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    AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by x32993x, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. Zalgradis

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    Cloudfire doesn't seem to be that clueless :p

    So glad i waited.
     
    Zalgradis, Jun 4, 2012
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  2. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    ^^ he never seem to be one :) the thing is rumoring is a dangerous thing, and we all love hardware business (that's why we have top of the line lappies and we follow upto the news of these new beasts), so we are all a little too ambitious when talking about rumors :)

    btw good one waiting it out! now wait one more month and get 680m :) I think I will wait until widezu puts it on his computer, then I will go ahead and buy it :) (but if the price from dell is 1k, then I am waiting until new gen, it is almost the price of a lappy :D)
     
    maxheap, Jun 4, 2012
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  3. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Lets just hope clevo and dell don't decide to put 1ghz samsung memory modules on there.

    Best case scenario is power is the limiting factor and you get hynix T2C chips on there.

    I'd like to see what it can do too.



    Great, a leap forward at 1280x720.

    Now what's the jump in X score as that is what matters here.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  4. jaug1337

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    The most insane part is that OpenGL and PhysX can still be adjusted to go to the level of insanity where no GPU (publicly available) is possible to even near the 60 FPS.

    The CRYTEK have several times confirmed and stated that the CryEngine has mods that have proofed themselves going to the edge of GPU power and destroying FPS.. We ain't even taking full advantage of these engines.. that really blasts me away sometimes!

    Not to forget the 4A Engine that is used in Metro 2033 (and Metro 2034/Last Night) which is using: PhysX, the engine uses many features such as destructible environments, and cloth and water simulations, and particles that can be fully affected by environmental factors.[5] The audio in the engine features 3D sound positioning, spatialisation and attenuation.

    I just can't imagine how games are going to look in 4 years or so.. we will probably get near the point of perfection where the visuals in games will look better than reality (as if Crysis doesn't already do that :p)

    P.S. Sorry for derailing the thread :( I will stop now
     
    jaug1337, Jun 4, 2012
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  5. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    You also have to worry if the GPU is ocing itself during those tests it may not have anything else to give and it could just slap into its programmed TDP wall and not go anywhere.....
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  6. nissangtr786

    nissangtr786 Notebook Deity

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    Meaker just wait for maxwell they will be bigging that up. I hope they deliver there future roadmap claims.
     
    nissangtr786, Jun 4, 2012
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  7. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    That picture is no better than any optical illusion. The vertical scale starts from 40% as opposed to 0, as it should be..
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  8. BlackStar2012

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    It doesn't have to start at 0 to be acceptable really. It's aim is to show performance relative to last years card which is at 100 or 1 and the others are relative to it. Tbh only way you'd get 0 is if something was running at like 1 fps
     
    BlackStar2012, Jun 4, 2012
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  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    80% is a leap, I just want to know what that leap is at 1080p rather than 720p.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  10. Zero989

    Zero989 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Outstanding achievement by nVIDIA.

    --** Shoutout to CloudFire for the correct prediction on CUDA core count (1344)!
     
    Zero989, Jun 4, 2012
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  11. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Thanks graz, Zalgradis and Zero. :)

    I was probably the only one in this forum who was able to come to the conclusion that a downclocked 670 should be easy piecy considering the previous generation. I was met with "Nothing can beat 7970M, pitcairn is too efficient" "You are an idiot, P4900 is the right score because all the big sites have that 3DMark11 score listed as 680M real score"
    Nobody listened to me that it was an old outdated benchmark from a GK106 GPU which never saw the light of day because of 7970M. :)

    But anyways, Origin have the 680M available from June 25th, plus Notebookcheck is supposed to get a sample for their review already this week. So benchmarks should be here anytime soon and we will see if the graphs from Nvidia holds any truth or if it is pure marketing. :)

