*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

When you are overclocking for sport 100MHz difference can mean a big difference between points and ranking. If you're only doing it for personal kicks and not trying to make a sport of it, only then would I say it's not worth it. Yes, 8°C is a huge temperature difference between those coolers and that may be enough to stabilize his 5.2GHz overclock and allow lower voltage, which will also result in lower watts being drawn, both of which in turn further help the temperatures.

Wow, that's amazing. You've got a really killer CPU, bro. 50x14 is pretty sweet.

Fuchsia taskbar?

 

I am partially colorblind, but more on the green end of the spectrum and dark colors are what I struggle most with discernment. Dark brown, midnight blue, maroon and dark green look like black unless I am in very bright light.

I always fail those tests with the dots. They ask what I see and my answer is always "just a bunch of dots" LOL.

 

I want to buy it, because I found an offer at 150 euros and new


https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-l360-r2-0

 

This is pretty slick... remote monitoring from any web browser on another local network attached device (Windows, Android, FireOS, iOS, Linux). A bit of a pain in the butt to figure it out through trial and error, but actually very easy once I did.

Spoiler: Check it out...

You configure the remote sensor layout on this screen in AIDA64.

Spoiler

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Attached is a copy of the exported template if anyone wants to use it as a time-saving starting point.

 

Mmm interesting, thank yew =D. Not sure what I will use it for but tools like this are never unwelcome

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I think it is pretty cool for monitoring CPU and GPU while gaming or benching without using the on-screen overlay with RTSS. I have my Kindle Fire tablet right below the monitor and can see all of the important clocks, temps, power and voltage stats with only a glance. Or, I can use the P870DM-G for the display output to have everything nice and big, full screen. A smartphone screen it too small even for a smartphone to not suck, so that option is probably the least attractive. If you do not monitor things while benching and gaming, then this is probably of no value to you.

 

Very handy....I have something similar to this for my boat called "Lowrance Go-Free". I can link my phone over Wifi to my Lowrance GPS/Fishfinders and control them with my phone or tablet as long as im in signal range.

Which means no more sitting in my hot garage working on waypoints, settings, etc etc...I can now sit in my air conditioned home on the couch and do it.

 

Well the one good thing is with 12nm coming to Ryzen TR it should finally put up a good fight against the overclocked 7940x in CB R15. I think it will take the 7nm to finally put up a fight against the 7980XE and then there is what is to be Intel's next step before then?.

 

I’m sure Intel won’t sit down and do nothing. Equal performance means less sales, can’t charge prices as today and massive drop in market shares. A triple loss.

 

Yes! It's very fuschia-ey. And, it compliments your yellow Easter dress.

Nice score, too.

 

good forum I have this box http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Pro-M.html and I do not know where to put the deposit of https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-kit-l360-r2- 0

 

From your link. See specs(Liquid cooling).

 

I recommend to put it in the top with fans pulling in colder outside air through the radiator (rather than blowing from inside out).

 

Almost same statement as... Corsair recommends that the fans are positioned to suck cool air in. Oppsite means you must have decent fans in front who can push in a lot of air. Otherwise you cool the radiator with already hot air.

 

Exactly. The idea of blow warmer air through the radiator is pretty silly.

 

good, I have this external hard drive https://www.pccomponentes.com/toshiba-canvio-basics-25-1tb-usb-30, if I change it for the mechanical hard drive that I have in the computer for this 2.5 mi computer will start faster?

 

I have mine push from the inside. Using a thermal lazer, under idle usage, the ambient air is 70F and the inside air and components run about 71F. The way I have the fans configured when the CPU is loaded I get a high airflow over my VRM and memory chips. This seems to work best for me.

Temps after pounding the system with CB R15 for 30 minutes @ 4GHz

 

I don't really know what you mean by "thermal lazer", do you run an external temperature probe in your case to determine the air temperature in the case? That's something I've been thinking about doing because using HWinfo Sensors I have two readings that I think approximate or are supposed to indicate air temperature in the case, but I can't be sure, those sensors are "System" and "PCH", with PCH closely mirroring ambient room temperature but I also think it's affected by workload of the "PCH" as it's a heatsinked component. I'd like to get an external temperature probe in the ambient air in my case so I can know the real picture. (GPU temperature, and case air temperature in that vicinity is my only factor I'm interested in as CPU temps have bucket loads of head room). (Would be kind of an academic exercise as GPU temps are fine, but I'd just like to know case air temperatures from a case air flow efficiency standpoint - a learning point).

