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    Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Sa 3650!

    Discussion in 'Fujitsu' started by SCUMM, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. Hoy

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    It's not for sale in the USA AFAIK.

    Your only chance right now is to contact European sellers and see if they'll ship you one.
     
    Hoy, Jan 29, 2009
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    On a swedish site (SweClockers.com) they say that with the new drivers the booster works with the internal display.

    Link

    They say that they have tested them selfs...

    Edit: The thread was based on a review of the Amilo and it was the editor who wrote that they have tested it.

    Regards
    Daniel
     
    KungWaz, Jan 29, 2009
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  3. arrostos

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    Well if is that so, then they should have cross Display cable to do that... and I don't know if that cable exist...
     
    arrostos, Jan 29, 2009
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    Hmmm, translation could be messed up too, is it in the forum part of the link?
     
    TommyB0y, Jan 29, 2009
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    arrostos, Jan 29, 2009
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    I finally found the reference where someone said it worked and its not convincing. They just say it works and its been tested, but no other details.

    I'm surprised the links even open at my work :)

    Why is there no mention of it in any other real articles, or on Fujitsu's or AMD's websites. And I went through the 9.1 release notes and there is nothing related to making cross display work, nothing PowerXpress or Hybrid XfireX related, so I dont see that it was a driver solution that made it work. Maybe they got a new system with different hardware too. Maybe the catalyst 9.1 release notes just left it out. I hope it works, but I'm still skeptical.

    We have people here that own one and can try the new drivers, which are released.
     
    TommyB0y, Jan 29, 2009
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  7. TheSwede86

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    This is a direct link to the post in question:
    http://korturl.se/uwmz

    I can give you a translation:

    I den senaste drivrutinen som tillhandahölls nu i januari fungerar det alldeles utmärkt att använda GraphicBooster-enheten för accelerering på den interna skärmen. Detta har givetvis testats :)

    In the latest driver that was released now in January it´s working great to use the GraphicBooster-unit to accelerate the internal display. This has of course been tested :)

    This was in reply to me asking if they really meant that they could boost the internal display and if they really had tested it and not just read about that it should have worked.

    If you want to ask any specific questions to the author of the test I would be happy to post them on your behalf.

    The easiest way would be for someone here to uninstall the old drivers and install the new and just try it.

    By the way this is not some obscure site, its a well respected swedish overclocking site so I find your criticism uncalled for.
     
    TheSwede86, Jan 29, 2009
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  8. TommyB0y

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    What criticism? OMG go get all sensitive.
     
    TommyB0y, Jan 29, 2009
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  9. TheSwede86

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    Quote above. I am NOT interested in a discussion about this, lets keep it on-topic regarding the computer.

    So can somebody that owns it tells us:

    1) If it works?
    2) How well it works?
    3) Works easily? Just uninstall the old drivers, install the new, configure the program and voila?
    4) Any other comments regarding this
     
    TheSwede86, Jan 30, 2009
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  10. TommyB0y

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    If youre not interested in discussing dont make comments about other people, thats pretty dang rude.

    It was a one sentence answer with no explanation, how can that be convincing. Do you expect me to know every person on a forum which I cant read and the person that made the comment and how great they are. I wouldnt accept that answer from the rocket scientists I work with.

    Im surprised it worked because they block most internet sites at my work, sorry YOU misunderstood the point, more than half the internet it seems, if it has to do with entertainment or email or something, and this forum is one of a few I can actually get to. It has nothing to do with the Swedish site, and was supposed to be a joke since I was looking it all up while at work.

    And it was a forum with the reference, not a published article, maybe YOU dont understand that.

    I dont understand your point. keep your derogative comments to yourself.
     
    TommyB0y, Jan 30, 2009
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  11. TommyB0y

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    Anyone load up the new drivers yet to test cross display???

    Everyones still crossing their fingers :)
     
    TommyB0y, Jan 30, 2009
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  12. patator

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    tested with 9.1 but I've no found the cross display option :(
     
    patator, Feb 2, 2009
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  13. arrostos

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    you can't test it if you don't have the cross Display cable... i think there is with 16 pin cable for that...
     
    arrostos, Feb 2, 2009
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  14. TommyB0y

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    I know there were PCIE2.0 x8 ports and said to be PCIE2.0 x16 ports coming, but I never saw that the cable was different for using cross display on either, but who knows that could be the issue....

    If no one can get it to work as no one has reported, there must be some hardware difference.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 2, 2009
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  15. pistolingo

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    Well maybe...
    I send a mail to the german service center. Maybe I might get some information on this whole thing in a few days.

    greetings
     
    pistolingo, Feb 2, 2009
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  16. TheSwede86

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    Some more information:

    Hej!

