AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

It doesn't matter which number you look at. 900 MHz or 1800 MHz DDR, the result is the same.

 

so this is basically my third consecutive post...last one, 7970M in the HM series, Sager might have hit something: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ates-clevo-hm-model-series-8.html#post8580162

and btw, the 680M is a BEAST! Imagine it with good drivers and in SLI HOLY, I give up haven't god words for this sh**.

 

The GTX 670 score 8600 in 3DMark 11, I'm expecting the 680m to score around 8000.

 

The GTX680M = 85% GTX670

comparing to the desktop :
GTX670 @ 1.1G/1.77G + 3770K
3DMark11 = P10290+

M18X R2 7970Ms Crossfire + 3920XM (in default)
3DMark11 = P11500+

M18X R1 580Ms SLI(OC 890/850/1780) + 2960XM(OC 4.8GHZ)
3DMark11 = P8858


In conclusion , the GTX680M will the 7970M

default single GTX680M = P7400~P7600
default single Radeon 7970M = P5800~P6000

Spoiler

 

hahaha that is so awesome. Earlier I calculated P7400ish for 3DMark11 for the 680M. I did not to be honest think it would be even greater. So sick

 

@mitsuhide, could you do a benchmark running the rumoured 680m clocks? So something like 720 base, and 1800 (900 in GPU-z) memory.

 

wow, this card makes my highly overclocked 7970m look like a joke

 

uuuh good idea widezu that should give us the perfect ballpark

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At least Sager is looking into it...but we already have had independent testing that showed that the 7970m will boot and last less than 5 mins in the HM before the EC shuts it down.

It is encouraging to see that Sager is listening. They don't want to lose tons of sales of this

 

Yeah mitsuhide, please downclock the 670 to test it out if you can. We would appriciate it greatly

EDIT: Now I really need to format my computer like I planned to. This news got me all worked up

 

If I was a conniving SOB (which I'm not) I would invest a few minutes excavating your posts from a few weeks ago @"noooo way the 7970M is as fast as you say, we can't know anything until we've seen detailed benchmarks and reviews from several independent buyers, so put aside your perfectly random numbers".

Double standards, much ?

That being said, congrats to nvidia if the numbers are indeed true. $300 over the 7970M @origin is a steep premium imo, though I know some people will judge it to be more than worth it. Now I hope they can supply it (I assure you, that's not a hidden attempt at trolling ).

 

I just visited Origin to configure a notebook.
http://www.originpc.com/shop/pc/configurePrd.asp?idproduct=650

The 680M is $286 over the 7970M. But the 680M seems to be available right now for purchase? Is that true or is it just preorder?

 

LOL...Botsu, Cloud is an admitted Nvidia fan boy...of course there is a double standard. Still, the initial reports are very encouraging.

with an overclock, the 680m will score high 7K in 3dmark11 but i still have questions regarding the low effective 3.6ghz memory and the +$300 over 7970m is a real bummer. you can almost get xfire 7970m's for the price of one 680m

There are lots of considerations

you probably won't see mass shipments until July.

 

Yes but it is available for buy there right now, until they run out of stock?

I would gladly pay $286 for 680M any day of the week btw. Nvidia will sell TONS of these considering that the 580M was the same price premium over 7970M but was only 5% over its performance.

This GPU will sell like hotcakes

@Botsu: Im exited, the same way as you guys were over the 7970M and I tried to calm you guys down. Sorry

NOW I really need to reformat my computer like planned. 30 minutes of installation and formating and 4 hours of security updates and patching of the microsoft mess. YAY. Bye

 

so it is basically 4 times the power of a gt 640m, shader and bandwidth wise
it should be a bit bandwidth starving, but not that much, the difference between 640m ddr3 and ddr5 is something like 20% by more than doubling the bandwidth.

 

the 680m on orgin pc's website is a 524$ upgrade...so like i said, there are considerations

 

Dude, thats over the 660M...
Considerations for YOU maybe, but not for tons of other people

 

Cloudfire is correct, $524 over the 660m, and $286 over the 7970m.