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-9-Volt-Pocket-Infrared-Thermometer-E49IR01/202048565

I do not trust the sensors fully but as far as the system it is what it uses to determine how it is running.

 

Right, I didn't fully understand that sentence, but that link is an Infrared Thermometer - in that situation it's reading the temperatures of the surfaces you point it at & not the temperature of the air in your case, so there's a difference there. I think I'll go on Amazon now and google some thermocouples & perhaps buy one to satisfy my curiosity regarding air temperatures in my PC case, infrared is only gonna measure surface temperatures.

EDIT: just bought this now (delivered tomorrow hopefully): https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01HB9QN44/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Unfortunately I don't have a Golden Retriever, but I'll still find use for it! :-(

 

It measures surface but if the ambient of everything in the room is 70F constantly and under no load the main board is 71f then the air is really not heating up as it comes in. If so then the surface temps in the system would heat up not cool off.

I just do not trust the internal sensors to be accurate. Heat can be a lot higher but again the system will maintain operation based on the sensors.

 

Yep, if you've used your infrared thermometer to measure surfaces in your home near your PC, and then you used the same thermometer to measure the temperature of your main board and the temperatures were 70F and 71F respectively then you can conclude that there really isn't any heat build up happening in that area of your PC case during idle. My temperature probe is being delivered today, I'll use it to test the true air temperatures in my PC case and I'll correlate that to the "System" and "PCH" temperatures I see in HWInfo while at idle and load - if I can make some correlations then I'll only need to leave the temperature probe installed in the case during this testing (not permanently).

 

Ordered the kit below and two sets of barbed-end quick-connect fittings so I can use my Floe Riing 360 radiator with the GPU instead of CPU. Opted for an upgrade to a 270mm reservoir versus the standard 170mm.

http://www.xs-pc.com/watercooling-kits-rx/raystorm-pro-d5-photon-rx360-watercooling-kit

 

Man, now you got me thinking hard about this! Awaiting the results

 

I'm not going to be too happy if it doesn't work good, LOL. It was about $100 more than I wanted to spend, but I figured it should be good for a long time and give me room for a i9 mobo/CPU upgrade in a year or two. If I eventually go back to SLI (my intent, if GPU prices do not remain retarded like they are now) then the Floe Riing 360mm radiator should handle both GPUs pretty nicely. It will be really interesting to see how cool the 1080 Ti runs with a 360mm radiator versus its already excellent temps with the 120mm radiator.

I figured I would simply cut the AIO hoses at the 120mm radiator and at the TT CPU block/pump and put the quick-connect fittings on the ends of the stock hoses, which will give me ample hose length to flip the radiator with the outlets at the front of the case, or mount it on the front panel. I think I am going to use the thick RX360 radiator on the front panel with the Vardar fans.

 

@Trafficante

Can't wait to see how that beast does on a Loop!

 

Cool, so what are you gonna use on your CPU then if that 360mm radiator is gonna be used on your GPU now?

 

Well, maybe it will run even cooler with AC with the new kit. The system is going to hold quite a bit more coolant, and you'll have a thicker radiator, so it should improve. If nothing else, it should take longer to normalize (saturate/level-out) the temperatures.

 

Should have it tomorrow.

 

The huge fatboy RX360 radiator. See invoice JPG I just posted.

 

Ok, my thermocouples/temperature probe arrived this afternoon and I've done some testing - the purpose being to work out what my PC case air temperatures are at both idle & during gaming - to see how efficient the air flow is in my case, how much the case air temperature rises during gaming - because this heavily influences CPU & GPU temperatures.

Here's a pic showing where I put the two thermocouples to measure case air temperature in two different places (circled in red):

• Thermocouple #1 is below the GPU showing the temperature of the air that the GPU is sucking in.
• Thermocouple #2 is in front of the CPU cooler showing the temperature of the air that the CPU is sucking in.

Ha, in above pic you also get to see my ghetto style cardboard baffles, but hey it works and I can't think of anything better, except maybe some thin'ish plastic flexible board. Also note that the top fan in the front intake is not used as it increases GPU temperatures.

