop! Imagine how good battery life would be, even with high end parts! The max continuous power output per battery is 288 watts, and the max surge output is 360 watts (for 10 minutes). Having 2 of these powering the system in parallel would yield enough power to power all but the absolute most high-end systems.

When tuning the system for power efficiency, I don't think it's a stretch to say you could get 20 hours of battery life from this thing for regular usage, provided you're using integrated graphics while on battery power. Even when gaming, you could still get a good 2-4 hours depending on what game you're playing.

I have everything figured out except for the case. That's the hardest part. Unfortunately, the Slabtop project seems to be dead, and the case you describe is exactly what that project was trying to create. Binari had a prototype, but the product never made it to the market.

 

I think It’s a great idea.

Corsair could slap something together and sell it for $1,000 bucks and plenty of people would buy it. Screen/keyboard/empty case with incorporated battery and 12-20+ volt power input plug.

They could design it with an included pci-e riser cable where the GPU lays totally flat, and it would use two AIO coolers in 120-280MM insize. Or, even a custom loop if you used a low profile DDC style pump.

Someone just needs to make a case with some styling, and this design would easily take off. I could even see someone paying far more than a $1,000 bucks for one too.

 

That is awesome bro, congrats.

How has the chiller improved your 3090 scores?

 

I had to secure the ram. Very limited options here. And went with the Apex board. Hope I do not regret. But saved 1/4 of the cash vs buying the Extreme.



Some that know what ram sticks (or brand) you'll have biggest chance to get SK.hynix chips?

 

I am very happy to see that you are going with a desktop instead of a laptop. I really like the 7000D Airflow case. I like the Wetbench better, but I still have a 7000D in my Amazon wishlist. The Wetbench is far more convenient, but 7000D is what I would go with if not going with an open bench. I am tempted to buy a 7000D Airflow because I think it is the best case option and love how it looks, but the convenience of the Wetbench is extremely compelling and I have gone back to it twice already because a confined case is very annoying.

A lot has changed dramatically with Z690 and I am not current. I would go with what you see getting the best overall results for memory overclocking. Things got wonky with 11th gen memory overclocking and DDR5 seems totally different yet from what I can see. Since EVGA is out of the question for you (my first choice) as much as I hate ASUS as a company, I think that is your only great option available. If we were talking DDR4, I would say go with the Apex if memory overclocking is really important. The two-DIMM focus is for extreme memory overclocking and I suspect that much may be no different for DDR5. The four-DIMM ASUS boards have historically been T-topology, which means they actually overclock better with all slots filled, so if that is still true with Z690 you would be better off with a four-stick memory kit. I am always suspicious of the ASUSTeK brand because I have had some pretty rotten luck with them. It seems their QC is shoddy. In particular, my experience with their warranty service causes me to believe they are a dishonest company that is not very eager to do the right thing. That being said, they are the only brand besides EVGA that I would be inclined to buy from if EVGA was not an option.

I wish you could make an exception on EVGA for at least the PSU. Even though there are only a few PSU makers and most are merely re-branded products from the same ODM, I am very leery of other brands, including Seasonic. Although, I have nothing to base it on other than wanting to avoid a hassle with a brand I have no experience with. I would not recommend anything below than 1200W unless you are planning on going dual PSU and running the GPU on its own PSU. My shunt-modded 2080 Ti and 3090 KPE easily pull over 800W when overclocked. If possible, go for more than 1200W or get a 1000W for the GPU and a 750W for everything else. Going with more than you need is always a good idea. If for no other reason, the PSU will run cooler if it is not stressed under load. If I were going to take a chance on an unfamiliar brand PSU, I would most likely go with the Dark Pro 1500W from BE QUIET! and I don't know that I would trust an ASUS PSU necessarily. Do we know who manufactures their PSUs?

 

Good choice on the Apex. I saw that after I replied.

 

Anyone here want a brand new Z590 Dark? I just received the RMA replacement from EVGA and it is a brand new factory sealed retail boxed version, not a refurb. I have no use for it since I went with a Z490 Dark as a replacement for it. Let me know if you do. I also have an almost new nicely binned 10700K that I have no use for. I used it in my work computer for a short period. It is not delidded.

