*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

You do not get points for joining, You already have points. Your just changing classes or leagues rather.

 

Seems like the 1600W PSU actually helped. No hiccups at all, at least so far. Best Sky Diver score I have ever had for single GPU. I also have a separate 8-pin cable for each power socket on the GPU (so two cables for one GPU instead of a shared two-connector cable) and added the auxiliary PCI-e Molex power connector on the mobo.

I'll fire up the water chiller and do some more benching later tonight and see how it goes.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3960297_ | https://www.3dmark.com/sd/5279082

 

Happy for you @BrotherFox ... 1.6 jiga watts on the cheap

PSA: use two discrete video cables per card (as opposed to a single cable with dual-connector ends); especially true when dealing with top tier GPUs (gaming / benching / mining); the use of two cables allows GPU to consume (more) power more freely & with less heat & resistance than a single (resistive) cable can. Call the single cable (with resistive parasitic side jumper) a bottleneck

Illustration courtesy Seasonic.com

Can Power cables affect GPU performance?

 

Good good! What do you think caused a best single card score there on your Sky Diver? Sky Diver is really easy on the GPU if I remember rightly, or am I just assuming that because I remember it running at about 300fps when I tested it on my GTX 1070, in which case it will be more CPU/Platform limited on your GTX 1080ti? So the dual GPU connectors wouldn't help there then, or did it allow you a higher stable GPU overclock?

Hell, I've got x2 seperate PCIe cables for my lowly GTX 1070 even! Ha, that's somewhat through luck rather than judgement as that was the only cable config that was possible with my PSU and the cables provided. Good diagram.

 

Nope. I think it was the PSU being exhausted. Just a bit I will post a bunch more personal high scores on more stuff that I have uploaded to HWBOT. Even my Sky Diver score above was beat by around 2000 points. Pretty sweet.

Thanks! Yup, really cheap. $91 for a $400+ 1600W Platinum PSU is pretty incredible. Wish I could get a 2080 Ti for that big of a discount, LOL.

 

I'll have to re-run some of these at 5.2 GHz (3DMark 11, Vantage, Sky Diver) and the RAM @ CL14 maybe this weekend. I bumped it up to 5.2GHz when I switched over to the Windoze OS X benchmarks. A couple of these are now on the first page of 3DMark Hall of Fame and have world ranking on HWBOT.

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http://hwbot.org/submission/3960430_ | https://www.3dmark.com/sd/5279219


http://hwbot.org/submission/3960432_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5718883


http://hwbot.org/submission/3960433_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12969133


http://hwbot.org/submission/3960435_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12969137


http://hwbot.org/submission/3960457_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16750031


http://hwbot.org/submission/3960464_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16750084

@jaybee83

 

Did you get the Night Raid test via auto-update? Please try it. I dunno why it runs like crap on my PC on 980m.

 

I've run it before. It's actually GPU limited some of the time with my i7-6700K + GTX 1070, which I was surprised about, so your 980M might be a bottleneck, you could run it again with GPU & CPU monitoring software open to see what's going on. Anything GTX 1080ti & up you would be CPU/Platform limited on that test. The Physics test doesn't utilise CPU's properly, it only ran anything from 70-90% CPU utilisation on mine, and that wasn't with any of the threads being maxed out - seem to use all threads equally badly - might be RAM/platform limited somehow as not using CPU properly. I got a higher CPU score by running the Physics test seperately and selecting AVX2 as the option, a big difference in CPU score, but still only the same 70-90% CPU utilisation, strange!

 

Usually RTSS crashes 3dmark or gives pretty low scores or sometimes overlay detected or some errors.

 

You can use HWInfo64 to make graphs of CPU/GPU load - so you look at the graphs after you've run the benchmark. You can even use GPUz.

 

I intentionally haven't updated 3DMark. They've become a crap shoot on having things get trashed, just like Windoze. I don't want to upset the apple cart when things are working correctly, as they might not be afterward.

I don't allow "auto update" on anything. Literally. Nothing. Nobody is good enough at what they do to allow them to make decisions on my behalf.