Results:

• "PCH" temperature in HWInfo mirrors the temperature of Thermocouple #1 (the thermocouple underneath the GPU) - so "PCH" temperature can be used as a guide for me to know air temperature coming into the GPU, although it does lag behind the actual air temperature reading somewhat because it is a heatsinked component that takes a while to change to the temperature of the surrounding air.
• Idle case air temperatures are about 1 degC above room temperature, see following pics, and note how PCH temperature mirrors Thermocouple #1 temperature:

results to be continued in next post, reached limit of number of pics attached!

 

Results Cont'd:

• Highest practical GPU load (Firestrike Graphics Test 1 looped) results in 12 degC increase in case air temperatures, up from 22 degC to 34 degC, see following pics:

• CPU load doesn't really increase case temperatures at all (increase of 1 degC in comparison to GPU only load), Prime 95 combined with Firestrike Graphics Test 1 looped:

• Moderate GPU loading during gaming (Battlefield 1) doesn't increase case air temps as much, increases by 8 degC (rather than the 12 degC of Firestrike Graphics Test 1 looped):

Conclusions:

• Didn't expect to see such a large increase in case air temperatures during GPU load, I was expecting it to be about a 5 degC increase over idle, but in fact it's 12 degC increase.
• "PCH" temperature reported in HWInfo mirrors my case air temperature, so I can rely on that HWInfo sensor as a reliable measure of my case air temperature in the vicinity of the GPU, but it does time lag the actual case air temperature somewhat, takes a while to respond to changes in air temperature.
• CPU load doesn't appreciably increase case air temperature (well a small amount, 1 degC increase) - the CPU cooler exhaust is directly in line with the exhaust case fan, so the heat gets blasted straight out the case pretty much.

I'm curious how other PC cases measure up in terms of increases of case air temperature during GPU & CPU loading, but I don't really find any information/testing using thermocouples like I have done to work out the true case air temperatures. Have you guys or anyone done similar, or do you know of review sites that have done so?

Additional Thoughts:

• Thermocouple location could change these results to some degree, although I have not tested that yet. GPU thermocouple I placed squarely below middle of GPU which is a worst case, because it would be cooler closer to the expansion slots (my GPU sucks in air from there), and it would be cooler closer to the front case intake fan - I chose worst case, so the GPU is in reality drawing in air that I imagine is slightly cooler than my thermocouple showed - there's probably a spectrum of different air temperatures that the GPU is drawing in across the length of the card.
• In addition to the testing shown I measured quickly the air temperature on the outside of the case near the bottom front intake & the top front intake to show the temperature of the air being drawn into the PC case at different points, bottom front intake was 18.5 degC, top front intake was 20.5 degC. So, this is proving that room temperature is colder closer to the floor & hotter as you near the ceiling - hell it was a 2 degC difference in temperature over just the height difference of my case (just less than 2 foot). So, you wanna have your PC on the floor rather than a desk, and you want to have the majority of the air intake coming from the bottom of the case - this way it's drawing the coldest air from the room into your PC.

 

Been out of the country for almost 2 weeks. Missing out on some good stuff. Will be back on the 18th. I noticed Newegg has a sale on current Ryzens now, hopefully a sign that zen+ is on its way. See you guys soon!

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https://www.pcworld.com/article/326...ipset-have-major-flaws-researchers-claim.html

Major security flaws discovered in Ryzen and Epyc CPUs! Uh oh. Pot meet kettle.

 

"Serious potential flaws" ......sounds like click bait

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Sounds like a whole lot of AMD guys are trying to pass it off as fake but according to this team it has been tested and they're real vulnerabilities.

https://twitter.com/dguido

AND more

https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/973603154276139008

 

Fanboyism is strange... Even with discovered flaws. They will trivialize what is the actual facts. Only AMD deliver in their eyes. And only Intel has security problems. It's tech. Both Intel and AMD will run into more security problems before or later.

 

Well, to me the reality is that everything built by humans will be flawed, insecure and subject to exploitation. It's only a matter of discovery. I don't blame the AMD fanboys for trivializing the flaws. I trivialized the Intel flaws. Being OCD about them and fretting does nothing to fix the problem, and nothing we can do will avoid problems as long as there are dishonest people looking for a way to scam, steal and plunder. Anyone that believe that one product is safer than another should scope out my ocean beach property on the outskirts of Phoenix.