    Den drivrutin AMD skickade ut var WHQL-certifierad med versionnummer 8.57 och datumstämpeln 2008-12-09. Nyheten i just denna version var stöd för "Cross Display", vilket innebär att laptopens egna skärm kan användas tillsammans med XGP-enheten. Detta testades i flertalet spel utan några som helst problem.

    Fujitsu Siemens har lustigt nog inte lagt upp den nya versionen på sin hemsida.

    Hälsningar,
    Jonas

    Hello!

    The driver AMD sent out was WHQL-certified with the version number 8.57 and dated 2008-12-09. The news in just this version was support for "Cross Display", which allows the laptops own screen to be used together with the XGP-unit. This was tested in several games without any at all problems.

    Fujitsu-Siemens have oddly enough not put this new version on their website.

    Regards,
    Jonas

    Source (Sweclockers):
    korturl.se/vwhc

    I think that we without a doubt can say that it works to boost the internal display, the only "problem" is to find the 8.57 driver dated 2008-12-09.

    Edit:

    Somebody try these files:

    Vista 32
    link removed due to link below

    Xp 32
    link removed due to link below

    I don't take any responsibility for any potential loss of information or damage to your computer when you try this.

    This thread might be of interest if you try to use these files:
    link removed due to link below

    There are no install file with the packages above, you need to apply some of the thing called skill ;)

    Edit:

    Try this link, this is the file that Sweclockers used instead of the ones above.
    http://www.megaupload.com/se/?d=M21LDFZS
     
    TheSwede86, Feb 4, 2009
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  17. TommyB0y

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    The 9.1 catalyst notes dont mention cross display
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 4, 2009
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  18. TheSwede86

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    Read my post again?

    Not 9.1 but some sort of 8.57 driver that isn't released publicly but leaked on a few sites (see my link)

    This below is the same file that Sweclockers used and got working so anybody who owns it try for themselves at their own risk:

    http://www.megaupload.com/se/?d=M21LDFZS
     
    TheSwede86, Feb 4, 2009
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  19. TommyB0y

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    well if you read the 9.1 catalyst notes it is a combination of 8.573 driver and the CCC. Its just called 9.1 suite.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 5, 2009
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  20. pistolingo

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    Well the support says that at this time it is not possible to use the internal screen but they are testing the technical feasibility. Well I'm not sure that what the support says is really true but I do not think the graphic booster will work with the internal screen.
    It also sounds more like a hardware issue than a soft- or firmware problem but if they are really working on that maybe there will be a successor ;)

    greetings
     
    pistolingo, Feb 5, 2009
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  21. patator

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  22. TheSwede86

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    Nice now we can put this to rest, IT WORKS
     
    TheSwede86, Feb 5, 2009
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  23. arrostos

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    One second guys... why in the CCC it is showing the external display and not internal of laptop display?
    is not a cross Display on it own laptop display how i see... right?
     
    arrostos, Feb 5, 2009
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  24. KungWaz

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    Maybe it can boost both the internal and the extra display that you can connect to the notebook? (there are green arrows)

    // Daniel
     
    KungWaz, Feb 5, 2009
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  25. patator

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    I've tested it and it work ! the graphic booster is use in the laptop screen ;)
     
    patator, Feb 6, 2009
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  26. pistolingo

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    awesome :D thx for the info
    Would have bought the notebook either way but now that I know it works I do not have to be afraid of my old 19" screen saying farewell :D
     
    pistolingo, Feb 6, 2009
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  27. arrostos

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    Well, patator can you make some screen shoots for some games and show us how is working...

    I am going to buy too this one :D
     
    arrostos, Feb 6, 2009
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  28. TommyB0y

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    Glad it works, if no other laptops surface with XGP in the next several months and a xfire HD4870 graphics booster gets into development this may become my desktop gaming replacement.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 6, 2009
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  29. arrostos

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    You will wait until release of XGP 4870 come out to buy this one? In Greece only the notebook sa 3650 cost 1000 Euro, and with graphic booster cost from 1.130-1199 Euro... That's mean, to buy only graphic booster, will cost about 200 Euro for HD3870, for series 4 i don't have any idea how much will be...
     
    arrostos, Feb 6, 2009
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    Well I already have a laptop and a decent enough desktop, so I dont need anything until it really impresses me. If I were to build a new tower I would make it xfire 4870s, so only if I can get that in the XGP would I buy another laptop.

    And more manufacturers might adopt XGP now that Cross Display works and AMD's license for exclusivity runs out soon enough, so Nvidia can take advantage of it and Intel.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 6, 2009
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  31. Sneakers

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    Anyone have any idea when we see a 4870 X2 or just a 4870 along side the sa 3650?
     
    Sneakers, Feb 8, 2009
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  32. arrostos

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    Well, if to think logically, there is no laptop with series 4xxx for now, if they came out, then and XGP will come out too with 4xxx series... it is my logically...