 

sorry? first of all, that wasn't addressed to you, and second of all, I've already ordered a 680m...I guess you don't know me too well

and what i mean by considerations is that currently the Xfire 7970m upgrade at alienware.com is a $ 467 upgrade over 660m

This means that the single card 680m upgrade at $524 is more expensive.

You get it? There are considerations. I don't see the world in a strictly green color

Yes, i already know that. Geez, you guys have to take a Chill pill

 

would love to put 2 in my x7200 if it will be possible
other wise i need to get a p270
but i cant find it with the 680m as option
even on sites where they got the 680m as a option for p150 p170
its buming me out

 

Ya I'm not going to trust a nice graphic for benchmarks.

The card isn't even announced yet (or has it been?), how can they have tested it, let alone start selling it...

I'm sticking with my 7970m, cuz to me it sounds like Nvidia did a bit of OC'ing here, and I've had bad experiences with "Nvidia/ATI/AMD playing catch up."

Unless there is concrete evidence that its 18% faster (which really isn't worth a $286 upgrade), then I laugh.

 

I just got here. Is 680m out? I see these graphs about 680m kicking some 7970m @ss by 30%. Is this real?

 

Overclocking the 680M lol...Guys hold on, here comes the twisting from AMD people

Yeah its available at Origins right now. The graph shows "UP" to 30% over the 7970M but on average it is 18% faster. Not bad though

 

I wonder at which temp the 680m throttles...

 

maybe 62C this time lol

 

I hope there will be some more gameplay and benchmark videos of the ati 7970m and the gtx680m next year i wanne buy me a nice gaming laptop which should run skyrim with graphics mods and other mods smooth

For now the 680m should be better with 4gb vram for the textures =)

But I dont really know how smooth the cards will run this game

 

Where did you get this 18% average performance increase?
Also when the leaked benches of 680m came out it was 4905. How did they up the performance by so much? Is it a GK104 or GK106 and did Nivida OC the card to it's back breaking limits to compete with 7970m?

 

After following this thread for almost a month I realized the majority of you prefer/recommend Nvidia over AMD. Looks like I have to save some more for the 680m. But god damn it why Nvidia charge so much more !? 4king crook business ppl.

 

Umm I get the opposite impression, NBR overwhelmingly recommend AMD over Nvidia.

 

Assuming linear scaling of GPU score with core clock, this freak of nature should get ~7000 GPU at the 3dMark11 Performance setting.

Is anyone expecting the 7970m-680m performance delta to narrow considerably at higher resolutions and AA levels? I am considering delaying my laptop order, but that memory bandwidth could be a liability.

 

No, that's actually not true. It just appears like this because about 15% of all posts here are written by Cloudfire

And there's no reason to get the Nvidia card just because some people say so. Get whatever you prefer. Both cards are very impressive, and I'm really curious about some real 680m benchmarks. According to Nvidia it performs 80% better in 3dM11 (P) than the 580m.
What does a 580m get (GPU) at stock clocks?

 

Stock clocks, a 580m gets about 3500 3dmark11's

So 3500 X 1.8 = 6300

The real question then is how good the memory is and how far can we bump up the clocks to really show the 680m's power

As it stands now, an OC'ed 7970m can easily match and beat those numbers, my only question then is how high will the 680m go. The 3.6ghz effective mem could be a real bummer if it doesn't overclock well.

From what we have seen, the stock 1200mhz vram on the 7970m really hampers performance. it really should be at 1400mhz...the same will probably be said about the 680m. We will see

 

until we actually see a card..everything is just speculations...as always....guess we shall find out soon enough though.

and like so many thought the 6990m was better and at the end of the day it wasn't. the only thing left was the price. and when nvidia dropped the price to with in 50 dollars. amd took a beat down there as well....(although a few fps loss is not really a beat down though. )

bunch of heated debates going on and not one person owns stock in either company...unless a video card is considered stock now a days....

still, a very funny read though.

 

can some experts help me here:
as from my previous posts, i'm really worried about the bandwidth on this card. If the 680m can't overclock well, the card is useless to me

the stock 7970m has 153.6 GB/s
the stock 680m is purported to have 3.6ghz effective or 115.2 GB/s

how can there be such a huge disparity? How will that hamper the performance? how can the 680m have such great performance when the bandwidth is the same as the 580m?