    Atleast it looks promising although this forum is flooded by AMD fanboys trying to find excuses (I was expecting it): "Overclocked 7970M will match 680M (that one made me laugh), the graphs from Nvidia is decieving, they overclocked the 680M, nobody wants their expensive GPU, nobody needs the extra performance over 7970M"

    bla bla bla bla. Sometimes I get tired from reading all of these posts where people just need to justify THEIR own purchase. If 680M is better than 7970M, DEAL with it instead of trying to make excuses. If 680M was at the 7970M performance, then fine, it is what it is. Both cards will sell like crazy. Both camps should be happy about their cards since they are both an insane update over previous generation GPUs
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  12. jaybee83

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    jaybee83, Jun 4, 2012
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  13. Zero989

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    I don't understand the scores either, they don't seem correct... I'm still ditching my 7970M CF setup since they're 1344 cards. I'm not dealing with AMD's drivers anymore.
     
    Zero989, Jun 4, 2012
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  14. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Why are they refering to Nvidia.com when you look at the benchmarks?

    Those scores doesn`t add up with the Performance score Nvidia got
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  15. jaybee83

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    nvidia.com? where did u get that?
     
    jaybee83, Jun 4, 2012
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  16. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    So when is this event where nVidia was supposedly going to reveal the 680M ? Today, at what time? And how can we get the inside scoop on it ??
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  17. Cloudfire

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    ZOMG. Anandtech in their recent article about Origin and 680M

    Click on the 3DMark11 where you see the score. See the piece of paper with the arrow. That refers to Nvidia.com
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  18. Meaker@Sager

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    Nvidia eh? Because they are not biased in this at all :p

    900Mhz ram clock does not suggest it was easy at all.

    The point is, all we have are manufacturer benchmarks, so the verdict is still out on how well it clocks.

    Also I hope you don't include me in the saying it could not be a down clocked 670....
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  19. Torment78

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    these cards says 2gb mem
     
    Torment78, Jun 4, 2012
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  20. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    oh boy, what have i done? *ducks away from the incoming flaming war* :D
     
    jaybee83, Jun 4, 2012
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  21. Meaker@Sager

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    We don't know detail levels, resolution or AA/AF settings.

    The jury is still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out on this one.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  22. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    They already have benchmarked it inside the Alienware too but they will wait til tomorrow...ARGH

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  23. jaybee83

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    its gonna be a rough night for cloudfire :D
     
    jaybee83, Jun 4, 2012
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  24. Zero989

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    I assume that's a M17x r4 + 680M? It says InsydeH2O Bios.

    Sigh...

    Now I have to return my 680SLI desktop... 680M 1344 4GB VRAM SLI *drools*
     
    Zero989, Jun 4, 2012
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  25. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Yup I think so. :)

    Yeah jaybee, I want to see it NOW :p
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  26. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    So when do you guys expect the 680M to be available through Dell/Alienware?
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  27. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I have no idea, probably July. Shouldn`t Alienware and Origin/Clevo offer the GPUs around the same time? Origin is shipping them from June 25th

    BTW, I`m spamming F5 at Anandtech right now :p

    True, lets wait and see :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  28. evoandroidevo

    evoandroidevo Notebook Evangelist

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    Hahahaha well let us know when its up if it gets up today

    Sent From My Rooted EVO 3D
     
    evoandroidevo, Jun 4, 2012
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  29. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Does it really matter?

    GTX 670 is on par with the 7970. Look at the memory bandwidth...

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Will do :p
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  30. Meaker@Sager

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    Bandwidth past a point does not help.

    7870 is not past that point at 1.2ghz. The 670 is at 1.5ghz.

    You comparison is like saying 512mb of video ram is fine since the jump from 1gb to 2gb is so small.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  31. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Well the 680M isn`t suppose to compete against 7970 is it? :p
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  32. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    What are you talking about?
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  33. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I have no idea. Too buisy pressing the F5
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  34. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    And you're probably gonna need a new keyboard soon! Oh, if only they supplied just the F5 button... :p
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  35. Johnksss

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    i think he means a desktop 7970..but then that's a speculation...
     
    Johnksss, Jun 4, 2012
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  36. Torment78

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    he was sarcastic
     
    Torment78, Jun 4, 2012
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  37. Johnksss

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    oh, my bad.. because i was thinking...
    Originally Posted by Meaker
    Bandwidth past a point does not help.