 

@Trafficante did you get it set up yet? My parts are here. Should have another 8700K tomorrow so I can choose the better of the two for the desktop and use the other one for testing the @Prema BIOS in the P870DM-G.

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan Exactly. I can't help but feel that somehow there is crap going on behind the scenes between AMD and Intel paying off these damn security experts and hackers to find flaws in their competitors product no matter how trivial. Instead of working together to IT security it's turning into some stupid tit for tat war. How long did those flaws and exploits on Intel's chips go unnoticed or at least undocumented again? Something about that seems strange.

 

Even the other hacking experts agree with AMD stuff, let a person in as admin and the system is easily corrupted. TBH this is true with Intel or any other system. I can see the short sellers thinking they have it made, not quite.

No one with the prior issues of meltdown etc. were claiming false news, this is definitely different.

 

Well, you guys won't believe the trip I've been on. Leaving for Manila today via ferry. Turns out that the super geek in me, put the SIM card in backwards on our pocket WiFi, or we would have had a connection for the past week. Smooth, I know


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Have a blast, bro.

 

This is what I have for now.

I had to replace the fan with 2x Furious Vardars because the stock fans wasn't able to keep the GPU under 80c.

Zotac GTX 1080 AMP, probably the worst overclocking card I've ever used.

Even the factory GTX1080 I think is better binned than this crap.


GN has also reviewed Zotac's previous GTX970 meant for 'extreme overclocking' and it overclocked very poorly. The AMP Extreme 1080Ti also scored very poorly relative to other competitors which are in the same price range / cheaper.


Zotac, never again!






My next nvidia card would be a factory or ROG Strix edition (OCers under contract with ASUS would share the XOC bios to unlock TDP).

 

"Fake News" smear campaign targets AMD this time around.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-this-time-around.814473/page-2#post-10695114

 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...und-amd-cpu-flaws-explain-chaotic-disclosure/

 

They can flap their lips as much as they like, a con-scam like this needs a thread of believably, the companies involved started out finding accounting discrepancies in companies - real and exaggerated, believable enough to panic shareholders and drop the prices while the time elapses for the truth to come out, whereby the perpetrators make a windfall in profits from short sales.

This scam is a twist on their previous scam, finding a security thread to create panic to exploit - it needs to be believable, and needs to be able to be nebulously described but able to be used to trick otherwise smart people into playing along - oblivious to the real intents - "sure seems real to me, not to be ignored".

Given the same Administrator access, physical access, and ability to load custom BIOS and signed custom drivers, Intel chipset's and CPU's can be hacked to find hoops to jump them through as well. All bets are off if all those access invasions are allowed. It's nothing special to AMD, except they are small but growing quickly, turning around that momentum provides a much better return on short sales, put's, and combinations to extract profit from the stock price movement.

Which are the real intents:

After short-selling surge, Israeli firm says it finds AMD chip flaw
Jim Finkle, Arjun Panchadar, MARCH 13, 2018 / 8:41 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...irm-says-it-finds-amd-chip-flaw-idUSKCN1GP273

"(Reuters) - An Israeli cyber security research firm with six employees on Tuesday said it had found flaws in Advanced Micro Devices microprocessors that made them vulnerable to hacks.

AMD said it was investigating the claims, which were followed by heavy trade in AMD shares. The stock closed up 1 percent to $11.64 after a day of volatile trade. AMD traded between $11.10 and $12.04 following release of the report from Tel Aviv-based CTS Labs.

CTS executives told Reuters that they had shared their findings with some clients who pay the firm for proprietary research on vulnerabilities in computer hardware. They declined to identify their clients or say when they had provided them with data on the vulnerability.

“I can’t really talk about my clients,” said Yaron Luk-Zilberman, chief financial officer at the firm that was founded in January 2017.

Short-seller Viceroy Research published a 25-page report on the vulnerabilities on Tuesday, betting its shares will fall.

AMD said that the report took it by surprise.

“This company was previously unknown to AMD and we find it unusual for a security firm to publish its research to the press without providing a reasonable amount of time for the company to investigate and address its findings,” AMD said in a note to customers on its website.