Since HWBOT doesn't give me anything for running the new benchmark, there is no point in updating just so I can have it.

 

Can you tell me which version you're running?
Unfortunately, I'm using Steam version of 3dmark and it needs updating to latest version. I remember my GPU could muster 8300-8500 on old versions and score just 8200 now. I even have a paid Advanced version.

 

Sure...

 

That was really good version 2.4.x. Anything higher simply gives lower scores and worse performance when I can play DX12 at ultra unlike Time spy test results say.
Does the validation work correctly for you?

 

Yes, validation is still working. Ran this last night: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16750031

Skip the Steam version. I never use it. That extra bloat just uses extra RAM and CPU clock cycles, which lowers your benchmark scores. Download it and use the key you bought from Steam. It is not Steam-dependent (unless you download it through Steam) and the key is usable without Steam.

I think @Papusan has a link to where you can download any version you wish. I don't remember where that was now. Here is this one: https://www.filehorse.com/download-3dmark/old-versions/

 

Just noticed this post. I do not have any issues with RTSS or on-screen display in any 3DMark benches except for the older stuff like 3DMark05 and 06. I think it is because those are DX9, which can be finicky about overlays. RTSS on-screen display does, in fact, cause those to older DX8 and DX9 benchmarks and some games to crash or freeze on me and they have for many years on all of my computers. You can try changing the rendering mode and that often helps. Raster 3D is less forgiving than Vector 2D or Vector 3D.

Using the on-screen display can sometimes lower the benchmark score a tiny bit. Not by very much, but it is often measurable in a very slight score reduction. Not a big deal if you are just benching once in a while for fun, but every point matters if you are trying to beat your previous scores or competing with others. OSD is fantastic as a diagnostic tool and I prefer that greatly overly logging to a TXT or CSV file, since you can see what is happening in real time with temps and clocks, power and voltage. I don't even like to game without OSD running any more because I have been using it for so many years. It feels like something is out of place when I cannot see everything that is going on while I am gaming.

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3961114_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12970266

 

From www.techpowerup.com (Click show more versions)

 

Bumped the memory clock up to 4200 CL17...

http://hwbot.org/submission/3962051_ | https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4780719

http://hwbot.org/submission/3962043_ | https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4780624#

http://hwbot.org/submission/3962053_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16773322

http://hwbot.org/submission/3962083_ | https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16773518

http://hwbot.org/submission/3962086_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/29594964

 

HWBOT x265 1080P - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963105_


HWBOT x265 4K - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963106_


Geekbench 3: Single Core - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963111_ | Multi Core - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963110_ | http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/8693990


Geekbench 4: Single Core - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963114_ | Multi Core - http://hwbot.org/submission/3963116_ | https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/10420600

 

Bro @Mr. Fox I know you don't support Alienware's desktops and jokebooks, but will you support possible Alienware-branded components ? What with you @Cass-Olé ?

Btw...
ASUS Z390 Motherboards Automatically Push Software into Your Windows Installation

"If you put aside the privacy concerns for a moment, there are both advantages and disadvantages for what ASUS is trying to accomplish. Since it's enabled by default, this method makes installing drivers and system software easier than ever, since it also gets the network controller to work. It's particularly useful given that motherboard vendors continue to ship drivers on a DVD, and optical disc drives are on the decline, leaving people with little option but to copy their drivers onto a USB flash drive, just to get the NIC working. The application also fetches the very latest (most stable) versions of drivers found on ASUS website. The most obvious disadvantage is cybersecurity. If any of ASUS' on-chip code has security vulnerabilities that can be exploited, there is little way to fix it but with BIOS updates from ASUS."

 

Yeah, definitely, if they're good components! Performance/Price/Looks

 

LOL! Perhaps Alienware can corner the market on tri-pod heat sinks!

 

Nope, I will not support them financially. I don't want anything with their logo on it. It's a matter of principle. They are undeserving of any support.