 

Hi. Yep I also had the Wetbench in my mind (a lot cheaper as well), but all the cleaning and have to order it outside Norway is a mess.

FYI. I went with the 1000D But 7000D was 2nd choice. I wouldn't change for anything else. Pretty and small doesn't fit my bill.

We both know laptops have zero value if they are built like phones/tablets and Wifi routers. Want a phone, then buy a phone. On top cheaper.

The new Asrock Aqua OC bord will also come with 2 ram slots. Same as Apex and the Dark. Can't see 4 ram slot system will provide what you want for stable high mem clock speed. And for me the Asus boards is the only option I would buy here home.

The Evga 1600W is 50% more expensive. And the same for the Corsair 1600W. I could get the 1600w from Corsair here home but the Dark Pro 1500W from BE QUIET should be more than enough. And I like it + the reviews show it as a very good option. Remember the price difference here is huge between them vs what you being charged for in U.S. I mean the BE QUIET is still a good choice. And up to 50% cheaper means I can sell it later for a new more modern (they will com) and the loss will be easier to handle.

$462 vs $730/790 is huge when you compare the 1500w vs. 1600W from Evga/Corsair. Not sure what you have to pay in U.S but what I see here is disgusting. Pay near $800 for a good qualty psu is awful. And the $462 I have to pay is already too much.

Btw. Saved the 1700 Upgrade-kit. They had one left. The shipping cost 30% more than the parts

 

Maybe try to get a free 1700 upgrade kit directly from Arctic for their 420mm. That is what I did and they sent it to me free no S&H or anything:

https://www.arctic.de/us/support/lga1700-mounting-kits/

 

I saw your older post about this when we talked about all the free upgrade kits coming for 1700. But thanks.

I paid for it ($7.79). Get things from outside the country here home takes all too long time. And I will fill up the orders from that Store with more parts this Sunday so the shipping will be free I rather pay $10 than have to wait 2 weeks.

 

The chiller opened up really good sustainable performance. It also helped stabilize extremely high 3090 memory overclocks. One thing interesting is, any waterchiller makes even the best custom loops look really really weak.

The low temps are really fun, but the gains are minimal.

The 3090 at only 2,160Mhz internal clock is 45tflops of compute power.

 

The big gain will come with minus 70 and below. I expect the Cpu will reach 50C with the Chiller if you max out your Cpu oc headroom. You can't bench and temp max out around 0-10C with an chiller.

 

@Papusan


You went with the 1000D? You ever gonna build a custom loop inside of that? Great case for it.

 

Yep, but no custom loop now before I see 4000 series pop up. I have already spent enough for now. Got the 420 AIO with the 38mm rad. I will pair it with better 140mm 3000 rpm fans in push/pull. I have bid on a Gtx 750 Ti for fun on the used Norwegian market. But the case will look a bit empty with that small HW

 

I misunderstood. I thought you said 7000D. I really like the Obsidian 1000D, but it is insanely expensive in the US. Did you find a good deal on a used one, or spent a ton of money for a new one?

 

@Papusan you waiting for RTX4000 Series? Or are you going to replace the GTX750ti with a RTX3000 GPU?

 

Had to buy a new. And not cheap. But the 1000D is more what I like. I was very near jump on the 7000D but the 1000D have better cooling options and easier to maintain (cleaning). And I don't buy such HW every new year. And I normally don't change taste. Its what it is. And its what it cost. I would be angry spend half the money on a 7000D if I wasn't fully happy (I'll never know now-7000D is also fantastic).

Re-sell it (7000D is still big) would be difficult. Because all too many here home want a small, pretty and flashy chassis. See etc Razer desktops. Exactly the same as with laptops Jokebooks. All want slimy lighweigted, thin and small Trashbooks. And they all follow same rules for desktops. People hate "awesome" nowadays. Hence we are there we have come today

Th GTX750ti is a stop gap to have fun. And I will probably see if I can find other cheapo cards for my hobby. New card will be when we see 4000 series. I don't want spend $2900 usd on a card that will be replaced by Nvidia within 10 months.