Viceroy founder Fraser Perring told Reuters that somebody anonymously emailed him a draft of the report at about 4 p.m. on Monday. The firm spent much of the evening analyzing the situation and ended up taking a “sizeable” short position in AMD, he said.

There has been increased investor interest in AMD since the beginning of the month, with options drawing large trades that appeared to be betting on increased near-term gyrations in the shares. Puts, options contracts that protect against a drop in the share price, were particularly active. Last week, the cumulative number of open put contracts outnumbered open calls 1.5-to-1, the most defensive this measure has been in more than two years, according to options analytics firm Trade Alert data. That measure declined slightly by Tuesday. On Friday and Monday, short selling of AMD’s stock increased by about 15 million shares, according to S3 Partners, a financial analytics firm. That brought overall short interest in the chipmaker to about 180 million shares, the most since at least 2010.

“Over the last several days there was a spike in short selling that was completely out of the norm,” said Ihor Dusaniwsky, S3 Partners’ head of research.

New York-based cyber security firm Trail of Bits told Reuters that it had verified the findings from CTS, which paid $16,000 for a review of the AMD vulnerabilities.

A Trail of Bits analyst spent a week reviewing detailed technical reports from CTS, along with “proof of concept” code that could be used to launch attacks on computers running vulnerable AMD chips, Trail of Bits Chief Executive Dan Guido told Reuters.

“These are real security issues in AMD code and processors” that hackers could exploit to manipulate or steal secure data, he said.

For the attacks to work, an attacker must first obtain administrator access to a targeted network, Guido said.

Reporting by Jim Finkle in Toronto, Arjun Panchadar; Additional reporting by Noel Randewich in New York, Saqib Ahmed in New York and Shariq Khan in Bengalure; Editing by Susan Thomas and Grant McCool"

So there you go, it's intent is to cause panic and depress the price of AMD, and other companies, to profit from the damage induced.

So do you want to help them increase their profits from their Con-Scam??

AMD – The Obituary
https://viceroyresearch.org/2018/03/13/amd-the-obituary/

Read the PDF linked on that page.

"Here’s a histrionic quote for you: “AMD must cease the sale of Ryzen and EPYC chips in the interest of public safety.”"

"That’s a real quote from Viceroy Research’s deranged, apoplectic report on CTS Labs’ security allegations against AMD’s Ryzen architecture.":

Assassination Attempt on AMD by Viceroy Research & CTS Labs, AMD "Should Be $0"
By Steve Burke & Patrick Lathan Published March 13, 2018 at 9:48 pm
https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3260-assassination-attempt-on-amd-by-viceroy-research-cts-labs

Assassination Attempt on AMD by Viceroy Research & CTS Labs


"Fake News" smear campaign targets AMD this time around.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-this-time-around.814473/page-2#post-10695114

 

I don't think Zotac are that bad, they offer some of the highest factory clocked cards that you can buy, and their stock performance is often higher than other manufacturers (from research I did when I bought my Zotac GTX 1070 AMP edition), and my Zotac card overclocks to about as high as you can expect (2113Mhz max boost clock). I think you've been unlucky, and I'm surprised your Zotac 1080ti does not run cool, because reviews of Zotac 1080ti AMP Extreme was showing the core to run very cool, they didn't do so good on the VRM temps though (if I recall correctly). Pity you had to replace the fans on the card, does your case run hot?

 

Okey-Dokey... here it is. MUCH better for CPU and GPU. Massive drop in temps (about 12°C on CPU and about 10°C on GPU). Tomorrow I will compare bin quality of the second 8700K that arrived today and then button it up with the better of the two CPUs. Both 360mm rads are push/pull with the XSPC pulling cool air in from the front and the Floe Riing push air out through the top. A total of 13 120mm fans. I really like the quick-connect fittings where I spliced the hoses from the EVGA Hybrid cooler to the Floe Riing 360 radiator. Slicker than snot using those for the connection. Made topping off the fluid really easy, too. During that mod I only lost about a tablespoon of coolant between both parts.

Time for Mr. Fox to go night-night.

Before - 10 min AIDA64 CPU Stress Test @ 5.0GHz

After - 10 min AIDA64 Stress Test @ 5.0GHz

After - 10 min AIDA64 Stress Test @ 5.2GHz


@Johnksss @bloodhawk