As I mentioned in another post yesterday, the indescribable idiocy we have seen with laptops will be coming to a zombie desktop near you very soon. It is rubbish that has no place, and there is no excuse for it existing. It is diabolical and worthy of a class action lawsuit. We are surrounded by stupidity and this is only one example. There are certainly many we haven't discovered yet. Thank God ASUS is providing a way to disable it at least, but the BIOS default should be disabled and individual idiot end users should have to find it and enable it manually if they want that garbage to be active. I think we are only seeing the tip of the frozen turd ice berg here. I'm sure there is a lot more lurking under the surface that has not been unleashed on us yet. For the naive and gullible, we have the Redmond Retards to blame for this nonsense. They are the root of all evil in personal computing and in good company with the devils at crApple. Monkey see, monkey do. Buckle up, folks. We ain't seen nothing yet. Welcome to the digital circus.

Anyone that does not have zombie BIOS yet needs to think LONG and HARD about updating their BIOS on an existing machine. It has always been a roll of the dice, but now it is literally dangerous to take a chance. And, we all know damned good and well there will not be open disclosure in release notes, and the likelihood that they will do something to block a firmware downgrade should be taken for granted. No more BIOS updates without an SPI programmer and a backup dump of the old chip.

@Ultra Male

 

I have not verified this, but it seems to fit the scenario. I already let Prema know about it. Don't anyone jump to conclusions. Just sharing info. Regardless if it is true or not, we should all be very cautious going forward about "updates" of any kind. The End of Days is coming. I have not posted this because we already have enough drama and it is not verified to have happened as presented by the post, but it certainly seems in line with things we have seen, heard and read about firmware being pushed through Micro$lop Updates cancer on more than one brand. Don't have your surprised look on your face when the day comes that you reboot to apply Windows 10 updates and your motherboard has been bricked. Remember, you heard it here first... from Grandpa Fox, the grumpy old fart with a bad attitude. I promise I won't say "told you so." Just say no to the cancer.

From my YouTube channel: In the comments for this video...


@Ultra Male @Donald@HIDevolution

Because it bears repeating...

Speaking of bears...

 

Micro$lop and the muppet OEMs/ODMs that support their dystopian vision for tomorrow are our "Cliffords" and a cross we will all have to bear.

For those that don't know Clifford, he is the "kid" (Martin Short) in this YouTube clip. (You've got to watch the movie if you have never seen it... old, but hilarious.)

 

Anyone here knows of a really good case?

I have RVZ-01E, which I love, I was considering whether there is anything else as a case that would do a good job, and be somewhat SFF. I have an iTX mortherboard, so I'd prefer to stay with a small form somthing if possible

 

I don't recall if I've mentioned this thread to you somewhere else, but there are some nice case options mentioned there - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mighty-muscular-mini-itx-build.812322/

I've always wanted to see how Dan-Cases would hold up.

 

*If you don't care about Alien products you can skip my post here
*If you aren't Poppy or SñrFox (who are immune to the effects of AlienKoolAid), I don't recommend clicking the link: Gimmickware 'absolutely' looking into own brand of gimmick PC components (my hot take: go home Frank, you're drunk, & have delusions of grandeur)


What I found amusing was FAzor said he didn't want to just slap the Alien name on someone else's product, but that's exactly what happens with the low-end Aurora Pegatron & Area-51 MSI motherboards. We'll ask @ajc9988 to inspect photos & comment on Frank's weak Threadripper board (VRM etc) ... cost new from Dell is $800 (see pics)

Spoiler: R.I.P.

8FN1W, seen on eBay this week, below, cost new from Dell, chat happened a minute ago = $800

& we can all tell the weak 8700k board below

Spoiler: 4Phase VRM

Yes, if you don't buy their K CPU at checkout, you don't get a VRM heatsink for your future upgrade later = cost cut!