 

Yeah, the kiddos really love the wimpy, chintzy crap. Selling big cases used is very difficult and most of the people buying things like that second-hand only want them if they can get them for pennies on the dollar. They don't want to pay a good but fair price. The cost to ship a big case is also a factor. Even if you get a good deal, it is not so good when the cost of shipping is added. I think the best approach is to buy what you want and do what you want to it and not worry about resale. I find that if I have to worry about resale value it diminishes the pleasure I derive from owning it.

I think it is smart to wait for 4000-series to drop at this point. Even if you were planning to go with 3000-series, waiting for the new GPUs will drive down the prices of last gen products. I don't know if I am going to upgrade anything for a long time at this point. Probably not. It would suck to be stuck with only Windows 10+ DCH drivers and they probably won't even support LTSC 2019 by the time 4000 series is available for purchase. Unless I get a wild hair up my tailpipe, I probably will stay with my current hardware and OSes for at least 2 or 3 more years. Maybe longer if technology continues to decline at the current pace.

 

I just ordered a pair of those “J” spec Gskill this afternoon. Both U and E spec are Samsung chips. I currently have the “E” spec. GSkill customer service confirmed that “J” should be SK Hynix. So fingers crossed but you picked correctly I think.

I’ll have mine by Wednesday of next week and another person on the OC forums is supposed to have his Monday and will confirm as well. Definitely hoping customer service is correct.

Also the Apex is the right move. 4 filled dimms is garbage on Z690 right now. You’d be lucky to get 4800mhz. And with only 2 dimm slots you’ll achieve the highest overclocks.

 

So, is Hynix better now for DDR5? I always found Hynix ICs to be totally rubbish on DDR4.

 

Thanks for confirming. Please post once you know. What with 6400 G-Skill sticks? Have you seen specs from Cpu-Z or Aida64 from owners?

SK.hynix all the way for DDR5. Maybe it will change when Samsung make progress in the binning. Sk.hynix, Samsung then Micron for DDR5.

 

Thanks, that's good to know in case someone asks me. I haven't paid much attention to details lately only because I am not planning any hardware changes in the near future. I hope to milk what I have now until it is dead.

 

I only thougt to use 2 ram slots. I wonder how the difference is vs Apex board with only 2 sticks.

@Johnksss may have the final answers.

The time had come to buy something new. I waited on Clevo and Alder lake (I enjoy use LGA/MXM laptops) to deliver. But they killed their own brand as it seems. I have always enjoyed both desktops and laptops. I started with Phase cooling and custom water cooling around 2000 and then moved slowely over to laptops. Now, we haven't any other choices. Lapotops is dead. All OEM offer only 100% junk.

The drawback with the desktop. It cost me more than laptops. I could buy two gen LGA/MXM laptops for what I have to pay now. But the higher price will be offset and spread over a much longer lifespan. I don't change taste so the total cost will be lower over longer lifespan.

 

This build looks impressive. I would say the Z690 Extreme is definitely not worth the extra $500+. Z690 Apex is all that’s needed. That case is just down right expensive. But it does offer function for that extra cost.

 

FS: *Brand New* Z590 Dark and 10700K Processor

 

Got hold of a used Corsair K95 RGB PLATINUM for 800,- Nok ($90) on the used market. It cost $225 new here home. Should be as in new condition. And with CHERRY® MX Speed keyswitches.

The Chassis and the cooler ordered.


Edit.
I'll see if I can get this one on the used market... Evga geforce gtx 750 ti video card

 

Sorry have been posting much here, been extremely busy getting in touch with a lot of people to best communicate with my friend Hiew about creating a forum for us.

For now the initial product is complete!

EFGXT.NET

Name is a placeholder until a domain can be purchased that better captures the forum. There are still things we intend to fix/include into the forum to enrich the user experience.

 

Also when the name is changed later we will just keep efgxt.net and have it forward to what ever name we change it to in the event that people are operating on older information

 

https://efgxt.net/profile/87-mr-fox/

 

Just registered for that site!! Thank you for posting the link!!

 

Well, so far I have 5600 and 6000 G.Skills.