The desktop gtx 670 has 192.2 GB/s stock

 

slick...you have like 1 day left to wait...just wait it out my friend...

 

Well, the bandwidth is only one of the limiting factors. Sure the bandwidth for memory is the same but the pixel pushing power from the core is increased dramatically and therefore the resulting performance increase. Maybe the initial reports of the clock speeds are wrong, not likely but maybe. I was hoping for 1200Mhz at least.

 

yeah, i guess i'll just wait lol...just seems weird cause it doesn't add up in my head

 

Agreed, get what you want. Both have their benefits, but for me, price is going to dictate most on what I order tonight/tomorrow. 7970M likely, I can wait a few weeks for it.

 

would love to see what your card is going to do...but i sort of already have an idea what the end result will be.... just waiting till they announce...
have owned both cards more than once and ran both on stock cooling...

 

Pretty damn ridiculous. OriginPC are charging $286 for an upgrade from 7970m to 680m. (476/190=2.5) That's x2 and a half the price of a single 7970m. Oh so Nvidia think one 680m can out run an 7970m in crossfire eh. ORIGIN PC | High-Performance Custom Gaming PCs and Professional Workstations
Just for your info fellow readers $286 is £187 at the time of currency on 4th June 2012: 1 USD = 0.650241 GBP.

Even if Nvidia have sexy tight @ss reliability/drivers/game advantages it does not make me feel like buying from them for that price. I mean come on the ridiculous price they are charging is like AMD are a bunch of schmucks who don't know sh!t about anything. That is insult from Nvidia. I really hope your 680m don't fry themselves up after a month of usage from all the back breaking OCing you've been doing to compete with 7970m.

 

Um.... wat?

I think you've got your numbers wrong here. The $190 price that you are using is to upgrade from a 660M to the 7970M. The price of a 7970M is not $190.

lol

 

From 670m to 7970m is $190. I did that on purpose as that is the standard by Sager. OriginPC are the only ppl to start from 660m. Weird.

Anyway you get the idea. 680m are charging $286 more if upgrade from 7970m. That is too much.

 

It's not unexpected, they've been doing this for years and people still pay for it. I did.

 

I'm buying the 680m in my m17x when its comes available but dang I'm hagging out of it anyways

Sent From My Rooted EVO 3D

 

and yes, Cloud, you won now time to order, your long wait is over (don't b.s. me on "oh no, it is too heavy, I want mobi..." whatever! get 680m lappy asap! I will buy mine as soon as dell starts selling it )

 

No one has been OCing yet, it's just announced. It's also a new core, Kepler, this isn't a rebadge. I think this will be worth it to someone who REALLY REALLY wants CUDA.

 

I just seen most wanted 2 and the physics look graet for an arcade game at e3. If they can make a pc or ps3 or xbox 360 demo I will be happy lol.

They had the firestarter song by prodigy on it lol.

 

Yeah just heard it too, it's seems alright, kinda reminds me of the older Burnout series when smashing another car you get a flashback onto it.. oh well

Crysis 3 doesn't seem bad either, I would imagine the 7970M and 680M handling it quite well as they said a slightly graphical update will come

 

^^ yeah all these jumps in performance point out to one thing, we will see a huge increase in power demand of game engines, I wouldn't be surprised if games like crysis 3, metro last light, would crush the previous generation gpus...

 

who really needs CUDA but does not need OpenCL and double precision FP specifically. Adobe Creative Suite 6, AVID DS, and soon to be 3dsmax, blender, MASSIVE, autocad and others have/are stopping with CUDA and going OpenCL.

nvidia really split the lines now. gforce ( kepler core ) is purely gaming and they are forcing tessla and quadros for heavy lifting.

i dont have a 680m but a gtx680 desktop card, it does adobe renders ( mercury engine 6 ), slightly slower than a 580 and 35-40% as fast as a 7970. so outside of gaming we need to be more careful on app/hardware combos