Most of us have heard that Linus & OC3D experienced rather low CPU temps in their 9900k reviews; HardwareUnboxed suspects it was due to a 4Phase VRM & therefore throttling; the community's treating this like another Principled Technologies data blunder & investigating (it may be Bios related, but the H-unBoxed 4Phase test board did reproduce low temps). Having seen how hot 9900k likes to get @5GHz, I posted in the 9900k thread last week that FAzor will launch his Aurora R8 around next week with 9900k onboard; the trouble as I saw it is the 8700k R7 model ships with a whimpy 30mm wide budget radiator (the A51 7980XE gets an anemic 27mil rad, don't act shocked). As hot as this chip gets, & if paired to same 30mm rad, I suspected an especially gimped Bios from them (Full Throttle Gaming). Now that '4Phase VRM boards' is a discussion, all R5 R6 R7 1151 Pegatron boards get one (I don't know if it has a doubler) & just a 4pin CPU header (not an 8pin). If the new R8 board keeps the tradition, Fazor may accomplish Linus/OC3D low temps by virtue of simply having a crummy low-end mthrbrd. Frank might win the heat battle from losing ... as Tech Press dubs it Gaming PC of the Year w/laudable thermals

*their 8th Gen (8700k) buyers will not get a Bios update to support a 9th Gen (their 6700k buyers were equally forbidden a 7700k update); Dell Moderator suggests past buyers may harm future sales if allowed to upgrade ... lol ...

Below, try not to throw up

Spoiler: Vulgar Revenue

The Aliens get away with what they do because no one in the tech world that I've ever read holds them accountable. Frank is quite sober when he says he'd need to tread lightly into the aftermarket space, where intense product & price scrutiny occurs. There's so much hate for this company, I see a concerted boycott in their future & the collective holding of noses. I'd like to see Buildzoid start with their motherboards for analysis. I had fun putting this post together, but it's also 30minutes of my life I'd like to have back

 

Will look those up as well!

I am sad that you used a spoiler tag for all posts, makes it really time consuming to see everything ....

I found that the only real upgrade somewhat from RVZ-01E I can find so far would be Corsair 240 or 280X.

Dancases A4 would hold up poorly at best, too tight, not enough space for storage, not enough space for proper airflow or for proper water cooling, so maybe they would work outside of 8700K + 1080TI

 

Excellent information, bro. Thank you for posting. Hopefully, nobody reading this thread would ever consider flushing their money down the toilet on emasculated Alienware desktop feces, but if they were we can hope they might read your post and be smart enough to change their mind.

Yes, they should be held accountable for selling junk. The only explanation I have for the fact that they are not is the people buying the trash do not understand what a serious mistake they are making.

The thing with not providing BIOS updates for processors that are compatible by design and intent, even though all of their competitors do, should be enough reason for a person of average intelligence to recognize they need to say "no" to the brand.

 

Okie-dokie... rackin' up more HWBOT points for Team @Prema and Top 25 for single GPU on 3DMark Hall of Fame for both 3DMarks.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3965628_


http://hwbot.org/submission/3965655_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12977537



http://hwbot.org/submission/3965654_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12977530

 

Sure.

Exactly

 

Ha, yeah, "good components" seems like a bit of a stretch nowadays when referring to Alienware in the same sentence!

 

The only place I would use the word "good" in the same sentence with Alienware is right before the word "riddance" LOL.

 

I thought you were using W95. I might not even reach those amazing scores. Might have to gimp it on my BGA or take it to Pluto for running at 6GHz on CPU.

next time they'll release fanless version with 8 cores which never throttles even at 100% load because that fanless device will be dead after startup.

 

So, I cannot read the chip numbers, so my analysis is what I can see, not to the depth others may reach.

First, it is a true 8-phase. I cannot read the controller, nor the chips used, so I can't tell you the amount of amps the board can support, etc. Only has quad channel mem support up to 64GB of ram using 4x16GB dimms, which if you throw a first gen Ryzen in it, good f*ing luck getting extraordinarily high clocks on ram (or potentially won't even hit high 2000s if you IMC in the SOC is crap, which I lucked out and got a good IMC). If you use single rank 4x8GB dimms, that is 32GB of ram, which depends on your use if worth it.

The second and fourth slots are only wired for x8 lanes, whereas the first, third, and fifth slots are wired for x16. I'd need to look at a board manual to find out what they have to the chipset or to the CPU, etc. You have zero 3.1 plugs on the back, speaker plugs look sad (at least has optical out or some related for the audio plug), 2x1Gbps ports. The single 8-pin should be fine, as that should be able to deliver enough if you aren't overclocking much, which you shouldn't expect to if buying Alienware crap these days anyways (go pay that same amount to Origin or any number of places like that and you will have better than this offers).