    The question is: Will be there other manufactures that will bring new laptops with that connection port and when...?
     
    arrostos, Feb 8, 2009
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    Yes I surely hope so. But can anyone make it clear if the current PCI 2 8 bit connection on the sa 3650 is enough to handle the data amount from ex. a HD 4870? or this could be the bottle neck.
     
    Sneakers, Feb 8, 2009
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  34. arrostos

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    Well i think it can handle, cause AMD now is trying to make dual XGP, so with PCI 2 connection can handle and HD4xxx series... and don't forget, there is and 16 PCIe lanes cable too...
     
    arrostos, Feb 8, 2009
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  35. TommyB0y

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    THere is a x16 cable, but you also have to have the x16 port on the laptop, and that part is a 52mm wide compared to 32mm, and there usually isnt room on a 13" for a long port.

    PCIE2.0 x8 is the equivalent bandwidth of PCIE1.1 X16. Additionally the xfire between the GPUs would not travel across the x8, as in the XGP box there would be x16 between the GPUs, and then x8 to the laptop, so there should be enough bandwidth in x8 to handle a xfire setup when only possible to run at 1280x800. When using an external display it wouldnt travel back to the laptop anyway. So x8 should be enough to feed the GPU and transfer back the display data to 1280x800.

    Now if you have a 17" 1920x1200 then youre going to need more bandwidth to the laptop and would necessitate the x16 port and cable.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 8, 2009
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  36. Sneakers

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    Sounds good. but do anyone know if they are developing this? would be a shame if not, but AMD are off cause under some sort of pressure caused by their bad economy.
     
    Sneakers, Feb 8, 2009
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  37. TommyB0y

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    I think AMD already developed it, but I'm not sure they will make a Graphics Booster themselves, need a manufacturer to pick it up, but with only one laptop so far, it might be a while unless Fujitsu sells a ton of them.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 8, 2009
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  38. arrostos

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    TI XGP is an external graphics card based on chip ATI M88 (Mobility Radeon HD 3870), connected to a laptop using a special connector is electrically compatible with the bus PCI Express 2.0 x8 or x16. The technology allows the use of two chips M88 to create the external CrossFire-system.
    Source http://news.ferra.ru/hard/2009/02/05/83915/
     
    arrostos, Feb 9, 2009
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  39. TommyB0y

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    Just read AMD's own white paper on it where it shows the difference in the x8 and x16 connector. All that means is that the graphics booster will work on a x8 or a x16 laptop port if you have the right cable or adaptor. That doesnt mean all the laptop ports are capable of x16.
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 9, 2009
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  40. patator

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    Hello
    I' just have tested 3Dmark06 with the graphic booster in crossdisplay mode :)
    The notebook is like at the origin. same OS , Same partition. Only a data restore was runing in the back but don't use lot of CPU. I've the ZM82 mobile turion and 4GO but Vista 32 .
    Drivers are the beta given by another member of the forum .
     

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  41. TommyB0y

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    Nice Score, impressive, imagine if yours had come with the ZM-86 :)
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 10, 2009
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  42. arrostos

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    Would be there any different if run in Vista 64bit?
     
    arrostos, Feb 10, 2009
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    Check this one and make your rate, and tell us about your mind
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-FSC-Amilo-SA3650-Notebook-Amilo-Graphic-Booster.13484.0.html
     
    arrostos, Feb 10, 2009
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    Hello first result for Cinebench R10
    CINEBENCH R10
    ****************************************************

    Tester :

    Processor : AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-82
    MHz :
    Number of CPUs : 2
    Operating System : WINDOWS 32 BIT 6.0.6001

    Graphics Card : ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
    Resolution : <fill this out>
    Color Depth : <fill this out>

    ****************************************************

    Rendering (Single CPU): 1787 CB-CPU
    Rendering (Multiple CPU): 3341 CB-CPU

    Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.87

    Shading (OpenGL Standard) : 2246 CB-GFX


    ****************************************************
     
    patator, Feb 11, 2009
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    and PCMark 05 result
     

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    HD tune score :
     

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    sorry to bother you guys, was wondering whether you guys know where there is a germany online retalier that is willing to ship the amilo sa 3650 to the states? thanks
     
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  48. arrostos

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    Well, there is no big different between ZM-86

    Cinebench R10
    Settings Value
    Shading 3290 Points
    Rendering Multiple CPUs 3840 Points
    Rendering Single 1965 Points
     
    arrostos, Feb 12, 2009
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  50. TommyB0y

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    What do you mean? Do you have benchmarks with ZM86? The numbers you put up are considerable difference. Do we have 3dmark06 scores of a ZM-86 + graphics booster?
     
    TommyB0y, Feb 12, 2009
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