    7870 is not past that point at 1.2ghz. The 670 is at 1.5ghz.

    You comparison is like saying 512mb of video ram is fine since the jump from 1gb to 2gb is so small.



    Well the 680M isn`t suppose to compete against 7970 is it?
    i was thinking that when he stated 680M isn`t suppose to compete against 7970 ....i was thinking that was a direct comparison to a desktop card like the desktop cards above. i have yet to see a 670m card do 1.5 ghz or even close...
     
    Johnksss, Jun 4, 2012
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  38. vuman619

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    I'm very glued to this thread as I am anxiously waiting for a reply from my Clevo reseller to see if i can change my order to a GTX 680m, i have been watching this thread for a long time and was always suspicious of the original p4900 score that was posted. Go Nvidia/Cloudfire :p
     
    vuman619, Jun 4, 2012
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  39. Meaker@Sager

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    Changing orders due to manufacturer benchmarks is.... well.... naive.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 4, 2012
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  40. Torment78

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    if im not wrong he ment that when talking about the bandwith if it hade more it would be competing against the big boys :)
     
    Torment78, Jun 4, 2012
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  41. Cloudfire

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    Well here is your answer

    GTX 680M is available for single card and SLI already before the end of this month... :cool:

    Alienware Getting Latest NVIDIA Kepler Cards to Continue Delivering Maximum Performance for Gamers - Direct2Dell - Direct2Dell - Dell Community
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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  42. ObserverJLin

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    ObserverJLin, Jun 4, 2012
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  43. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    Wow. Nice... too bad 16th June is my deadline on receiving a new laptop. Else, I might just have waited. :)
     
    Prasad, Jun 4, 2012
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  44. HaloGod2012

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    and it looks like its 2GB not the 4 we thought
     
    HaloGod2012, Jun 4, 2012
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  45. Cloudfire

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    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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    well, here are the official benches of the 680m...7970m owners, no need to dump your cards

    The only question i have is how high the 680m will overclock...i hope that 900mhz vram doesn't hold it back. From those numbers, is this card worth another $300 over 7970m?

    my OC'ed 7970m scores better or even in Witcher 2, diablo3, bf3 and skyrim

    EDIT: Cloud beat me to it

    [​IMG]
     
    SlickDude80, Jun 4, 2012
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  47. Tyranids

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    Dang 60FPS in Skyrim and ~100 in STALKER look nice. We never got Stalker numbers (or did we?) but isn't Skyrim about the same?
     
    Tyranids, Jun 4, 2012
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    II think this just goes to show that 7970M is a huge value for what it is.
     
    Frost451, Jun 4, 2012
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  49. aduy

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    it has nearly double the cuda cores of the 680m leak that we had heard about. this is the way it should be, and im sure the price will come down, i remember the 580m was way more expensive at first but then it dropped afterwards.
     
    aduy, Jun 4, 2012
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  50. Cloudfire

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    Comparing with the 7970M review. Not all games could be compared but based on the sample pic and compared against the notebookcheck review:
    http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Alienware-M17x-R4-Notebook.74805.0.html
    and
    http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5914/nvidia-gtx-680m-performance-new_575px.png

    Battlefield 3:
    7970M 34.7FPS
    680M 47.4FPS
    680M is 36.7% faster

    Dirt 3:
    7970M 64.1FPS
    680M 69.5FPS
    680M is 8.4% faster

    Skyrim:
    7970M 55.6FPS
    680M 59.4
    680M is 6.8% faster

    Diablo 3
    7970M 100.8FPS
    680M 90.1FPS
    680M is 10.7% slower

    F1
    7970M 65FPS
    680M 67FPS
    680M is 3% faster

    Metro 2033
    7970M 26.9FPS
    680M 39.5FPS
    680M is 46.8% faster

    GTX 680M is 15.2% faster than 7970M.
    Take a good look at Metro 2033 and Battlefield. Major p3wnage :D
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 4, 2012
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