To be fair on the heatsinks for VRM, etc., at least you have surface area for cooling. I have no clue if they have the fans setup in the case to properly move the heat off of those components, but if you can add any extra fans to directly cool by blowing on the heatsink, you should avoid the problems the other X399 boards had by slapping a solid block of aluminum on it. Tanware didn't have problems with his block cooling his VRM, mine did. This is why I went watercooled on my VRM on an Asrock X399, which has the same exact chips used in the VRM as the Asus Zenith Extreme, although the active air kit allow for that to survive testing with the 2990WX when the Asrock failed out and Giga's newer X399 board failed (Asus ZE barely made it and the MSI MEG Creation X399 handled it like a pro).

With that said, I don't know if they cheaped out with 50A fets or what, so really hard to get a good idea. I wouldn't really support trying to put over a 16-core variant in it (1950X or 2950X). TBH, we are starting to push the edge of what an 8-phase with 60A fets can do, which is why you see the ungodly awesome MSI Creation board or the boards for the 28-core overclocking Xeon on Intel's side, or the 12 and 16 phase boards for Intel's mainstream as the 4-phase with doubling (so an 8-phase) has found its match with the 9900K according to Silicon Lottery. I don't consider it a bad thing that we need to re-imagine power delivery and start increasing the power delivery to chips, generally. I made my comments the other day on the P870 just to bring up that we are in need for a change and don't expect the old to support the new as well as we hoped, not to crap on what the old could do. We are just to a turning point in tech, which was also seen with the amazing power delivery on Nvidia 2000 cards (I may think it is crap value and not worth it, doesn't mean I don't respect the hell out of the engineering involved, just like I respect that 28-core, even though I don't like the value).

I also don't know why you would put the M.2 slot for wi-fi under the back towards where the PCIe cards plug in. I could see a noob throw in a card and crush and destroy their wifi card in the process, or just a slip and poof, no more working wifi (or potential interference).

I'm betting the 8-pin on the bottom near the sata plugs is for PCIe power delivery.

I see five fan connectors: 2 by one side of the ram, 2 by the corner of the board above the 24-pin, and one at the bottom by the 8-pin. I can tell you for my rig, the five I have are a PITA! I have so many fans that I have to use multiple splitters, along with the 2x8-way splitters with sata power to each splitter for the fans, etc. But, considering it is in an Alienware, if the fan connectors can handle the Amps for the splits, you could do a 1-3 splitter for a 360mm AIO in push or pull, the AIO pump on another, then you have three connectors for the rest of the case fans.(Edit: BTW, you REALLY need to know that TR is HOT, so plan your cooling accordingly, and know you will likely reach the heat limits on the chip before you can really put the hurt on the VRM if using an AIO depending on a couple factors, like which AIO is selected and the information we do not have here ATM)

But, likely has locked down BIOS, you would need to do a PCIe card to do an NVMe array because you only have the one M.2, and I need more info to really see wtf they are doing. Either way, I likely wouldn't buy it at all. Limits too much. And at $800, NO ONE SHOULD EVER BUY THAT BOARD. You can get the MSI MEG Creation X399 for $500 and have a true beast of a board. I cannot wait for the new chipset and boards rumored for CES for Threadripper (think the MSI MEG Creation but with a good BIOS, like Asus's ZE2 or something like that).

(Also, I'd like to mention I cannot tell if it is an 8-phase through doubling or not and have not seen what components are mounted on the back of the board. Really hard to give more without all the info.).

Edit 2: We can also bash on Linus's review on the 9900K, but we must remember, he this about the Alienware Area 51 Threadripper edition:

Notice the single 120mm AIO cooler, which means no OC for you (OC Nazi).
They also only sold it in f*in dual channel mem, which, I mean, come on!

 

I've got a couple more QD3 connectors and extra tubing coming from PerformancePCs so I can add the GPU into the chiller loop without any hassles. Those quick disconnect fittings are the bomb. Will be interesting to see how much further, if any, I can push the 1080 Ti overclock on chilled water.