 

@Reciever hopefully everyone at least migrates and we can keep the magic going....

https://efgxt.net/profile/92-electrosoft/

 

I will do all that I can to make that a possibility

 

Thanks John. You run both kit in all 4 slots (being limited by the 5600 kit?) Or is this your 6000 kit running in 2 slots? If this is your 6000 kits maybe you could tell how it clock vs your slower 5600 sticks?

And what is the part nr for the kits? I wondered what you think about this speeds on a 4 slot board vs MB with 2 slots (If you think the results would be a lot better in a board with 2 slots). Again thanks for the pict and tests

Edit. I have still a chance to change my mind for the MB. At a cost of 40% more Not that I'm a super tweaker on ram. But still.

 

No Problem.
Not yet.
6000 kit is running in 2 slots.
Both kits can achieve at least a 400 mhz over clock, but stability will take time to find. If at all possible....
The 5600 took far longer to get up and running, the 6k booted out the box. (I'm rma'ing the Ebay kit as we speak - Meaning it's going to G. Skills) Then will mostly sell what they give me back.
The 6k kit came from Microcenter and will be keeping that.

With this last set of parts I'm in it for the long haul now that it all came from MC.

 

I'm going to put the other two sticks in and see what happens.
So booting all 4 defaults to 4000 mhz.
Edit:
Running at 4800mhz and no problems so far.....

 

Thanks John. Maybe you can tell what’s the part nr for the 6000 kit? And is it Samsung ic? Nice getting confirmed that the 5600 kit struggled more. Happy I scraped the 5600 Corsair kit. Also most likely Samsung die.

what should you expect with all 4? Probably a lot easier with all as same 6000 kits.

 

Not sure if this kit is faulty so I'm getting it replaced.

 

This was with the 5600 Kit.

 

@Johnksss Thanks

This one above slipped away. Price went up to near $725.

Another option... Predator XB273UGS 27" Any thougts on this one?

The only other options is...


Would be nice get some thoughts on this. I need fast responce time, good color reproduction, at least 160hz, G-stinck, thin boarders for a possible 2nd screen and below 30". In short an allaround screen. I'm not very into gaming but who know in the future. Options is limited here home. Of course more options if I pay more. But the price range above is what I want to pay here home.

If you have other options that can be interesting please post it. Must be 1440P. Thanks

 

I own the View Sonic XG270QG. The panel is just amazing. The OSD, panel quality, etc. it’s a great display. I owned a view sonic previously that ran for over 10 years and never died. That was my main reasoning for getting this next one. It is great so far.

It does use a real G-Sync module.

The rear wiring containment system is smart. So is the mouse wire catcher mechanism. The panel is very vivid!


Honestly, I think any of those are great. The G7, or Predator are both less expensive options that are just as good.

 

Maybe on the lower side for Nits. And on the high side regarding price point. But thanks

Saw this...

https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pc-monitors/1411716/viewsonic-elite-xg270qg-review

Yep, Some of the options is great. I'm still angry a let the Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27 slip away. A huge value and a good option. It was priced near a trash cheapo TN panel.

Regarding the G7. Nice screen but the design at bottom is awful. I like it clean and easy.

 

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Strix-G...onics&sprefix=4k+120hz,electronics,127&sr=1-4

 

A great option. Cheapest here is 994.15 United States Dollar. Or $300 higher than the Amazon price. If I bought it from Amazon it would cost me $1077 included tax/shipping. Aka even more expensive due Norwegian governments greed. Hail to Norwegian taxes. Not only the disgusting weather here home sucks.

 

Another reason for the Viewsonic was, I only paid $260 for it.


It replaced my Asus PG278QR which is also 1440P 165HZ G-Sync module. But, it’s TN.

 

I could buy 3 of them if I got them at that price. If I get a great deal on a very good screen here.... That would be around $600. And the best deal I missed was $561 yesterday for the Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ. I have a few screens but those are 1080P. No hurry, but would be nice with a new with the new desktop build.

 

Reason for the post was because that one was 4k. So you could get in some 4k 120hz testing in at some point.

They are coming down in price though, so that is a good thing.

 

I purchased Acer Predator XB271HU bmiprz 27" WQHD (2560x1440, 165Hz IPS) in May of 2018 and it is an excellent monitor. I wish I had two of them.