 

Linus almost falls into the same shill category as Dave Lee, appealing to the kiddos that love the thin and light BGA turdbook filth.

I am a subscriber and watch Linus' videos primarily for their entertainment value, but there are some useful nuggets now and then. I've never seen anything from David Lee that I would agree with that I can remember.

Alienware was smart (tongue in cheek) to have Linus do this video (edit: or so he thought... guess Frankie was not expecting honestly) since he appeals to a large audience of noobs living in the Facebook realm that really don't know anything about high performance PCs. No real enthusiast would consider buying any product from Alienware today.

 

Yeah Linus got under old Frank's skin after that video


When I rubbed it under his nose he told me to 'Read every other shill out there ...', which is where I gave up & gave him my own review

Tired a cookie-cutter silver, hand over to Lisa a black case!
Good times man ...

 

Watch the video. He told people don't buy it. Cooling is insufficient, cable management sucks, etc. Is it smart to give him exclusive access for the review, then have that reviewer say buy from anywhere else, alienware isn't worth it?

And why bash him for his job. He knows his market segment. This is why he isn't in much competition in the youtube space. He knows his role and has gotten more comfortable giving his opinion even if it pisses off big companies like Nvidia, Dell, etc.

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

Usually people become furious when somebody says the truth. The cooling,cable management, locked BIOS w/o OC etc.. still exists today...

 

Now, one true shill has left the market, thank god.

Ryan Shrout of PCPerspective and Shrout Research (talk about an Intel shill and the only person that bought into and pushed Intel's talking point on testing on 720p AND that immediately attacks AMD without giving fair reviews) has left both of those outlets to work for Intel directly as its "Chief Performance Strategist." Likely, this is about dreaming up ways to make Intel look good while making AMD look bad, even when not justified.
https://techreport.com/news/34203/p...t-joins-intel-as-chief-performance-strategist

If people want to use the word shill, here one is!

 

LOL... ROFLMAO...

OK, fair enough. I'll admit I was wrong. Didn't watch the video because I don't care about the subject matter. Glad he called them out for crap. Guess the great idea backfired on Frankie. But, I suspect the fanbois bought the red Dorito PC anyway... just like the fanbois that bought the blue Dorito version.

Edited my post:

And, that doesn't change my opinion about Linus or Dave Lee. I watch LTT all the time and find his content often entertaining even when I don't agree with it. I can't say the same for the other guy though. He comes across as more of a marketing strategy more than a reviewer.

Yup, that sucks. Kind of like how AdoredTV is an anti-NVIDIA shill... and, I hate that no matter what side they're on. I prefer reviewers that are critical of everything and highlight all of the negatives along side the positives rather than taking sides. We all have our preferences, but it's easy to smell a rat when you see it over and over and they don't even try to be subtle about it. The negatives give a balanced view, while the positives are easy enough to spot in all of the marketing crap.

Yes, truth has a way of doing that to people. It's unfortunate, but true.

 

I usually watch LTT vids for a laugh and like that now they are large enough, they started doing a bit more of what they want to do. It really has been a change in the past year or two versus earlier than that. In fact, I really like his project using two 28-core Xeons and six cards, trying to build a single server for video editing using unraid. That series has been phenomenal. Or his trolling release unboxing vids by unboxing an awesome router but making it sound like he was unboxing the rtx cards. Or straight out calling unboxings unpaid free advertising.

Only recent time I saw him backtrack, yet defend his prior video, was in relation to the Apple Xs Max vid, which was more to get his fan base to shut up and keep his money.

You really haven't watched his vids lately, have you? He basically, even though ragging on Nvidia, has said Nvidia has won. He did a negative review video of the AMD Vega, then called out his subscribers and fans for being fanboys just because they didn't like him telling the truth that Vega turned out like crap. There is a lot more nuance there than you think.

And what he has said about Nvidia and Intel on the vids showing their history is pretty spot on. He also called out tech reviewers on things that has helped further the tech press giving us more information, checking with each other, reaching out to people like Roman for help, etc. I do find that to be a positive.

Like these videos:



Or this interesting vid on raytracing and path tracing:


Edit: Yes, he doesn't like Nvidia's business practices, but, to be fair, he also directly states what is seen on performance (at least since I've been watching him, which is about a year, maybe a bit longer).

Edit 2: Also, the reason I called Shrout a shill is I actually called him out on his handicapping and purposely showing misleading charts on the latency of IF, using his own data from reviews in March, April, then the coverage of Intel Mesh in May or June of 2017. He just shrugged and acted like who cares. I have the email exchange.

 

No, I stopped paying attention to his videos a couple of years ago, because I was sick of hearing him constantly blame NVIDIA for AMD's failures. If he has changed then I will give him another chance.

 

He still has a negative slant toward Intel and Nvidia as companies and some of the crap they pull, so I do not want to give the wrong impression, and he still does pull for AMD on the CPU side, so you have to filter that he does that, but on GPUs, he's come around that AMD has nothing at the high end. In the one video of how the GPU market was won, he talks about AMD relying on TSMC node shrinks while Nvidia went with architectural refinements and won. But, he also points out that when AMD did have a better card selling for a lower price, they only got 1/3d of sales (so calling out brand loyalty/bias toward Nvidia, which is different than just saying Nvidia is bad). But he does a good job of showing how AMD lost their lead, followed by Nvidia just dominating them after that point.

Now, there are the anti-competitive, anti-consumer vids he did on Intel and Nvidia which are worth a watch, some of the information presented was born out subsequently. I really wish he would talk his spread out points he makes on AMDs mistakes and do a video like that on AMD, to be honest, because after watching enough of him, he damn well knows really well how and when AMD was its own worst enemy.

So there is still bias, no doubt, but he also had interesting content on MCM, on interposers, and what AMD's plans might be to get the latency down. Those two videos, just for the technical side (those are unlike his other vids completely), are worth watching.




But I don't want to mislead. Even though he changed his tune on Nvidia winning in graphics and AMD having nothing for the high end, he still has his biases, and viewers should do well to remember that.

 

Nice new video from Jay (uploaded yesterday). DICE overclocking.

 

Saw that video last night. Really liking his XOC content, like his live dry ice video. Also loving Vince (kingpin) is helping him and gamers nexus get better at overclocking, which should help their reviews get better. And since the dry ice stuff is getting lots of views for him, I can see this continue in his content.

Wish Buildzoid could get better hardware support from companies because his content and circuit analysis is wonderful. TBH, before coming across his content, I enjoyed a lot of circuit analysis for MBs on Tweaktown of all places, as they listed all the chips used in the power delivery and had great pics of the boards without heat sinks, etc.

Also happy Roman has stated producing more content on YouTube, which is now a mix of XOC, deeper chip analysis (including looking at sanding off the silicon from the die), and giving the scaling data on voltages and the chips. I like he pissed off AMD with the coverage of delidding TR and showing the dummy dies, etc.

Really, it seems like it's been awhile since the tech press had moved forward and been shook up. Been happening for the past year or two and been a positive overall. Along with reviewers talking to each other, finding testing differences, bucking corporations saying give us positive reviews or we'll cut you off, etc. One of those points was GN calling out AMD with the TR embargo and allowing certain reviewers a day or week coverage over everyone else under embargo. This year, we've seen Nvidia with the 2000 series launch called out and Intel, but AMD was what seemed to start the more vocal change from the tech press.

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Agreed. The more popular overclocking becomes, the better it will be for everyone in both the gamer and overclocker niche markets. These two groups, especially the gamers, often fail to realize how important they are to one another. The more people there are interested in, and trying their hand at, overclocking makes it more difficult to pass off castrated trash computers as legitimate options. And, it yanks the rug out from under the stupid argument that overclockers don't matter because they are such a small market segment. The more the merrier for everyone except for the trash peddlers. They should be afraid, because if the overclocking mindset moves closer toward mainstream gamers, they're going to have a helluva time selling that broken crap. More people will know better than to waste their money on broken feces.